Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? (light novel)
SAO or DanMachi?
Sword art online
14.0%
83
Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru Darou ka
50.4%
299
None
14.8%
88
Both
20.7%
123
593 votes
Lil-Bird said: LauraBirdie said: I actually enjoy Danmachi and like most of its characters.... and in SAO I couldn't stand most of the characters, Kirito and his harem ruined it for me ^ This. His harem didn't have good enough reasons for why they liked Kirito. At least Bell has qualities and traits that make him likeable, and the girls aren't falling head-over-heels from him in their introductory episodes, or it had been established from the start they liked him and then we get to see why. -He freaking saved every single one of them~ -Strong, cool, gentle, reliable, caring, -doesn't 'look' like your average guy i suppose... makes him kinda special/standing out compared to others -Can freakin' dualwield Heavy long Sword with Style, well lol dunno if it is the one that matters the most~ ~can be considered cons: ain't a bodybuilder, not rich, not from a royal family or someone important or someone popular, doesn't play an instrument nor is a singer~ So what do you think is supposed to make you likeable?~ Bell is quite skilled and got some style and he is a gentle innocent simple-minded boy which makes him kinda cute and loveable as it is but cannot grant him any leadership. btw forgiving Lili and all is good they aren't bad people after all so just forgiving those kind of guys doesn't make you an idiot or a simple-minded by itself Waiting for him to be confronted to humans instead of monsters~ And curious to see how he will turn out(or not) in the end~ So if i have to choose i'll go for kirito 'cuz he is too d4rk and god knows i love rain falling from a fully clouded sky on those ignorant mongrels pedestrians who didn''t see it coming (~￣▽￣)~ whitout any wind though, wind sux~ and that would be too sadistic~ We could add Shirou(Fate) as a special case for the Saints nuns type who want to save the broken&voided one though i don't know if this is the first reason why Rin stick with him. What about a shitty thread about 'why that girl likes that MC?' if some are that interested to know~ btw this reminds me i'd like to know why Lancer is that popular in the fanbase~ Btw(#number three) i see why sao and danmachi would be compared #[two strong guy hero-like-attitude having natural style&skill dualwielding showing great determination and rage when he or friends are threatened], though Bell is an agi type 'innocent idiot' who has yet to experience anything and would not want to be hurt, Kirito a str+agi 'dark cool attitude slackingoff-liker lonewolf social group avoider' one and is willing to sacrifice dodge and defense for more effectiveness in achieving something, -but wanting to bash a show for another is kinda lame. |
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Lap1 said: -He freaking saved every single one of them~ Hardly. And without hugfe risks, since he was levelling against monsters far below in level, which usually, in any other game, wouldn't have given to him any xp point. Lap1 said: -Can freakin' dualwield Heavy long Sword with Style, well lol dunno if it is the one that matters the most~ that's inside a game. Which remove any forms of coolness it could have. He just got a cheat skill that no one else got and cheat with it. Hardly cool. Since when being a game otaku was considered cool insde our society? especially a cheating one >_< |
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Lil-Bird said: LauraBirdie said: I actually enjoy Danmachi and like most of its characters.... and in SAO I couldn't stand most of the characters, Kirito and his harem ruined it for me ^ This. His harem didn't have good enough reasons for why they liked Kirito. At least Bell has qualities and traits that make him likeable, and the girls aren't falling head-over-heels from him in their introductory episodes, or it had been established from the start they liked him and then we get to see why. Oh please the same reasons females are after Bell are literally the same reasons Kirito got his harem. Plus likable==better character. That's not the sole criteria. "It's been established from the start they liked him" who? Aiz? No Lili? No Syr and other irrelevant characters? Maybe. Majority are practically just thirsty because of his stats including Aiz(Whos been a big disappointment) |
| Bell and Kirito have the hero seed. By implanting it inside various ladies, they can produce more hero babies to save their respective worlds from teh disasters. |
| I still prefer Danmachi because it has much better developed ensemble characters and real sense of how MMO (party system, monster, weapons) supposed to be like. I also like how Danmachi actually gives the MC training arc (which is a rarity nowadays), and some small side plots to make friends, forge weapons and armor, exploring the dungeons, etc; all those fun stuff that i generally identify MMO with. Stuff that SAO didn't even bother with due to how much time wasted to glorify Kirito. |
