KATANAGATARI
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| When I started watching this, I somehow expected a 9 or 10. But meeh, it was good but im a little dissapointed. But it was a good series anyway, I'll give it a solid 8/10 for now. I don't regret seeing this. VBS said: A story where just about everyone ends up dead - how bleak! I didn't realize I was watching horror... And of all people - to let that blonde bitch live... It had it's good parts - in fact, it was brilliant at times. ...but that depressive ending just felt too dull and unsatisfying. Ending aside - there were 2 more major flaws: 1. Killing off cute girls: It's never cool to make the most adorable characters like Togame and Nanami die. 2. Not showing the battle with Hakuhei Sabi: That could've potentially been the most entertaining part of the whole series - and they left it out! 6/10 - Good but very disappointing. 3. Shichika Yasuri took way more bullets than Togame, and apparently survived it. 4. The 8th Shogun, Yanari Masatsuna was willing to give away everything he had to survive. He offered a country as a payment to survive. Since he knew about the swords, why didn't he wield the 10th sword? |
ZnoteMar 31, 2015 3:52 PM
| What a steaming pile of shit that episode was, I feel totally cheated by this series. The main character going of with the Princess that Killed Togame? really for 10 episodes this anime was great and then it jumped the shark. What a depressing waste of time this anime was. |
| "Katanagatari" is an anime with one of the best dialogue written in a long time. Very detailed an in-depth; it made the situations occurrences much more meaningful. Talk about character adaptation; each, especially the main characters, evolved graciously. The only one who threw me off was Togame. What was revealed on the deathbed was like... WOW!! What that really how it was? This anime will stay with me for awhile. 10/10; the best you can get. |
| this show really left its mark on my brain....and it will last forever... |
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| The battle with the Seitou Hakari (10th sword) user was funny. It would have been too much if Shichika actually killed her. I find it also nice that she's also voiced by Hayami Saori xD This must have been during her early days as a VA Shichika's "Cheerio" was awesome and he used it correctly xD I like how the ending is a not-so-tragic tragic ending. At the end of it all, they still lose to history. "Epic" is the most fitting description, like the poem and the adjective, I could use for this anime as a whole. I guess what I got from this series is that "history is written by the victors." The scene showing Shichika, the sword wielders, the Maniwa Corps, Emonzaemon, Hitei, Nanami, and Togame was also a great way to complement the epilogue narration. |
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| one of the best finales i have ever witnessed. WOW |
| i looked the high grades that this show got and based in that fact, probably i'm one of the few that didn't liked this show. The problem wasn't this last episode, but in any moment this anime captivated me. The dialogues were so boring that sometimes i was trying to not sleep. I had a huge expectation in this series but in the end i was forcing myself to not drop it. |
| Cheeerioo! Haha. That last request of Togame is indeed consistent! lels. it was great. it's really sad though that Togame died. :( but those contradicting finals words of her and last line was still satisfying. ;)) 9/10 for this ep. woud have given it 10/10 if Shichika also died. I want them to be together atleast till the end. =.= |
| Damn what a great story. Shame Togame had to die :/ I love how Sword #10 was defeated, small hit to the head with the sheath. This finale and the entire anime series ... just an amazing watch This has become one of my new favourites, already thought it would on episode 1. 10/10 |
PrOxAntoJun 9, 2015 4:56 PM
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| I'm kind of happy that Shichika didn't kill that little girl on one of the floors. |
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zionosis said: What I got out of this is that the creator is one disturbed man maybe. I feel that sometimes in some anime the creator tries to work his own life into it a little. So one character may represent a woman that he knew, And the main character in his head may represent himself. etc Total ignorance. You basically insulted almost every fiction writer. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| Very bittersweet ending, but it was satisfying. I could have sworn he was gonna kill the blonde-haired Princess as well, but oh well. I finally managed to finish this after 5 years on hold at episode 7 and I'm glad. |
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| All 12 where brought together and the ultimate sword was made- schika. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I can't believe people where annoyed about togane dying. I thought that at the end of episode 11, there where going to use some BS way to bring her back. This was an ending that toys with your expectations to a huge extent. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| This last episode was amazing, I loved that part of Cheerio, I found pretty cool. |
