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amc9988 said: AsadaShino said: even if he/she hates liz for the wrong reasons just let her/him no need to prove her/him wrong Ohh, so the reason that I hate Liz because she's a drama queen is wrong? Everyone can hate a character for any reason they like. It's opinion based. Like how I love Inori from GC for her cold, emotionless character, and some people hate her for that same reason because they think she's boring. ugh, did i just involved in another argument? no, i never meant that reason, you said it quite clearly how you hate liz because how stupidly easy she fell in love and how she cried when she found out about asuna and kirito their both logical fallacies, its like saying that all girls who fall in love and fancy a guy for the right reasons (handsome,strong,kind,caring) are stupid and all girls who cry after being crushed are stupid kaze has been saying that in his own way, the reasons why she fell in love and how girls can fall in love in under a day so its false when you say she is stupid because of those reasons and is essentially a horrible character because of that, i don't think he said anything about drama queens <_< he was essentially right, but being a dick about as usual -____- just letting you know your digging your own grave by carrying on the argument and adding even more false points where he can bash you kaze is the kind of guy who finds the holes in an argument, sticks dynamite in it and blows it to pieces, your basically repairing the argument when it will only end up with more holes he can blow i recommend you try finding holes in his argument and then giving him the facts but its pointless when he rarely makes any errors, i got lucky on that last argument tbh |
kamikaze_1996 said: amc9988 said: Oh, FYI this IS a harem, or should I say it's own its way to become one.If you read the web ver side story called "there's only one but ultimate way" you'll know what I mean. And when I said your standards of logic is different with mine, I mean in my standard, It's not logic for a girl to fall in love that easily. For example in Silica's case, she fell in love with Kirito just because he smiled at her and help her once. That is stupid, and in Liz's case the "reason" she fell in love is again not logic and can only happen in a fairytale (hey this is an anime). And again it's not logic that she felt so sad like the world is going to end just for a half and day feeling, especially when she THINK she fell in love with him. I'm sure you have read the novel right? So you should know by reading her inner thought how she act like a drama queen for a half and day feelings. Ahh~ it's really hard to talk with someone who thinks his logic is the only right thing in the world~ im not talking about logic dumbass im talking about facts wrong again, read the genres again, ITS ROMANCE not HAREM dumbass, theres a clear difference false, thats the web version unreleased with the official novels, saying that is part of the official story is like saying 16.5 is when its clearly not fact, its possible for girls to fall in love, even more possible for girls to have crushes, your making it out like its impossible for liz to fall in love and get heartbroken YOU CAN HATE LIZ BUT QUIT BULLSHITTIN ABOUT FALSE POINTS WHICH AREN'T TRUE Hmmm... Facts huh? So... an anime where almost all the girls falls in love with the male lead is not a harem...? Sure MAL didn't tag it as a harem, but it's still one nevertheless, it just not focused on the harem part that's why it didn't get tag as one. And okay, the girls can fall in love for whatever reason they want. I'll admit that, but it's still... how should I say this without the "S","F", and "L" word... annoying? Like how every girl that Kirito helps fell for him. It's like how I said before that the author want Kirito to become one of those guy otakus dream to become? I don't really mind if this only happened rarely, but it's not and it will continue this way, that's why I said it's not logic.... ummm facts... oh well whatever. But I still stand with how Liz act when she found out Kirito and Asuna knows each other was overdone. It still not logic, I can understand that she act like that if she's in love with him for maybe a week or a month, but half and day? I'll call that bullshit. Facts? Logic? Yeah... maybe they are facts to you but definitely not for everyone. |
amc9988 said: Hmmm... Facts huh? So... an anime where almost all the girls falls in love with the male lead is not a harem...? Sure MAL didn't tag it as a harem, but it's still one nevertheless, it just not focused on the harem part that's why it didn't get tag as one. And okay, the girls can fall in love for whatever reason they want. I'll admit that, but it's still... how should I say this without the "S","F", and "L" word... annoying? Like how every girl that Kirito helps fell for him. It's like how I said before that the author want Kirito to become one of those guy otakus dream to become? I don't really mind if this only happened rarely, but it's not and it will continue this way, that's why I said it's not logic.... ummm facts... oh well whatever. But I still stand with how Liz act when she found out Kirito and Asuna knows each other was overdone. It still not logic, I can understand that she act like that if she's in love with him for maybe a week or a