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Sedgewic said:
http://www.yuncomics.com/archives/1690190

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EDIT: really?! ...osamu deactivated shield mode for nothing between the squares of the manga...hahaha...just so katori could cut him, because if he was in shield mode like he was all the round....i guess she wouldnt "kill" him that easily...in my opinion it was forced

Or he let her kill him so he could shoot the spider into her back for Yuma to kill her.

May 27, 2016 7:56 AM

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Dues-aj said:

Sedgewic said:
http://www.yuncomics.com/archives/1690190

Raw is out

EDIT: really?! ...osamu deactivated shield mode for nothing between the squares of the manga...hahaha...just so katori could cut him, because if he was in shield mode like he was all the round....i guess she wouldnt "kill" him that easily...in my opinion it was forced

Or he let her kill him so he could shoot the spider into her back for Yuma to kill her.

I thought about it, but what made me confused is he looked surprised when defeated, dunno if we are losing something between the translations

May 27, 2016 8:01 AM

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The fact people just go "Huyse need to join T-2 needs is more fighting power to help them get past the B-Rank top wall and selection exams" is piss me off as well. They had to pass B-rank by themself, or they will never be A rank team.
And Tamakoma 2 be A rank or not isn't Kido and top commanders bussiness. Bail out can't use outside 3 kms from the ship, one backstab and the whole mission fail. Losing top agents or Huyse ability isn't thing can be chose.

The goal now, is NOT really for T2 to be an "A rank team". The goal is "Going Away Missions". T2 is only trying soo hard to reach A rank, to get on the Mission.
So if Hyuse lets them do that, I'm sure they don't mind... As a "team", they will be A-rank.

And even if T2 isn't A-rank level, when they "first" join in fights vs "low A rank" teams; those fights against A-rank teams, can help Osamu/ Chika and even Yuma to get stronger. Usually the stronger enemies you face, and harder challenges you have to go through, the "faster" you become stronger.
So if Hyuse let's them have that "buffer", to get stronger, without "risking" getting killed (well, in a different world; in this one just BO), or risk "not getting into the Away mission"; whats the problem?

I don't see T2 becoming A-rank level "on their own" (without Hyuse), and going on the Away Missions.
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The problem is Nino team can't join Away team because some sniper can't shot people, it mean if they can win B-1 and B-2 with Huyse around, someone can't fix her own problem. If they fix their problem, they are A rank team by ability can join Away mission not by name because of one individual.

May 27, 2016 8:09 AM

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Botato said:

dat_le_tat said:
The fact people just go "Huyse need to join T-2 needs is more fighting power to help them get past the B-Rank top wall and selection exams" is piss me off as well. They had to pass B-rank by themself, or they will never be A rank team.
And Tamakoma 2 be A rank or not isn't Kido and top commanders bussiness. Bail out can't use outside 3 kms from the ship, one backstab and the whole mission fail. Losing top agents or Huyse ability isn't thing can be chose.

"By themselves" you make it sound like if Hyuse joins as combatant he wouldn't be part of the team or something.

But okay, if they have to become A-Rank without Hyuse's fighting power then what is the point of recruiting Hyuse at all.
Originally Osamu invited Jin to join, and Jin said Hyuse is a better option. Are you saying Osamu invited Jin to become their operator?

They have to face their "wall" to change. One sniper can't shot people here. Huyse is a sudden buff. If Huyse join and make them A rank team their problem still there and they can't get into away mission.
And Jin said Huyse make Tamakoma 2 stronger is true, but as combatant? No.

May 27, 2016 8:11 AM

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They have to face their "wall" to change. One sniper can't shot people here. If Huyse join and make them A rank team their problem still there and they can't get into away mission.

Then they better give up about joining the upcoming away mission and wait for the next one.

And Jin said Huyse make Tamakoma 2 stronger is true, but as combatant? No.

Please explain to me how Hyuse becoming their operator will make them stronger.

May 27, 2016 8:12 AM

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Dues-aj said:

Or he let her kill him so he could shoot the spider into her back for Yuma to kill her.

