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PoisonedTea said: jrShark said: Aaaaand the Tower of Betrayal begins. Where betrayal meets another betrayal. That aside, the thing that really bothers me is the amount of subtle changes and omission of details that causes several characters to have a different characteristic. While I understand omitting of details can't be help when adapting it to an anime, I observe that some of characters have added/different behaviour in the anime, and it kinda irks me a little, it feels like they are not the same character. Having binged through the tag game last week in webtoons (I just wanted to watch one scene but ended up going way beyond that), I actually became really disappointed. Before, I was still enjoying the anime despite knowing it was lacking with the characters feeling slightly different. Probably a bad idea to re-read the webtoon lol. The episode, or perhaps the anime as a whole, is really underwhelming, even when not comparing to its webtoon but as an anime itself. If I'm someone who has never read ToG before, I might have already drop the anime a couple of episodes ago. Like many non webtoon reader has mention, the characters feels shallow and insignificant. With that said, if you have only watched the ToG anime and you love it so far, do give the Webtoon a chance! Every chapter/episode is fully colored and the panel style is different from manga, so do give it a shot! I will not agree that the webtoon is not better. Yes the Webtoon explains in a lot more detail of what is happening. But to explain all that in anime form would double the length of episode and episode would be full of just expedition dumbs something that be pretty boring to watch. But from what I seen most of the anime only viewers are enjoying this version a lot. If your expecting a direct adaptation you are going be disappointed but as adaptations good it is a good one, not prefect but good. Yeap, that was what I'm trying to imply, the fact that it can't be help. Sorry if it wasn't clear. But the main issue I'm having is that the characters are behaving a bit differently, that I would interpret their personality differently. This is likely due to the extra details added in, omission of some details, and also likely due to the way the anime cuts the scene (transition and stuffs). I know they can't and shouldn't so a perfect adaptation, but I feel that some of the key and core aspect of the ToG element is missing. Just my 2 cents though, my subjective opinion. |
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Elucid said: Despite a lot of the action, comedy, and suspense being underwhelming, I did like Khun's betrayal at the end, pretty solid twist. Bam shows a little more personality, not much but still welcomed. Some character development from the side characters a little, but still pretty average tier. Didn't dislike this episode, found it OK. Still underwhelming though. I completly agree. The show should have me more invested 8 episodes in, but I feel like it constantly falls short of my expectations. Kinda weird since I am not familiar with the source material. Biggest issue being that there is no greater theme to the show (at least for now). -climbing the tower is the thing everybody does on the side -Bam does not progress the 'plot' as a protagonist -the princesses of Jahad are mere participants; tower politics are not the point either -Side characters could be something to be invested in, but the show tells me not to -Rachel is here but on the sideline, so it is not romance either So what's the point? I will keep watching and wait for something to happen but this is sooo far off organic storytelling. |
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| Quant got Kooned hard. lmao!! |
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| This episode further enforces Khun as my favorite character. When I heard Khun 'apologizing' I was laughing so hard because I could tell that he was the one who betrayed Team A. You go, blue turtle. Favorite scenes this episode definitely feature Khun's manipulation. There's also when Rak kept insisting that Khun had a plan (of course he did, he's Khun) and when Bam cheered at Khun's intelligence. Whoever the anime director is, please make them canon even though they weren't in the manhwa. Fanfiction does not satisfy me enough. |
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| Only good moment was Khun's betrayal. Animation is getting very poor. |
PoisonedTea said: jrShark said: Aaaaand the Tower of Betrayal begins. Where betrayal meets another betrayal. That aside, the thing that really bothers me is the amount of subtle changes and omission of details that causes several characters to have a different characteristic. While I understand omitting of details can't be help when adapting it to an anime, I observe that some of characters have added/different behaviour in the anime, and it kinda irks me a little, it feels like they are not the same character. Having binged through the tag game last week in webtoons (I just wanted to watch one scene but ended up going way beyond that), I actually became really disappointed. Before, I was still enjoying the anime despite knowing it was lacking with the characters feeling slightly different. Probably a bad idea to re-read the webtoon lol. The episode, or perhaps the anime as a whole, is really underwhelming, even when not comparing to its webtoon but as an anime itself. If I'm someone who has never read ToG before, I might have already drop the anime a couple of episodes ago. Like many non webtoon reader has mention, the characters feels shallow and insignificant. With