month, but half and day? I'll call that bullshit. Facts? Logic? Yeah... maybe they are facts to you but definitely not for everyone. your seriously digging your grave now, i can already imagine kaze ripping this to shreds with pleasure, please don't give him the satisfaction first things first, even the LN isn't tagged with a harem tag even though its 9 volumes, im sorry to say but your wrong AGAIN, it IS NOT a harem series, im afraid thats a fact kaze seriously stated he's right regardless of your opinion on what is harem or not. even i would have to agree that SAO doesn't have the qualities that a harem series has and thus has never been regarded as such the same thing about what the author said is a fact, he never meant for the girls to fall for kirito and therefore glorifying kirito in a way that otaku nerds would like him, saying that he did is false everything else is opinion based, he doesn't care about opinions and simply destroys the false statements that aren't true i can already imagine him laughing in his chair or wherever he is when he sees "Facts? Logic? Yeah... maybe they are facts to you but definitely not for everyone" facts are facts, it don't matter what everyone thinks of it, thats the basis of this world if you deny it, it will only make you look like an idiot come on, your playing into his hands T_T |
| I agree with both AsadaShiino and kamikaze_1996. But I still need to say something: Stop being a child. Seriously. If you don't understand what I mean, you all can re-read everything you've wrote since the start of this. Just look how stupid you look trying to defend yourselfes. Facts, and facts and more facts. That is all you know to point out? Someone can't hate because it's wrong, you all know this is a stupid affirmative itself. I believe we should stop this, you all aren't getting anywhere. This isn't even a discussion anymore. Also, some of you should read more about harem. It will help. |
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| Cool episode, Lizbeth just got friend zoned? Well she just got unlucky falling for the guy her friend also likes.. But I'd also like to have a personal blacksmith like her! :D |
| Oh great, the necessary tsundere who fell in love with the MC in a day! Could we move on to the plot now please? 3/5. Some good reaction images though. Edit: at least the main character realized what was going on, that's a plus I guess. |
| Just relax, this episode is rushed, that's the fact which cannot be denied and leave a bad taste for those who seek out in-depth character development. The novel is much more clearer when portraying character's emotions by words. The anime skipped too much time which make liz's feelings for kirito became unnatural. But tbh It is still acceptable, you can call it "love at first sight" - you only need minutes to fall in love with a person. Either way, Liz actually spent 1day adventuring with kirito, been through dangerous situations where she could only rely on kirito, and the two spent the night talk about their past, their purposes in life. All of those made Liz fall in love with kirito. 1 day, in contrast with 10minute in the anime version, figure it out yourself. This episode isn't good as it seems to be, but I still enjoy it cause Liz was portrayed well. And dear god, this show is definitely a harem show, when more than 2 females have a crush on the main character, and believe me, I've watched enough of romance, drama show to tell you that. Even Clannad is a harem show, it doesn't matter whether or not the main char chooses only 1 girl as his partner. |
Vforvendetta said: Just relax, this episode is rushed, that's the fact which cannot be denied and leave a bad taste for those who seek out in-depth character development. The novel is much more clearer when portraying character's emotions by words. The anime skipped too much time which make liz's feelings for kirito became unnatural. But tbh It is still acceptable, you can call it "love at first sight" - you only need minutes to fall in love with a person. Either way, Liz actually spent 1day adventuring with kirito, been through dangerous situations where she could only rely on kirito, and the two spent the night talk about their past, their purposes in life. All of those made Liz fall in love with kirito. 1 day, in contrast with 10minute in the anime version, figure it out yourself. This episode isn't good as it seems to be, but I still enjoy it cause Liz was portrayed well. And dear god, this show is definitely a harem show, when more than 2 females have a crush on the main character, and believe me, I've watched enough of romance, drama show to tell you that. Even Clannad is a harem show, it doesn't matter whether or not the main char chooses only 1 girl as his partner. Finally someone who can make a point without slashing everyone else. I still don't believe it's a harem, but you clearly made more sense than most of us there. |
