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Mar 2, 2015 10:16 PM
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kymano said:

Considering why would Mazuurek help Asseylum? Take this if a Admiral sniffed you out and found that you had allies on the enemies side,not only that but he knew the names of those whom you are allied with ,would thing be looking good for you? BLACKMAIL is more like it and Slaine wont be happy when he finds out whats Mazuurek's up to.


Wow just wow........did you forget the counts are loyal to Royal family aka the King and the Princess?
Did you also forget that there was a "so-called" boring episode where Inaho and mazuurek talked about stuff including Inaho saying that the Princess liked the Earth and they were working together, Saazbaum plotted the assassination and the Princess up there is fake and also told him to investigate Slaine Tryhard.

Mazuurek has been shown to be one the counts with better attitude and like the other he is loyal to the Princess. He doesn't like pointless aggression and killings as already shown in previous episodes. Why won't he help the princess? Stop making shit theories since you don't even watch the show properly. Then again, that's all slaine apologists are good at doing.

Mar 2, 2015 11:23 PM

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The Baseless desperation of people trying to paint Mazurek as the villain to justify their insane fujoshi bait boy toy is always so entertaining.
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Darklight0303 said:
The Baseless desperation of people trying to paint Mazurek as the victim to justify their insane fujoshi bait boy toy is always so entertaining.


I think you meant "Villain". Out of all the counts, they go blaming the nicest one........

We get to discover a new higher level for these delusional people.

DELUSIONAL LEVEL : SLAINE

Mar 3, 2015 12:27 AM

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Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Darklight0303 said:
The Baseless desperation of people trying to paint Mazurek as the victim to justify their insane fujoshi bait boy toy is always so entertaining.


I think you meant "Villain". Out of all the counts, they go blaming the nicest one........

We get to discover a new higher level for these delusional people.

DELUSIONAL LEVEL : SLAINE


You would be correct sir. That's what I get for going on the forums right before having coffee
Mar 3, 2015 2:59 AM

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What the hell?

Mazuurek has been clearly established as a "good guy" type count who cares about "the truth" and is "reasonable."

It would be a potentially interesting twist but also completely WTF-worthy if he were to actually be putting on an act or something, especially when he's not around anyone (wandering the desert, comfortable in the confines of his own castle) and was actually a bad guy.

It ain't happening. It just isn't how he's written, and a hard twist like that is more likely to fail than succeed.
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Are Inaho & other crews are now try being such a pussy?!

They were cornered by 3 Vers men & manage to escape from Deaculion pretty easily! Way to go, you morons! I'm anxiously expected that Marito is gonna die in this one but NOOOOO!!!

You pretty sure you'll get fucked once again when these 3 Vers goons attacks deucalion & breaks in for sure!

DAMN, THIS SHOW REALLY TRYING TO GET ME NERVES ONCE MORE!!! So what's next?!
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Dragon_Slayer_X said:
kymano said:

Considering why would Mazuurek help Asseylum? Take this if a Admiral sniffed you out and found that you had allies on the enemies side,not only that but he knew the names of those whom you are allied with ,would thing be looking good for you? BLACKMAIL is more like it and Slaine wont be happy when he finds out whats Mazuurek's up to.


Wow just wow........did you forget the counts are loyal to Royal family aka the King and the Princess?
Did you also forget that there was a "so-called" boring episode where Inaho and mazuurek talked about stuff including Inaho saying that the Princess liked the Earth and they were working together, Saazbaum plotted the assassination and the Princess up there is fake and also told him to investigate Slaine Tryhard.

Mazuurek has been shown to be one the counts with better attitude and like the other he is loyal to the Princess. He doesn't like pointless aggression and killings as already shown in previous episodes. Why won't he help the princess? Stop making shit theories since you don't even watch the show properly. Then again, that's all slaine apologists are good at doing.

Oh yeah forgetting it was a "Count" who atattempted to assassinate the princess twice to kick off a war the Counts were itching for.Sure Mazuurek was never the aggressive type all he wanted was to sieze Earth's resources to expand his wealth, aint nothing wrong with that I guess.Oh wait no he cant anymore since Inaho mopped him and UFE took away his mecha.Not to mention thank you Asseylum for giving Terrans the warship.He said with a smile.
Something about this guy rubs me the wrong way.
Mar 3, 2015 5:48 AM

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kymano said:
Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Wow just wow........did you forget the counts are loyal to Royal family aka the King and the Princess?
Did you also forget that there was a "so-called" boring episode where Inaho and mazuurek talked about stuff including Inaho saying that the Princess liked the Earth and they were working together, Saazbaum plotted the assassination and the Princess up there is fake and also told him to investigate Slaine Tryhard.

Mazuurek has been shown to be one the counts with better attitude and like the other he is loyal to the Princess. He doesn't like pointless aggression and killings as already shown in previous episodes. Why won't he help the princess? Stop making shit theories since you don't even watch the show properly. Then again, that's all slaine apologists are good at doing.