that said, if you have only watched the ToG anime and you love it so far, do give the Webtoon a chance! Every chapter/episode is fully colored and the panel style is different from manga, so do give it a shot! I will not agree that the webtoon is not better. Yes the Webtoon explains in a lot more detail of what is happening. But to explain all that in anime form would double the length of episode and episode would be full of just expedition dumbs something that be pretty boring to watch. But from what I seen most of the anime only viewers are enjoying this version a lot. If your expecting a direct adaptation you are going be disappointed but as adaptations good it is a good one, not prefect but good. The problem is not that the adaptation isn't a 1:1 perfect copy of the source material, but the fact that they're changing the personality/behavior of some characters and dumbing them down in terms of intelligence (e.g. Quant). Also, the anime is adding unnecessary scenes like the one in this episode with the eating contest/challenge between Rak and the other Spearbearer instead of using that time more effectively and, for example, explain the range of manipulation for a LightBearer and his lighthouses, what kind of material lighthouses are made of and how they are able to just fly in the air/Shinsu etc. |
| This episode was pretty damn good and Khun is without a doubt the best character in the show(he is kinda carrying it, not gonna lie), but you know what is even better, this comment section. You have the readers who think the anime sucks, the readers who think the anime is a masterpiece, the anime-only watchers who think this is the worst anime ever, the anime-only watchers who think this is the best anime ever, this is such a party. This makes everything so much more funny. |
| Gotta say the twist was really awesome at the end. It kept playing with my expectations and I loved it. Somehow though while the OST is great it just seemed to change too rapidly this episode, almost felt like it didn't flow as well as I would have liked. Overall great episode as usual. That shibisu blush was super cute xD also I really LOVE khun's VA. |
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Seygneur said: Elucid said: Despite a lot of the action, comedy, and suspense being underwhelming, I did like Khun's betrayal at the end, pretty solid twist. Bam shows a little more personality, not much but still welcomed. Some character development from the side characters a little, but still pretty average tier. Didn't dislike this episode, found it OK. Still underwhelming though. I completly agree. The show should have me more invested 8 episodes in, but I feel like it constantly falls short of my expectations. Kinda weird since I am not familiar with the source material. Biggest issue being that there is no greater theme to the show (at least for now). -climbing the tower is the thing everybody does on the side -Bam does not progress the 'plot' as a protagonist -the princesses of Jahad are mere participants; tower politics are not the point either -Side characters could be something to be invested in, but the show tells me not to -Rachel is here but on the sideline, so it is not romance either So what's the point? I will keep watching and wait for something to happen but this is sooo far off organic storytelling. What is the Plot of this story? Can you tell me that. The story being written around the characters right now. |
| Awesome episode I like Aguero and Hatz even more. Hah endorssi doesn t seem to like Rachel that much. Chibisu is funny as usual. Aguero is so cool and Anak is cool as well Aguero strategy and laurence was pretty good. Nice twist. That guy who advise this whole thing seems pretty perceptive 10 out of 10 |
DemonDarknightMay 20, 2020 10:53 AM
| For anyone wondering if Khun will keep being a genius during the entire series/webtoon, yes, he is. The blue turtle is the best character of the series alongside Rak. Bam will always be a hit or miss for me, depending on which arc we are talking about. This time (as some people said above) they cut the entire explanation of the lighthouse trick. It goes more or less like this: Light Bearers (like Khun and Rachel) are the brain of the team. Like the one moving the chess pieces. They can have multiple lighthouses but (since of all the people in the test are beginners) they only have one. What Khun did was to copy his lighthouse, putting one above him and one below (with Anaak on it). There is another factor here, he used a floating stone (an item) to keep Anaak floating barely in the range for him to control his lighthouses (I think it is 10 meters). Quant then destroys the lighthouse above Khun, the whole chat begins and after that is when Khun does the pendulum trick. The fact that they skipped that and added unnecessary scenes (like that thing eating with Rak or some Shibisu shenanigans) hurts a lot the series in general. Also, if they ever do a second season, Shibisu will feel extremely odd to anime-onlys with the amount of bullshit they have added to him. He feels like Dan in the anime, while in the webtoon he is really talented and thoughtful (not as much as Khun though) and he will be more serious in the future. For anyone wondering about world building and exposition, keep in mind this a webtoon of 480 chapters, and the first season covers around 80, so there will be some (most of it has been cut by the anime) and it will slowly develop. Also the webtoon is far from ending so there are a lot of questions still unanswered. The arcs in this series are extremely long (almost One Piece like long) so I think it will be difficult to keep with 12-13 episodes in the future. |
