Why do people look down on anime?

Nico- said:
Even if it isn't tsudecimo, his posting style, his list being private, admitting his pseudonym is a joke, it reminds me of his other alt in Arararragi-kun.

Milky_way1886 said:
No it's not. My sick weaboo detection skills tells me that you're a genuine weaboo fgt

Nico- said:
Oh face it, you simply made this account as a proxy just in case you needed to feel to troll AD.

Either way, with a private list, and an ambition to just bait and insult other users, who does that remind me of?

Should you not be tsud, I apologize, but your existence on this site doesn't warrant anything good with a guy of your demeanor.

I'm sorry, but I come here to have friendly discourse about anime, not to fight people over the Internet over shitty opinions that have little to no substance in perceptiveness.

Valenthius said:
God, you're worse than the SJW's, even they arent so deffensive.

And you use the same method as the do "Why tackle someone's argument when you can just pick a sentence and take offence at it?"

And stop weaseling!

2weeaboo4u said:
In any case, I made this account for maintaing my list and only recently decided to start posting here (at least for a while). I have not engaged in any trolling.

Nico- said:
>at least for a while

I ain't fooled by this at all. Congrats, you're not as difficult to expose as you may think.

2weeaboo4u said:

I still have no idea who this tsud is, but he sounds like a pretty cool guy.

Nico- said:
Nice to know you still think highly of yourself. You're gonna need it.

2weeabo4u said:
Ok, explain what makes me a weeaboo.

2weeaboo4u said:
A proxy? I think you mean a sock puppet. In any case, I made this account for maintaing my list and only recently decided to start posting here (at least for a while). I have not engaged in any trolling.

2weeaboo4u said:
I haven't done any baiting

2weeaboo4u said:
I have no idea who or what tsud is.

2weeaboo4u said:
How is this a "friendly discourse about anime"?

2weeaboo4u said:

I'm not being "defensive" just because I refute accusations and ask people to explain their accusations.

2weeaboo4u said:

Even if I was this tsud person, what difference would it make? Would it somehow invalidate anything I've posted in this thread? Why did you even bring this up? Just to draw attention away from your side's disastrous performance in this thread?

2weeaboo4u said:

Anime and cartoons are both animation just like jaywalking and rape are both crimes. "Anime are cartoons" is no different from "jaywalking is rape."

2weeaboo4u said:



What does this have to do with anything?

Valenthius said:
Simply put, someone who is obsessed with Japan and Anime...and you get really butthurt when someone says anime are cartoons

^That would be weaseling.

And i'm the queen of England.
To Bait

deliberately annoy or taunt (someone).

Nope. There's nothing suspicious about that statement whatsoever...not one bit...And this is also a prime example of a standard weasle response.

And who is to blame for that?

Do you even know what refute means?

Valenthius said:
#God complex

ashfrliebert said:
If you want, you can list some differences between american animation and anime. It's all mostly because of difference cultures, of course.

The differences between American animation and anime include such things as: character design, animation, shot composition, backgrounds, visual language, editing, camera work, writing, genres, story conventions, character archetypes, language, culture, society, sound design, music, voice acting, production, business model, merchandising, fan activity... no matter what you think of, there are almost certainly many differences to be found.

2weeaboo4u said:

How?

Valenthius said:
And now you are putting words in my mouth xD

2weeaboo4u said:

Ok. Then please go ahead and explain how it was weaseling.

2weeaboo4u said:
The differences between American animation and anime include such things as: character design,

animation,

shot composition,

backgrounds,

visual language,

editing, camera work, writing, genres, story conventions, character archetypes,

language, culture,

society, sound design, music, voice acting, production, business model, merchandising, fan activity... no matter what you think of, there are almost certainly many differences to be found.

Valenthius said:
A weasle, weasles out of an accusation by using questions as answers and distracting people by insulting them and putting words in their mouth=exactly what you do.

2weeaboo4u said:
Being obsessed with Japan and anime doesn't make someone a weeaboo. Insisting on the fact that anime aren't cartoons doesn't make someone a weeaboo.

2weeaboo4u said:

Asking someone to explain or clarify something they said is not weaseling. I have not particularly insulted anyone, though I have been called a normie, faggot and weeaboo by others, including you.

Being obsessed with Japan and anime doesn't make someone a weeaboo

Its not, but you are not doing that. Just writing "how" on every explanation i provide is not asking for an explanation, its Baiting.

Nope. What you did is take my statement(not really a statement but a mockery google search) and state it means something you think it means.

Oh i have...i believe it was 6 times..you're just THAT dense.

Ill give you examples to make it easy for you:

ashfrliebert said:
Character design usually varies in every animation work

Woo, we're getting close. Of course, that makes it a cartoon, just a really really different one. It's different enough to be considered a drastically different cartoon, would be cool if it had a name.