Amiluhur said: I still prefer Danmachi because it has much better developed ensemble characters and real sense of how MMO (party system, monster, weapons) supposed to be like. I also like how Danmachi actually gives the MC training arc (which is a rarity nowadays), and some small side plots to make friends, forge weapons and armor, exploring the dungeons, etc; all those fun stuff that i generally identify MMO with. Stuff that SAO didn't even bother with due to how much time wasted to glorify Kirito. I understand what you mean here, but the irony is when you think that SAO is about a MMO whereas Danmachi isn't. |
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| Thanks but no. I'd rather judge things based on what the anime show me. Sitting through source material simply to prove a point is a chore that completely negates the very point of entertainment itself. Beside, i doubt reading the LN would solve my general problem about SAO. Namely, its underdeveloped ensemble cast and lack of more conventional MMO elements. |
| Welf - shown as a very good blacksmith with interesting past and actual role in combat. A very good sidekick for Bell. Compared to bland and buttmonkey-ish Klein from SAO. And yes, Lili. Whilst i find her past too melodramatic for my taste. She's got much more interesting development, actual struggle to come out of her shitty past, and sense of genuine attachment towards Bell. Compared to super bland Silica and Lisbeth combined. Doesn't help that both of their character developments completely stop once their designated arcs end. And Aiz, i dunno. Not really caring much about her. I also prefer Hestia over Asuna. She can create much more interesting dynamic when other girls are around with her overly possessive and pushy attitude. By comparison, when Asuna is around, other girls will go away. And that's just talking individually. If these people are grouped together in a party, i bet they'd create much more interesting dynamic with their own quirky personalities. By comparison, if you group together everyone in Kirito's group, the result is numbingly boring (don't believe me? watch the yawn-worthy episode 15 of SAO II then) Also, despite having over 50 episodes, it's sad that the only characters in SAO that actually grew in me are only Kirito, Lyfa, Asuna, and Sinon. The same amount of characters that Danmachi accomplish in mere 10 episodes. |
AmiluhurJun 15, 2015 9:29 AM
| none of them |
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| SAO's animation and quality was really good, just SAO itself was trash. DanMachi is okay by itself but the adaption is so rushed, that it's hard to watch. |
| they are completely different :/ |
After I Crush Your Dreams...... Your Bones Will Follow...... |
HandsomeMan said: I'll vote none since that option exists. But if I to compare then the first season of SAO + GGO I found enjoyable, so in that case SAO > this show. HOWEVER, those 2 arcs after GGO are just so horrible, I can't describe it, such cancer-producing BS... full of papa, onii-chan, other cheesy dialouge, stupid melodrama of some random girl who has a terminal illness which just makes it so cringe-worthy, fosucing on the worst character in the show (asuna), forgetting about kirito and forgetting about all other female characters. I mean what the hell am I watching? I'm talking about mother rosaria and that other filler arc. Those ruined the series for me. What a stupid decision from the writer to create those garbage arcs. Funny how your opinion is meaningless since the Mother's Rosario arc was one of the best received, most popular, and best selling arcs in the series. |
| Log Horizon.. :) well I like Danmachi but nowhere near SAO1.. |
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| SAO is superior in every way. Bell is an idiot "oh, you robbed me and tried to murder me, that's okay!" who is just ridiculously badly written "oh, I'm only level 2, I'm too weak to get past the boss... but I can blow him up when he's 100x stronger and no one else can hurt him!" As ridiculously OP as Kirito is presented as, he never spontaneously slaughters raid bosses that should be hundreds of times too powerful for him "just because the writer can't be bothered to make sense." |
| You aren't going to get a very clearcut answer when you're posting this in DanMachi's subforum. |
Dark_Messiah said: Log Horizon.. :) well I like Danmachi but nowhere near SAO1.. .Hack ;) Actually Hunter x Hunter Greed Island arc. Log Horizon had so much filler and the quality of the art was so bad it really needs to be edited down and redrawn. |
| DanMachi by a MILE! So, I do acknowledge that they are similar anime.... BUT, I'll take Bell over Kirito any day, and I'll also take Aiz over Ms. Damsel in Distress and Ryu is probably better than everyone in SAO put together. And even after all that, we still have Hestia....which YES, she is STILL Bestia... As for story wise, SAO kills me with the infamous ultimate HAX that they pulled. It's one thing for an individual character to be filled with HAX (and obviously both series have said character) but for the story itself to do what SAO did? Nah, I'm not ever forgetting that. But overall, DanMachi is just more fun, more entertaining, and it's NOT a game world, this is their real world....add to that the whole Mythical gods thing, and I find it even more intriguing. Lol at the Poll....it looks like DanMachi is giving the finger..... |