Oh yeah forgetting it was a "Count" who atattempted to assassinate the princess twice to kick off a war the Counts were itching for.Sure Mazuurek was never the aggressive type all he wanted was to sieze Earth's resources to expand his wealth, aint nothing wrong with that I guess.Oh wait no he cant anymore since Inaho mopped him and UFE took away his mecha.Not to mention thank you Asseylum for giving Terrans the warship.He said with a smile.
Something about this guy rubs me the wrong way.
kymano said:
Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Wow just wow........did you forget the counts are loyal to Royal family aka the King and the Princess?
Did you also forget that there was a "so-called" boring episode where Inaho and mazuurek talked about stuff including Inaho saying that the Princess liked the Earth and they were working together, Saazbaum plotted the assassination and the Princess up there is fake and also told him to investigate Slaine Tryhard.

Mazuurek has been shown to be one the counts with better attitude and like the other he is loyal to the Princess. He doesn't like pointless aggression and killings as already shown in previous episodes. Why won't he help the princess? Stop making shit theories since you don't even watch the show properly. Then again, that's all slaine apologists are good at doing.

Oh yeah forgetting it was a "Count" who atattempted to assassinate the princess twice to kick off a war the Counts were itching for.Sure Mazuurek was never the aggressive type all he wanted was to sieze Earth's resources to expand his wealth, aint nothing wrong with that I guess.Oh wait no he cant anymore since Inaho mopped him and UFE took away his mecha.Not to mention thank you Asseylum for giving Terrans the warship.He said with a smile.
Something about this guy rubs me the wrong way.


You realize not all counts are assholes right? Your paranoia and desperation is bordering on the ludicrous now
Mar 3, 2015 5:55 AM
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Darklight0303 said:
The Baseless desperation of people trying to paint Mazurek as the villain to justify their insane fujoshi bait boy toy is always so entertaining.

That doesnt mean im letting Slaine off the hook, he could be the true villain its just that Mazuurek seems like that kind of guy the writer introduced that looks too trustworthy and that is ver rare among the Counts.
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kymano said:

Oh yeah forgetting it was a "Count" who atattempted to assassinate the princess twice to kick off a war the Counts were itching for.Sure Mazuurek was never the aggressive type all he wanted was to sieze Earth's resources to expand his wealth, aint nothing wrong with that I guess.Oh wait no he cant anymore since Inaho mopped him and UFE took away his mecha.Not to mention thank you Asseylum for giving Terrans the warship.He said with a smile.
Something about this guy rubs me the wrong way.


Can someone translate this Fan Fiction to me? It's stopped making sense from the first word and doesn't resemble anything that happened so far.

You know Mazuurek was defending his territory like the rest of the counts and as the Royal family ordered. He didn't go out of his way to pointless aggression as already shown. Yet here you are making up some bullshit to support your fujoshi bait Slaine because you can't believe he has gone completely insane.........the delusion is way too strong.

You like the baitshit-insane-power hungry-obsessive stalker Slaine Tryhard yet Mazuurek, the nicest of the counts shown so far rubs you the wrong way for absolutely no good reason. For the last time, RE-WATCH the entire show and try to make some sense with your shit theories.

Again i will say it.........

DELUSIONAL LEVEL : SLAINE

Achievement unlocked by kymano.

Mar 3, 2015 7:11 AM
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Invisibility, Clones, and Lightning....So that was Inaho vs Kakashi?

Anyway, great episode as usual, I don't care if this anime has plot holes or unrealistic...this isn't a real-life footage after all.



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RayAdha said:
Invisibility, Clones, and Lightning....So that was Inaho vs Kakashi?

Anyway, great episode as usual, I don't care if this anime has plot holes or unrealistic...this isn't a real-life footage after all.

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3 counts with Lighting, Invisibility and clones : 0

Slaine has thrown away Lemera hime away.

Inaho's eye effecting him. Soon permanent : O

Marzuk gave back the necklace.

Asseylum remembers : OOO

Lemera Hime finds out she's awake : O
Mar 3, 2015 11:36 AM
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Dragon_Slayer_X said:
kymano said:

Oh yeah forgetting it was a "Count" who atattempted to assassinate the princess twice to kick off a war the Counts were itching for.Sure Mazuurek was never the aggressive type all he wanted was to sieze Earth's resources to expand his wealth, aint nothing wrong with that I guess.Oh wait no he cant anymore since Inaho mopped him and UFE took away his mecha.Not to mention thank you Asseylum for giving Terrans the warship.He said with a smile.
Something about this guy rubs me the wrong way.


Can someone translate this Fan Fiction to me? It's stopped making sense from the first word and doesn't resemble anything that happened so far.

You know Mazuurek was defending his territory like the rest of the counts and as the Royal family ordered. He didn't go out of his way to pointless aggression as already shown. Yet here you are making up some bullshit to support your fujoshi bait Slaine because you can't believe he has gone completely insane.........the delusion is way too strong.

You like the baitshit-insane-power hungry-obsessive stalker Slaine Tryhard yet Mazuurek, the nicest of the counts shown so far rubs you the wrong way for absolutely no good reason. For the last time, RE-WATCH the entire show and try to make some sense with your shit theories.

Again i will say it.........

DELUSIONAL LEVEL : SLAINE

Achievement unlocked by kymano.

Im having a hard time conversating with you since you blow up with random curse words.Calm down its just anime , cant people be free to make assumptions of a character that might look suspicious to thEm? Also did you just say that Mazuurek was defending his territory, since when did the UFE give land to Martians , I thought they were the invaders the whole time.Guess I missed that part.
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kymano said:
Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Can someone translate this Fan Fiction to me? It's stopped making sense from the first word and doesn't resemble anything that happened so far.