I thought about it, but what made me confused is he looked surprised when defeated, dunno if we are losing something between the translations

Well he does seem to internally remark in a surprised fashion, but his expression shows more like he is aiming his spider in a final move. But then again the Scorpion wire slash is something most people seem to have a hard time blocking. In any case it seems pointless for this to be forced because Katori still loses and her team getting one point want effect anything.

May 27, 2016 8:14 AM

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Botato said:
Glad that Yuma ended Katori with Kageura's whip technique tbh, that was like the cherry on the top.

Awesome! Yuma has more control over the whip technique than Kageura himself!! Kageura couldn't change the trajectory as fluently as Yuma. Katori perceived the trajectory of Yuma's whip and she protruded a scorpion blade in the line yet Yuma pierced her chest by altering the trajectory right in front of Katori's blade!! Brilliant Uma!!

May 27, 2016 8:25 AM

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Also there's a panel showing the piece of debris Teruya picked up. Between this and Osamu's delayed Asteroid in a previous chapter, Ashihara's attention to detail is pretty cool.

May 27, 2016 8:25 AM

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Yuma inherited polygraph side effect from his father but what if he has another side effect though it could be a pseudo side effect! I mean, maybe, his pseudo-SE has the ability to copy other people's techniques or perceive the mechanism of other people's techniques.

May 27, 2016 8:32 AM

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I can't believe we are having this conversation about Hyuse joining T-2 every other week -__-

Yes, Hyuse was/is an ennemy but conversion do happen in the real world. Also, let's not forget that Midden is way behind in neighborhood knowledge and intelligence. This is an opportunity they can hardly pass. Even if Hyuse had nothing to say for Border to be able to say they converted an ennemy (from Afto no less) is a big win for their foreign image. It would be a good move from a practical and political POV. Yes, Border had some difficulty accepting Yuma but that was MOSTLY because of his BT. It has been said before that some neighbors are already working for Border as engineers and I doubt they were all inocent wanderers like Yuma.

Hyuse might have some loyalty left for Afto but not for Hyrein. He is done with Hyrein. He was left behind on purpose which is in itself unforgivable but it can also only mean that Hyrein plans on FORCING Hyuse master into becoming the next god. Otherwise, Hyuse would've followed his master's whishes.

For that reason, I can very well see the only options being either kill Hyrein or flee with Hyuse's master. If Border accepts Hyuse I'm sure that would orgasming to get someone of Hyuse's master's standing. It would a great outcome.

As far as betrayal go, I think Kido is more likely to order someone (Miwa? Kazama?) to take out Hyuse the second he isn't useful anymore. Hyuse is to ''honorable'' to betray anyone if he agrees to help.

Also, face it guys! We have had foreshadowing for months. It's happening!

May 27, 2016 8:32 AM

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Botato said:

dat_le_tat said:
They have to face their "wall" to change. One sniper can't shot people here. If Huyse join and make them A rank team their problem still there and they can't get into away mission.

Then they better give up about joining the upcoming away mission and wait for the next one.

And Jin said Huyse make Tamakoma 2 stronger is true, but as combatant? No.

Please explain to me how Hyuse becoming their operator will make them stronger.

There, that why let Tamakoma 2 face their "wall" to change themself like battle against B1 and B2 without Huyse as combatant.
Huyse had proved to be a good tactican can give good advice, quick learning, and no one know Aftor better than him. Jin seen the further future, not just be away team. Beside, HQ never let Hyuse join away team without conditions to keep him from harming another agents.

May 27, 2016 8:34 AM

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Sedgewic said:

Dues-aj said:

Or he let her kill him so he could shoot the spider into her back for Yuma to kill her.

I thought about it, but what made me confused is he looked surprised when defeated, dunno if we are losing something between the translations

Because he never thought Katori can change direction to attack him.

May 27, 2016 8:43 AM

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I'm sorry to say this but t-2 might not get the survival points. Yuma's really close to bailing out. I hope they get the survival points but as we all know things don't always turn out as we would like them to.

May 27, 2016 8:45 AM

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I'm sorry to say this but t-2 might not get the survival points. Yuma's really close to bailing out. I hope they get the survival points but as we all know things don't always turn out as we would like them to.