Sokah said: SAO is superior in every way. Bell is an idiot "oh, you robbed me and tried to murder me, that's okay!" who is just ridiculously badly written "oh, I'm only level 2, I'm too weak to get past the boss... but I can blow him up when he's 100x stronger and no one else can hurt him!" As ridiculously OP as Kirito is presented as, he never spontaneously slaughters raid bosses that should be hundreds of times too powerful for him "just because the writer can't be bothered to make sense." You're the one not making sense here. that scene is the same as a "we have a powerful canon that can destroy it, nothing else manage to destroy it. But we need a lot of time charging it, so please stop that thing to reach the canon whil it charges". When the canon fire in the end, do peoples thinks that the canon did the whole job and congrats the canon, or the peoples who successfully managed to keep a completely overpowered enemy for that long successfully? Even the author himself give all the credit to the later in this fight, so why are you so adamant to give it to the former? Because it's better that way since you can criticise the show? Kirito can SOLO a boss. Bell needs 500 peoples to help him,a nd those who did most of the job are not Bell. Bell alone against the boss would die in a matter of second. But yeah, keep talking trash without making sense, seriously. |
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| DanMachi. SAO involved too much unnecessary drama (trapped in a death game, wanting to go back to the "real world"). That being said, the death match and being trapped in "another world" was the main selling point of SAO for me, it just wasn't the same. DanMachi is more straight forward and appeals to my inner kid more. |
| JoJo>>>>>>>>>>>>>SHIT=DANMACHI=URMOM=SAO i pick danmachi because why not |
LittorioJun 27, 2015 3:13 AM
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| DanMachi is the obvious winner. |
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Zefyris said: Sokah said: SAO is superior in every way. Bell is an idiot "oh, you robbed me and tried to murder me, that's okay!" who is just ridiculously badly written "oh, I'm only level 2, I'm too weak to get past the boss... but I can blow him up when he's 100x stronger and no one else can hurt him!" As ridiculously OP as Kirito is presented as, he never spontaneously slaughters raid bosses that should be hundreds of times too powerful for him "just because the writer can't be bothered to make sense." You're the one not making sense here. that scene is the same as a "we have a powerful canon that can destroy it, nothing else manage to destroy it. But we need a lot of time charging it, so please stop that thing to reach the canon whil it charges". When the canon fire in the end, do peoples thinks that the canon did the whole job and congrats the canon, or the peoples who successfully managed to keep a completely overpowered enemy for that long successfully? Even the author himself give all the credit to the later in this fight, so why are you so adamant to give it to the former? Because it's better that way since you can criticise the show? Kirito can SOLO a boss. Bell needs 500 peoples to help him,a nd those who did most of the job are not Bell. Bell alone against the boss would die in a matter of second. But yeah, keep talking trash without making sense, seriously. Kirito can solo a boss that 2 or 3 people would normally be required to fight. Bell on the other hand outdamaged an entire raid in one hit. Every other adventurer there was giving their best and all of them combined, even when they charged up their power in unison, even being higher level, or used up one shot items they'd been saving for emergencies, couldn't come anywhere close to what Bell did. Kirito is OP because he's doing the equivalent of bringing a gun to a knife fight. Bell is OP because he's bringing an entire nuclear arsenal. Seriously dude. Seriously. Figure it out already. |
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idungoof said: robis798 said: I actually don't know from where this persistent comparison to SAO comes from. Can't tell if srs. I think, he is serious. The similarities of SAO and Danmachi are superficial at best. If anything, Danmachi reminds me of Tower of Druaga. |
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TheBigGuy said: idungoof said: Can't tell if srs. I think, he is serious. The similarities of SAO and Danmachi are superficial at best. Exactly. Why not comparing lord of the rings with SAO too while we're at it? i mean, some characters have long ears all the same. And there's magic and sword, woohoo so similar~ Such shallow references~ The LN closest to danmachi in its concept (single dungeon crawling with several games mechanisms applied to a real fantasy world) is "Yuusha, aruiwa bakemono to yobareta shoujo" (except that Yuusha is leagues better as a MC than Bell will ever be, but can't have everything right). SAO is about a game that has elements from reality, not the contrary. That makes a huge difference, especially since most of the story in danmachi isn't about the dungeon but about the town it is in and its inhabitants. Several volumes have basically 0 to one scenes happening in the dungeon. If you want lots of dungeon fights, its spin of sword oratoria is far closer of that. tragedylover said: gum_drop said: Danmachi over that piece of trash anime any day Shironeko- said: SAO SUCKS more hate plz SAO s3 is coming so BURN if you make a thread about boku no pico vs SAO , im sure that boku no pico will win sao is the most hated anime on mal I'll be honest here : I don't care. This isn't SAO boards, please keep your talk about that show for the appropriate forums . Especially since VS threads aren't allowed. |