You know Mazuurek was defending his territory like the rest of the counts and as the Royal family ordered. He didn't go out of his way to pointless aggression as already shown. Yet here you are making up some bullshit to support your fujoshi bait Slaine because you can't believe he has gone completely insane.........the delusion is way too strong.

You like the baitshit-insane-power hungry-obsessive stalker Slaine Tryhard yet Mazuurek, the nicest of the counts shown so far rubs you the wrong way for absolutely no good reason. For the last time, RE-WATCH the entire show and try to make some sense with your shit theories.

Again i will say it.........

DELUSIONAL LEVEL : SLAINE

Achievement unlocked by kymano.

Im having a hard time conversating with you since you blow up with random curse words.Calm down its just anime , cant people be free to make assumptions of a character that might look suspicious to thEm? Also did you just say that Mazuurek was defending his territory, since when did the UFE give land to Martians , I thought they were the invaders the whole time.Guess I missed that part.


Convenient how you remember Mars are invading when Slaine can be defended with that argument and not when he's deliberately supporting the invasion in his grand delusion that such a thing will bring about the world his precious princess desires
Mar 3, 2015 11:43 AM
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Darklight0303 said:
kymano said:

Im having a hard time conversating with you since you blow up with random curse words.Calm down its just anime , cant people be free to make assumptions of a character that might look suspicious to thEm? Also did you just say that Mazuurek was defending his territory, since when did the UFE give land to Martians , I thought they were the invaders the whole time.Guess I missed that part.


Convenient how you remember Mars are invading when Slaine can be defended with that argument and not when he's deliberately supporting the invasion in his grand delusion that such a thing will bring about the world his precious princess desires

So you confirm that Slaine is with Mars, Mazuurek is with Mars , Mars is one invading , supportive or non-supoortive of the invasion as long as you are benefitting from the war.I find it suspicious that you are looking to help end it.
Mar 3, 2015 12:37 PM
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kymano said:
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I pay more attention to foreshadowing than you ever will with your fanfictions

Are you this ignorant or are you so caught up in this phobia against Slaine to not see any of these events? Mazuurek cannot be the good guy when he clearly benefits off this war, why would he want to help Asseylum after he knew she screwed him over?


Woow, I see you are really creative :'D It seems so obvious to me...that Mazuurek pledged obediency to Slaine just to be safe...the answers Lemrina and then Edelrittuo gave him assured him of sth being fishy as fcuk. Then he caused Asseylum to remember Inaho because of that pendant...yes, just to help Slaine lol...very clever indeed.
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kymano said:
Darklight0303 said:


Convenient how you remember Mars are invading when Slaine can be defended with that argument and not when he's deliberately supporting the invasion in his grand delusion that such a thing will bring about the world his precious princess desires

So you confirm that Slaine is with Mars, Mazuurek is with Mars , Mars is one invading , supportive or non-supoortive of the invasion as long as you are benefitting from the war.I find it suspicious that you are looking to help end it.


....How the fuck did you manage to miss the point of my jab so completely is beyond me.
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Dragon_Slayer_X said:

Can someone translate this Fan Fiction to me? It's stopped making sense from the first word and doesn't resemble anything that happened so far.

You know Mazuurek was defending his territory like the rest of the counts and as the Royal family ordered. He didn't go out of his way to pointless aggression as already shown. Yet here you are making up some bullshit to support your fujoshi bait Slaine because you can't believe he has gone completely insane.........the delusion is way too strong.

You like the baitshit-insane-power hungry-obsessive stalker Slaine Tryhard yet Mazuurek, the nicest of the counts shown so far rubs you the wrong way for absolutely no good reason. For the last time, RE-WATCH the entire show and try to make some sense with your shit theories.

Again i will say it.........

DELUSIONAL LEVEL : SLAINE

Achievement unlocked by kymano.


Wow, you have shown the level of your tolerance to creative thinking. A guy is just throwing around ideas and you strangle him. I expect this kind of stuff from Darklight and CookingPriest, but not you. I still don't understand how you guys can justify yourselves as the "heroes" of these threads when you say obnoxious things like this. Jesus Christ Almighty Dragon_Slayer, do you have no self-awareness? No wonder these threads turn into flame wars.

Anyways, I highly doubt that what kymano is saying comes true. This is partly because I'm familiar with A/Z's writing and mostly because the show is about to wrap up. It would be a complete wtf moment if he ends up having ill intentions. However, he does have a point about Maz's characters making little sense. I'll quote what I said before

The one thing that I find confusing is Mazuurek's intentions. Like, remind me again how this guy even became a count. He seems to have no problem stepping on fellow Martians in this feudal system, but he feels sympathy for terrans? Why just the terrans? Shouldn't he want Earth's resources to help his people with next to nothing? He seemed to be completely fine with how things were going before since he is as upper class as you can get. What does he think will happen once everything is revealed? Does he even care? I guess he was friends with Saazbaum, so that is my only guess to why he seems so hellbent on exposing the truth. I realize that he is being used as the biggest instrument of Slaine's demise in the story, but I hope we see some future sight or at least some ideas from his perspective.
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Pretty good episode overall. One of the better ones so far this cour.