Uhhh, The match ended as soon as Katori bailed out and Yuma was still alive. They got the survival points.

May 27, 2016 8:47 AM

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Botato said:
Glad that Yuma ended Katori with Kageura's whip technique tbh, that was like the cherry on the top.

Awesome! Yuma has more control over the whip technique than Kageura himself!! Kageura couldn't change the trajectory as fluently as Yuma. Katori perceived the trajectory of Yuma's whip and she protruded a scorpion blade in the line yet Yuma pierced her chest by altering the trajectory right in front of Katori's blade!! Brilliant Uma!!

It's waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy to early ''claim'' any of that. Yes, he mastered the technique. Better than Kage? Impossible to tell. Katori perceived the trajectory blah blah blah? She perceived an attack but she was mid-air, being pulled by wires, surprised by the wires and surprised by Yuma`s use of the whip so I doubt she saw any trajectory. I don't think there is any trajectory TO see. So I wouldn't give Yuma any special mention for slipping past her defence. It was a good and wise attack but anything more than that is conjecture.

May 27, 2016 8:52 AM

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I can't believe we are having this conversation about Hyuse joining T-2 every other week -__-

Yes, Hyuse was/is an ennemy but conversion do happen in the real world. Also, let's not forget that Midden is way behind in neighborhood knowledge and intelligence. This is an opportunity they can hardly pass. Even if Hyuse had nothing to say for Border to be able to say they converted an ennemy (from Afto no less) is a big win for their foreign image. It would be a good move from a practical and political POV. Yes, Border had some difficulty accepting Yuma but that was MOSTLY because of his BT. It has been said before that some neighbors are already working for Border as engineers and I doubt they were all inocent wanderers like Yuma.

Hyuse might have some loyalty left for Afto but not for Hyrein. He is done with Hyrein. He was left behind on purpose which is in itself unforgivable but it can also only mean that Hyrein plans on FORCING Hyuse master into becoming the next god. Otherwise, Hyuse would've followed his master's whishes.

For that reason, I can very well see the only options being either kill Hyrein or flee with Hyuse's master. If Border accepts Hyuse I'm sure that would orgasming to get someone of Hyuse's master's standing. It would a great outcome.

As far as betrayal go, I think Kido is more likely to order someone (Miwa? Kazama?) to take out Hyuse the second he isn't useful anymore. Hyuse is to ''honorable'' to betray anyone if he agrees to help.

Also, face it guys! We have had foreshadowing for months. It's happening!

Just ignore it ... it wont stop this retro conversation if you throw more oil to the flame...

nathan6666 said:
I'm sorry to say this but t-2 might not get the survival points. Yuma's really close to bailing out. I hope they get the survival points but as we all know things don't always turn out as we would like them to.

Idk, Yuma isn't even cracking to need to B.O. Remember that some people including Yuma had stayed too much in the field after damaged (Arafune for example)

May 27, 2016 9:26 AM

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Idk, Yuma isn't even cracking to need to B.O. Remember that some people including Yuma had stayed too much in the field after damaged (Arafune for example)

Where does Yuma's trion come from? His BT right? If that's the case then he has tons of trion to spare. The commentators are thinking that Yuma might BO and won't be able to stay alive due to trion loss but they don't know that Yuma's trion comes from his BT and his body is made of trion!! Chicka's monstrous trion has 38 points where as Jin while he is using BT, his trion point is 37. So we can assume Yuma's BT's point would be at least 37, so we can conclude that this leakage of trion would not affect Yuma that much.

May 27, 2016 9:45 AM

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This was a great chapter, and tons of details.

As Botato said, Teruya picking up the piece of debris, Osamu prepping spider while Katori attacks, Katori snapping wires with her attack, there's a lot of great stuff in this final chapter, I can't wait for the analysis!

A couple of things though.

1) Chika's Lead Bullet Hound - She used it, and it was quite effective, but what then? If opponents can still attack like Teruya, she's just a sitting duck. She needs some kind of defense, or a way to kill her opponents, but disabling enemies like that is going to provide only minimal value as she's rarely close enough to her teammates for them to come assist immediately and clean up the kill points. It does make attackers wary of her however, so it's a good deterrent.