Different shot composition doesn't stop things from being of a similar medium?

Not an inherent different, backgrounds just vary.

Would this not also under cultural differences? Also, doesn't everything use visual language?

editing, camera work, writing, genres, story conventions, character archetypes,

None of these are inherent differences I'm pretty sure.

Magic school girls is also just a cultural thing. Bishouju is also a cultural thing. Gag isn't a cultural thing.

Let's take super robots for example, they are very much a common thing in japan culture but it's not one thing that's limited to Japan obviously. They created it, but for every Evalogenion and Gundam, there is Transformers and Sym-Bionic-Titan.

Sherlock here. Difference cultures have different cultures, surprise? Language is even more obvious. It's made in japan.

They are very different cartoons, that was never really my point. It's that anime is a drastically different form of western animation, very drastically. But they both have their roots in both being, welll...cartoons. Different name and different everything, but considering your disdain for western animation it should be obvious that sometimes people dislike japan animation and that THAT'S OKAY.

Yup, but these aren't really inherent things that make anime what it is though.

2weeaboo4u said:
If anime being animated makes anime a cartoon, then logically a knife is the same thing as a sniper rifle.

2weeaboo4u said:

If anime being animated makes anime a cartoon, then logically a knife is the same thing as a sniper rifle. They are both weapons, after all, so how could they not be the same thing? Militaries could really save money by issuing knives to their snipers instead.

And what I meant is that the animation in anime is different, very different, than the animation in American animation.

Did I say it's supposed to be surprising or not obvious? You asked me to list differences. Culture and language are differences.

Valenthius said:
That makes you a Normalfag.

ashfrliebert said:
Isn't that pretty much what a weeboo is? Or do you have to not be native to japan?

Valenthius said:
Its not, but you are not doing that. Just writing "how" on every explanation i provide is not asking for an explanation, its Baiting.

Nope. What you did is take my statement(not really a statement but a mockery google search) and state it means something you think it means.

Oh i have...i believe it was 6 times..you're just THAT dense.

Ill give you examples to make it easy for you:

Starting with a question and correcting a person who acused you=Deflecting

=Mockery.

- You seem to know your way around the forum for a person who's just started posting.=Liar

- Not understanding someones statement doesn't make it irrelevant=Incompetent

- Faking Ignorance while it was pretty clear that Tsudecimo Is an MAL user=Yet more deflecting

- From what i've gathered, Tsudecimo is the biggest fucktard on this website and a person who just love's arguing and baiting people, so yes, it would make the things you say less valid.

- And yet you are the one whose is drawing attention from said accusation=Deflecting AGAIN (Strike three, you're out)

Valenthius said:
So is this the refuting you mentioned?

ashfrliebert said:
That's why they are japanese cartoons, not american cartoons.

Japan and English are different languages, but still languages obviously. Japan and America have different cultures, but they are both countries.

This is pretty much the only real important thing, they the animation is different but the animation is still there.

The sterotype of "animation/cartoon is goofy" would still be there, this influences the stigma of "anime is so silly".

None of what you say is really relevant to them both not being cartoon, because "detailed backgrounds" doesn't mean "not cartoons". That's not how it works.

Cartoons is not synonymous with "directed at children", that's just pretty much fact.

Unless you give me some proof of a difference, maybe secretly discovering anime isn't really animated and actually live action from a different universe, I guess that pretty much ends the conversation.

2weeaboo4u said:

Yes. What about it?

They are.
Anime are not cartoons.
How?
It's not.
What about it?
No, it wouldn't.

Clefairiess said:
My parents think its for kids, so I do get look down on. That's why I hide it from them, it's like I'm hiding drugs -.- I get freaked out if someone figured out I love anime.

By today's standards most old cartoons are for children. The word cartoon, as it's used by most people, also connotates something childish.

Valenthius said:

If you are going to quote someone make sure you quote everything that they said, otherwise you would be "tackling someone's argument by picking a just one sentence and taking offence at it".


...Are not arguments

Valenthius said:
If you are going to quote someone make sure you quote everything that they said, otherwise you would be "tackling someone's argument by picking a just one sentence and taking offence at it".

Still using the same bullshit analogy. You cant kill a person with a knife from 100 meters away from a high building, but with a sniper riffle you can=things of a different caliber. A moving picture show, 20-25 FPS, 2D=Thing Of the Same Caliber - Cartoon(Western or Japanese).

Are not arguments

ashfrliebert said:
That's just missing the point. My point is that "animated cartoon" doesn't mean "childish".

2weeaboo4u said:

In common usage that's exactly what it means.

2weeaboo4u said:

Did I ever say that everything I say is an argument?

