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Jun 16, 2023 9:22 AM

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Macaroon17 said:
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Fun Fact:  Hajime Isayama originally wanted to make romcom named Love and Titans, but his editor didn't think it would sell and made him change it completely to Attack on Titan.
really, was there any source to that information? Now i am curious
Lmao no. I just took the joke and ran with it.
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BananaGod34 said:
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really, was there any source to that information? Now i am curious
Lmao no. I just took the joke and ran with it.
i guess i just took the joke too seriously lol
Jun 16, 2023 9:42 AM

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Seinen protagonist: *unrealistically manages to survive in the worst conditions and keeps standing even after taking 1000s of hits*
People: This right here is true writing. Brought a tear to my eye.

Shounen protagonist: *literally does the same thing*
People: What a garbage writing. Full of plot armour. Delete this show out of existence.
Ouch, given some recent anime discussions on MAL, it's 100% accurate for some Vinland Saga fans thrashing Naruto for presumably "naive and childish plot with talk no jutsu", but at the same time keeping a blind eye on similar elements happening in their favorite show, even when said elements have worse execution than in Naruto. Why? From what I noticed, they do it because its genre is seinen, so it's by default - in their eyes, at least - better than shounens. Sounds wacky, given how demographics of target audience of both genres differ from each other, but that's something you can experience seeing quite frequently.
I'm just curious, but when does Vinland Saga have ''talk no jutsu'' and even worse than in Naruto?
Jun 16, 2023 9:54 AM

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Is that actually a thing? I don't recall seeing anyone individually or the community at large decide some event sucked in a shounen while praising the exact same thing in a seinen
I, on the other hand, over the years have noticed something like this happening quite frequently. The funniest thing is how the group of seinen fans following such pattern is not even aware of it. They praise the dumbest stuff happening in their seinen, because "muh mature story", but exactly the same things happening in shounens are fiercely criticized.

The fact that presumably adults, mature men (so seinen main demographic) are wasting their energy on passionately thrashing elements belonging to shows dedicated mostly to the younger audience (no matter if we are talking about shounen or shoujo anime), is another thing. It's like ranting about how SpongeBob doesn't represent the depth and worldbuilding similar to Battlestar Galactica, lmao.


Do you have a specific example, by chance? I could totally see that being a thing for some people in the community, but I just don't recall ever seeing it before
RobertBobert said:
KittenCuddler said:


Is that actually a thing? I don't recall seeing anyone individually or the community at large decide some event sucked in a shounen while praising the exact same thing in a seinen
A bunch of times. Just look at the fact that many seinen are just shonen with higher rates and age ratings. Not to mention, you literally saw the example above, but for haters, selective attention seems to be the norm.

If a seinen has higher ratings than a shounen, then couldn't it be because the seinen is a better show than the shounen, rather than it being from a double-standard? And what's with calling me a hater? I don't know what I've ever said that could make me seem like a "hater." I even have a couple of shounen in my favorites list!
Jun 16, 2023 9:57 AM
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Zettaiken said:
[Not sure if it counts] Not that much the only thing I can remember is when people outraged and flamed on Goblin Slayer before of first episode controversy saying how bad it is to even show something like that... and alot of the same people who were so negative towards GS and made some harm into this title, has watched Redo of Healer and had nothing wrong with it.

Those people should have apologise to GS.
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I mean sure, many people hated goblin slayer, and liked Redo of Healer, but you still didn't explain how the two groups overlap.


I've just said how it felt like, I've never went into everysingle youtube channel or disqus profiles to verify if they trashed on Goblin Slayer when it aired and said positive stuff on Redo of Healer when it aired [I don't go into series discussion on any site btw] + I wouldn't even do that cause it would take too much time and I am not interested in veryfing by checking each profile one by one to proof you if I am right or wrong.
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Jun 16, 2023 10:00 AM

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KittenCuddler said:
Adnash said:
I, on the other hand, over the years have noticed something like this happening quite frequently. The funniest thing is how the group of seinen fans following such pattern is not even aware of it. They praise the dumbest stuff happening in their seinen, because "muh mature story", but exactly the same things happening in shounens are fiercely criticized.