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AsadaShino said: amc9988 said: Hmmm... Facts huh? So... an anime where almost all the girls falls in love with the male lead is not a harem...? Sure MAL didn't tag it as a harem, but it's still one nevertheless, it just not focused on the harem part that's why it didn't get tag as one. And okay, the girls can fall in love for whatever reason they want. I'll admit that, but it's still... how should I say this without the "S","F", and "L" word... annoying? Like how every girl that Kirito helps fell for him. It's like how I said before that the author want Kirito to become one of those guy otakus dream to become? I don't really mind if this only happened rarely, but it's not and it will continue this way, that's why I said it's not logic.... ummm facts... oh well whatever. But I still stand with how Liz act when she found out Kirito and Asuna knows each other was overdone. It still not logic, I can understand that she act like that if she's in love with him for maybe a week or a month, but half and day? I'll call that bullshit. Facts? Logic? Yeah... maybe they are facts to you but definitely not for everyone. your seriously digging your grave now, i can already imagine kaze ripping this to shreds with pleasure, please don't give him the satisfaction first things first, even the LN isn't tagged with a harem tag even though its 9 volumes, im sorry to say but your wrong AGAIN, it IS NOT a harem series, im afraid thats a fact kaze seriously stated he's right regardless of your opinion on what is harem or not. even i would have to agree that SAO doesn't have the qualities that a harem series has and thus has never been regarded as such the same thing about what the author said is a fact, he never meant for the girls to fall for kirito and therefore glorifying kirito in a way that otaku nerds would like him, saying that he did is false everything else is opinion based, he doesn't care about opinions and simply destroys the false statements that aren't true i can already imagine him laughing in his chair or wherever he is when he sees "Facts? Logic? Yeah... maybe they are facts to you but definitely not for everyone" facts are facts, it don't matter what everyone thinks of it, thats the basis of this world if you deny it, it will only make you look like an idiot come on, your playing into his hands T_T dafuq you doing? i was seriously looking forward to seeing what he writes so i can bash him, you just sucked up the fun Niyawa said: I agree with both AsadaShiino and kamikaze_1996. But I still need to say something: Stop being a child. Seriously. If you don't understand what I mean, you all can re-read everything you've wrote since the start of this. Just look how stupid you look trying to defend yourselfes. Facts, and facts and more facts. That is all you know to point out? Someone can't hate because it's wrong, you all know this is a stupid affirmative itself. I believe we should stop this, you all aren't getting anywhere. This isn't even a discussion anymore. Also, some of you should read more about harem. It will help. ugh, not this child crap again, haven't you realised what i said on the most of the posts with asada are trolls, i was just having a bit of fun and then suddenly she takes it seriously and had me trolled, if thats what you childish then i call it having a laugh facts are the only things which you can't deny, what would you do? have an argument of opinion? thats basically a shouting match, everyone has their own separate opinions but facts are facts regardless of anyones opinion someone can hate using their opinion on the matter but its stupid when they bring in false points and incorrect information, im just simply pointing these out and making those haters look ridiculous, its amusing to me when they carry on making false statements which aren't true at all a proper hater would find actual flaws with the show, not just go and on about their opinion e.g. when i talked about the plothole when they skydived and suddenly survived but hey, i was proved wrong <_< and for the love of god, not this whole harem crap, the LN isn't tagged as a harem as it doesn't have the specified qualities to become one yet, however some people say it is because kirito is surrounded by females when the fact is that the LN is not even tagged as such and therefore isn't, regardless of how it looks |
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| If you don't believe me: these people are technically a part of kirito's harem ... And, the final proof ... [contain spoilers] --- As a hardcore SAO fan, you should have already read this chapter. http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Sword_Art_Online:There_is_but_one_ultimate_way ........................................................................................................ And if you want a harem tag, oh wait, there it is: http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=8692 Definition of harem: Harem anime is when three or more female characters that for some reason are in the presence of one male character as a central plot element. Generally, both the girls' looks and personalities vary a lot, and most of them are interested in the one guy. Sometimes, none of the girls are really interested at first, so the protagonist has to build relationships with them. Ecchi pretty much can't be avoided Oh wait, so does this show qualify to have harem as one of its genres? |
Takana_no_HanaAug 21, 2012 6:10 AM
