crestofhonesty said: Gotta love how people think veganism is inherently hard. I literally had four veggie sliders and White Castle two days ago. You know they probably cooked that on the same surface they cooked the meat on. |
CondemneDio said: Mefke said: Sounds heavy man. used to be veg for few years but don't really see much point of continuing it, and veganism seems unhealthy and rather stupid. Humanity either has to go vegan or starve billions of people to death. I don't get how veganism would seem unhealthy. Maybe you didn't eat right kinds of food or right amounts. Diets need planning, even omnivore diets. If you don't plan, you'll get some problems real quick. Sorry but I don't understand the principles of veganism. Why is it a no to eat eggs , milk etc? Just why? |
| I've been a vegetarian since the day I was born, but lately I do eat meat sometimes (entrecot, chicken, I even tasted duck but didn't like it much, and I've always eaten fish). It's a matter of habit, and I don't give a shit about what the rest eats, even if I might die without tasting food that people actually eats very often, because I just don't feel attracted to it. All in all, I'm just a weird person when it comes to food. |
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traed said: You know they probably cooked that on the same surface they cooked the meat on. Some places definitely do, do that. There is/are just many places that don't. I've worked fast food and many places will cook them completely separate from the meat, etc. It takes an easy e-mail to check on the how places handle those sorts of things. Obviously it is not always guaranteed. |
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Mefke said: CondemneDio said: Humanity either has to go vegan or starve billions of people to death. I don't get how veganism would seem unhealthy. Maybe you didn't eat right kinds of food or right amounts. Diets need planning, even omnivore diets. If you don't plan, you'll get some problems real quick. Sorry but I don't understand the principles of veganism. Why is it a no to eat eggs , milk etc? Just why? Differs from person to person. General thoughts are:
So, pick your poison. It can also be a mixture of these, or some that I didn't list :D |
Mefke said: Sorry but I don't understand the principles of veganism. Why is it a no to eat eggs , milk etc? Just why? Because of how horrendous the dairy industry is. Also, humans are the only species that drink milk from another species and after infancy. |
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crestofhonesty said: traed said: You know they probably cooked that on the same surface they cooked the meat on. Some places definitely do, do that. There as just many places that don't. I've worked fast food and many places will cook them completely separate from the meat, etc. It takes an easy e-mail to check on the how places handle those sorts of things. Obviously it is not always guaranteed. "Easy"is misleading. You are still putting in extra effort and can't eat just anywhere on a whim. crestofhonesty said: Also, humans are the only species that drink milk from another species and after infancy. Because humans are the only animals able to digest it. Except for the lactose intolerant. Also humans are not the only ones to drink it from another animal, some baby animals takee it from other species if the lactating mother is okay with it. |
CondemneDio said: Mefke said: Sorry but I don't understand the principles of veganism. Why is it a no to eat eggs , milk etc? Just why? Differs from person to person. General thoughts are:
So, pick your poison. It can also be a mixture of these, or some that I didn't list :D So... what if I have my own chicken and stuff and have my own eggs... Am i still making the animals suffer? The healthy stuff right. So if you wanna be healthy you gotta fuck around and make a diet and shit. Tho the hipster shit is quite nice. Tho bro are you a vegan engineer atheist who does crossfit? |
crestofhonesty said: Mefke said: Sorry but I don't understand the principles of veganism. Why is it a no to eat eggs , milk etc? Just why? Because of how horrendous the dairy industry is. Also, humans are the only species that drink milk from another species and after infancy. Maybe because humans know how to get milk after it. And even if it's like against nature or what? |
traed said: @kawaiiyuris Things just in meat Creatine Carnosine CoQ-10 (people with depression always have low CoQ10 and its good for heart health) D3 (only found in animals D2 is from plants) DHA (ALA which is the plant form of omega 3 has to be converted to DHA and is very ineffective in humans) Saturated fat and Cholesterol (yes you actually need those. More so males though since its related to testosterone) There are also negative health effects of veganism and vegetarianism that come along with their positive effects. SaturdayKrush said: Dairy is basically liquid meat. If you're gonna change your diet do it all the way. lololol wtf no its not. Yes it is. Compare the fat and protein contents of milk, cheese, etc to beef and pork. Veganism has no ill health effects. Meat does. |
SaturdayKrushMar 27, 2016 1:29 PM