The fact that presumably adults, mature men (so seinen main demographic) are wasting their energy on passionately thrashing elements belonging to shows dedicated mostly to the younger audience (no matter if we are talking about shounen or shoujo anime), is another thing. It's like ranting about how SpongeBob doesn't represent the depth and worldbuilding similar to Battlestar Galactica, lmao.


Do you have a specific example, by chance? I could totally see that being a thing for some people in the community, but I just don't recall ever seeing it before
RobertBobert said:
A bunch of times. Just look at the fact that many seinen are just shonen with higher rates and age ratings. Not to mention, you literally saw the example above, but for haters, selective attention seems to be the norm.

If a seinen has higher ratings than a shounen, then couldn't it be because the seinen is a better show than the shounen, rather than it being from a double-standard? And what's with calling me a hater? I don't know what I've ever said that could make me seem like a "hater." I even have a couple of shounen in my favorites list!
That's what makes it funny, which I've repeatedly pointed out. You literally hate and slander shonens, but still call a few your favorites. You are literally the anime equivalent of people who say "I'm not racist, I have black friends, but...". And even if we forget that ratings do not necessarily mean a better show, not to mention the hypocrisy of such assumptions on your part, since you accused shonen anime of overrating earlier, I obviously meant more harsh use of shonen tropes, and not any ratings. You don't read what I write again, do you? I've always found it funny how a lot of the members of seinen vs shonen shit don't really realize that a lot of the popular seinen are just shonen with a big age rating. So the dude's example was painfully relevant.
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WASNT GOBLIN SLAYERS CONTROVERSY THAT IT DIDNT HAVE A VIEWER DISCVRETION IS ADBVISED THING ON THE FIRST EP

Content warning is literally just a spoiler.
Jun 16, 2023 12:23 PM

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BananaGod34 said:
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How about what happens behind the scenes of an anime, that is, directors and voice actors? I couldn't help but see doubles standards concerning some of them too.
What do you mean? (I need to pass the character count)
Okay, well for instance- Thanks for response btw and I hope no hard feelings - earlier I couldn't help but feel annoyed by people lashing at Colleen Clinkenbeard for sounding the same while praising Bryce Papenbrook as "the best voice actor" or someone giving "fangirl energy" in spite of sounding far too familiar as well as too hard to listen among his character roles.  
Jun 16, 2023 1:05 PM
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Kaasfondue said:
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Ouch, given some recent anime discussions on MAL, it's 100% accurate for some Vinland Saga fans thrashing Naruto for presumably "naive and childish plot with talk no jutsu", but at the same time keeping a blind eye on similar elements happening in their favorite show, even when said elements have worse execution than in Naruto. Why? From what I noticed, they do it because its genre is seinen, so it's by default - in their eyes, at least - better than shounens. Sounds wacky, given how demographics of target audience of both genres differ from each other, but that's something you can experience seeing quite frequently.
I'm just curious, but when does Vinland Saga have ''talk no jutsu'' and even worse than in Naruto?
It happens in the latest episode, Thorfinn changes Canute’s mind and modus operandi within a 10 minute conversation. I like Vinland Saga but that was a pretty anticlimactic and ham fisted way to resolve that conflict.
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Arioch- said:
Kaasfondue said:
I'm just curious, but when does Vinland Saga have ''talk no jutsu'' and even worse than in Naruto?
It happens in the latest episode, Thorfinn changes Canute’s mind and modus operandi within a 10 minute conversation. I like Vinland Saga but that was a pretty anticlimactic and ham fisted way to resolve that conflict.
This was back in the first season with the infamous "Viking Ninja" phase, when Torfin, as a 15-year-old boy, defeated hundreds of enemies with knives. And yes, Thorfinn in general is a typical shonen protagonist.
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RobertBobert said:
Arioch- said:
It happens in the latest episode, Thorfinn changes Canute’s mind and modus operandi within a 10 minute conversation. I like Vinland Saga but that was a pretty anticlimactic and ham fisted way to resolve that conflict.
This was back in the first season with the infamous "Viking Ninja" phase, when Torfin, as a 15-year-old boy, defeated hundreds of enemies with knives. And yes, Thorfinn in general is a typical shonen protagonist.
I’m not sure why you replied to me because none of what you said has anything to do with my post.
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Arioch- said:
RobertBobert said:
This was back in the first season with the infamous "Viking Ninja" phase, when Torfin, as a 15-year-old boy, defeated hundreds of enemies with knives. And yes, Thorfinn in general is a typical shonen protagonist.
I’m not sure why you replied to me because none of what you said has anything to do with my post.
Is it? I literally said that even the first season of the show had noticeable shonen tropes.
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RobertBobert said:
Arioch- said:
It happens in the latest episode, Thorfinn changes Canute’s mind and modus operandi within a 10 minute conversation. I like Vinland Saga but that was a pretty anticlimactic and ham fisted way to resolve that conflict.
This was back in the first season with the infamous "Viking Ninja" phase, when Torfin, as a 15-year-old boy, defeated hundreds of enemies with knives. And yes, Thorfinn in general is a typical shonen protagonist.
Thorfinn was easily the worst part of the entire Vinland Saga season 1 >< It was really entertaining Askellad kicking his ass.
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RobertBobert said:
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Do you have a specific example, by chance? I could totally see that being a thing for some people in the community, but I just don't recall ever seeing it before
If a seinen has higher ratings than a shounen, then couldn't it be because the seinen is a better show than the shounen, rather than it being from a double-standard? And what's with calling me a hater? I don't know what I've ever said that could make me seem like a "hater." I even have a couple of shounen in my favorites list!
That's what makes it funny, which I've repeatedly pointed out. You literally hate and slander shonens, but still call a few your favorites. You are literally the anime equivalent of people who say "I'm not racist, I have black friends, but...". And even if we forget that ratings do not necessarily mean a better show, not to mention the hypocrisy of such assumptions on your part, since you accused shonen anime of overrating earlier, I obviously meant more harsh use of shonen tropes, and not any ratings. You don't read what I write again, do you? I've always found it funny how a lot of the members of seinen vs shonen shit don't really realize that a lot of the popular seinen are just shonen with a big age rating. So the dude's example was painfully relevant.