2) Love Yuma bringing out the whip attack. It's a difficult to predict attack, and can you imagine his strength if he combines it's use with using wires as well which are also unpredictable movement? The potential is amazing.

3) Man, whoever pointed it out is right, WHY would Osamu disable shield mode? From literally one panel to the next, it's just gone. Poor Osamu, you could have lived!

Overall though, I'm very pleased with how this chapter went, and both points earned by Katori and Teruya were well earned.

T-2 essentially going 6v3 and coming out with 7 points is a tremendous feat, so I'm really pleased with their progress. Their lead bullet combo's will not be a surprise next match however, so they're going to need to really work on their teamwork, defense, and strategies.

May 27, 2016 10:01 AM

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Wouldn't Katori just slash around the Osamu's shield anyway? He was going to be off guard no matter what due to her pulling a feint.

Edit: Actually maybe he was preparing to attack her from behind. That's probably why he changed to sword mode.

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Wouldn't Katori just slash around the Osamu's shield anyway? He was going to be off guard no matter what due to her pulling a feint.

Edit: Actually maybe he was preparing to attack her from behind. That's probably why he changed to sword mode.

So Osamu is now making really bad decisions? c'mon he is a shooter, why would he try to slash ace Katori? :P

May 27, 2016 10:28 AM

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Wouldn't Katori just slash around the Osamu's shield anyway? He was going to be off guard no matter what due to her pulling a feint.

Edit: Actually maybe he was preparing to attack her from behind. That's probably why he changed to sword mode.

So Osamu is now making really bad decisions? c'mon he is a shooter, why would he try to slash ace Katori? :P

Because he does slash people with Raygust. He did it 2 chapters ago. She was clearly targeting Yuma so he her back would have been wide open for a strike

Edit: Also his asteroid attacks were something she could easily block remember? A raygust strike would have been more potent.

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May 27, 2016 11:17 AM

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Sedgewic said:

So Osamu is now making really bad decisions? c'mon he is a shooter, why would he try to slash ace Katori? :P

Because he does slash people with Raygust. He did it 2 chapters ago. She was clearly targeting Yuma so he her back would have been wide open for a strike

Edit: Also his asteroid attacks were something she could easily block remember? A raygust strike would have been more potent.

***Preach!***

Yes, Osamu was most likely readying to attack Katori as soon as she attacked Yuma. With Raygust because it uses less trion, she was going to be quite close and because asteroid could've hurt Yuma.

And btw Osamu has made plenty of bad decisions when trying to take out someone (ex: Nasu and Inukai)

May 27, 2016 11:21 AM

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Sedgewic said:

Idk, Yuma isn't even cracking to need to B.O. Remember that some people including Yuma had stayed too much in the field after damaged (Arafune for example)

Where does Yuma's trion come from? His BT right? If that's the case then he has tons of trion to spare. The commentators are thinking that Yuma might BO and won't be able to stay alive due to trion loss but they don't know that Yuma's trion comes from his BT and his body is made of trion!! Chicka's monstrous trion has 38 points where as Jin while he is using BT, his trion point is 37. So we can assume Yuma's BT's point would be at least 37, so we can conclude that this leakage of trion would not affect Yuma that much.

Yuma only has big trion from his black trigger when he is USING his black trigger, so not right now. As for the trion leakage, Ashihara himself mentioned that the trion bodies are designed to stop trion leakage after a few minutes/seconds. His OP scorpion bandage was there in the meantime, now he will only loose trion if he uses it or if he is hurt again.

May 27, 2016 11:32 AM

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1) Chika's Lead Bullet Hound - She used it, and it was quite effective, but what then? If opponents can still attack like Teruya, she's just a sitting duck. She needs some kind of defense, or a way to kill her opponents, but disabling enemies like that is going to provide only minimal value as she's rarely close enough to her teammates for them to come assist immediately and clean up the kill points. It does make attackers wary of her however, so it's a good deterrent.