Mefke said: CondemneDio said: Differs from person to person. General thoughts are:
So, pick your poison. It can also be a mixture of these, or some that I didn't list :D So... what if I have my own chicken and stuff and have my own eggs... Am i still making the animals suffer? The healthy stuff right. So if you wanna be healthy you gotta fuck around and make a diet and shit. Tho the hipster shit is quite nice. Tho bro are you a vegan engineer atheist who does crossfit? You most likely are making it suffer. Would you like to be kept captive, and be harvested of your period blood; even though you were fed? Yeah, if you want be healthy, you have to put effort into it. Vegetarianism/veganism done right is quite a big boost to it. Exercising and all the other shit is needed to live super healthily. Hipsters can be found everywhere, dude :D I think there are some who do it with the hiopster mentality, and they are the ones hurting the average vegan image. Your profiling was surprisingly close. I'mma let you figure out which were wrong :P |
traed said: You are still putting in extra effort and can't eat just anywhere on a whim. Lol, chill man you're making it a bigger deal than it needs to be. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you to be vegan. You obviously don't need to send an e-mail, it just make can help put lots of people who want more reassurance feel better. There are plenty of places than have veggie/vegan options, it's evergrowing! BK, White Castle, Wendy's (in certain places) all have veggie burgers. Taco Bell is like taking candy from a baby when it comes to eating vegan or vegetarian. I can name a plethora of things that are easily accessible and veggie/vegan. |
crestofhonestyMar 27, 2016 1:42 PM
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Mefke said: Maybe because humans know how to get milk after it. And even if it's like against nature or what? Did you mean "so what"? If you did, I don't know about you, but I surely know about myself and I rather not go against nature. Setting aside humans and milk, dairy has been linked to many health concerns. |
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CondemneDio said: Mefke said: So... what if I have my own chicken and stuff and have my own eggs... Am i still making the animals suffer? The healthy stuff right. So if you wanna be healthy you gotta fuck around and make a diet and shit. Tho the hipster shit is quite nice. Tho bro are you a vegan engineer atheist who does crossfit? You most likely are making it suffer. Would you like to be kept captive, and be harvested of your period blood; even though you were fed? Yeah, if you want be healthy, you have to put effort into it. Vegetarianism/veganism done right is quite a big boost to it. Exercising and all the other shit is needed to live super healthily. Hipsters can be found everywhere, dude :D I think there are some who do it with the hiopster mentality, and they are the ones hurting the average vegan image. Your profiling was surprisingly close. I'mma let you figure out which were wrong :P I don't really think the chicken even freaking understands it's held captive. You feed it give it a home. And somehow it comes back where it was and lays a motherfucking egg. Oh well what am I doing with my life. I don't really care if ya do your vegan stuff. But if you say stuff like it's the next step of evolution keep your ideology for yourself random vegan atheist engineer crossfitter. An atheist, a vegan, and a crossfitter walk into a bar I only know because they told everyone within two minutes. most accurate image of vegans |
CondemneDio said: I actually disagree with this. Sure, humans have brains and we can use tools and all that. But take your tools away, including our clothes, and we will not survive for a day in the wild. Pit a human against anything remotely it's own size, and the human will get rekt :D If anything, humans are on the upper end of the food chain, but only because we have great brains (or some of us do :P) It's why we are the apex predator. We have the superior intelligence to craft tools. Our brain is why we are on the top of the chain. |
| I don't understand why one would want to become vegan, they're missing out on some really good steaks and nutrients. Other than that I don't mind them as long as they don't try to make me eat veggies. It must take some willpower to do that to yourself. |
crestofhonesty said: Mefke said: Maybe because humans know how to get milk after it. And even if it's like against nature or what? Did you mean "so what"? If you did, I don't know about you, but I surely know about myself and I rather not go against nature. Setting aside humans and milk, dairy has been linked to many health concerns. Hmmm you look like you would like to eat that cat from the avatar damn. It's so nice to find people who still care about stuff. |
TyrelMar 27, 2016 1:51 PM