kamikaze_1996 said: ugh, not this child crap again, haven't you realised what i said on the most of the posts with asada are trolls, i was just having a bit of fun and then suddenly she takes it seriously and had me trolled, if thats what you childish then i call it having a laugh facts are the only things which you can't deny, what would you do? have an argument of opinion? thats basically a shouting match, everyone has their own separate opinions but facts are facts regardless of anyones opinion someone can hate using their opinion on the matter but its stupid when they bring in false points and incorrect information, im just simply pointing these out and making those haters look ridiculous, its amusing to me when they carry on making false statements which aren't true at all a proper hater would find actual flaws with the show, not just go and on about their opinion e.g. when i talked about the plothole when they skydived and suddenly survived but hey, i was proved wrong <_< and for the love of god, not this whole harem crap, the LN isn't tagged as a harem as it doesn't have the specified qualities to become one yet, however some people say it is because kirito is surrounded by females when the fact is that the LN is not even tagged as such and therefore isn't, regardless of how it looks It's not a child crap, it's a child fact. Ba dum tss* Jokes aside, I didn't mean any harm to you. And at the same time the position that you put yourself in, when I meant that you just use facts as a point, it wasn't in the bad way, but the thing is: A fact can prove that a concept is true, but not an opinion. You keep going and going with "It's not a harem, because it's a fact, it's not tagged as harem so it's not." and that's wrong. Try listening a little to Vforvendetta, he made his point a little while ago, and he did have his proof and credibility, but what about you? You also keep going on about the LN, but what about the anime itself? Even though I want to support your position too, you just aren't helping yourself anymore. And I sincerely, feel sorry for that. To make my point more clear, I don't believe you're entirely wrong, but the way you keep trying to prove it using "facts" as excuse, it's not that all convincing. |
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| Kirito x Asuna or Kirito x Liz. I can't choose :p |
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| Oh great, so you wanna bash me huh, Kaze? I usually never get into this kind of arguments, because I like to have a low profile. But it really piss me off when someone denies other people opinion arguments simply because he/she thinks his arguments are a"facts". I saw how you try to deny an opinion with "facts". And you know what? My arguments still stand since, no matter how you look at it, the way Liz act during the end is overdone, that's the "fact". And god, this show is a harem, you don't always need a tag to know that. Does Pandora Hearts anime have any action,comedy tags in mal? No, although it has action and comedy. A proper hater would find actual flaws with the show You know, that's what I try to say from the beginning, the flaw in this episode are how unreal/overdone Liz reaction near the end for a half and day feelings (and if you read the LN about this part of the story you definitely know what I mean). But of course you don't even try to seethat because you are blinded by your "facts". |
amc9988Aug 21, 2012 6:49 AM
Vforvendetta said: Oh wait, so does this show qualify to have harem as one of its genres? Not a harem. It was all negated because of Asuna. You need the Protagonist to actually be indecisive to make it qualify as a harem. Also you know that in the end he only chose 1, where as in comparison with REAL harem animes the male protagonist will either be so fucking indecisive about it or just fuck them all. And That definition is biased, since it only looks at the amount of girls around the male protagonist, when we actually need to see the faithfulness of the male protagonist as well. |
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| Ahh, this was a good ep, but I felt sad for Lisbeth! ;__; |
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NNick said: kamikaze_1996 is the most hardcore SAO fangirl, isn't she? Blinded by the bias, how sweet. He's getting long-winded replies from easily offended people who take the internet too seriously. I'd say he's winning, yo. kaimax said: REAL harem animes the male protagonist will either be so fucking indecisive about it or just fuck them all. In a non-hentai anime? Sounds like it could be some funny shit, where the main character is some godlike player. |
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Vforvendetta said: Definition of harem: Harem anime is when three or more female characters that for some reason are in the presence of one male character as a central plot element. Generally, both the girls' looks and personalities vary a lot, and most of them are interested in the one guy. Sometimes, none of the girls are really interested at first, so the protagonist has to build relationships with them. Ecchi pretty much can't be avoided Oh wait, so does this show qualify to have harem as one of its genres? Without getting into all the argument earlier, let's assume you agree with the definition above since you posted it. SAO by that definition cannot be harem because they're not in the presence of Kirito as a central plot element. The plot doesn't resolve around them (as in Kono Naka ni Hitori, Imouto ga Iru!). The plot revolves around SAO and its accompanying arcs later on. Also, the fact that Kirito will end up with Asuna and remain faithful to her makes the harem argument a bit irrelevant. Harem, in non-ACG terms, denotes a situation where a man basically has the right to have sex with all of his women. It's far from the case if you choose one person and stick with her. If you have a girlfriend in real life and let's say there are two girls who like you, would you say that you now have a harem? No, because it sounds kind of absurd, right? By the way, "There is but an ultimate way" is a doujinshi work (albeit by the author himself), meaning it is non-canon. It's a terrible example to show why the series itself is harem. |