They are?
How?
It's not.
What about it?
No, it wouldn't.

Are not arguments

2weeaboo4u said:


As already explained, cartoons are only one type of animation.

ashfrliebert said:
Enough people repeat wrong shit enough times and everyone would use it, but that's not what it means. Animation is a medium and the "medium" itself doesn't have demographics, it's the stuff that falls under the medium that do.

Valenthius said:
To refute someones statement means to provide a counter Argument.

If you are going to quote someone make sure you quote everything that they said, otherwise you would be "tackling someone's argument by picking a just one sentence and taking offence at it".

Kokko said:
wow what a dumbass

Kokko said:

wow what a dumbass

2weeaboo4u said:

Cartoons, from today's point of view, are childish and cartoon is used to indicate something childish. Even if we disregard that, anime is still stylistically and substantially radically different from cartoons, and not the same thing at all.

ashfrliebert said:

Plz, be civil and courteous.


Didn't we have like, 7 pages based on exactly this reasoning? That they are stylistically different based on culture?

I want to get off weeaboo4u's wild ride. I guess that's probably the signal I got my point across well enough and that you're just repeating yourself.

Good talk.

2weeaboo4u said:


Yes, you certainly are.

Valenthius said:
On the internet since 1997 and this is the best return insult you could come up with x)

2weeaboo4u said:

Where's the argument in your post? Let's see some arguments.

2weeaboo4u said:

Stop weaseling.

Valenthius said:
Deflecting, Lying, Using: How?, What?, No as arguments is being a wesel, Laughing isn't.

Trazilibo said:
People look down anime cause they think they're Japanese cartoons, and most people think that cartoons are strictly childish.

2weeaboo4u said:

Well, like I just replied to another poster:

Wake me up when American TV has animated shows like Aoi Hana, Wandering Son, Serial Experiments Lain, Haibane Renmei, Zipang, Gunslinger Girl, Kanon, Flag, Welcome to the NHK, Hibike, Shirobako, Psycho-Pass, Charlotte and Steins;Gate.

TheBrainintheJar said:
You missed Samurai Jack and Courage the Cowardly Dog.

I wouldn't call Steins Gate 'mature'. It looked like a stylish, fun thriller from what I've seen.

You still fail to define maturity.

2weeb4u said:
South Park, My Little Pony, Adventure Time, Steven Universe, The Simpsons. It's all over the place.

2weeb4u said:
I never said that every shot in every cartoon or cartoon-like animation ever is shot in such a way. It's just extremely common. The first clip has a very high number of shots that look like a stageplay or sidescrolling game. The camera is at a 90 degree angle to the set, and the characters are moving directly left and right and up and down relative to the camera. The second clip isn't a cartoon, it's just an animated comedy.

2weeb4u said:
Disney's movement is very different from movement in anime. The gestures, body language, expressions and movements of the characters are exaggerated, fast and restless, almost incapable of coming to stop. The character acting in anime on the other hand is realistic, like a streamlined version of live action cinema. That also means characters can come to a complete stop as they would in cinema. The difference being that anime usually removes small movements like swaying, breathing and minute changes in posture. In anime there is the understanding that while animation is very important (in many ways more important than it was in America), it's not everything. Just like characters moving isn't everything in cinema.

2weeb4u said:
All you're saying here is that you thought Young Justice has a well-written antagonist and Adventure Time has a great setting

2weeb4u said:
Also, if you aren't familiar with Japanese society, politics and events, you don't necessarily notice if something is being satirized or criticized.

DrGeroCreation said:
2weeb4u Do you know that in Japan stuff like Tom and Jerry is called anime because in Japan anime = all animation?

It's fucking retarded to claim animated cartoons are not animation plain and simple.

No.

Sidescrolling games never have such close ups of the characters while they are moving. In that short you are clearly seeing Mickey right in your face.

In that same Steins Gate clip you posted the camera is also following around the characters and from 0.21 -023 it looks like a stage play.

LMAO the Looney Tunes show which features Looney Tunes characters is not a cartoon.

Anyway camera angle has NEVER BEEN a criteria for defining what a cartoon is.

There are many Silly Symphonies Disney shorts that aren't like that

Plus Disney cartoons does not equal all cartoons.

What I'm saying is that anime has no super villain organization as good as the Light and anime has no post apocalyptic setting as unique as Adventure Time's Land Of OOO.

Anime's satire is nothing compared to South Park's. South Park almost satirizes aspect of American culture and society. Even other adult animated sitcoms don't reach the same level of satire as South Park.

As anime fans we would have some sort of knowledge of no matter how small of Japanese society or politics. Hell I'm not American and I get all of South Park's satire.

2weeb4u said:
I never made any such claim.