Attack on Titan
CG or 2D?
CG Mappa
26.9%
128
2D WIT
73.1%
348
476 votes
ReegrezSNK said: SirTristram said: Damn, those clouds. Still kudos to MAPPA/V-Sign for making Armored Titan look decent when it's not moving. It sincerely looks good until it moves, one of the best anime CGI. There is no point in comparing them with Wit though. They have no chance. Far as I know you are anime only so tell me is the quality so low for you that it takes away your viewing pleasure? AOT has much more to offer than just good animation, this is not Nanatsu no taizai. Or maybe you are still like it, but just think that it could be much better im not him but i will reply from my prespective. we watch anime due to its animation,sound,voice acting,directing etc if these are compromised,why one would watch anime instead of reading the manga? most of us probably watch AOT for the story,but seeing video game models fighting in 2d enviroment takes you out of it heavily,its like "what?? so ridiculous" for me as you see in everyone talking "negatively" nobody talked shit about the story,as its by isayama and thankfully they didn't change anything. so yes,we're all saying it could be MUCH better. what better way to endt he series off unless its the best season ever? yet we're getting CGI vs CGI action. atleast the character interactions won't be harmed i guess |
deg said: that reminds me of this tweet by Blou a sakuga community member Nah. I actually put in the hard work by looking up whole episodes and series which featured staff members of The Final Season. Like, I’ve literally seen almost the entirety of DAYS just for Niinuma’s animation direction and the entirety of Zombieland Saga just to see Ogura’s art direction and many other examples like those two. I looked at stuff I actually didn’t care about at all just to understand the staff better. |
I agree with you but I guess voice acting, directing, sound, animation outside of titans are still good? |
ReegrezSNK said: I agree with you but I guess voice acting, directing, sound, animation outside of titans are still good? Voice acting is good indeed since its the same as the previous seasons IIRC and the new characters sound fine. Directing we cannot really say anything yet,we should wait for more episodes. especially since this one isn't directed by hayashi i think. animation outside of titans is good,but as i said in my previous thread.i think almost any studio would have made it just as good, since there isn't any complex animation involved. so i don't think its something to praise Mappa for. but yes its good for AOT. I merely said these things to clarify why im watching anime for,not that Mappa sucked on all three. all in all its still inconclusive,because there is possibility the CGI will only be used for skirmishes etc and 2D would be used for important fights etc.. because if so then it will be much better. edit:i also HATE how blur is used in almost every recent mappa anime,like i can't tell how they don't know it takes out of animation and does NOT add to it |
Sad7727Dec 7, 2020 2:19 PM
MironBiron said: deg said: that reminds me of this tweet by Blou a sakuga community member Nah. I actually put in the hard work by looking up whole episodes and series which featured staff members of The Final Season. Like, I’ve literally seen almost the entirety of DAYS just for Niinuma’s animation direction and the entirety of Zombieland Saga just to see Ogura’s art direction and many other examples like those two. I looked at stuff I actually didn’t care about at all just to understand the staff better. There is still hope somewhat Miron,its only 16 episodes with the final arc being another season or a movie. if it was a movie then it could have a huge budget and full 2D animation. if the anime doesn't get better that is. |
| I'll never understand WHY they didn't just use the scenes from the trailer instead of making new ones with CGI. Feels like they purposely wanted to make it worse. Also, all the people saying "Nooo, episode 1 is amazing, everything is so perfect" they are really lying to themselves. How can this be better than WIT Studio's work? It doesn't make any sense. Since the very beginning, I felt like AOT Anime looked 10x better than AOT Manga because of better drawings and scenery (also with anime your experience may be more immersive because of music, voices, etc). But now, imagining how the next episodes are going to look by judging this first episode, I'm just preparing to tell my friends to go and read the manga. Just hoping the next episodes will look better, please. edit: typo |
wVultuReDec 7, 2020 2:53 PM
wVultuRe said: I'll never understand WHY they didn't just use the scenes from the trailer instead of making new ones with CGI. Feels like they purposely wanted to make it worse. Also, all the people saying "Nooo, episode 1 is amazing, everything is so perfect" they are really lying to themselves. How can this be better than WIT Studio's work? It doesn't make any sense. Since the very beginning, I felt like AOT Anime looked 10x better than AOT Manga because of better drawings and scenery (also with anime your experience may be more immersive because of music, voices, etc). But now, imaging how the next episodes are going to look by judging this first episode, I'm just preparing to tell my friends to go and read the manga. Just hoping the next episodes will look better, please. Yeah,they could've used THIS,yet they didn't.  i really don't understand |