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Takala said: they are completely different :/ +1 |
| What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about? |
jbeat said: I only like first arc of SAO when they were still trapped in the game. Its gone downhill after that. SAO but only episode 1-14 if SAO whole episodes vs Danmachi then none of them. it's so stupid bc there are too many girls. fuck that shit. hestia and asuna are such a waste of waifu. |
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| SAO is better by the miles in quality of story and characters. But this one is really entertaining. All 2015 shows i watched till now were great. But, on topic. The only thing i dislike a lot of in this show is that its lack of story. We have seen 13 episodes of dungeon raiding and one bad guy(girl) in background. If we look at this season as the setup of characters for season 2, 3 then its great but season 1 storywise is weak. |
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| Wow, Danmachi has over 50% of the votes? (I wonder what would happen with the same thread on the SAO board?) Danmachi was barely watchable. It had no drama and was mostly boring. SAO, even with it's trainwreck of beyond-episode-14, is much better. Suspense, story telling, general directing, it's just better in every way. I'm not a fan of Kirito, but Bell was just annoying. |
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genesic123 said: BurntJelly said: Wow, Danmachi has over 50% of the votes? (I wonder what would happen with the same thread on the SAO board?) Danmachi was barely watchable. It had no drama and was mostly boring. SAO, even with it's trainwreck of beyond-episode-14, is much better. Suspense, story telling, general directing, it's just better in every way. I'm not a fan of Kirito, but Bell was just annoying. SAO SUSUPENSE LOL BIGGEST JOKE OF THE CENTURY instead of clearing the dungeon all we see is so many stupid asuna x kirito moments.lame "mysteries".And don't get me started on the fishing. what is suspense when Jesus KUN rises from the dead? Even bell had many actual close fights and did not do what others can't do.Despite that argonout skill, he still needs so much help from others. He is still underpowered by this universe standards. The point of Danmachi is to reach the deepest floor, and at least they stuck with it. And the girls have some actual character.The friend dude is not a joke like klein Its seems this is fanboy fight. Yea, all character in this show has so much spirit that you think they are actually real. And that character development. Oh my, best i have ever seen. And Aiz, such a character. Man, the girls in this anime are 101 harem girls. Loli girl, tsundere girl, the one that rarely speaks, another tsundere and one perfect girl. SAO on other hand never had real harem like this one had, it was romance from start till the end. This MC definitely can do stuff others cant do. The fastest level up was over an year yet he leveled up in 1 month, he can one shot monsters with his super strong power. Oh, he got dagger that gets stronger when he gets stronger (only one in the world) and he has only blacksmith that can create magic items in the world. But hey, he is grandson of Zeus so its alright. Kirito is the same thing, all skill related. We were told that there is stone that can resurrect dead players 10 seconds after the death. His and Asuna death were few seconds before game clear so they were not really registered as dead. True, he is strong but he still couldnt deal with everything solo. Again, who cares about clearing the dungeon, we need story and not just random monsters fights. No drama, no suspense, the story in this show is not even worth mentioning because its nonexistent. |
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NaCro said: Its seems this is fanboy fight. Yea, all character in this show has so much spirit that you think they are actually real. And that character development. Oh my, best i have ever seen. And Aiz, such a character. Man, the girls in this anime are 101 harem girls. Loli girl, tsundere girl, the one that rarely speaks, another tsundere and one perfect girl. SAO on other hand never had real harem like this one had, it was romance from start till the end. This MC definitely can do stuff others cant do. The fastest level up was over an year yet he leveled up in 1 month, he can one shot monsters with his super strong power. Oh, he got dagger that gets stronger when he gets stronger (only one in the world) and he has only blacksmith that can create magic items in the world. But hey, he is grandson of Zeus so its alright. Kirito is the same thing, all skill related. We were told that there is stone that can resurrect dead players 10 seconds after the death. His and Asuna death were few seconds before game clear so they were not really registered as dead. True, he is strong but he still couldnt deal with everything solo. Again, who cares about clearing the dungeon, we need story and not just random monsters fights. No drama, no suspense, the story in this show is not even worth mentioning because its nonexistent. LOL dude this post had me rolling from laughter |