On one hand, the opening sequence was a bit disappointing. Like we've seen many times before, a hyped up battle ends up having little to no meaning in the grand scheme of thing, with a few fodder characters dying and the important damages to the Ducalion negated due to Inaho's cyborg eye.

That said, the rest of the episode was great. Lots of plot progression; especially in the areas that have been the most compelling thus far (the Vers side of things more specifically). Things are playing out largely as I suspected thus far, and from here on out things will continue to become even more interesting.

Edit: One positive for the opening battle: Inaho actually showed some emotion. For the first time that I can remember, he actually raised his voice and spoke with urgency. That was the one positive in an otherwise anti-climactic encounter.
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Nobody died, disappointing. Deucalion came and saved the day.

So Inaho can read altitude and get radio through his eye, damn. I wonder if he also has full access to Netflix or some shit. Fuck, next episode he'll probably get Geass too. Although to be fair, I do like the eye a bit. Without it, we'd have to put up with shit like "due to the particular angle of that tree over there, compared with the assumed speed we're flying at and the fact that aliens wear purple hats, the diameter of pie is potato, thus showing our altitude is exactly 9200." I'd take the eye over that any day.

Oh my, blondie remembers and pinky is going yandere. This'll be good, Slaine is in deep shit and he knows it. I wonder if Harklight is going to pull something too, just for shits and giggles. And how will Slaine handle the whole marriage situation, lol.

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In regards to Inaho, I will not be surprised if this guy's eye takes over him and he goes full cyborg without a mind of his own...


I still maintain the fact that he has the personality of a toaster, so maybe this would be a positive change.
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kymano said:

That doesnt mean im letting Slaine off the hook, he could be the true villain its just that Mazuurek seems like that kind of guy the writer introduced that looks too trustworthy and that is ver rare among the Counts.


He's not being particularly trustworthy or anything.

It's obviously implied very heavily that Inaho told Mazuurek during the time he was imprisoned on Earth about the fake princess Assleyeum and told him to investigate that for himself.
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my fav character now is the necklace
look at it bling
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Savethebestforu said:
The one thing that I find confusing is Mazuurek's intentions. Like, remind me again how this guy even became a count. He seems to have no problem stepping on fellow Martians in this feudal system, but he feels sympathy for terrans? Why just the terrans? Shouldn't he want Earth's resources to help his people with next to nothing? He seemed to be completely fine with how things were going before since he is as upper class as you can get. What does he think will happen once everything is revealed? Does he even care? I guess he was friends with Saazbaum, so that is my only guess to why he seems so hellbent on exposing the truth. I realize that he is being used as the biggest instrument of Slaine's demise in the story, but I hope we see some future sight or at least some ideas from his perspective.


Yeah not a lot has been shown about him. Since his introduction, it would seem that his allegiance is primarily to Asseylum (or perhaps more specifically, to the crown).

Here's my interpretation: He doesn't feel as strongly in favour of their campaign as most Vers, in fact he seems somewhat sympathetic towards the Terran, but as the invasion was being endorsed by Asselyum (Lemrina), he did as he was told.

Inaho put enough doubt in his mind that Asseylum was actually an imposter for him to be curious enough to investigate for himself. I don't doubt other Vers may have suspected the same based on her complete backflip in stance on the Terran, but as its mutual with their own goals then they likely couldn't care less. Mazuurek on the other hand isn't in it for himself, and if there's fowl play involving Asseylum, he feels it his responsibility to help her in whatever way he can.

There's a few assumptions there, but I think it fits for the most part. As you say, he's there to play a very specific role in this story, so they haven't gone to great lengths to explain his character beyond what's necessary.
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Shadzy_ said:
Savethebestforu said:
The one thing that I find confusing is Mazuurek's intentions. Like, remind me again how this guy even became a count. He seems to have no problem stepping on fellow Martians in this feudal system, but he feels sympathy for terrans? Why just the terrans? Shouldn't he want Earth's resources to help his people with next to nothing? He seemed to be completely fine with how things were going before since he is as upper class as you can get. What does he think will happen once everything is revealed? Does he even care? I guess he was friends with Saazbaum, so that is my only guess to why he seems so hellbent on exposing the truth. I realize that he is being used as the biggest instrument of Slaine's demise in the story, but I hope we see some future sight or at least some ideas from his perspective.


Yeah not a lot has been shown about him. Since his introduction, it would seem that his allegiance is primarily to Asseylum (or perhaps more specifically, to the crown).

Here's my interpretation: He doesn't feel as strongly in favour of their campaign as most Vers, in fact he seems somewhat sympathetic towards the Terran, but as the invasion was being endorsed by Asselyum (Lemrina), he did as he was told.

Inaho put enough doubt in his mind that Asseylum was actually an imposter for him to be curious enough to investigate for himself. I don't doubt other Vers may have suspected the same based on her complete backflip in stance on the Terran, but as its mutual with their own goals then they likely couldn't care less. Mazuurek on the other hand isn't in it for himself, and if there's fowl play involving Asseylum, he feels it his responsibility to help her in whatever way he can.