| such a bittersweet end...actually...it's not even bittersweet...kind of just bitter. I don't know how to describe it...how, after everything was over, Shichika just becomes forgotten in a way...and that whole speech at the end about all the people who died with regrets and without fulfilling their hopes and dreams...it was like the whole journey was for nothing... and especially Togame's death...Cheerio. the fight scene was unbelievable. So many chills that I almost cried... Is that weird? I also found it kind of sad how, after defeating each of the Shogun's guards, it said that the sword broke. Shichika was broken as well by that point. this was a heavy final episode. It was the kind of finale that leaves a scar. Katangatari was truly an unforgettable epic. |
ChaoyigonJul 19, 2015 10:51 PM
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| Certainly, a well-crafted series! I certainly didn't thought that it would end that way but that ending is perfect! Man, Nisio Isin is a genius! His dialogues are really amusing just as the Monogatari series. Story and characters aside, visuals and music are pleasing to the senses. Overall, brilliant. Just brilliant! |
| Pretty good ending. Weird how he is now traveling with that girl. Wow it took a insanely long time for Togame to die! Didn't really feel sad at all seeing her die. Although I never really liked her in the first place. Seeing Shichika going on that rampage was freaking awesome! That final battle felt very intense and was surprisingly bloody! Kinda BS how he didn't die considering how many times he got shot. Overall an enjoyable anime. 7/10 |
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| Ended how I wanted. Annoying girl dead, Shichika badass, different girl as partner. Wish this show wasnt so ass with the dialogue |
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| Such a beautiful show that I will not soon forget. Katangatari was one hell of an experience that made me feel so many different emotions and left me absolutely fascinated as well as, surprisingly, satisfied. This work has easily made its way into my list of favorites being just short of a masterpiece. I expected nothing less of Nisio Isin's adapted work. 9/10 |
| Cheerio! That ending hurt like hell. Oh gosh, I loved Togame so much. And Emonzaemon. And I love Shichika and Hitei Hime heaps too, but it hurt so much to see them travel together at the end and think: that was supposed to be Togame... Gosh, this hurt. But still, amazing episode, amazing series, 10/10 for me. |
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| The past two episodes had very ridiculous plotpoints that made the finale felt a weird, idiotic and unfulfilling. Despite the dumb shit, the finale itself with Shichika fighting all the deviant blades was very exciting to watch, I just feel that it could have been much better if the plot went a different route past episodes, resulting into a 10/10 finale. 7/10 |
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| Hahaha, I seriously just love Hitei and Shichika traveling together at the end. Yeah, fuck it, I'm shipping that! xD |
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| Gota say I'm really happy with the ending actually. I don't mind Hitei being alive still, but I wouldn't ship them |
| I really enjoyed this series, as much as a "the journey is more important than the destination" kind of person I am, the ending really didn't cut things clear enough to justify the path it took. capslock_bandit said: I’m not bothered by her death itself, but as to as why Togame was killed – did Hitei order it, or did the shogun order it? The only explanations I can come up is that if the shogun ordered it was because her family was branded as traitors from the rebellion, which would mean that the shogun was just using her all along and planned to kill her in the end. Or, Hitei/Emonzaemon decided to do it as they knew it would be the trigger to fulfilling Shikizaki’s plan. I also don’t quite understand why, if Hitei and Togame were competing, why did Togame trust Hitei to deliver the swords to Owari? You're not the only one. No matter how much I read here (utter waste of time, tbh) and rewatched the final episode, I only see very loose justifications for how the finale played out. First off the reasons given for Togame's death are: 1. The shogun ordered it, and emonzaemon/hitei are working under them, thus carry it out of duty (sub criteria - in order to gain audience with the shogunate) 2. Hitei herself wanted to "complete" Shichika to fulfill Shikizaki's "plan" and topple the current shogunate, knowing the only way was to trigger him with Togame's death 3. Togame being the previous Lord's daughter means Hitei might have thought without killing her, Shikizaki's plan to "change history" may not come true since it would just revert to the "original bloodline". (at least this is something I assume is a reason) So, the first doesn't make any sense especially if we're looking in the context of Hitei not actually hating (and seemingly liking) Togame herself. If she did, why was it necessary to kill her in the first place? Knowing Shichika, it wouldn't be hard to topple the shogunate without triggering him (especially if Togame's goal was ultimately to also topple the current shogunate) and thus her death would just be meaningless. Would you really kill someone you "like" just out of convenience to speed things up? It really doesn't connect. The second assumes (for whatever reason) that Hitei assumes Shichika won't or can't complete the task of killing the shogunate without triggering him. In fact, seeing how deadly emonzaemon is, there's no reason to believe he couldn't just do it himself. Why bother using Shichika as a tool? 3. assumes that she needed to die as part of Hitei's plan and is no different to 2. Both of them assume Shichika as merely a tool and Togame's death as an inevitable obstacle for