But I don't "literally hate or slander" shounens. I don't know what has led you to believe that. I can't seem to recall ever punking on shounen specifically - are you sure you don't have me mistaken for someone else? I was just curious if Adnash had a concrete example of shounen getting attacked for what seinen don't. I was asking questions, not making accusations, hating, or slandering.
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RobertBobert said:
Arioch- said:
I’m not sure why you replied to me because none of what you said has anything to do with my post.
Is it? I literally said that even the first season of the show had noticeable shonen tropes.
I never denied that it had Shonen tropes so I’m a little confused as to why you replied to me, are you just reiterating my point? I was just talking about the “Talk no Jutsu” aspect, not the similarities between Vinland Saga and other Shonen.
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Arioch- said:
RobertBobert said:
Is it? I literally said that even the first season of the show had noticeable shonen tropes.
I never denied that it had Shonen tropes so I’m a little confused as to why you replied to me, are you just reiterating my point?
You referred to shonen tropes in the second season, I wrote that it was even in the first. This is so strange?

KittenCuddler said:
RobertBobert said:
That's what makes it funny, which I've repeatedly pointed out. You literally hate and slander shonens, but still call a few your favorites. You are literally the anime equivalent of people who say "I'm not racist, I have black friends, but...". And even if we forget that ratings do not necessarily mean a better show, not to mention the hypocrisy of such assumptions on your part, since you accused shonen anime of overrating earlier, I obviously meant more harsh use of shonen tropes, and not any ratings. You don't read what I write again, do you? I've always found it funny how a lot of the members of seinen vs shonen shit don't really realize that a lot of the popular seinen are just shonen with a big age rating. So the dude's example was painfully relevant.


But I don't "literally hate or slander" shounens. I don't know what has led you to believe that. I can't seem to recall ever punking on shounen specifically - are you sure you don't have me mistaken for someone else? I was just curious if Adnash had a concrete example of shounen getting attacked for what seinen don't. I was asking questions, not making accusations, hating, or slandering.
I mean, it wasn't you who started the "it's personal" fight with me in the shonen hate thread, currying favor with anyone who criticized the genre in even the most stupid way and claiming that battle shonens is a boring and repetitive genre because it has classic tropes. ?
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RobertBobert said:
Arioch- said:
I never denied that it had Shonen tropes so I’m a little confused as to why you replied to me, are you just reiterating my point?
You referred to shonen tropes in the second season, I wrote that it was even in the first. This is so strange?