| Bam is simply insufferable. His constant expression of a shitting cat is one thing, but cardboard has more volition. Garu Stu is more of a character than he is. |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
| Khun... you sneaky fox. I absolutely love his character. He's the best. Also a decent episode. Nothing special happened in this episode. Oh... Another thing, . "In the name of Chocolates, I'll crush you" -Rak 2020 |
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GhostRO123 said: The problem is not that the adaptation isn't a 1:1 perfect copy of the source material, but the fact that they're changing the personality/behavior of some characters and dumbing them down in terms of intelligence (e.g. Quant). Also, the anime is adding unnecessary scenes like the one in this episode with the eating contest/challenge between Rak and the other Spearbearer instead of using that time more effectively and, for example, explain the range of manipulation for a LightBearer and his lighthouses, what kind of material lighthouses are made of and how they are able to just fly in the air/Shinsu etc. Yeap, thanks for elaborating it for me. To add on, I'm fine with the anime missing a few details here and there, because minor details can usually still be easily found by doing some quick search, or asking the communities which are often very willing to answer (I believe this goes for most anime). But if the characters are giving a different impression in different medium, it does bugs me. One may argue that these additional actions that the anime portray may be insignificant, but I would like to think that it's usually the small stuffs that defines the characters. But, to each his own. |
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| As expected from Khun's personal agenda, he'll do anything to climb the tower, even betraying his own teammates. What a cliffhanger though, can't wait for next week. |
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| Today's episode was very good! They made the atmosphere darker, and they kind of worked on the relationship between bam and endorsi. The only thing that keeps bothering me is the animation (artstyle too). I don't know, there are times when it is beautiful to see the animation and the art, there are times when it seems that I am watching an animation made by pierrot ( Dunno, just a personal opinion, maybe i just need to get use to the animation style). |
| This episode was okay but goddamn the story is not going anywhere it's just (Never let you go) 6/10 |
SaiDxvLightSep 2, 2020 10:46 AM
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gaussian_ said: Anybody want to give us non-webtoon readers a quick rundown of the rules of this test? The rules explanation last episode was not clear and I'm not finding myself any more enlightened after this episode... So this is what I got from the wiki, since I'd rather not hurt myself thinking up how to explain this properly in full detail. The test lasts until one of the following happens:[1] The Regular team's "It" escapes through one of the two exits. One of the two "Its" has their badge touched by the other "It". The three hour time limit passes. Conditions for victory: The Regular team's "It" escapes through one of the exits. The examiner "It" (Quant) has their badge touched by the Regular team's "It". Conditions for loss: The Regular team's "It" has their badge touched by examiner "It". The three hour time limit runs out. Additional rules: The Regular team's "It" must be a Fisherman. The two "Its" must wear the badge. The examiner "It" (Quant) cannot attack people in the safe zone. Pretty much the "barebone" rules. Sucks that they don't properly explain it in anime form. |
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| I have nothing much to say. Ep 1~tests. Fast forward to ep 8, still tests. I thought everyone trying to climb the tower to have their wish granted. Rankers and examiners doesn't need their wish granted? What happen to everyone for themselves? They're participate in tests at lower floors rather than continue to climbing up the tower. Where are the monsters/dungeons? |
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| Another stale episode. 2/5 |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| Hope they explore more of hwaryun and Rachel so far out of characters that caught my interest. They been in background for awhile. |
| Khun made the whole episode great |
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| Endorsi's "psycho-bitch" laughter is making me cringe... please stop! |
| The directing is pretty meh this episode, but it was pretty solid overall. |
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Senere said: Losing in score to a better adaptation of a better source material is warranted.Hell, it is even losing to Kaguya-Sama in terms of rating and being an epic fantasy genre, I can guarantee that everyone can agree that ToG under-performed. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| Episode was fine! Animation wasn't that great. I feel like they could have made the rules a bit more clearer for those who haven't read the web-toon like me, i was kind of a bit lost during the episode. The anime hasn't hooked me yet, but i am curious. Hope to see something big in the coming episodes! |