Hitei, of which both of them show Hitei is responsible for Togame's death and there's no reason Shichika should be holding back. "Oh, he didn't come for revenge, the themes argue against revenge and Shichika growing as a person", well why the hell would you spare a disgusting plotting woman who's bloodline is responsible for the entire mess in the first place? I mean, if you argue the current shogunate are responsible for Togame's state of affairs by culling her father in the rebellion, shouldn't you take a step back and realize Shikizaki is the entire reason for the mess? He was the one who crafted it to "change history", he was the original reason Togame's father started the rebellion to "change it back", and Hitei is the direct descendant. If Togame would "logically" kill Shichika even though he wasn't directly responsible for her father's death, why would Shichika not kill Hitei and kill the shogunate instead? Bla bla themes, melodrama etc. I'm not so bothered by Togame's death as I am at the final resolution overall. Why does Shichika find the resolve or will to smash the shogunate to bits splitting the damn castle in half (don't give me that "he said he could only kill one more person" trash, with that much energy in him he could have killed a defenseless weak girl without any problem), but not bother killing Hitei? So what if the Shogunate made her waste most of her life? Isn't Hitei ordering Togame's death equally denying Togame any future? Whether or not Shichika believes Togame's dramatic death speech is a different issue. It's clear he had feelings for her, and was willing to die for her. Both Hitei and the shogunate are equally filthy (or at least should be) to shichika. There were many good ways for this to end. I personally have no idea why both Togame and Hitei can't both exist, it really makes very little sense. Zergneedsfood said: Or is it Hitei-Hime, who is merely a devious observer whom Togame told Shichika to thank? Can you show me where she said that? Because as far as I've seen (and several times now), she never once said to thank her. As far as I'm concerned that was somehow or somewhat Shichika's way of verifying Hitei's deservedness of death (which of course, didn't make sense unless something was skipped). I really liked the show, and I often am able to overlook flaws or turn a blind eye, but this one was honestly just a mess to me. It's funny that the advocates of the show say "it's all about Shichika's growth as a person", as if to completely dismiss the problems and holes the ending has. Unless I'm missing something and I'm an idiot of some sort, the last few episodes were an absolute mess. It's really exasperating because I was looking forward to pinning this as one of my favourites. I can tell from a lot of long, confused responses in this thread that there are people who really enjoyed the show and are trying hard to understand how it could end with such a convoluted mess. It very honestly shouldn't require effort to appreciate something. It should click with you, and you should over time and rewatches pick up nuances that add to the depth to make you enjoy it more, not be forced to play connect the dots when the dots can't even be connected. |
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| I liked that he went berserk, because the person he loved died. I mean he had nothing left his sister was dead, his love and going to die somewhere as a warrior seems a good idea. The end is true a bit weird with hitagi, but its hard to tell. I mean it really seemed to me, that she didn't hate togame, but because of a reason she had to give this order ^^ |
| My favorite quotes from animes: Those who seek miracles will never experience one. The hand of salvation only extends to people who try to make miracles happen. - Ef a tale of melodies. I destroy worlds. I create worlds. - Code geass We are humans. - Shinsekai yori 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats, and a 10km run EVERY SINGLE DAY!!! - One punch man |
| Definitely not the kind of anime I was expecting when first stumbled upon episode 1, and by that I mean well, it was an amazing series to the end. Initially I thought I would have a hard time getting used to the animations, but now I feel like I would have a hard time seeing it animated in any other way. Overall, amazing and beautiful series 10/10. Cheerio!! |
| It's probably because I prefer happy endings, but I was really disappointed with this episode. I think I really wanted to root for the love in this show, between the two MCs and how much they liked each other. I know Togame did some bad things for the wrong intentions, but I wanted her to redeem herself and the two to live happily, because I thought they both suffered enough through their lives and deserved happiness at the end of their quest. In this, even after losing both his family, Shichika is left without anyone close to him, and Togame was a tool until the very end - it just doesnt send the happiest/most hopeful message imo. Maybe it goes "deeper" and I miss something, but I ultimately think a happy ending would've been better/fine for this. The gauntlet was honestly cool but also disappointing. I'm glad Shichika is stronger, but if he doesn't struggle and fight the swords at their best, there's not as much meaning. I did like his eye change though, and it was heartwrenching, his goodbye. I found his following of Hitei to be ironic and somewhat interesting, but I also find it a bit weird. I don't know if I dislike it or not - probably a little glad he has some company but I'd've preferred to see him and Togame together at the