| This thread started to remind me of political debates. Talking the same stuff over and over, believing in your own "truth," but neither side has mroe proof than the other. Sweet. Let's throw my own few cents! This show does not seem to be a harem per se, but it is a "wishful fantasy," where game nerd is extremely popular and attracts fairer sex like a magnet. Weee, rage on me too. |
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BuliTM said: Let's throw my own few cents! This show does not seem to be a harem per se, but it is a "wishful fantasy," where game nerd is extremely popular and attracts fairer sex like a magnet. Weee, rage on me too. I think that's definitely a fair assessment. You can kind of see this in Accel World as well actually (from the same author). |
BuliTM said: Let's throw my own few cents! This show does not seem to be a harem per se, but it is a "wishful fantasy," where game nerd is extremely popular and attracts fairer sex like a magnet. Weee, rage on me too. Most of us agree that isn't a harem either, I think we can all settle this and hopefully no one brings it up again... like I did. Anyway- If there's something really bothering me is- they will fix the CG Dragon in the BDs, won't they? It looked awful, it was actually the thing I most disliked this episode. Deziah said: He's getting long-winded replies from easily offended people who take the internet too seriously. I'd say he's winning, yo. I don't believe it was a matter of "easily offended people", at least I myself never felt that way, this is a discussion board correct? He was trying to make a point, I was trying to make a point, everyone was. That would probably be more fitting in this situation: "SAO is shit, this is a harem, so shut up" I would get a little angry this way. |
NiyawaAug 21, 2012 12:16 PM
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| omg when did war break out |
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| Man, Kirito gets all the bitches. |
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| Yep confessing your love to someone whom you've just met. Sounds legit. Still I feel bad for Liz. |
kaimax said: tezann_t said: Harem is its sub-genre, not its main focus. Read the description again. You have to distinct between its main genres and its sub-genres. MAL only contains main genres of a show, meanwhile, anidb contains both main and sub genres at the same time, depending on its genres, a main genre can be bigger size, while the sub-genre is in a smaller font size. and obviously you didn't read the chapter I've posted: http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Sword_Art_Online:There_is_but_one_ultimate_way (posted again) Here are the text extracted which proven my point: summary: simply said, all of them dived in together and agree to marry kirito, and "it's not unfaithful to do so" - said Yui. Although this is a doujin which was written by the author himself, you cannot deny the facts (cause kamikaze likes to give facts and I follow his style) that the author also considered harem as one of SAO genre. In some point, he has to apologized for introducing so much female character and somehow forget about asuna, which is why vol 7 focused only on female protagonist - Asuna. I will say it once again, harem is not its main focus but it is its sub-genre, SAO has harem element but it doesn't revolve in-depth relationship between kirito and other female character(beside asuna) to make it actually a harem show. Another perfect example is Amagami SS: http://myanimelist.net/anime/8676/Amagami_SS No harem tag, only school romance, the mc chooses 1 girl each arc and he stays with her till the end. Is is considered as a harem? If you say no, think again. Read the first review by Archaeon. Now on the surface Amagami SS looks like the common or garden harem romantic comedy (but with the harem aspect applied in a different way). All clear now? When you have watched enough anime, you don't need tags to tell exactly what its genres are, seriously, because the person who gives tag to the anime itself is no different than a common anime watcher. Just like us. I have to give examples because there is the fact that my words don't sound convincing to a certain people at all. Edit: grammar mistakes fixed and more examples =). |
Takana_no_HanaAug 21, 2012 6:56 PM
ihateeveryone said: omg when did war break out When some anime only watcher felt butthurt over novel readers saying that the anime suck. The anime is shaming the novel, seriously. I'm not saying that for no reason but I guess that if I wrote a wall here nobody would give a shit and it would be forgotten in the internet's abyss so for those that think i'm wrong and want to discuss that matter do it on my profile. |