| @Mefke Alright, you random carnivore religitard burger-flipper bicep-curler. Prepare to be shat upon, if you shit upon. SaturdayKrush said: CondemneDio said: I actually disagree with this. Sure, humans have brains and we can use tools and all that. But take your tools away, including our clothes, and we will not survive for a day in the wild. Pit a human against anything remotely it's own size, and the human will get rekt :D If anything, humans are on the upper end of the food chain, but only because we have great brains (or some of us do :P) It's why we are the apex predator. We have the superior intelligence to craft tools. Our brain is why we are on the top of the chain. You're giving humans too much credit. |
Montisz said: I don't understand why one would want to become vegan, they're missing out on some really good steaks and nutrients. Other than that I don't mind them as long as they don't try to make me eat veggies. It must take some willpower to do that to yourself. I certainly don't feel like missing out on anything, if you're talking about devouring the rotting carcasses of dead animals :D |
| Bleh, this thread turned into a shitfest quite fast. that's exactly why I stay the fuck away from vegans. |
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CondemneDio said: You're giving humans too much credit. Unfortunately humans have a disgusting ego and think of themselves higher than they actually are. |
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| I'm fine with someone who doesn't like meat. What's there to hate about them? |
traed said: @kawaiiyuris Things just in meat Creatine Carnosine CoQ-10 (people with depression always have low CoQ10 and its good for heart health) D3 (only found in animals D2 is from plants) DHA (ALA which is the plant form of omega 3 has to be converted to DHA and is very ineffective in humans) Saturated fat and Cholesterol (yes you actually need those. More so males though since its related to testosterone) fam lol. 1) you're wrong 2) you're treating me like i'm wrong at best, and embarrassingly ignorant at worst. which doesn't sit well with a vain bitch like me so i'm just gonna turn my nose up here get properly educated, it's not my job. start up with that book i recommended when you have time. or even just google the things you're talking about, pretty sure that will be enough to realise the point you're making isn't actually accurate. have fun have a nice day etc |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
| @CondemneDio Pfft.. There's no denying the superiority of us humans. |
CondemneDio said: Mefke said: Sorry but I don't understand the principles of veganism. Why is it a no to eat eggs , milk etc? Just why? Differs from person to person. General thoughts are:
So, pick your poison. It can also be a mixture of these, or some that I didn't list :D you forgot -terrible effects animal agriculture has for the environment |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
| @kawaiiyuris True dat. There's more reasons too, these are the ones from the top of my head. |
Clebardman said: except the shitfest was started by people shitting on vegansBleh, this thread turned into a shitfest quite fast. that's exactly why I stay the fuck away from vegans. but ya know always fun to play bullshit cards lel |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
| Vegans don't give up meat and dairy because they hate it. Those things are delicious. It's more to do with ethics, animal well-being and health. Personally, i'm not going to shit on anyone for not being a vegan. I grew up eating that stuff just like most people. I'd be a hypocrite if I did that. However people should be educated on veganism and nutrition. There are a lot of people that know so little. |
SaturdayKrushMar 27, 2016 1:52 PM
Montisz said: I don't understand why one would want to become vegan, they're missing out on some really good steaks and nutrients. Other than that I don't mind them as long as they don't try to make me eat veggies. Complains about vegans missing out on nutrients but "Ewwwww! Vegetables! Nasty!". Please explain to me how that works? |
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SaturdayKrush said: Vegans don't give up meat and dairy because they hate it. Those things are delicious. This is debatable. Tastes are subjective. Not eating something because you think it tastes like shit is subjective. You can't generalize tastes. |
kawaiiyuris said: Clebardman said: except the shitfest was started by people shitting on vegansBleh, this thread turned into a shitfest quite fast. that's exactly why I stay the fuck away from vegans. but ya know always fun to play bullshit cards lel The thread asks for people's opinion on vegans, not the reasons why vegans are awesome or why people who eat meat are all ignorant and cruel bastards. But of course since we're talking 'bout veganism it didn't take long (a page) before it got derailed. Yeah, it's a listing thread. |
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crestofhonesty said: Complains about vegans missing out on nutrients but "Ewwwww! Vegetables! Nasty!". Please explain to me how that works? I meant if they try to make me eat only vegetables. Vegetables I like less, but I still incorporate them into my diet for their nutritional value. In addition, some people choose to not eat one type of food because they don't like the taste, so I take back what I said about needing willpower. |
MentosAndRiceMar 27, 2016 1:58 PM