There's a few assumptions there, but I think it fits for the most part. As you say, he's there to play a very specific role in this story, so they haven't gone to great lengths to explain his character beyond what's necessary.


If he is supposed to be the new face of Vers after the war, it will be somewhat disappointing because it is clear that his kind would be in the minority. And even so, I think he does has an interest for the war to continue because if peace is concluded, what will be the terms then ? Will Vers be better off afterwards? Will there be enough resources to keep them happy? If not, then war would most certainly explode again. So long as there is a reason for them to keep fighting, they will continue.

While Mazuurek may side with the Princess, it does not mean that he will side with the Terrans automatically. He is a strange character to be sure, but his combat with the Terrans does shows that he is willing to commit violence to further Vers's interests.

And damn I would be pissed if the peace treaty was concluded because of "Lets just all settle and be friends" reason, not when the reason for it starting was based on economic and political factors.
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What the hell?

Mazuurek has been clearly established as a "good guy" type count who cares about "the truth" and is "reasonable."

It would be a potentially interesting twist but also completely WTF-worthy if he were to actually be putting on an act or something, especially when he's not around anyone (wandering the desert, comfortable in the confines of his own castle) and was actually a bad guy.

It ain't happening. It just isn't how he's written, and a hard twist like that is more likely to fail than succeed.


Well "good" and "reasonable" does not necessarily mean that he would support peace automatically, thats what I am thinking. His main objective is to understand what is actually going on with Slaine and the Princess. And what happens after that is anyone's guess.
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Savethebestforu said:

Wow, you have shown the level of your tolerance to creative thinking. A guy is just throwing around ideas and you strangle him. I expect this kind of stuff from Darklight and CookingPriest, but not you. I still don't understand how you guys can justify yourselves as the "heroes" of these threads when you say obnoxious things like this. Jesus Christ Almighty Dragon_Slayer, do you have no self-awareness? No wonder these threads turn into flame wars.

Anyways, I highly doubt that what kymano is saying comes true. This is partly because I'm familiar with A/Z's writing and mostly because the show is about to wrap up. It would be a complete wtf moment if he ends up having ill intentions. However, he does have a point about Maz's characters making little sense. I'll quote what I said before


I don't have much tolerance for some so called creative thinking that goes against everything shown so far and conveniently forgets parts of the show which in turn becomes some delusional fan fictions and for slaine apologists who still try to paint him as a "Hero" even after this episode and make up whatever random excuses they can make. Besides your second part answers the obvious questions.

Besides we never declared ourselves as "heroes", you are the ones coming up with those titles you know. Besides you should talk about self-awareness and common sense to some of those slaine apologists..............their logic gives me a severe case of headache sometimes.

Mazuurek's intentions may not clear to some people but at least he is not on the favor of pointless aggression and goes out his way to avoid too much destruction. He is interested in Earth rather than seeing it a place for plundering. His loyalty is with the Royal family. Slaine's sudden and suspicious rise to power, the talks with Inaho about the Princess and other things, the awkward and hasty conversation between him and Bahocruz(sorry don't completely remember the name atm) about Princess's declaration and losing Aldnoah rights..........with so much going on things will obviously seem suspicious to someone. It's nor like the othe counts don't suspect anything but they are convinced/fearful after the Princess's declaration and Mazuurek has more information than them. He is more like Cruheto who is loyal and isn't looking for excuses to go to war and also he doesn't hate Earth. Why shouldn't he try to find out the truth? I don't see how this makes Mazuurek suspicious to someone when his character is more or less shown pretty straight forwardly.

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Yeah, I must agree that you, anti-Slaine party, have turned this thread into a special kind of a hell-hole. But you forget that you have no right to define which interpretations can be presented here and which not.

I don't agree with kymano's logic and his view of Mazuurek, but he offers explanations, so it doesn't look like he is trolling. And as far as speculations about the future development go his are as good as yours.

Throwing words like "fanfiction", "shit theories" and so on in response to polite comments is really low. If your hate towards a fictional character has almost stripped you of means of normal human communication, isn't it time to think that maybe you are the too agitated one here?

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Viktor_Otaku said:
And damn I would be pissed if the peace treaty was concluded because of "Lets just all settle and be friends" reason, not when the reason for it starting was based on economic and political factors.


It totally will be. The story heavily shifted into black and white conflict (while promo materials and Saazbaum's plotline suggest that it was supposed to be shades of grey conflict), so the knights are supposed to betray their side simply because it is bad. So to say "the good guys can't support it out of beauty of their souls" or something.

Well, form what I have learned about the psychology of people during conflict it's not completely unrealistic, but the fact that psychological insights in A.Z are random and no broad picture is offered hurts the coherence of Mazuurek's character.

And I agree that the reasoning behind his intervention should've been given. We don't know if he is co concerned about the propriety and honor (he can't accept a false princess) or if he is against war and his stance on the problems of martians and the whole orbital knights movement.
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Yeah, I must agree that you, anti-Slaine party, have turned this thread into a special kind of a hell-hole. But you forget that you have no right to define what interpretations can be presented here and what not.

I don't agree with kymano's logic and his view of Mazuurek, but he offers explanations, so it doesn't look like he is trolling. And as far as speculations about the future development go his are as good as yours.