| @SirTristram What I can say in this case I feel sad for you and I understand your critical attitude, because I would express out frustration myself if the quality would destroy my anime perception, plus you always give arguments not just complaining left and right, so I don't understand the hatred of other users towards you. |
| ruined. T-T I wouldn't have minded waiting another year or so for wit to animate it. |
ReegrezSNK said: @SirTristram What I can say in this case I feel sad for you and I understand your critical attitude, because I would express out frustration myself if the quality would destroy my anime perception, plus you always give arguments not just complaining left and right, so I don't understand the hatred of other users towards you. Thanks. It's because I'm harsh on people who constantly bullshit and lie about certain things. Saying the ugly truths doesn't help either. I honestly don't blame them. |
| How amazing it could have been if the scenes in the episode were like in the thoses in the trailer... The screenshots really show how 2D is superior, the fights between titans are going to be cgi mess impossible to be taken seriously, it's not going to live up to all the hype. |
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crypt0l0gy said: The CGI is not even the biggest problem. Look at the difference in coloring. The beast Titan in 2D has such a clear and crisp color scheme. On the CGI one I can‘t even tell the difference between the background colors lmao. And don‘t get me started at the blur that is all over the place. If people we‘re honest with themselves they would realize that this is mediocre at best. The previous seasons always elevated the manga both visually and impactfully. This is here clearly not the case. I‘m really jealous how people can enjoy that, I would like to as well. But let’s be real here the difference is night and day. People only defend it right now because it is AoT. And this is just the first episode. I‘m sure a lot of people will change their mind after seing a full CGI feast. And people saying this is hating, it‘s not. The episode was not bad but just not living up to the full potential that AoT has to offer and that is the saddest part about it because we all know what could have been if wit stayed or Mappa had more time. But I guess the masses are satisfied with mediocrity 🤷🏻♂️ This is why Wit always stayed on top despite the hellish schedule. Their key staff were too good and the creative choices they made were top notch. Even with the most fucked up no-detail shots from the last season looks good -especially compared to this- thanks to color theme, perspective, backgrounds and such. They knew what they were doing. Still, this season would be a disappointment with the same schedule even if Wit were to do it. It wouldn't be this bad, but it would be a step down again. They should have gave MAPPA more time or better treat Wit right all along. |
| I personally think that the CGI was well done overall, the only one I don't fully like is the Armored Titan which looks kinda weird to me for some reason, maybe because he seems darker in the CGI model? Of course the 2d was 10 times better and it will always be, the previous seasons were VERY well animated and probably had a higher budget so it's difficult to live up to the expectations after that But as someone else already said, it could have gone SO much worse; the episode kept the WIT snk feel alive and the titans were the only ""bad"" thing. I just hope that they switch to 2d animation for important scenes or honestly just when the Attack Titan is on screen because I CANNOT imagine him in CGI. Also what is up with the differences with the original trailer? Wth I did NOT notice it at all |
Felipeacosta12 said: Guys. I don’t care if you like it or not. The truth is that you should be grateful to Mappa. Producers (pony canyon) wanted to produce this season one year after the Season 3 when all the previous season were produced by 3-4 years after each season, AOT is one of the most demandant animation projects and it’s very hard to produce it at 1 year.. that’s the reason that Wit studio declined to animate the project... not only Wit, a lot of studios declined, Mappa accept the project and they are making a good/decent job with this shitty schedule. Be grateful.... this is production hell What the hell ? Why not wait to get a better final product? I will never understand why producers (of anything, really) do this |
| Glad I dont have to nitpick an anime's animation to enjoy it, the CGI or whatever it is doesnt look bad anyway. Totally 7/10 anime, its good :) |
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Sad7727 said: in this thread i will be posting comparisons about CGI vs 2D. mainly about how mappa deals with the shifters vs WIT aside from colossal.it will be updated periodically and hopefully good discussion comes out of it. PV(2D) vs the episode(CG).Click image to zoom in:  Link to PV on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlNpRThS9t8 Beast titan: CG  2D  2D vs CG  Gifs: CG  2D  Armrored titan: CG  CG  2D  2D  Gifs: 2D  CG  2D  2D  Im DissapointmentA by the way,tried to get back one of my old accounts and this is the one i was able to remember (Sad777 i couldn't), did this so people won't see the Dec join date and think im trying to bankrupt Mappa or something. Please Discuss respectfully. So you will make comparison like this every episode? |