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NNick said: Deziah said: NNick said: kamikaze_1996 is the most hardcore SAO fangirl, isn't she? Blinded by the bias, how sweet. He's getting long-winded replies from easily offended people who take the internet too seriously. I'd say he's winning, yo. kaimax said: REAL harem animes the male protagonist will either be so fucking indecisive about it or just fuck them all. In a non-hentai anime? Sounds like it could be some funny shit, where the main character is some godlike player. Winning what? The contest of who's not delusional and who is? I'm bi-winning. Fixed. |
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Vforvendetta said: All clear now? When you have watched enough anime, you don't need tags to tell exactly what its genres are, seriously, because the person who gives tag to the anime itself is no different than a common anime watcher. Just like us. I have to give examples because there is the fact that my words don't sound convincing to a certain people at all. You know what? It's cool that we have separate opinions. I've voiced my view and you've done the same, so I don't think there's a point for us to carry on and try to convince one another because quite frankly this is a pointless discussion. Just to clarify though, I've read "There is but one ultimate way" before I posted and I'm not relying on the MAL tags to determine whether this is a harem series. I've seen harem series. I simply don't consider SAO one of them. But like I said, it's cool if you think otherwise. Hope it's all clear for you now. |
Vforvendetta said: If you don't believe me: these people are technically a part of kirito's harem ... And, the final proof ... [contain spoilers] --- As a hardcore SAO fan, you should have already read this chapter. http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Sword_Art_Online:There_is_but_one_ultimate_way ........................................................................................................ And if you want a harem tag, oh wait, there it is: http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=8692 Definition of harem: Harem anime is when three or more female characters that for some reason are in the presence of one male character as a central plot element. Generally, both the girls' looks and personalities vary a lot, and most of them are interested in the one guy. Sometimes, none of the girls are really interested at first, so the protagonist has to build relationships with them. Ecchi pretty much can't be avoided Oh wait, so does this show qualify to have harem as one of its genres? that has no basis v, there is but one only way is a web version and is an unofficial release, saying it is part of the real story is like saying 16.5 is, its entirely wrong i know what harem is, you don't need to give me a def, although he attracts a lot of girls, it IS NOT A CENTRAL PLOT ELEMENT, are the girls all intimate with kirito? are there many ecchi moments? hell no, you know better tha anyone who he loves and his together with, if he has girlfriend and isn't intimate with other girls, it nullifies the whole harem aspect and seriously? VFORVENDETTA LOOK AT THAT FUCKING SITE, IT HAS A GENRE TAGGED CALLED "SUDDEN GIRLFRIEND APPEARANCE" FOR CHRIST SAKE, you can't expect me to take that site seriously that website can be edited by any of the users, its like saying all the info on wiki is true MAL has moderators and people stopping people making false edits and its based on what is actually released, if there is a release on the novel where it says harem genre on it, they would tag it as such, and considering its been 9 volumes and hasn't been tagged it as such, its safe to assume that it isn't a harem even if it looks like one EXAMPLE: steins has okabe surrounded by girls and some of them have affection for him, is it a harem? no, even if it looks like one there are other examples of anime/LN that are like this amc9988 said: Oh great, so you wanna bash me huh, Kaze? I usually never get into this kind of arguments, because I like to have a low profile. But it really piss me off when someone denies other people opinion arguments simply because he/she thinks his arguments are a"facts". I saw how you try to deny an opinion with "facts". And you know what? My arguments still stand since, no matter how you look at it, the way Liz act during the end is overdone, that's the "fact". And god, this show is a harem, you don't always need a tag to know that. Does Pandora Hearts anime have any action,comedy tags in mal? No, although it has action and comedy. A proper hater would find actual flaws with the show You know, that's what I try to say from the beginning, the flaw in this episode are how unreal/overdone Liz reaction near the end for a half and day feelings (and if you read the LN about this part of the story you definitely know what I mean). But of course you don't even try to seethat because you are blinded by your "facts". im not gonna bother ripping you appart, you can thank Asada for taking the fun out of it its laughable at how all the haters are pissed at me and everyone is trying to prove the facts wrong Deziah said: NNick said: kamikaze_1996 is the most hardcore SAO fangirl, isn't she? Blinded by the bias, how sweet. He's getting long-winded replies from easily offended people who take the internet too seriously. I'd say he's winning, yo. kaimax said: REAL harem animes the male protagonist will either be so fucking indecisive about it or just fuck them all. In a non-hentai anime? Sounds like it could be some funny shit, where the main character is some godlike player. trolololol sounds like some awesome sex, his high strength level will end up destroying them though xD but in all seriousness, he is decisive, thats more than enough reason why this show isn't a harem |