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But I don't "literally hate or slander" shounens. I don't know what has led you to believe that. I can't seem to recall ever punking on shounen specifically - are you sure you don't have me mistaken for someone else? I was just curious if Adnash had a concrete example of shounen getting attacked for what seinen don't. I was asking questions, not making accusations, hating, or slandering.
I mean, it wasn't you who started the "it's personal" fight with me in the shonen hate thread, currying favor with anyone who criticized the genre in even the most stupid way and claiming that battle shonens is a boring and repetitive genre because it has classic tropes. ?
I was exclusively referring to the “Talk no Jutsu” aspect, not Shonen tropes in general. I can’t think of any “Talk no Jutsu” examples in the first season, yet alone of ones that are as ridiculous as the latest episode.
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Well, it was originally mentioned in the context of shonen tropes in seinen.
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You referred to shonen tropes in the second season, I wrote that it was even in the first. This is so strange?

I mean, it wasn't you who started the "it's personal" fight with me in the shonen hate thread, currying favor with anyone who criticized the genre in even the most stupid way and claiming that battle shonens is a boring and repetitive genre because it has classic tropes. ?
I was exclusively referring to the “Talk no Jutsu” aspect, not Shonen tropes in general. I can’t think of any “Talk no Jutsu” examples in the first season, yet alone of ones that are as ridiculous as the latest episode.
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ibanezpunkotaku said:
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What do you mean? (I need to pass the character count)
Okay, well for instance- Thanks for response btw and I hope no hard feelings - earlier I couldn't help but feel annoyed by people lashing at Colleen Clinkenbeard for sounding the same while praising Bryce Papenbrook as "the best voice actor" or someone giving "fangirl energy" in spite of sounding far too familiar as well as too hard to listen among his character roles.  
Ahh I see what you mean. I feel like people will always have a bone to pick with them just because of how prevalent they are in anime dubbing, especially in the early 2000's.  Not from a popularity stand point, but just you hear them in everything. I swear, I feel like Bryce Papenbrook dubs every shounen MC except for Edward lol. It's got to be tough to distinguish one role from another in works so similar to each other in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't help that there were maybe five people who dubbed everything in the early 2000's (or at least that's what it felt like).
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Male characters always get flack for being flawed.

Meanwhile female characters always get flack for not being more appealing to the eyes and not pandering to the MC. (Pander more to the MC please, I need to self-insert real quick and have some wild fantasies in my head over what I'd do if I were MC.)

I'll take all the girls and boys you don't need in my harem in my dream.
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Kaasfondue said:
I'm just curious, but when does Vinland Saga have ''talk no jutsu'' and even worse than in Naruto?

Oh, I referred to two scenes from each show that are usually memed when you seem people talking about them in a witty way (yes, fans also participate in those convos). If it's better or worse, depends on the person taking about it, really. I only judged it with having the weight of each "talk no jutsu moment" in mind. As seinen genre offers more mature experience, then when I have two similar looking scenes (or rather: following certain themes), I treat seinen side - as the one meant to be more complex and mature in theory - in a little more critical way. That's all.

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[Do you have a specific example, by chance? I could totally see that being a thing for some people in the community, but I just don't recall ever seeing it before
You mean, an example of such stuff? I can come with mentioning a plenty of them. I will write them below, of course, but to be frank, I'm too lazy to search for specific posts to back them up. Especially when they are of really low quality.

Here are those examples (spoiler tagged, because of minor spoilers regarding Berserk, Kimetsu no Yaiba, Vinland Saga, Naruto, Monster):


Don't get me wrong, you can see the reversed situation as well, with shounen fans tryharding with finding every argument to make their shounen series look as if it was Nobel prize worth. While that show might not be that deep, and usually isn't, but rather just be entertaining to watch. It's not bad to judge the way different genres deal with certain tropes or themes. However, it's kinda weird when somebody is being overly harsh to a show dedicated to teenagers not having elements typical for Ancient philosophy; or is trying to give way deeper meaning to simple things happening in shows dedicated to more mature audience, because of following "seinen = superior by default" mindset.