z7ProSpyce said: wVultuRe said: I'll never understand WHY they didn't just use the scenes from the trailer instead of making new ones with CGI. Feels like they purposely wanted to make it worse. Also, all the people saying "Nooo, episode 1 is amazing, everything is so perfect" they are really lying to themselves. How can this be better than WIT Studio's work? It doesn't make any sense. Since the very beginning, I felt like AOT Anime looked 10x better than AOT Manga because of better drawings and scenery (also with anime your experience may be more immersive because of music, voices, etc). But now, imagining how the next episodes are going to look by judging this first episode, I'm just preparing to tell my friends to go and read the manga. Just hoping the next episodes will look better, please. edit: typo Huh??? Just because I really liked the episode means I'm lying to myself? > Feels like they purposely wanted to make it worse. < This is so disguisting. The Staff is making hard work to you say this!? > How can this be better than WIT Studio's work? It doesn't make any sense. < You're the ones who are comparing this to Wit Studio. Have you ever stopped to think that not everyone is comparing this to Wit Studio?! Wit Studio is over, accept it or not. Yeah, the "purposely wanted to make it worse" was a bit harsh, I apologize for that. But man, it truly looks worse than what was shown in the trailer. I really like the chara designs and backgrounds but those titans were awful. The ones that fell from the zepellin were great tho. The "lying to themselves" part is because I'm seeing tons of people here and on Twitter saying "best CGI in anime", "it looks amazing", "fuck WIT we love MAPPA", etc etc. I'm just saying that those titans scenes truly don't look good at all. We could've waited 1 or 2 more years to get a better product but well, it is what it is. I think that decision can only be made by the production committee tho. I'm sorry, it's just that I don't want this last part of this great manga to get a bad adaptation. Edit: TL;DR: I was dissapointed, that's all |
Krugerman said: you guys make it sound like MAPPA wanted to use CG, it's not a choice, it's more of they had to do it if they want to make other eps look decent at least. Look at s1 animation drops in some eps( Tv ver) they had to put random landscape shots and the characters looks inconsistent, they were begging animators online to help them animate+ IG had to step in. And for another example with less extreme problems s3p2 was actually good but compare it to other WIT seasons, it doesn't stand a chance except for ep 4,5,6,10. Now MAPPA had to start from scratch, had to animate 16 eps ( more tha s3p2), had to animate more complex actions with more titans ( much more than s3p2) with slightly more time than s3p2+ covid def slowed down the process and made the behind schedule for 2 months or so. Even Mr Cao said that MAPPA priorities JJk and AOT equally and even if that's just PR talk. It still shows MAPPA cares about AOT due to them being in Committee and for reputation's sake. And don't forget the staffs and animators that work sleepless nights and pour their all into AOT and you guys say MAPPA or their staffs don't care??? Also, no shit 2D looks better than Cg there is no debate. We just said Cg was good. Trust me if MAPPA used 2D hand-drawn for this ep then it would've looked amazing but ep 3,4 onwards everything will have crashed lol maybe OPM s2 lvl or worse. Even Wit with their experience with AOT will have suffered like shit and quality would've probably dropped t lower than s3p2 with the same schedule MAPPA has. We won't get WIT anymore, they left AOT now we have MAPPA and we just have to trust in them and hope they bring us a decent adaptation. Honestly, IMO I really loved the eps other than beast Cg and some Jaws and armored shots. CD and Background art was much better than I expected. Sky def wasn't as good. The animation was decent for 2D titans and soldiers running and effects animation was top tier. all of your post hinges on thing: they sacrificed the early episodes quality because they're saving the best for the future,is this correct? i really hope you're correct,but when future epsiodes roll in and its all CGI vs CGI. then your argument falls apart. |
Krugerman said: captain3xtreme said: Of course it was all about money, why bother keeping the style of the anime consistent when you can use CGI for less money. Feels bad man thing is Cg is expensive from what I heard. It's just used to reduce workload and meet deadlines No,it is true that it is more expensive to do a CGI model and use it for one episode. but once you use it every episode or very often it becomes A LOT cheaper then doing 2D. infact it makes animation VERY cheap aside from the front cost of doing CGI. that's why netflix is filled with CGI garbage. so we have two options here: 1-Mappa/Production thought it'd better to use CGI for one episode or few moments and decided to do it despite the cost 2-Mappa/Production saw how cheaper it would be to use CGI for everything and decided to do it there's a reason why the mindless titans weren't CGI (honestly they could if they gone ultra cheapness,but it'd turn off soo many people seeing the same mindless titans cgi models lol) that's probably why they decided agianst it i think |
| That's awesome, it's cool to see side by side so we know for sure both look great. |