| - "You copied the lighthouse" They're basically removing the option of controlling multiple lighthouses which is a BIG THING in the manhwa. They also did not actually make lighthouses light up dark places, eince that is the entire initial point of it. In the anime, there is always light in some places and darkness in others, even though the lighthouse flies around. - They are avoiding to explain how shinsu works, which implies shinsu will remain the never explained floating water. Instead of silly scenes with Ghost and Rak eating chocolates, they could've explained that. Not because they are turning Ghost into comic relief, but because it makes everything so vague. Example: "Quant's shinsu usage in the test is limited" - how much? How exactly is it limited? In the anime, it seems Khun is more lucky than smart, while in manhwa he had exact answers to these questions and the only thing he needed to predict was that Quant would accept his help in jumping up. - They made Quant use shinsu reinforcement instead of blocking light with shinsu, which means they've decided shinsu won't be doing anything more than making you stronger and splashing enemies with water. This is a seriously huge deal, because it implies they're not even hoping of this going longer than a few seasons. To anime-onlies: ToG is a slow burner, and it takes time to become amazing. However, we are hitting that point. Manhwa is just much better. Plain and simple, this is just too rushed, and they are changing things that turned out to be setups for something much more important. I'm not talking about things that changed to jam a million chapters in 13 eps, but things that took the same amount of time to show but were done differently without gaining anything except making some characters inconsistent. If you even remotely like the anime, you will love the manhwa (the art gets better later). The anime has IMO mostly been (except VAs and sound in general) a disappointment. EDIT - a big part of ToG enjoyment comes from lore and world building. Not explaining even shinsu for the entirety of the first season is an implication it will never be the case with the anime. |
TTstMay 20, 2020 11:57 AM
| Another solid episode of Tower of Betrayal. Hoping Bam confronts Rachel next episode so there are some answers and Bam starts getting some character development. Oh and Rak is still the best character. |
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| in the name of choco bars I will defeat you! say something dammit proceeds to yumyumyumyumyum I mean, I want to hate the guy but damn. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| Seeing Quant in action was cool, he may be an airhead but he's still a Ranker and shouldn't be underestimated. Khun's betrayal is something I didn't really see coming, but it added an interesting twist/dynamic to the test. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. Take me back to the days before MAL became infested with Twitter's favorite buzzwords. |
HeroVladimir93 said: I like Tower of God, I really do, but I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up with the whole "plans within schemes within strategies" route the show is taking. Khun deceives a lot of people in this episode, both the test administrator and his teammates, and while he does it for a friend, I wasn't convinced by the mental gymnastics the show did in order to avoid framing his actions as a betrayal. That's because it was explained awfully, like most things in the anime. Basically, only a limited number can pass for each position. So, if team A got to the exit, everyone in the team would get 100k points, including wave controllers. That means, it would decrease the chance of Bam passing. Since they didn't get to the exit, they will be scored per their performance, and the wave controllers didn't really do much. He did everything he could to ensure his true team passed, since Lauroe and Shibisu already had enough points to pass. |
| It's now time for Kami no Uragiri. Quite a good episode with worse animation compared to the previous episodes. I hope the reason is that they saved the animation budget for the latter episodes. |
| If you read Eleceed you're automatically my friend. |
| Another week and another episode of the season's most popular series (The awesome) Tower of God. This time, we saw how Team A performed on the Hide and Seek test, and it was very good, with lots of twists and turns (all courtesy of # 1 Khun). Very interesting episode, mainly due to the "betrayal" of Khun and Lauroe. Now we can only wait for the next one to see how it will be for team B #KhunIsGOAT |
CodyII said: Yeah, i agree, even something as simple as "at your level you can probably control 2 lighthouses, so where is the other one?" would have been much better than him apparently copying his lighthouse. It would have basically taken the same time, even if you wanted to skip all the info on suspendium, whilst also telling viewers that more experienced lightbearers can control many lighthouses. This doesn't feel like a case of time constraint (especially with the all those added scenes of Rak) but just pure laziness. Then again after skipping all that info on shinsu, maybe they're actively trying to not explain the power system though i really can't imagine why. Exactly. Not only that, but at this point everyone knows he can copy things, it would really be stupid for him to try to rely on that, even as a bluff. Replacing the reel with Green April is fine, but the lighthouse/shinsu part is just actively avoiding worldbuilding for zero benefit whatsoever. |
| This a pretty good episode. Khun's and Lauroe's betrayal was unexpected but I guess he figured out the true aim of the test. Knowing Khun, it shouldn't be unexpected. Looking forward to next week's episode. |
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| I'm just going to pretend I understand what happened lol |
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