crestofhonesty said: traed said: You are still putting in extra effort and can't eat just anywhere on a whim. Lol, chill man you're making it a bigger deal than it needs to be. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you to be vegan. I am chill. Im just pointing out the misleadingness of calling it easy. You could say its easier than some think, but it still takes more effort than not being vegan or perhaps you could say you yourself find it easy in your opinion, but that does not mean everyone would be fine with your level of concept of what you think is easy. kawaiiyuris said: traed said: @kawaiiyuris Things just in meat Creatine Carnosine CoQ-10 (people with depression always have low CoQ10 and its good for heart health) D3 (only found in animals D2 is from plants) DHA (ALA which is the plant form of omega 3 has to be converted to DHA and is very ineffective in humans) Saturated fat and Cholesterol (yes you actually need those. More so males though since its related to testosterone) fam lol. 1) you're wrong 2) you're treating me like i'm wrong at best, and embarrassingly ignorant at worst. which doesn't sit well with a vain bitch like me so i'm just gonna turn my nose up here get properly educated, it's not my job. start up with that book i recommended when you have time. or even just google the things you're talking about, pretty sure that will be enough to realise the point you're making isn't actually accurate. have fun have a nice day etc 1. You say I am wrong yet provide no explanation of basis for that. Do you even know what you are arguing against? All I did was answer your question on what are some nutrients that arent really in plant based foods. That is literally it. Then the next line which you removed here I pointed out how there are negative health effects. That later statement is entirely based off of scientific research. 2. You're the one who called me wrong, like literally the previous sentence. You cant try to force someone to read a whole book before talking to you when thy already have other sources of information. |
Clebardman said: lolzykawaiiyuris said: except the shitfest was started by people shitting on vegans but ya know always fun to play bullshit cards lel The thread asks for people's opinion on vegans, not the reasons why vegans are awesome or why people who eat meat are all ignorant and cruel bastards. But of course since we're talking 'bout veganism it didn't take long (a page) before it got derailed. Yeah, it's a listing thread. an opinion thread asks precisely for opinions on vegans. so if someone thinks vegans are awesome they're supposed to say it. it is the literal point of the thread. the ~shitfest~ started when people posted factually wrong opinions, were corrected, then flipped shit. or when people flat out insulted vegetarians/vegans. stop twisting what happened out of a personal dislike for a group of people, this is some immahnoob level bullshit and you're better than that fam |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
CondemneDio said: SaturdayKrush said: Vegans don't give up meat and dairy because they hate it. Those things are delicious. This is debatable. Tastes are subjective. Not eating something because you think it tastes like shit is subjective. You can't generalize tastes. Lol dude. Are you really going to bring subjectivity into this? Lets not pointlessly nitpick. The generalization is fine. The vegan movement is tiny fraction compared to omnivores. |
Montisz said: I meant if they try to make me eat only vegetables. Welp, veggies/vegans just don't just eat vegetables, y'know? They eat many things. I don't think many people would be a fan of only eating vegetables. |
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SaturdayKrush said: CondemneDio said: This is debatable. Tastes are subjective. Not eating something because you think it tastes like shit is subjective. You can't generalize tastes. Lol dude. Are you really going to bring subjectivity into this? Lets not pointlessly nitpick. The generalization is fine. The vegan movement is tiny fraction compared to omnivores. I am going to bring it in :D My veganism's first step was how I hated minced meat. I stopped eating it, read up on veganism etc. Meat smells like shit when someone's cooking it, too. |
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traed said: babe i just asked you a question. i didn't offer to give you a crash course on nutrition.crestofhonesty said: Lol, chill man you're making it a bigger deal than it needs to be. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you to be vegan. I am chill. Im just pointing out the misleadingness of calling it easy. You could say its easier than some think, but it still takes more effort than not being vegan or perhaps you could say you yourself find it easy in your opinion, but that does not mean everyone would be fine with your level of concept of what you think is easy. kawaiiyuris said: fam lol. 1) you're wrong 2) you're treating me like i'm wrong at best, and embarrassingly ignorant at worst. which doesn't sit well with a vain bitch like me so i'm just gonna turn my nose up here get properly educated, it's not my job. start up with that book i recommended when you have time. or even just google the things you're talking about, pretty sure that will be enough to realise the point you're making isn't actually accurate. have fun have a nice day etc 1. You say I am wrong yet provide no explanation of basis for that. Do you even know what you are arguing against? All I did was answer your question on what are some nutrients that arent really in plant based foods. That is literally it. Then the next line which you removed here I pointed out how there are negative health effects. That later statement is entirely based off of scientific research. 