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ihateeveryone said: omg when did war break out you can thank me later xDDD Vforvendetta said: kaimax said: tezann_t said: Harem is its sub-genre, not its main focus. Read the description again. You have to distinct between its main genres and its sub-genres. MAL only contains main genres of a show, meanwhile, anidb contains both main and sub genres at the same time, depending on its genres, a main genre can be bigger size, while the sub-genre is in a smaller font size. and obviously you didn't read the chapter I've posted: http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Sword_Art_Online:There_is_but_one_ultimate_way (posted again) Here are the text extracted which proven my point: summary: simply said, all of them dived in together and agree to marry kirito, and "it's not unfaithful to do so" - said Yui. Although this is a doujin which was written by the author himself, you cannot deny the facts (cause kamikaze likes to give facts and I follow his style) that the author also considered harem as one of SAO genre. In some point, he has to apologized for introducing so much female character and somehow forget about asuna, which is why vol 7 focused only on female protagonist - Asuna. I will say it once again, harem is not its main focus but it is its sub-genre, SAO has harem element but it doesn't revolve in-depth relationship between kirito and other female character(beside asuna) to make it actually a harem show. Another perfect example is Amagami SS: http://myanimelist.net/anime/8676/Amagami_SS No harem tag, only school romance, the mc chooses 1 girl each arc and he stays with her till the end. Is is considered as a harem? If you say no, think again. Read the first review by Archaeon. Now on the surface Amagami SS looks like the common or garden harem romantic comedy (but with the harem aspect applied in a different way). All clear now? When you have watched enough anime, you don't need tags to tell exactly what its genres are, seriously, because the person who gives tag to the anime itself is no different than a common anime watcher. Just like us. I have to give examples because there is the fact that my words don't sound convincing to a certain people at all. Edit: grammar mistakes fixed and more examples =). there is a clear difference between an anime looking like a harem and being one, amagami didn't have the characteristics of a harem and therefore wasn't tagged as such and again, tib1uw isn't regarded as canon, its basically like fanfic (although written by Reki as a joke) even as a minuscule sub-genre it questionable as although it looks like a harem, it simply isn't but thats not the point i was making, i was saying that SAO being a harem in its main genre is false, you can't deny that fact |
ZeroKamikazeAug 21, 2012 8:53 PM
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| @kamikaze: lol dude you need to calm the FK down and read my post words by words. I didn't say harem is SAO's main genre, I said it is considered as a sub-genre for SAO. HAVE I SAID HAREM IS SAO MAIN GENRE BEFORE? If you think yes, you seem to have a little bit problem in reading skills. Have you read Archaeon's review about Amagami? Have a little respect for this guy. The amount of time he spends watching anime, or the number of anime series and review are greater than most of the people in MAL forum, he isn't bias on anything :). I knew Amagami ss is a harem show, but the harem aspect was portrayed in a different way, so I just want to take his words as a proof. Or you can search google, read wiki and see whether amagami is a harem show or not :). It is adapted from a dating-sim. Anidb rate is much more accurate than MAL, that's why i chose the site. And sudden girlfriend appearance is some sort of thing a funny person would add, but it technically described exactly the situation in SAO. When Kirito first met Asuna, they inevitably becoming a couple, prove me wrong. FYI, it is considered in categories: http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=cat&relid=255 Not a genre, genres are different with categories, you can have child-hood friend, boy meet girls, some sort of stuff like that in categories for suggestion. And by the way, its not fun when we both arguing over our favourite show. I also defended the show against the haters, but from a neutral perspective, I admit its flaws, not a stubborn fan boy like you :). You need to grow up more, not biased by your own delusion (thinking SAO is the best, it is only the best in your point of view). Wiith 118 completed anime shows, you haven't watched enough yet. Grown up more. It's no fun arguing with a kid. |