Still, both sides have one thing in common: double standards in perceiving anime. Buzzphrases like "you don't get it, troll" appearing each time somebody shares a different perspective cement how true this statement is.
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Adnash said:
Kaasfondue said:
I'm just curious, but when does Vinland Saga have ''talk no jutsu'' and even worse than in Naruto?

Oh, I referred to two scenes from each show that are usually memed when you seem people talking about them in a witty way (yes, fans also participate in those convos). If it's better or worse, depends on the person taking about it, really. I only judged it with having the weight of each "talk no jutsu moment" in mind. As seinen genre offers more mature experience, then when I have two similar looking scenes (or rather: following certain themes), I treat seinen side - as the one meant to be more complex and mature in theory - in a little more critical way. That's all.

KittenCuddler said:
[Do you have a specific example, by chance? I could totally see that being a thing for some people in the community, but I just don't recall ever seeing it before
You mean, an example of such stuff? I can come with mentioning a plenty of them. I will write them below, of course, but to be frank, I'm too lazy to search for specific posts to back them up. Especially when they are of really low quality.

Here are those examples (spoiler tagged, because of minor spoilers regarding Berserk, Kimetsu no Yaiba, Vinland Saga, Naruto, Monster):


Don't get me wrong, you can see the reversed situation as well, with shounen fans tryharding with finding every argument to make their shounen series look as if it was Nobel prize worth. While that show might not be that deep, and usually isn't, but rather just be entertaining to watch. It's not bad to judge the way different genres deal with certain tropes or themes. However, it's kinda weird when somebody is being overly harsh to a show dedicated to teenagers not having elements typical for Ancient philosophy; or is trying to give way deeper meaning to simple things happening in shows dedicated to more mature audience, because of following "seinen = superior by default" mindset.

Still, both sides have one thing in common: double standards in perceiving anime. Buzzphrases like "you don't get it, troll" appearing each time somebody shares a different perspective cement how true this statement is.
Much of this is because people develop dislikes beforehand and then retroactively try to justify it with artificial rationalizations. Which obviously doesn't work. For example, when Vinland Saga has a long development with various arcs and changes in plot direction, it is an original writing, a deep and interesting plot. At the same time, people literally scolded ReZero for the fact that the anime did not reveal all the intrigues of LN in the anime first season and that the characters that get more development in future arcs do not fully develop in the first.
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Adnash said:
Kaasfondue said:
I'm just curious, but when does Vinland Saga have ''talk no jutsu'' and even worse than in Naruto?

Oh, I referred to two scenes from each show that are usually memed when you seem people talking about them in a witty way (yes, fans also participate in those convos). If it's better or worse, depends on the person taking about it, really. I only judged it with having the weight of each "talk no jutsu moment" in mind. As seinen genre offers more mature experience, then when I have two similar looking scenes (or rather: following certain themes), I treat seinen side - as the one meant to be more complex and mature in theory - in a little more critical way. That's all.

KittenCuddler said:
[Do you have a specific example, by chance? I could totally see that being a thing for some people in the community, but I just don't recall ever seeing it before
You mean, an example of such stuff? I can come with mentioning a plenty of them. I will write them below, of course, but to be frank, I'm too lazy to search for specific posts to back them up. Especially when they are of really low quality.

Here are those examples (spoiler tagged, because of minor spoilers regarding Berserk, Kimetsu no Yaiba, Vinland Saga, Naruto, Monster):


Don't get me wrong, you can see the reversed situation as well, with shounen fans tryharding with finding every argument to make their shounen series look as if it was Nobel prize worth. While that show might not be that deep, and usually isn't, but rather just be entertaining to watch. It's not bad to judge the way different genres deal with certain tropes or themes. However, it's kinda weird when somebody is being overly harsh to a show dedicated to teenagers not having elements typical for Ancient philosophy; or is trying to give way deeper meaning to simple things happening in shows dedicated to more mature audience, because of following "seinen = superior by default" mindset.