2. You're the one who called me wrong, like literally the previous sentence. You cant try to force someone to read a whole book before talking to you when thy already have other sources of information. from what i see you're not informed enough for me to take seriously. is that arrogant? absolutely. i just genuinely don't care. there's people in here taking this thread seriously and what not but i don't expect at all that anything i say, no matter how accurate, will actually make an impact on the wonderful population of myanimelist dot net, so i'm just taking the piss. and yeah i removed the line after because it was concerning someone else's comment? as for ~health concerns of veganism~ yeah obviously there are. like with every other way of eating. if you're not eating healthy you're gonna fuck up your heath. duuuh. and not all vegans are healthy, some people still stuff themselves with junk food or don't get in enough calories. a proper plant based diet is the healthiest thing you can do to your body. |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
kawaiiyuris said: Clebardman said: lolzyThe thread asks for people's opinion on vegans, not the reasons why vegans are awesome or why people who eat meat are all ignorant and cruel bastards. But of course since we're talking 'bout veganism it didn't take long (a page) before it got derailed. Yeah, it's a listing thread. an opinion thread asks precisely for opinions on vegans. so if someone thinks vegans are awesome they're supposed to say it. it is the literal point of the thread. the ~shitfest~ started when people posted factually wrong opinions, were corrected, then flipped shit. or when people flat out insulted vegetarians/vegans. stop twisting what happened out of a personal dislike for a group of people, this is some immahnoob level bullshit and you're better than that fam Tsss... I've seen this debate a billion times. No, I have no particular dislike for vegans. I'm not going to go any further in that discussion because I lost interest a long time ago, but I'll just say this: I worked in various farms in my life, and I'll switch to veganism the day agriculture becomes a reasonnable and responsible industry. I must also say that studies on the subject are pretty much all biased and/or misinterpreted anyway. With so much money on the table, it's safe to say nobody cares about your health that much. |
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CondemneDio said: Meat smells like shit when someone's cooking it, too. I get physically fucking nauseated when I can smell meat. |
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Clebardman said: the day agriculture becomes a reasonnable and responsible industry. ??? What do you mean by this, I'm genuinely curious? Meat industry is part of agriculture too :D |
CondemneDio said: Clebardman said: the day agriculture becomes a reasonnable and responsible industry. ??? What do you mean by this, I'm genuinely curious? Meat industry is part of agriculture too :D Yeah, but I also have the feeling that you're misunderstanding on purpose. |
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Clebardman said: CondemneDio said: ??? What do you mean by this, I'm genuinely curious? Meat industry is part of agriculture too :D Yeah, but I also have the feeling that you're misunderstanding on purpose. No seriously dude. If agriculture is not respectable, shouldn't you not eat anything at all? You're not making much sense here :( |
| Well, raising cattle for meat costs a lot of resources, but I can't imagine my life without actual meat. Plus, I find the whole movement kinda stupid. As for becoming one myself, being a vegetarian of vegan means you need to have a tight control over your diet, and I know for a fact that I couldn't keep that up for long. |
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CondemneDio said: No seriously dude. If agriculture is not respectable, shouldn't you not eat anything at all? You're not making much sense here :( No, you're the one making zero sense. OFC I eat, otherwise I'd die. But if you think Monsanto is going to save the world with mutant, sterile and cloned corn, fertilizers, pesticides and monoculture, you're wrong. |
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CondemneDio said: What do you mean by this, I'm genuinely curious? Meat industry is part of agriculture too :D I think he means the way that some animals are treated when they are being grown for food, and how they are constantly being administered antibiotics to make up for poor breeding and living conditions. This highly increases the chance of creating an antibiotic-resistant bacteria. |
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