end. I think overall, this show is close to being good but not quite enough for me and falls as "above average but not that far above". I think some of the dialogue at times could be drawn out and a bit pointless (still better than Bakemonogatari but still bad in this), and some of the themes and ideas I just dont agree with. Things like "be a tool for another and its okay" or "fall in love and do whatever the person says"...things like that are...not good messages for a friendship or relationship, even if they're somewhat humorous and enjoyable to watch. The quirks and stuff for the characters were interesting, but the constant deaths and killings disappointed me. There was no sparing the good sword owners at all, and I didn't feel connected enough to a lot of the deaths ultimately. I'd prefer if the good people could live and find a purpose in life - I think that'd send a better message for the show. As it is, its a bit humorous and entertaining, but I'm not sure its in a way I enjoy as much. I also felt the episodicness got repetitive after a while - there wasn't that much contuinousness - it was always just find new sword + find new way to obtain sword. Sure, some maniwani and shogun stuff happened in the background and the show tied more things together in the end, but for a good few episodes, it was a bit repetitive and I felt no new spark. And the initial enjoyment I got died out a bit. |
Mint said: (Read 5 posts above) Ok let me just help you get the ending. Because the ending is fantastic. Do you think that Shichika can actually destroy all those people without being completed? There's no way he could cause such destruction with Togame and his emotions holding him back. He needed that want to die and needed to be completed to perform the plan. I doubt Emonzaemon could do it by himself either. Also using Emonzaemon would probably go against the plan and screw shit up. I'll have to rewatch the anime to point out exactly how Shichika was needed, but I know Shichika was definitely required. If not at least for the poison in the weapons to be overcome. Although, as you saw, when the plan was near completion, princess Hitei did allow him to kill Shichika and (if he succeeded) would probably get him to kill the shogunate as well. After all, at that point the plan was basically complete. Your last point gets a bit ridiculous. It is true, Shichika was largely just a tool (as stated in the anime) and Togame's death was a final obstacle that Hitei had to overcome. but, just because one person would kill one person because of their belief in shared responsibility, does not mean another person will. People share different morals. I can guarantee you I do not share Hitlers morals just because we are both humans. This point is ludicrous. Just because you wanted Hitei dead, does not mean she should die. I can't believe you're throwing a fit over your least liked character not dying but your more liked characters dying. I hated Hitei quite a bit, but I'm completely happy with her being alive and travelling along with Shichika. It suits the anime. If you can't be bothered to connect the dots, and don't like things not going your way, than that's fine. Most people are like that. This ending aren't for people like you. It's a true ending. One that fits the show perfectly. If it weren't for this ending, I would never give this show a 10/10. Although I'm still not too sure if I should give it a 10/10... |
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| Damn, this was a great show. 5/5 for the episode, 9/10 for the show. |
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| Unlike what you did (giving vague untargeted somewhat attempting to be answers to the many queries I posed), I'll take my time picking out why your post was pretty much a waste of time. Saffron_entity said: Ok let me just help you get the ending. Because the ending is fantastic. Do you think that Shichika can actually destroy all those people without being completed? There's no way he could cause such destruction with Togame and his emotions holding him back. I mean, I can simply just quote myself here. Mint said: Knowing Shichika, it wouldn't be hard to topple the shogunate without triggering him (especially if Togame's goal was ultimately to also topple the current shogunate) and thus her death would just be meaningless. Would you really kill someone you "like"; just out of convenience to speed things up? It really doesn't connect. There's no reason why shichika wouldn't be able to achieve it. Why would there? Imagine if hitei simply threatened shichika, and said "if you don't topple the shogunate, togame will die". Why wouldn't he react in a similar way? Once again, reciting the fact that hitei seems to like togame means this avoids her death completely. It doesn't make logical sense, nor is it consistent with the personalities or actions they previously show. Saffron_entity said: He needed that want to die and needed to be completed to perform the plan. I doubt Emonzaemon could do it by himself either. Also using Emonzaemon would probably go against the plan and screw shit up. I'll have to rewatch the anime to point out exactly how Shichika was needed, but I know Shichika was definitely required. Uh, right. So basically you don't even know, why bother post? If it was so brilliant and you had everything figured out shouldn't it be obvious? Or at the very least rewatch before posting because that would save your own time. There's really so little reason that emonzaemon could not himself complete it, seeing how close hitei already was with the shogunate. Not to mention he fought