Nah it's fine, the problem is Chika doesn't have experience in shootouts so Teruya managed to outsmart her, but otherwise it'd be pretty difficult for Teruya to break Chika's Shield.

May 27, 2016 11:43 AM

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Botato said:

Caeless said:
1) Chika's Lead Bullet Hound - She used it, and it was quite effective, but what then? If opponents can still attack like Teruya, she's just a sitting duck. She needs some kind of defense, or a way to kill her opponents, but disabling enemies like that is going to provide only minimal value as she's rarely close enough to her teammates for them to come assist immediately and clean up the kill points. It does make attackers wary of her however, so it's a good deterrent.

Nah it's fine, the problem is Chika doesn't have experience in shootouts so Teruya managed to outsmart her, but otherwise it'd be pretty difficult for Teruya to break Chika's Shield.

Since Chika's master is a capable Raygust user, she could use Raygust and wrap it around her like the way Mikumo did with Kazama. With her trion, the Raygust would be nearly as hard as diamond!!

May 27, 2016 1:20 PM

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Caeless said:
This was a great chapter, and tons of details.

As Botato said, Teruya picking up the piece of debris, Osamu prepping spider while Katori attacks, Katori snapping wires with her attack, there's a lot of great stuff in this final chapter, I can't wait for the analysis!

A couple of things though.

1) Chika's Lead Bullet Hound - She used it, and it was quite effective, but what then? If opponents can still attack like Teruya, she's just a sitting duck. She needs some kind of defense, or a way to kill her opponents, but disabling enemies like that is going to provide only minimal value as she's rarely close enough to her teammates for them to come assist immediately and clean up the kill points. It does make attackers wary of her however, so it's a good deterrent.

2) Love Yuma bringing out the whip attack. It's a difficult to predict attack, and can you imagine his strength if he combines it's use with using wires as well which are also unpredictable movement? The potential is amazing.

3) Man, whoever pointed it out is right, WHY would Osamu disable shield mode? From literally one panel to the next, it's just gone. Poor Osamu, you could have lived!

Overall though, I'm very pleased with how this chapter went, and both points earned by Katori and Teruya were well earned.

T-2 essentially going 6v3 and coming out with 7 points is a tremendous feat, so I'm really pleased with their progress. Their lead bullet combo's will not be a surprise next match however, so they're going to need to really work on their teamwork, defense, and strategies.

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Dues-aj said:

Because he does slash people with Raygust. He did it 2 chapters ago. She was clearly targeting Yuma so he her back would have been wide open for a strike

Edit: Also his asteroid attacks were something she could easily block remember? A raygust strike would have been more potent.

***Preach!***

Yes, Osamu was most likely readying to attack Katori as soon as she attacked Yuma. With Raygust because it uses less trion, she was going to be quite close and because asteroid could've hurt Yuma.

And btw Osamu has made plenty of bad decisions when trying to take out someone (ex: Nasu and Inukai)

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Nah it's fine, the problem is Chika doesn't have experience in shootouts so Teruya managed to outsmart her, but otherwise it'd be pretty difficult for Teruya to break Chika's Shield.

Since Chika's master is a capable Raygust user, she could use Raygust and wrap it around her like the way Mikumo did with Kazama. With her trion, the Raygust would be nearly as hard as diamond!!

I don't think that's a good idea.

First, shield is omni directional and can be materialized anywhere opposed to holding the raygust shield in hand. In addition you can create a shield at a distance to protect allies as seen in multipe instances (Yoneya and Co. Vs Lamvanein)

Second, using the raygust solely for the shield is inefficient compared to someone who would use it to its highest potential ex. Osamu or Murakami

Lastly, a regular shield is just as flexible as the raygust shield as seen with Miwa scattering his shield against Alektor, Kuruma and Taichi combining their shields together in a dome against Nasu's bird cage and of course anchor mode demonstrated by Kitora.

Not to mention having to summon raygust and changing it to shield mode (I would assume that would take time, no matter how minuscule that might be)

May 27, 2016 5:33 PM

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What i like most about this chapter is that it remains realistic and it doesn't give too much of an advantage to the main characters because they are the main characters. This chapter showed that experience trumps any other ability which is how it should be. I was mad at first that katori got osamu, but then i thought it was realistic considering the situation.