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| Oh boy the text are getting longer here. LOL I don't mean to nitpick but since they're already falling and even with equal wind pressure blowing on all sides, isn't her cape and his coat suppose to point up vertically and not to the sides almost parallel to their bodies? o_O Unless they have float skill or they're really cheating by descending very slowly. XD Anyway the scene reminded me of TTGL episode 1 when Simon, Yoko and Kamina broke from underground level and went really high in the sky to see the mountains and lands all around them. It's lighter by 20 compared to Elucidator yet he said it was heavy. >_< The Elucidator still looks more badass than her forged sword IMHO. |
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| ^ Yeah It looks more badass, but the Dark Repulser emits extra lightning effects as far as I can recall... |
Vforvendetta said: @kamikaze: lol dude you need to calm the FK down and read my post words by words. I didn't say harem is SAO's main genre, I said it is considered as a sub-genre for SAO. HAVE I SAID HAREM IS SAO MAIN GENRE BEFORE? If you think yes, you seem to have a little bit problem in reading skills. Have you read Archaeon's review about Amagami? Have a little respect for this guy. The amount of time he spends watching anime, or the number of anime series and review are greater than most of the people in MAL forum, he isn't bias on anything :). I knew Amagami ss is a harem show, but the harem aspect was portrayed in a different way, so I just want to take his words as a proof. Or you can search google, read wiki and see whether amagami is a harem show or not :). It is adapted from a dating-sim. Anidb rate is much more accurate than MAL, that's why i chose the site. And sudden girlfriend appearance is some sort of thing a funny person would add, but it technically described exactly the situation in SAO. When Kirito first met Asuna, they inevitably becoming a couple, prove me wrong. FYI, it is considered in categories: http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=lexicon&vtype=cat&relid=255 Not a genre, genres are different with categories, you can have child-hood friend, boy meet girls, some sort of stuff like that in categories for suggestion. And by the way, its not fun when we both arguing over our favourite show. I also defended the show against the haters, but from a neutral perspective, I admit its flaws, not a stubborn fan boy like you :). You need to grow up more, not biased by your own delusion (thinking SAO is the best, it is only the best in your point of view). Wiith 118 completed anime shows, you haven't watched enough yet. Grown up more. It's no fun arguing with a kid.  lolz XD sorry, you mentioned it the first time as harem without saying subgenre, ofcurse im gonna misunderstand lolz sorry, i admit i got carried away there also its my opinion but i just couldn't take it seriously when it said "sudden girl appearance", it was obviously posted by someone with a good sense of humour but after that it seemed like the whole thing was a big troll even if it was true XDD so i thought you were mad to say its a genre when i saw i also admit the flaws but only flaws that are actually flaws and although SAO is one of my favourite LN, its anime doesn't live up to my expectations anime completes have nothing to do with this, |
ZeroKamikazeAug 21, 2012 10:53 PM
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| Okay no hard feelings, I just want to voice out my opinion. The anime completes do affect on opinion. It's like your experiences. The longer time you spend watching anime, the more you see and feel things differently. From what I have experienced, here's the example: I used to think Angel Beats! was touching, not until I saw Kanon. I used to think Kanon was tear-jerking anime, not until I saw Clannad I used think Clannad was the only one make me shred tears so much, not until I saw Ef~ ... |
Vforvendetta said: Okay no hard feelings, I just want to voice out my opinion. The anime completes do affect on opinion. It's like your experiences. The longer time you spend watching anime, the more you see and feel things differently. From what I have experienced, here's the example: I used to think Angel Beats! was touching, not until I saw Kanon. I used to think Kanon was tear-jerking anime, not until I saw Clannad I used think Clannad was the only one make me shred tears so much, not until I saw Ef~ ... hmm, i can somewhat understand that i used to love naruto, used to be my favourite weekly shounen anime until i saw bleach i used to think Shakugan no shana was a great romantic anime, but i realised the whole anime is actually crap compared to toradora it seems the more anime i watch, the more i learn to appreciate the better anime's for being what they are and the more i compare them but it only affects opinion on the anime, the anime remains essentially the same and it always will |
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| I think it's overly compressed compared to the others episode, nonetheless it was awesome as always. |
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shiningman said: And S;G is a harem, after all it was an adaptation from a dating sim visual novel. It may not "look" like one because it's not the main focused but it still a harem. Hey look a virgin calling S;G harem? have you even played the VN yet? S;G a dating sim? ROFL |
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| I wouldn't say steins;gate is harem, but there is a dating-sim version of steins;gate on PSP which actually makes it a harem =). Only the spinoff though. |
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