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| I am SAO fan, i never said im not. :S They just bought him time while he was charging his super op ability. Hestia said that this ability is perfect for one that wants to be a hero, that spell can one shot anything. Can you tell what unreasonable crap did Kirito do? Auto hack game when he is down? What that means? Divine Stone of Returning Soul Stone, did you even watch anime? It seems you watched it just so you can trash it later, without paying attention to anything so there is no point in discussing SAO with you. |
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| I might have still sided with SAO but after the utter disaster of a cringeworthy drama that Mother's Rosario was.... ehhh I think I prefer Danmachi overall at this point. Also Bell and Hestia make up an infinitely better main duo than Kirito and Asuna (or Shino if you want) |
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BurntJelly said: Wow, Danmachi has over 50% of the votes? (I wonder what would happen with the same thread on the SAO board?) Danmachi was barely watchable. It had no drama and was mostly boring. The backstories of Lili, Welf and Ryu do not count as drama, or what? What a joke. |
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genesic123 said: BurntJelly said: Wow, Danmachi has over 50% of the votes? (I wonder what would happen with the same thread on the SAO board?) Danmachi was barely watchable. It had no drama and was mostly boring. SAO, even with it's trainwreck of beyond-episode-14, is much better. Suspense, story telling, general directing, it's just better in every way. I'm not a fan of Kirito, but Bell was just annoying. SAO SUSUPENSE LOL BIGGEST JOKE OF THE CENTURY instead of clearing the dungeon all we see is so many stupid asuna x kirito moments.lame "mysteries".And don't get me started on the fishing. what is suspense when Jesus KUN rises from the dead? Even bell had many actual close fights and did not do what others can't do.Despite that argonout skill, he still needs so much help from others. He is still underpowered by this universe standards. The point of Danmachi is to reach the deepest floor, and at least they stuck with it. And the girls have some actual character.The friend dude is not a joke like klein + 1 |
| You're a louse, Roger Smith. - R. Dorothy Wayneright This is my fight! No Senpai, this is our fight! - Kojou Akatsuki & Yukina Himeragi |
| Just finished Dan Machi and I really enjoyed it. Have to admit Hestia definitely sells the show. Wouldn't be worth watching if she wasn't in it. Didn't expect much from this series, it's another MMO-esque anime. There's quite a few of those recently so the idea has been pretty stale for a while. Still, I ended up enjoying it much more than I expected and it ended just when things began to get interesting. Hoping there's a second season. So definitely DanMachi for me. I couldn't get past episode 9 of SAO, so this is a pretty easy choice. |
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HaXXspetten said: I might have still sided with SAO but after the utter disaster of a cringeworthy drama that Mother's Rosario was.... ehhh I think I prefer Danmachi overall at this point. Also Bell and Hestia make up an infinitely better main duo than Kirito and Asuna (or Shino if you want) From a non bias standpoint. Sinon and Kirito were massively better than Hestia and Bell. Their interactions weren't cringeworthy and their chemistry was actually good. I can't even see how you can get that impression that Hestia/Bell were a better duo. |
| DanMachi. Better harem, better characters and better plot. |
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TheGrandSage23 said: HaXXspetten said: I might have still sided with SAO but after the utter disaster of a cringeworthy drama that Mother's Rosario was.... ehhh I think I prefer Danmachi overall at this point. Also Bell and Hestia make up an infinitely better main duo than Kirito and Asuna (or Shino if you want) From a non bias standpoint. Sinon and Kirito were massively better than Hestia and Bell. Their interactions weren't cringeworthy and their chemistry was actually good. I can't even see how you can get that impression that Hestia/Bell were a better duo. In which way is the interaction between Bell and Hestia cringeworthy? Okay, she is a bit overprotective and overly jealous. But, that is understandable, because he was the first child of her familia and she is romantically interested in him. I like SAO also, but relationships are better handled in Danmachi in my opinion. |
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