Next time chika is attacked by bullets she just needs to use a full body shield with her trion she could probably take it and attack simultaneously.

Osamu needs to add a nasty trap to his red wires just in case someone else dares to try to use them.

Yuma did pretty much as good as i thought he could.

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This page :O
Is that a good looking Osamu? XD
Katori x Osamu, MAKE IT HAPPEN!

That ass
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jKt3uHvLDOE/V0ie12e2UmI/AAAAAAAA3hY/an5R1-6Ud68Cs0Y1IRGn0Eu0EhqT0MOtwCCo/s0/012.png

Teruya and Katori get a point showing their potential and Osamu and Chika's inexperience.

May 27, 2016 7:09 PM

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the purposes of these battles is to expose people to different styles of fighting and doing things. chika obviously would have blocked that due to her extremely high trion had she had the experience in battle and known her opponent which is the number 1 rule of combat. know your enemy.

they are actually a very strong team, they just lack the experience and familiarity of battle. Chika did very well but even her facial expression shows that she was surprised at that outcome. never a good thing.

May 27, 2016 7:27 PM

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There is one thing bugging me:

Does lead hound count as a composite bullet? And if it does, how did Chika meld lead bullet and Hound so quickly?

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iKlinex said:
There is one thing bugging me:

Does lead hound count as a composite bullet? And if it does, how did Chika meld lead bullet and Hound so quickly?

No, lead bullet is a gunner option. Composite bullets are combined two types of bullets.

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iKlinex said:
There is one thing bugging me:

Does lead hound count as a composite bullet? And if it does, how did Chika meld lead bullet and Hound so quickly?

No, lead bullet is a gunner option. Composite bullets are combined two types of bullets.

Wrong too... lead bullet is an optional trigger for shooter and gunner.
*It's not like we saw it in the recent chapter or so... [/sarcasm]

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the_fools said:

No, lead bullet is a gunner option. Composite bullets are combined two types of bullets.

Wrong too... lead bullet is an optional trigger for shooter and gunner.
*It's not like we saw it in the recent chapter or so... [/sarcasm]

I think gunner option is also the same as optional trigger for shooter and gunner. Look at Chippokenabokura's translation on BBF, she used the word gunner option.

May 27, 2016 8:33 PM

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He could use a trion body all the time, like Jin, to hide his horns. Considering his skills and his situation, I don't think that it'll be hard to do.

You mean like "Yuma"? But Yuma keeps his body in his trigger, where would Hyuse leave his body at?
Otherwise, i think it's too "trion consuming".

I think Jin just has the "same" shirt/ jacket. I don't think he's in "trion mode" all the time.

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The problem is Nino team can't join Away team because some sniper can't shot people, it mean if they can win B-1 and B-2 with Huyse around, someone can't fix her own problem. If they fix their problem, they are A rank team by ability can join Away mission not by name because of one individual.

Nino team can't go, because they are B-rank... You mean Ema's teacher (who is in Neighbor world now by the way), she was a "big part" of why their team was successful and got to A-rank. So with her not being able to "shoot people", put the "team" down as a "whole".
Here, even with Chika not shooting people, if we have Hyuse/ Yuma who can and kills people enough; then "as a team", they are strong enough.
(Ema explained how his teacher was letting the team win, just by destroying the other team's weapons)

Also it's not just Hyuse (1 person). We also have Yuma as well.

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They have to face their "wall" to change. One sniper can't shot people here. Huyse is a sudden buff. If Huyse join and make them A rank team their problem still there and they can't get into away mission.
And Jin said Huyse make Tamakoma 2 stronger is true, but as combatant? No.

You have got the "wall" all wrong...
The "wall" isn't for them to prove that they are "A-rank" material. The "wall" is to become "A-rank" and get on that away mission...

If Hyuse joins and makes them A-rank team, then of course they can go on away mission... Cause they will have Hyuse, and Hyuse will be part of the team. It's a "team challenge". They don't select "individuals" to go for the Away missions. Otherwise Osamu and Chika have no hope for going.