Throwing words like "fanfiction", "shit theories" and so on in response to polite comments is really low. If your hate towards a fictional character has almost stripped you of means of normal human communication, isn't it time to think that maybe you are the too agitated one here?

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And damn I would be pissed if the peace treaty was concluded because of "Lets just all settle and be friends" reason, not when the reason for it starting was based on economic and political factors.


It totally will be. The story heavily shifted into black and white conflict (while promo materials and Saazbaum's plotline suggest that it was supposed to be shades of grey conflict), so the knights are supposed to betray their side simply because it is bad. So to say "the good guys can't support it out of beauty of their souls" or something.

Well, form what I have learned about the psychology of people during conflict it's not completely unrealistic, but the fact that psychological insights in A.Z are random and no broad picture is offered hurts the coherence of Mazuurek's character.

And I agree that the reasoning behind his intervention should've been given. We don't know if he is co concerned about the propriety and honor (he can't accept a false princess) or if he is against war and his stance on the problems of martians and the whole orbital knights movement.


Offers explanations? No he offers fantasy and nothing else. His so called theories contradict and ommit facts from the show itself.

This conflict was never gray. To say that is to say that a hobo who happens to come across a really big gun has every right to burglar into the house of a person who is better off than them.
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Offers explanations? No he offers fantasy and nothing else. His so called theories contradict and ommit facts from the show itself.


He does explain his pov in a readable English. So what if he looks at things defferently?
You know you can just disagree politely without throwing accusations, verbal abuse and swear words everywhere?
(Btw the show itself is space fantasy, so I can't see how this word can be offensive in this context.)

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This conflict was never gray. To say that is to say that a hobo who happens to come across a really big gun has every right to burglar into the house of a person who is better off than them.

Nah, it was initially. There was a lot of info that suggested that the Earth too was to blame for the current situation. Their greed drove the martians to desperation initially, and they built Vers on that desperation.
Saazbaum also says that the knights are expressing the will of people.
Equal attention to both sides of the conflict also suggests that it was supposed to be a clash of two povs, each with its own logic.
Unfortunately A.Z's appaling writing can't into psychology, so the terrans side is more or less ok, since their goal is self-evident, while the position of martians remains unclear.
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Slaine is going to run into trouble soon if he does not at least acknowledge Lemrina's feeling. Guess both Slaine and Inaho are oblivious.
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Slaine is going to run into trouble soon if he does not at least acknowledge Lemrina's feeling. Guess both Slaine and Inaho are oblivious.


I don't think its correct to Slaine is oblivious in this case. He'd be perfectly aware of Lemrina's feelings as she hasn't exactly made it subtle. However, above all else what he needs right now is for her to cooperate with him, and if that means leading her on then so be it.

Like I said a while ago, it seems likely that this is going to come back to haunt Slaine big time. She now knows that Asseylum has woken up, and will probably deduce that Slaine has been lying to her. Whether that's enough to tip her completely over the edge remains to be seen, but its going to cause some waves for sure.
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Hikari_Saisei said:
Slaine is going to run into trouble soon if he does not at least acknowledge Lemrina's feeling. Guess both Slaine and Inaho are oblivious.


I don't think its correct to Slaine is oblivious in this case. He'd be perfectly aware of Lemrina's feelings as she hasn't exactly made it subtle. However, above all else what he needs right now is for her to cooperate with him, and if that means leading her on then so be it.

Like I said a while ago, it seems likely that this is going to come back to haunt Slaine big time. She now knows that Asseylum has woken up, and will probably deduce that Slaine has been lying to her. Whether that's enough to tip her completely over the edge remains to be seen, but its going to cause some waves for sure.


He's doing a shitty job of leading her on given she got so frustrated she went to check on Asselyum herself
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Shadzy_ said:


I don't think its correct to Slaine is oblivious in this case. He'd be perfectly aware of Lemrina's feelings as she hasn't exactly made it subtle. However, above all else what he needs right now is for her to cooperate with him, and if that means leading her on then so be it.

Like I said a while ago, it seems likely that this is going to come back to haunt Slaine big time. She now knows that Asseylum has woken up, and will probably deduce that Slaine has been lying to her. Whether that's enough to tip her completely over the edge remains to be seen, but its going to cause some waves for sure.


He's doing a shitty job of leading her on given she got so frustrated she went to check on Asselyum herself


Not really. Look at how much she's done for him so far this series, I'd say he's gotten exactly what he wanted out of her.
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Yeah not a lot has been shown about him. Since his introduction, it would seem that his allegiance is primarily to Asseylum (or perhaps more specifically, to the crown).

Here's my interpretation: He doesn't feel as strongly in favour of their campaign as most Vers, in fact he seems somewhat sympathetic towards the Terran, but as the invasion was being endorsed by Asselyum (Lemrina), he did as he was told.

Inaho put enough doubt in his mind that Asseylum was actually an imposter for him to be curious enough to investigate for himself. I don't doubt other Vers may have suspected the same based on her complete backflip in stance on the Terran, but as its mutual with their own goals then they likely couldn't care less. Mazuurek on the other hand isn't in it for himself, and if there's fowl play involving Asseylum, he feels it his responsibility to help her in whatever way he can.