Still, both sides have one thing in common: double standards in perceiving anime. Buzzphrases like "you don't get it, troll" appearing each time somebody shares a different perspective cement how true this statement is.


Gotcha! I guess I just hang out in the wrong parts of the internet (or perhaps the right parts of the internet), because I don't really see stuff like what you're referencing. Thank you for the info!
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Arioch- said:
I never denied that it had Shonen tropes so I’m a little confused as to why you replied to me, are you just reiterating my point?
You referred to shonen tropes in the second season, I wrote that it was even in the first. This is so strange?

KittenCuddler said:


But I don't "literally hate or slander" shounens. I don't know what has led you to believe that. I can't seem to recall ever punking on shounen specifically - are you sure you don't have me mistaken for someone else? I was just curious if Adnash had a concrete example of shounen getting attacked for what seinen don't. I was asking questions, not making accusations, hating, or slandering.
I mean, it wasn't you who started the "it's personal" fight with me in the shonen hate thread, currying favor with anyone who criticized the genre in even the most stupid way and claiming that battle shonens is a boring and repetitive genre because it has classic tropes. ?


No? I haven't a clue what you're talking about. Do you have a link to a few posts or the whole "shounen hate thread"
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Arioch- said:
Kaasfondue said:
I'm just curious, but when does Vinland Saga have ''talk no jutsu'' and even worse than in Naruto?
It happens in the latest episode, Thorfinn changes Canute’s mind and modus operandi within a 10 minute conversation. I like Vinland Saga but that was a pretty anticlimactic and ham fisted way to resolve that conflict.

I think it was done pretty well, just very dramatic and not realistic. The story didn't sacrifice any consistency. Canute throughout the entire story is shown to be conflicted with using a violent approach. And it's not like he changed him, he only made him gamble on settling the matter between the English and the Danes in a more peaceful way. He still believes everything he's done before and will continue to do is right.

With ''talk no jutsu'' it's always Naruto getting the other character to be on the same side during or after a fight. But here both continue on the same path as before. 
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Kaasfondue said:
Arioch- said:
It happens in the latest episode, Thorfinn changes Canute’s mind and modus operandi within a 10 minute conversation. I like Vinland Saga but that was a pretty anticlimactic and ham fisted way to resolve that conflict.

I think it was done pretty well, just very dramatic and not realistic. The story didn't sacrifice any consistency. Canute throughout the entire story is shown to be conflicted with using a violent approach. And it's not like he changed him, he only made him gamble on settling the matter between the English and the Danes in a more peaceful way. He still believes everything he's done before and will continue to do is right.

With ''talk no jutsu'' it's always Naruto getting the other character to be on the same side during or after a fight. But here both continue on the same path as before. 
I disagree, even if he was conflicted Canute was becoming so ambitious and ruthless that he was willing to kill his own brother just to get his territory and become king of England and Denmark. I find it very hard to believe that he would just give that path up after talking to Thorfinn for 10 minutes, he also completely changes how he operates in England. I could be completely wrong because I haven’t read the manga after this point in the story so I don’t know if Canute continues to be ruthless or not but it seemed like a major turning point for his character in the latest episode that feels completely unearned.
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Wow. A couple of days ago you seemed ready to kill me, and now you don't even recognize me. OK.
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Abusive women=slay queen :nailcare: emojis and humor but if a guy simply exists, then he desreves it. :woozyface:

Bruh, this is why i avoid uwu romcom shit alot these days.

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Isekai, romcom, or harem anime with a male lead: This is the worse piece of writing to ever exist, the protagonist is a wimp, and it's made for losers to self-insert into.

The same stuff but with a female lead: This is finally what I've been looking for. OMG, even the guys are hot.
I was going to say something similar to this. Don't forget when the male lead show has ecchi, it's the worst thing ever to these people, but when the female lead show has it, it's perfectly fine. Hypocrites. 
Damn, that's something spreading like a disease not only among anime fans, but among fans of many works of art in general. Suddenly, bikini armor is considered as "filthy, sexist fanservice", but muscular guys wearing only leather pants and leather boots is considered as, dunno, a part of worldbuilding (??).
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I feel like...