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Huyse had proved to be a good tactican can give good advice, quick learning, and no one know Aftor better than him. Jin seen the further future, not just be away team. Beside, HQ never let Hyuse join away team without conditions to keep him from harming another agents.

Are you serious? Hyuse is a "good tactician"? By his "analysis", T2 has "no hope" of becoming A-rank and they should just give up... Hyuse's "advice" for them is to "give up"... That's the strategy from him, for them...
How is Hyuse "knowing Aftor better", is going to help T2 become A-rank? Again, T2 needs strength.
If Hyuse doesn't join as a "combatant"; why does he need to join T2? No reason at all. The reason Mikumo went to Jin, to ask him to join, was when the team only had Yuma for "points". He couldn't get points... Mikumo's not lacking in the "strategy" department. Everyone agrees he comes up with the best strategy (even overlapping Hyuse's sometimes, or even better). What they need is "strength"/ "fire power" Plain and Simple.

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So the last page indicate that next chapter will be the new member (Hyuse) joining the T-2...but I'm more excited about the following:
> Reiji and Karasuma's comments to T-2 about their performance.
> Kitora's comment and reaction about Osamu's performance (assuming that she watched the replay of the rank battle or she heard the details from Tokieda).
> Izumi's comments to Osamu (and hopefully, he will give Osamu some helpful tips or he will offer to train him something useful).
> update about Galopoula expedition team.
> maybe its too early but I hope Ashihara will give us hints about T-2's next opponet for the next round.

May 27, 2016 8:53 PM

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T1) Chika's Lead Bullet Hound - She used it, and it was quite effective, but what then? If opponents can still attack like Teruya, she's just a sitting duck. She needs some kind of defense

That is a good point, and have been on my mind. I mean Reiji has been telling her "being a good sniper" doesn't only mean "accurate shooting" but "survival ability" after each shot. Otherwise 1 really really 1 good shot, then die (cause his spot is not hidden anymore) after just 1 shot, is a really pathetic sniper.

If she somehow learns to make a shield around her whole body... I mean, with all her trion, i can imagine it being impenetrable.... She could just walk around in her shield, shooting people with led bullets lol (Cause you know led bullets go through the shield...)

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> Kitora's comment and reaction about Osamu's performance (assuming that she watched the replay of the rank battle or she heard the details from Tokieda).

Kitora never has anything good to say about Osamu. The best she could say would be "that was to be expected. As the one who taught him is, me" (like "as his teacher was, me")
Also she'll probably mention how "clumsy" he was and how he BO, due to the enemy getting assist by his "OWN" wire... and how pathetic that was... xD (she would just over emphasize everything, to make it sound very negative xD, cause thats what she does to Osamu)

May 27, 2016 9:06 PM

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I feel so stupid for thinking too much about the color page, wonder why there is sphere trion in yuma's hand and "trion cube that is too small" even for osamu. How can I not tell right away that these are for grasshopper and spider respectively. I dissapointed myself.

Anyway, this match show us how inexperienced is osamu and chika. Osamu want to attack from behind with his raygust, but end up attacked. Chika needs to train with using shield.

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Caeless said:
T1) Chika's Lead Bullet Hound - She used it, and it was quite effective, but what then? If opponents can still attack like Teruya, she's just a sitting duck. She needs some kind of defense

That is a good point, and have been on my mind. I mean Reiji has been telling her "being a good sniper" doesn't only mean "accurate shooting" but "survival ability" after each shot. Otherwise 1 really really 1 good shot, then die (cause his spot is not hidden anymore) after just 1 shot, is a really pathetic sniper.

If she somehow learns to make a shield around her whole body... I mean, with all her trion, i can imagine it being impenetrable.... She could just walk around in her shield, shooting people with led bullets lol (Cause you know led bullets go through the shield...)

You forgot about the two trigger limitation.

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Commentator1 said:

I think Jin just has the "same" shirt/ jacket. I don't think he's in "trion mode" all the time.

In the Q&A, Ashihara said that Jin is always in his trion body to maintain his Talented Elite image, but his clothing in his true body isn't that much different.