There's a few assumptions there, but I think it fits for the most part. As you say, he's there to play a very specific role in this story, so they haven't gone to great lengths to explain his character beyond what's necessary.


If he is supposed to be the new face of Vers after the war, it will be somewhat disappointing because it is clear that his kind would be in the minority. And even so, I think he does has an interest for the war to continue because if peace is concluded, what will be the terms then ? Will Vers be better off afterwards? Will there be enough resources to keep them happy? If not, then war would most certainly explode again. So long as there is a reason for them to keep fighting, they will continue.

While Mazuurek may side with the Princess, it does not mean that he will side with the Terrans automatically. He is a strange character to be sure, but his combat with the Terrans does shows that he is willing to commit violence to further Vers's interests.

And damn I would be pissed if the peace treaty was concluded because of "Lets just all settle and be friends" reason, not when the reason for it starting was based on economic and political factors.


I don't know about new face of the Vers... When I say specific role I'm referring to his involvement in disrupting Slaine's plans from a storytelling perspective. His character was created to do exactly what he's doing right now. I honestly don't expect the character to survive the season at all, though it certainly is possible.

I have no doubt he has other motivations. He's likely driven to fight for his people just like the other Vers are, but unlike them he just doesn't see the Terran as being sub-human.

Edit: Wording.
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Offers explanations? No he offers fantasy and nothing else. His so called theories contradict and ommit facts from the show itself.

This conflict was never gray. To say that is to say that a hobo who happens to come across a really big gun has every right to burglar into the house of a person who is better off than them.


No this is where you are wrong, the writers did a great job in setting the background of the war. It was not a " I hate you, you hate me , lets kill each other" teenage hormone fueled anime. But is based on real life realities, but some where along the line they fall off the band wagon and royally screwed everything up.

And if you read the promo materials, Earth had also done things to sour relations between Vers. One such incident was stashing weapons and supplies on the moon portal base, something which was expressly forbidden.
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All in all Mazuurek's character is just going to be one of those oddballs that pop out of no where with,sadly, little or no explanation to why or how he came to be that way due to time constraint and appallingly poor story-telling.
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I don't know about new face of the Vers... When I say specific role I'm referring to his involvement in disrupting Slaine's plans from a storytelling perspective. His character was created to do exactly what he's doing right now. I honestly don't expect the character to survive the season at all, though it certainly is possible.

I have no doubt he has other motivations. He's likely driven to fight for his people just like the other Vers are, but unlike them he just doesn't see the Terran as being sub-human.

Edit: Wording.


I am just saying that people should not expect Mazuurek to be the silver bullet to solving all problems from burns to stopping wars.
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He's doing a shitty job of leading her on given she got so frustrated she went to check on Asselyum herself


Not really. Look at how much she's done for him so far this series, I'd say he's gotten exactly what he wanted out of her.


Except now she knows the truth so things are going to take a turn for the worse for him.
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Finally caught up to this series, now for my problems.

1. I wanted to this to become a guilty crown kind of trainwreck, sort of like you watch for the thrill and stupidity. This is just incredibly boring. Every battle is exactly the same, the same background soldiers in mechas dies to signify so how threatening the fight is. Martians basically barking the same one liners "earth scum" okay I get it. Inaho saves the day again and again. Shounen power up fight sequences. Absolutely no tactics if its not Inaho just telling his harem to do. I get it every episode.

2. They finally stopped trying anymore, last season I felt there was a passion that they are trying to give out a decent story and progression but now fuck writing, storyboards yeah we'll make them as the story goes on. There is nothing absolutely nothing driving this series in a focused direction. Whole lot of filler, reusing character designs, randomly creating reaccuring characters without plot foreshadowing its a mess and still is boring. Probably because the amount of still frames I have to sit through.

3. Explore the world dammit, it has a very nice setting, mars is running out resources and the civillians are dying on the planet and require it to attack earth even though it is such a superior existance. Ok I get. Its nice on paper, but I don't see it at all, really at all, not one martian that isn't on board of the monarchy ships is shown in the entire show (maybe the first episode but they where on earth sooo..). Earth too been bombarded with high calamity attacks and you don't get to see outside of the perception of the ship. Whats this an armegedon with only 100 people what the hell.

4. I have no respect for Slaine. You can blame Inaho being the bland 2 dimensional gary stu character. However for what he is, not overly offensive. This guy on the other hand wants me to skip every part he is in. They try to paint him as a tragic character, being discriminated for being a terran, getting asaulted from various asshole higher-ups. After his character is rewritten he's just irritating, not just him everyone in the story that could believe this bullshit I mean come on. Now he has a yandere love interest oh boy
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Finally caught up to this series, now for my problems.

1. I wanted to this to become a guilty crown kind of trainwreck, sort of like you watch for the thrill and stupidity. This is just incredibly boring. Every battle is exactly the same, the same background soldiers in mechas dies to signify so how threatening the fight is. Martians basically barking the same one liners "earth scum" okay I get it. Inaho saves the day again and again. Shounen power up fight sequences. Absolutely no tactics if its not Inaho just telling his harem to do. I get it every episode.