Krugerman said: WIT quality overall was better I'm not denying but MAPPA staffs put in their all pls don't take away their efforts. The quality is not as good but their efforts are there I’m not slandering the staff though. I just don’t think MAPPA made a very good choice in taking on this task. They could’ve declined it like any sane studio did. Looking at it now it wasn’t realistic for a new studio to produce a complete, substantial season of Attack on Titan within a year. Every studio declined because they knew this. MAPPA didn’t decline and even made it into the production committee whereas WIT never did. WIT declined the deadline because they knew they couldn’t offer something substantial within that timeframe, other studios did too. WIT, mostly due to the experience they have in animating AoT, would have made a stronger adaptation, S3P2 speaks for itself in this regard, as the production/buffer time consisted only of 6 months (MAPPA worked on this for 1 year) and it turned out better than MAPPA’s version in every category. Yes MAPPA’s CG is better, but WIT didn’t have to rely on it that much in the first place due to their experience with the franchise. I’m not bashing the staff but I am bashing MAPPA as well as Kodansha. Kodansha became greedy because the manga (their big cash-cow) is ending and so they desperately decided to put out the anime within an impossible timeframe in order to boost manga sales by having both anime and manga end around the same time. A worthy, substantial, and complete adaptation of The Final Season of Attack on Titan simply couldn’t have been made under these conditions and that’s why its first episode was lacking in most, if not all, elements. For some reason even the sound design ended up being lacking, as if it had to be rushed too in order to make the deadline too. Much love to the staff, it’s not their fault that Attack on Titan got turned into a classic victim of economic pressure. |
MironBironDec 7, 2020 5:53 PM
MironBiron said: Krugerman said: WIT quality overall was better I'm not denying but MAPPA staffs put in their all pls don't take away their efforts. The quality is not as good but their efforts are there I’m not slandering the staff though. I just don’t think MAPPA made a very good choice in taking on this task. They could’ve declined it like any sane studio did. Looking at it now it wasn’t realistic for a new studio to produce a complete, substantial season of Attack on Titan within a year. Every studio declined because they knew this. MAPPA didn’t decline and even made it into the production whereas WIT never did. WIT declined the deadline because they knew they couldn’t offer something substantial within that timeframe, other studios did too. WIT, mostly due to the experience they have in animating AoT, would have made a stronger adaptation, S3P2 speaks for itself in this regard, as the production/buffer time consisted only of 6 months (MAPPA worked on this for 1 year) and it turned out better than MAPPA’s version in every category. Yes MAPPA’s CG is better, but WIT didn’t have to rely on it that much in the first place due to their experience with the franchise. I’m not bashing the staff but I am bashing MAPPA as well as Kodansha. Kodansha became greedy because the manga (their big cash-cow) is ending and so they desperately decided to put out the anime within an impossible timeframe in order to boost manga sales by having both anime and manga end around the same time. A worthy, substantial, and complete adaptation of The Final Season of Attack on Titan simply couldn’t have been made under these conditions and that’s why its first episode was lacking in most, if not all, elements. For some reason even the sound design ended up being lacking, as if it had to be rushed too in order to make the deadline too. Much love to the staff, it’s not their fault that Attack on Titan got turned into a classic victim of economic pressure. This. No one could've said it better. |
| Anyone who voted for CG care to share their opinion in how its better then 2D? Just asking for perspective. |
ReegrezSNK said: SirTristram said: Damn, those clouds. Still kudos to MAPPA/V-Sign for making Armored Titan look decent when it's not moving. It sincerely looks good until it moves, one of the best anime CGI. There is no point in comparing them with Wit though. They have no chance. Far as I know you are anime only so tell me is the quality so low for you that it takes away your viewing pleasure? AOT has much more to offer than just good animation, this is not Nanatsu no taizai. Or maybe you are still like it, but just think that it could be much better If it has an amazing story (I know the Final Season material is 10/10) it needs to have good enough visual to match. If visuals don't matter then shows like Berserk (2016) and Kingdom are top tiers just because of their story. |
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| wit for sure but mappa is trying with what they have. Cg would be prob used in wit too with that scene bc a lot is going on but it wouldnt look as good as mappa. Maybe in the future in with other fights between 2 titans it will change to 2d |
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| Why are people shitting on the cgi?It actually looks decent. |
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| If you don't like 3DCGI, you can always stick to the manga. It's always 2D there. |
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