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RyudoFanel said:

Wrong too... lead bullet is an optional trigger for shooter and gunner.
*It's not like we saw it in the recent chapter or so... [/sarcasm]

I think gunner option is also the same as optional trigger for shooter and gunner. Look at Chippokenabokura's translation on BBF, she used the word gunner option.

Thanks. I'll take a look at it again.
Edit: Since it's an optional trigger, that means Chika didn't have any free slots for this round. Though it bothers me that she still keeps Eaglet on her main hand even when she hasn't used it once in any of the battles

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Commentator1 said:

-jdj888- said:
> Kitora's comment and reaction about Osamu's performance (assuming that she watched the replay of the rank battle or she heard the details from Tokieda).

Kitora never has anything good to say about Osamu. The best she could say would be "that was to be expected. As the one who taught him is, me" (like "as his teacher was, me")
Also she'll probably mention how "clumsy" he was and how he BO, due to the enemy getting assist by his "OWN" wire... and how pathetic that was... xD (she would just over emphasize everything, to make it sound very negative xD, cause thats what she does to Osamu)

Even though I agree with you about that and expected that to happen, we can't still deny that Kitora help Osamu for this round. So I'm still interested in her opinion as long as it's a constructive critisism. ;)

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aditriz said:
You forgot about the two trigger limitation.

In the Rank War against Suwa team? Chika was running around with her sniper, with a shield on her back... So... What trigger limitations again?

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aditriz said:
You forgot about the two trigger limitation.

In the Rank War against Suwa team? Chika was running around with her sniper, with a shield on her back... So... What trigger limitations again?

What he mean by trigger limitations is what you said about Chika using sheild+sniper trigger+lead bullet.

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In the Q&A, Ashihara said that Jin is always in his trion body to maintain his Talented Elite image, but his clothing in his true body isn't that much different.

Man... Q&A is Ashihara was just probably maintaining the "Cool image" of Jin...

I mean, but just to think reasonably; then is Jin's real body all fat and chubby? Cause he never does anything with it? I don't imagine going around in trion body burns any calories.

Plus, to think realistically; doesn't it "consume" trion? to be in trion body? To be in trion body all the time, perhaps only Chika can do?...

Yuma, but really, only cause his real body is supported by the black trigger, i think. It's his dad's life force... :(

I think Q&A are just for "fan service". But maybe just being in "trion body" is not all that consuming...
Then everyone should do that, cause you could "jump higher", be a better "athlete"...
Everyone's going to start being in "trion body", even in "olympics" and stuff... Probably going to happen in the future "fillers" too... (in anime episodes)

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Commentator1 said:
What he mean by trigger limitations is what you said about Chika using sheild+sniper trigger+lead bullet.

Lead bullet I'm assuming is "fit" in her sniper trigger...

Wasn't there like "main trigger" and "support"/ "side" triggers?....

Kitora gunner/ attacker/ wire basically everything you can think of in her triggers...

Also if Chika goes around shooting people with led bullets isn't that just "shield + led bullets"? Or does "hound" also take a trigger...

Nasu for example can do Shield + bullets. I don't think there's a difference if the bullets are just bullets or led bullets.
I mean led bullets are just led bullets. Not bullets + led.... (It's a type of bullet, not a bullet + led 2 things...)

That being said sniping bullets = sniping led bullets... ? (i think it makes sense). Whether you shoot "led bullets" or "trion bullets", they are bullets. There's no "composing" bullets + led at any point. (No composite bullets)

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Commentator1 said:

aditriz said:
You forgot about the two trigger limitation.

In the Rank War against Suwa team? Chika was running around with her sniper, with a shield on her back... So... What trigger limitations again?

You meant the "four way battle" one? I'm not sure if it's the round 2 one, i don't remember much, my memory always betray me. Sorry if I am wrong.

But, sniper + shield are still two trigger. So... no problem?
Don't dispute the two trigger limitation please, it's the rule for border trigger.

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Commentator1 said:

I think Q&A are just for "fan service".

The fact that most of the answers make sense, I don't think that it's just for fan service.

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