toe to toe with shichika even in triggered mode. That's a minor point, though, and I can keep my suspension of belief up for dramatic purposes. Saffron_entity said: Your last point gets a bit ridiculous. It is true, Shichika was largely just a tool (as stated in the anime) and Togame's death was a final obstacle that Hitei had to overcome. but, just because one person would kill one person because of their belief in shared responsibility, does not mean another person will. People share different morals. I can guarantee you I do not share Hitlers morals just because we are both humans. This point is ludicrous. How is that ludicrous? Drawing such an extreme parallel is far more ludicrous. This isn't some huge differentiation in morals where someone is simply a cold blooded murderer and another committed innocent manslaughter. Shichika came to frankly care for togame through their experiences. I'd find it natural for any man to take revenge for a pointless murder (which shichika would have realized was pointless). We don't see shichika holding back in killing in the past, and he obviously shows clear compassion for doing what is just and punishing those he deems guilty. I mean, the biggest, most obvious one is the fact that he kills the shogunate. How is the shogunate more responsible for togame's death than hitei, who literally, literally (I mean you have to be retarded to not realize) is not only directly responsible for ordering it, but her entire bloodline (shikizaki himself) is the orginal cause for all this pain and suffering anyway? Why shouldn't he end that, and instead end the shogunate? He even killed his own sister for christ's sake just to continue completing his goal with togame. Saffron_entity said: Just because you wanted Hitei dead, does not mean she should die. I can't believe you're throwing a fit over your least liked character not dying but your more liked characters dying. I hated Hitei quite a bit, but I'm completely happy with her being alive and travelling along with Shichika. It suits the anime. I'll have to admit this triggered me. I'm not throwing any fit, if I was I would simply bash this show with baseless or opinionated claims rather than pick out facts from the show itself. I don't even hate hitei, it's how things played out that I have a huge problem with. If it made sense, I couldn't care any less about what I personally feel for the characters. The point is it didn't, and hitei travelling nonchalantly with shichika at the end is simply the nail in the coffin of a train wreck. "It suits the anime" lol, all you've been saying so far is how amazing the ending is, how "suiting" it is without bothering to explain any of the logic behind any of the points I was looking to understand, on top of that having the audacity to say you "can't remember the exact reason why" but that "there definitely is". That's just gold. Saffron_entity said: If you can't be bothered to connect the dots, and don't like things not going your way, than that's fine. Most people are like that. This ending aren't for people like you. It's a true ending. One that fits the show perfectly. It's not about things going my way, holy shit are you dense. If I wasn't bothered to connect the dots I wouldn't write a goddamn essay seeking answers would I? I mean, I'm being as as unbiased as I possibly can even going in so far as to point out why I believe there are huge cracks in the storyline. I literally rewatched the last few episodes multiple times to see if I had missed anything and to clarify any points I have made. But of course, people like you are the reason posting on these forums is a waste of time. |
MintDec 24, 2015 10:09 PM
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| Great shows. Nice action. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Poor Togame ;-; Overall very well worth the watch, cheerio! |
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Gooloper said: ..... So basically the crux of your interpretation is simply that katanagatari is a show about failure? I find this frankly a little baffling with something as broad as "failure" since it can simply be used as a scapegoat for any sort of inconsistencies I can't wrap my head around. I mean, I could easily say something pseudo-intellectually contrived such as "the failure for the plot to make consistent sense is consistent with the themes of the show since their objective is to portray failure", which would obviously be quite retarded. Again, with this "Togame wished to thank Hitei" when was this in the final episode? I even took the liberties of rewatching the episode again just to see if that was the case, which it wasn't. I briefly remember her wishing to thank hitei in a previous episode for an unrelated reason (fail to see how it has anything to do with the fact that she ordered her death). Kiki shikizaki's goal (as far as I gathered) was to attempt to change history, and as I've pointed out numerous times, from what the show displays, it's a pretty incredibly flimsy reason to take togame's life even if shikizaki's main goal was completing the final blade rather than toppling the shogunate. In which, if the latter was the case, again, no reason to suggest emonzaemon couldn't carry this out himself. So all it boils down to is the claim that her death is to demonstrate a "moral" point, which is what exactly? You weren't particularly direct about it, I apologise, I am an idiot, so spell it out for me. I mean I'm lazy to reread my original post, but as far as I remember I had talked about how it was incredibly ironic to preach about Shichika overcoming "revenge" by mercy sparing hitei when he brutally murdered the shogunate in vengeance. It's just mind blowing. It's really tempting to rewatch this series to try and grasp what I couldn't, but I honestly doubt I'd gain much. Edit: I realize I sound a little antagonistic here, but it's nothing personal, so don't take it personally, I appreciate you taking your time to post in a civil manner. |