More I read the "anime / manga" ( If I can actually say manga... because I feel like reading / writing is a skill nowadays)... More I feel like this community is fucking retarded.

I don't know. I guess people are just aphasic(?) nowadays...

Using your brain has become a commodity nowadays.
Jun 17, 2023 10:51 PM

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Itzmespooky said:
Abusive women=slay queen :nailcare: emojis and humor but if a guy simply exists, then he desreves it. :woozyface:

Bruh, this is why i avoid uwu romcom shit alot these days.
Bonus points if it's an isekai. I know a bunch of die-hard isekai haters who enjoy the most generic isekai if the protagonist is a woman.
Jun 17, 2023 10:53 PM

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Adnash said:
Tropisch said:
I was going to say something similar to this. Don't forget when the male lead show has ecchi, it's the worst thing ever to these people, but when the female lead show has it, it's perfectly fine. Hypocrites. 
Damn, that's something spreading like a disease not only among anime fans, but among fans of many works of art in general. Suddenly, bikini armor is considered as "filthy, sexist fanservice", but muscular guys wearing only leather pants and leather boots is considered as, dunno, a part of worldbuilding (??).
I am more surprised by the number of men, and young ones at that, who defiantly began to hate any erotica and fan service. There were people like that in the past, but now it's kind of got a second wind and more and more young guys are trying to sound edgy because of it.
Jun 17, 2023 11:44 PM

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RobertBobert said:
Much of this is because people develop dislikes beforehand and then retroactively try to justify it with artificial rationalizations. Which obviously doesn't work. For example, when Vinland Saga has a long development with various arcs and changes in plot direction, it is an original writing, a deep and interesting plot. At the same time, people literally scolded ReZero for the fact that the anime did not reveal all the intrigues of LN in the anime first season and that the characters that get more development in future arcs do not fully develop in the first.
Yeah, that's another thing worth of mentioning. I can't tell much about Re:Zero Light Novel (heck, I'm not even a fan of its animated series, even though I enjoyed Season 1), but I think it's safe to assume that it's just one more example of hypocrisy. Something like, hmm... imagine a person who likes certain series. For them, it might have a slow start and allow its plot to take its necessary time to properly develop; but the very same person might hate on a different series they are not a fan of or they simply dislike, only because of one horrendous thing - not seeing epic super duper character development and worldbuilding in just one, first cour.

RobertBobert said:
I am more surprised by the number of men, and young ones at that, who defiantly began to hate any erotica and fan service. There were people like that in the past, but now it's kind of got a second wind and more and more young guys are trying to sound edgy because of it.
It still leaves a lot of space to potential hypocrisy. I have encountered at least few "ecchi haters" who had no problem with blant fanservice, if it appeared in shows they liked or respected. Heck, suddenly a pantyshot became "an important element of the plot", and everyone not seeing it as such became people who didn't understand the depth of said show's plot. ;D
Jun 17, 2023 11:49 PM

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Adnash said:
RobertBobert said:
Much of this is because people develop dislikes beforehand and then retroactively try to justify it with artificial rationalizations. Which obviously doesn't work. For example, when Vinland Saga has a long development with various arcs and changes in plot direction, it is an original writing, a deep and interesting plot. At the same time, people literally scolded ReZero for the fact that the anime did not reveal all the intrigues of LN in the anime first season and that the characters that get more development in future arcs do not fully develop in the first.
Yeah, that's another thing worth of mentioning. I can't tell much about Re:Zero Light Novel (heck, I'm not even a fan of its animated series, even though I enjoyed Season 1), but I think it's safe to assume that it's just one more example of hypocrisy. Something like, hmm... imagine a person who likes certain series. For them, it might have a slow start and allow its plot to take its necessary time to properly develop; but the very same person might hate on a different series they are not a fan of or they simply dislike, only because of one horrendous thing - not seeing epic super duper character development and worldbuilding in just one, first cour.

RobertBobert said:
I am more surprised by the number of men, and young ones at that, who defiantly began to hate any erotica and fan service. There were people like that in the past, but now it's kind of got a second wind and more and more young guys are trying to sound edgy because of it.
It still leaves a lot of space to potential hypocrisy. I have encountered at least few "ecchi haters" who had no problem with blant fanservice, if it appeared in shows they liked or respected. Heck, suddenly a pantyshot became "an important element of the plot", and everyone not seeing it as such became people who didn't understand the depth of said show's plot. ;D
Not surprising. I've seen a lot of people calling CGDCT important feminist shows in an attempt to justify why they watch fetishized all-female anime.