2. They finally stopped trying anymore, last season I felt there was a passion that they are trying to give out a decent story and progression but now fuck writing, storyboards yeah we'll make them as the story goes on. There is nothing absolutely nothing driving this series in a focused direction. Whole lot of filler, reusing character designs, randomly creating reaccuring characters without plot foreshadowing its a mess and still is boring. Probably because the amount of still frames I have to sit through.

3. Explore the world dammit, it has a very nice setting, mars is running out resources and the civillians are dying on the planet and require it to attack earth even though it is such a superior existance. Ok I get. Its nice on paper, but I don't see it at all, really at all, not one martian that isn't on board of the monarchy ships is shown in the entire show (maybe the first episode but they where on earth sooo..). Earth too been bombarded with high calamity attacks and you don't get to see outside of the perception of the ship. Whats this an armegedon with only 100 people what the hell.

4. I have no respect for Slaine. You can blame Inaho being the bland 2 dimensional gary stu character. However for what he is, not overly offensive. This guy on the other hand wants me to skip every part he is in. They try to paint him as a tragic character, being discriminated for being a terran, getting asaulted from various asshole higher-ups. After his character is rewritten he's just irritating, not just him everyone in the story that could believe this bullshit I mean come on. Now he has a yandere love interest oh boy


I said it in another thread. If this season was never made and Slaine hadn't cocked things up by Saving Sazbaum, nothing would be lost.
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I said it in another thread. If this season was never made and Slaine hadn't cocked things up by Saving Sazbaum, nothing would be lost.


And what about your beloved Inaho getting the OP eye and owning another bunch of counts?
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deadoptimist said:
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I said it in another thread. If this season was never made and Slaine hadn't cocked things up by Saving Sazbaum, nothing would be lost.


And what about your beloved Inaho getting the OP eye and owning another bunch of counts?
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Darklight0303 said:
I said it in another thread. If this season was never made and Slaine hadn't cocked things up by Saving Sazbaum, nothing would be lost.


And what about your beloved Inaho getting the OP eye and owning another bunch of counts?

That's what most the otaku want, seeing as most anime nowadays has OPs with the unbeatable feature and very cool with no need of development.
Otaku = Survival for anime

So I don't really care anymore, I just hope they give Slaine a heroic death at least.
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This is my first time posting in a forum, but I had a question. Some people had shot down Kymano's idea of Mazuurek being a villain. Is it because of how he presented it or the idea as a whole?
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Was it ever explained how Inaho's eye was saved? Seems like a major asspull he wasn't dead.
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That's what most the otaku want, seeing as most anime nowadays has OPs with the unbeatable feature and very cool with no need of development.
Otaku = Survival for anime

So I don't really care anymore, I just hope they give Slaine a heroic death at least.


Yeah, it seems so. Judging from the sucess of Mahouka. The MC from Grisaia also was a bit like that. The pair pf MCs from NGNL was OP. And I remmber seeing a number of other genius MCs in descriptions of the upcoming anime.

I can't understand this. As far as wishfullfillment goes isn't it a bit too in your face?.. But, well, what can we do?
Yep, I hope that they'll let Slaine die decently. But I don't hold my breath. It's more likely that they'll milk his last moments for max suffering and, most likely, fujoshi baits (as they do in the OP).
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Not really. Look at how much she's done for him so far this series, I'd say he's gotten exactly what he wanted out of her.


Except now she knows the truth so things are going to take a turn for the worse for him.


Right, and that was an inevitability from a story telling perspective. That doesn't negate the fact that he's made huge progress in achieving his goals through how he's manipulated her, which was my point in response to Hikari_Saisei saying he's oblivious. I know you like to dump on the character any chance you get and that's fine if you're so inclined, but he's hardly done a 'shitty job'. Lemrina's become so emotionally unstable that I don't blame him for this one oversight, especially given the impact Asseylum's waking would've had on him and his thought process.

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This is my first time posting in a forum, but I had a question. Some people had shot down Kymano's idea of Mazuurek being a villain. Is it because of how he presented it or the idea as a whole?


Disagree is a fairly absolute term, but I would say that I don't think its likely. Given what we're seen so far throughout both cours, the writing has been fairly transparent for the most part. Based on how he's been characterised thus far, it would appear that his intentions are fairly one dimensional (save the princess). But equally, it should be noted that we really don't know much about this character, so there is lots of room there if the writers wanted to try and go for something similar to what Kymano has said.

But again, the transparency of the writing thus far leads me to believe that his character likely is exactly who he appears to be, and at this stage I think his role in the story is simply to be a spanner in the works so to speak.
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That's what most the otaku want, seeing as most anime nowadays has OPs with the unbeatable feature and very cool with no need of development.
Otaku = Survival for anime

So I don't really care anymore, I just hope they give Slaine a heroic death at least.


Yeah, it seems so. Judging from the sucess of Mahouka. The MC from Grisaia also was a bit like that. The pair pf MCs from NGNL was OP. And I remmber seeing a number of other genius MCs in descriptions of the upcoming anime.

I can't understand this. As far as wishfullfillment goes isn't it a bit too in your face?.. But, well, what can we do?
Yep, I hope that they'll let Slaine die decently. But I don't hold my breath. It's more likely that they'll milk his last moments for max suffering and, most likely, fujoshi baits (as they do in the OP).


Mahouka was a success?

Lol the anime community is even worse than I thought.
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