MintFeb 16, 2016 8:09 PM
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| People... liked this ending? Has to be one of the worst, but unsatisfying (in fact actively enraging) endings to anime I've seen. **** this show. |
| "My name is John Locke, and I'm responsible for the well being of this Island" |
 idk why, but I broke at this moment. Even though that phrase didn't have a turning meaning, it was still strong and sincere^^ |
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J0HN_L0CKE said: People... liked this ending? Has to be one of the worst, but unsatisfying (in fact actively enraging) endings to anime I've seen. **** this show. I wouldn't say the entire show was bad, but that was definitely one of the worst endings I have ever seen. |
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| Excellent ending. Not too sold on the execution of the "floor by floor" routine they had going on there but it matches the idea of sharpening up Shichika to the point he has reached perfection - thus able to carry out the princess' plan. Togame's death makes sense, releasing the emotional restraint on Shichika that could hold him back from executing Hitei's plan. I can understand those who don't like that the shogun wasn't toppled and that the whole process might be considered a 'failure'. But think about what they say at the end, that any intervention could help change the course of history for the nation's benefit. As we see during the credits, people learn, they rebuild and discover a new life. The Maniwa heads are no more and there is less evil in the country. Honestly, that alone is enough to say that things turned out for the better. Really enjoyed this show. |
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Don't worry about it, my reply wasn't exactly swift either. I'm not really sure exactly how to respond to that. Yes, it definitely was worth telling, and the journey was excellent, but it's a little difficult to swallow if the ending is dissatisfying. I haven't read it, so I can't draw any parallels, but I can somewhat with Soul Eater. The ending was actually incredibly poor, disappointing and anti climactic. Of course, Katanagatari's ending was not in any way as lazy, poorly thought out and disappointing, but it was definitely shocking, and frankly seemed unnecessary. Ultimately left me with more questions than answers. Yeah, I actually remember now, he mentions that to Hitei just before deleting the shogunate, indirectly through Shichika rather than Togame herself. So that part is there. But I still don't really understand how that would stop Shichika. After all, Togame herself said "it's better this way, since I don't have to kill you" which obviously doesn't make any sense in Shichika's eyes, at least. I vaguely remember that being the gist of Kikizaki's goals, but again, how does Shichika fulfilling this have any meaning other than achieving exactly that (Kikizaki's goals)? He should be obviously aware that he is the final blade, and Kikizaki's intentions were indeed his completion (which Hitei herself even brazenly states at the end). And yes, that's one that bothers me (again, Kikizaki ultimately was the one responsible for Togame's death, and ultimately so is Hitei whether or not that is indirect. The shogunate's existence and her goals are nothing but a pretext). "Ending a cycle of revenge" with revenge seems kind of ironic and misplaced. Emonzaemon not being able to pull it off himself wasn't the biggest of my issues, since I did mention I could keep up my suspension of disbelief for that, but in all honesty, he literally had pistols (even if you discount the fact that he fought toe to toe with shichika), but I understood the dramatic buildup they wanted to achieve with their fight scene. I took a good read through that article, and though it does raise a lot of the great themes explored during the show (which was what made it such an excellent ride), it doesn't really help justify the finale. Ironically, I ended up gathering more regarding that from the comments of that article (Jat371 and kumashock) that somewhat focused on the issues I had (though I'm not agreeing with all their points). I'll openly admit that I'm likely being harsher because I really enjoyed her characterization throughout the show and it felt disappointed at how both her and Shichika were handled at the end. It's actually a very similar feeling I had with the tatami galaxy, of which the ending felt rather contrived in a sense that it attempted to be contrarian for the sake of it rather than to make a compelling point or stay consistent with the themes of the show. It's actually a sad fact that I find most willingly discursive posters popping up in series discussion threads with less than 100 posts (3, in your case, though I understand why you'd shy away from posting on these forums, but hey, quality over quantity). I try my best not to be antagonistic or personal in my posts (unless it's warranted) since it does nothing to fuel discussion, especially in this case where I'm specifically seeking out help for closure. So thanks, it's refreshing to not be replying to a brick wall as I so often seem to run into in these forums. |
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