SAO had a similar fate. At first, the haters just started to hate the show because of its hype and obsessive fans, and then, in order to somehow rationalize this, the haters themselves began to watch this franchise with the initial bias in order to be able to "justify" their hatred of anime, lol.
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Personally, I don't like the negative sentiment that's directed towards romances in anime for men. People always want to label them as misogynistic just because there happens to be attractive women falling for these MCs. But it's literally no different from the pretty boys you see in romances directed towards women. Just because men don't have boobs doesn't mean they can't be admired for their face or other aspects of their body. And guys in female romances are no different than women in male romances in being treated like trophies for the happiness of the MCs. There's always some aspect(s) about the MCs that make these characters fall for them and vie for their attention up until they win the MC over or are sorely rejected for someone else. (I know I sound like a broken record repeating this issue. But it's something I see so often in the anime community.)

And then, there's the issue of people comparing shounens for which ones are better based on uniqueness. Many shounen are the same in certain aspects about them. Whichever one grabs a person's interest or entertains them is based on that person's particular tastes. I think the need in people arguing and declaring the best shounen is pointless since opinions are vast and not everyone sees the same entertainment value in shows.
Aug 10, 2023 3:36 AM

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Male character got beaten ans abused by a woman? Hahaha funy!!! Xdddd
Male character got raped????? Hahahah peak comedy!!!!! XDDDD
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Piromysl said:
Male character got beaten ans abused by a woman? Hahaha funy!!! Xdddd
Male character got raped????? Hahahah peak comedy!!!!! XDDDD
From what I've seen online


Male rape: boring not funny (He didn't want it)
Female rape: Fetish and sexy (she actually wanted it)  
Aug 10, 2023 5:04 AM

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UberBat said:
Piromysl said:
Male character got beaten ans abused by a woman? Hahaha funy!!! Xdddd
Male character got raped????? Hahahah peak comedy!!!!! XDDDD
From what I've seen online


Male rape: boring not funny (He didn't want it)
Female rape: Fetish and sexy (she actually wanted it)  
As an option

Heterosexual harassment and sexual assaults: Yes girl Punish them! In general, it is very toxic and problematic!
Homosexual harassment and sexual assaults: Wow, that's YURIIIIII/sooo gay! The authors clearly say that they are gay, I want them to become a couple.
Aug 10, 2023 5:22 AM

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Rinrinka said:
I don't know currently but back then it was like this....

Mecha haters : "I don't like mecha it has giant robots!"
Also mecha haters : *rates Code Geass 8 or more*

sometimes I also saw those self-proclaimed mecha haters had Gurenn Lagann in their favorites as well.

Their hypocrisy is always funny to see :D
I can kinda understand this. People can find watching giant robots fight each other to be boring. However, if that's just a small part of the show (it can be important in terms of the story, but it's not just mostly fights), then it may make it a lot more watchable even if it's still technically mecha.

That being said, I don't like either of the shows for reasons other than mecha (one being an anti-hero edgy enough to cut bedrock like butter, and the other being a lame parody).
Aug 10, 2023 8:23 AM

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delirific said:
Rinrinka said:
I don't know currently but back then it was like this....

Mecha haters : "I don't like mecha it has giant robots!"
Also mecha haters : *rates Code Geass 8 or more*

sometimes I also saw those self-proclaimed mecha haters had Gurenn Lagann in their favorites as well.

Their hypocrisy is always funny to see :D
I can kinda understand this. People can find watching giant robots fight each other to be boring. However, if that's just a small part of the show (it can be important in terms of the story, but it's not just mostly fights), then it may make it a lot more watchable even if it's still technically mecha.

That being said, I don't like either of the shows for reasons other than mecha (one being an anti-hero edgy enough to cut bedrock like butter, and the other being a lame parody).
I could joke about G-Witch, but if without jokes, not every mecha is a mecha-only show.
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