| You guys should really see Aleczandxr, he's definitely the best Anime Reviewer on yt. |
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| Watched a few videos, pretty fun the first time around but got unfunny pretty fast. Wrong Opinions, from what ive seen. His reviews bring 99% of time nothing new to the table and dont go in depth on anything, just reciting a popular opinion in a funny way. But compared to many other Anime YouTubers he seems very above average. |
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| Like basically all anitubers besides like red bard and kenny Lauderdale hes got very generic taste |
Soerix said: You guys should really see Aleczandxr, he's definitely the best Anime Reviewer on yt. Pretty much this.I´ve been watching his hunter x hunter videos and they´re really good ,though he does videos on other anime too. |
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CSKaori said: What the actual fuck.What the fuck.AbrahamOmosun said: Seriously? I haven't heard anything like this from the 2/3 videos I've watched. Can you tell me any particular video in particular https://twitter.com/ColdCriti/status/1194137989728940033?s=09 Btw, you can literally find examples like this in any of his videos |
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| Meh, just not a very interesting critic. Hes not as bad as some tho. |
| Imagine ordering food without pictures on the menu and be surprised when you first see. That's the feeling I want to have than having to watch someone review on a series before picking it up. |
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| Garbage. Boring content creator, and a disgusting human being. I've only watched one video of his, but it was a very sterile appeal to subjectivity that I feel like I've read a thousand times on this board, just drawn out into longer than 10 minutes so he could fit two ad spaces in there or something. The point of the entire video was something like "It's okay to shit on bad anime harshly because it's all just an opinion." It boiled down to the type of appeal to subjectivity that devalues the entire idea of forming an opinion or trying to discuss anything with "everyone gets so offended!!!" window dressing. That's just boring. Inoffensive, but a poor and reductive stance to take that I hold no respect for. Very surface level, you could've gotten the same quality of point from an average poster on AD. Hot take, but judging by what others are saying in this thread mixed with that (admittedly little) exposure to his content, it sounds like he attracts a very casual audience that doesn't like thinking about things but does like hearing a guy that can pass himself off as normal talking about anime in ways that are normie. Dudebro bullshit. In the same video, though, the guy actively called for harassing and mocking people who didn't fit into his mold of how people should behave (Do you do things like write long posts on forums or comments sections? Well, we need to bully you out of the fandom entirely because you're why people hate anime fans! It shouldn't be taken so seriously!) so he can outright go fuck himself for being a disgusting person. No interest in watching anymore. That one video is all I need to know his worth. Only the pettiest of fuckheads try to use their platform/audience to encourage harassment over meaningless, easy to ignore shit like that. It's the same type of stereotypical shit that lolcows do when their fame goes to their head, but hey, he has a cool voice instead of being a screeching guy with acne. |
ManabanApr 7, 2020 6:15 PM
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| Personally, he's alright. Gigguk is superior, however. Also thread gunna be locked soon, so be sure to get in any replies as quickly as you can. |
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| Trash like all the others. Critics and 'reviewers', which are basically critics too, are a cancer in any medium they emerge... They ruined art, they ruined cinematography, they would ruin video games if the current generation of gaming journalism wasn't such a joke, and they ruined the anime community too. But looking at the comments here, most don't seem impressed by the level of work he puts, so I guess he is less toxic. |
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| I think he is good. He makes some quality videos. |
| When the first praise for a youtuber is 'he made me laugh' I just assume I would hate that youtuber. They're just never, ever funny and always trying so goddamn hard that they forget to say anything interesting in the process. |
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Pullman said: When the first praise for a youtuber is 'he made me laugh' I just assume I would hate that youtuber. They're just never, ever funny and always trying so goddamn hard that they forget to say anything interesting in the process. I mean, in one video he openly called for trying to mock people who write textwalls out of the fandom, so I'm sure the two of you would get along great Think people who like him tend to be people who are very concerned about appearing "normal" and like having a dudebro guy who talks about things in a way that can appeal to/reaffirm that aspect of themselves. The reason they try to make an appeal to "He's funny" is less because he's a dedicated comedy YTer and more because he has nothing else going for him aside from that sort of appeal. Because really, what else is there? You can get the same quality of arguments on this very board, and he brings nothing new or interesting to the table with as much, unless people are just that fascinated with ideas like "We all have an opinion and everything is subjective so why do people care so much to actually try to discuss these opinions" in that very get-out-of-jail card way. He's not particularly a comedy anituber, either, from what I've seen. He just loads his serious videos with one liners that are sparsed here or there that try to defuse any tension of the subject he's otherwise talking seriously about. Likewise, his comments section tends to be very anti-people who take things somewhat seriously and speak derisively of people who do, which is fitting since his whole shtick is being that type of casual. But hey, he rips on the "weird anime fans" and doesn't sound like a nerd. His appeal lives and dies by validating his audience's desire to appear/feel normal. It preys on that type of insecurity some anime fans have about liking anime. Because a critic and as a comedian, he has nothing going for him and it's not even really his focus. |
ManabanMay 5, 2020 10:12 AM
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| No shame or judging to anyone who does this but how do y'all watch people talking about anime. Like you can probably knock off a couple of episodes instead of watching someone review an anime and letting that influence your opinion on the show. It's kinda like watching someone play a video game. Why watch when you can play yourself. But I watch people play so I cant say anything |
| What's this scamboli? Sounds tasty. |
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| Almost everyone in this thread is talking about how Scamboli does awful reviews and is cringy, but in my perspective, I consider him to be a guy who talks about shows based on enjoyment, not complexity. Sure, you may find them bad because he usually just says "art good, story interesting, nice music" and doesn't do a super in-depth reviews. But that's just how he reviews, he's trying to make the whole process less intense, that's why he uses a soft voice and lo-fi music. He does nothing over the top and loud like the others with their dumb clickbait-y titles do(even though I do like a lot of their videos). I feel like a lot of people here expect Scamboli to be some top tier elitist judging each show to every minute detail as if passing judgment like a god. He's not, he's just a guy spouting random shit, being cringy but himself, talking about anime that he enjoys. Also if you watch his videos he also talks about how his main audience are casual watchers and weeblets so you shouldn't expect something super "intellectual." So yeah, I personally like him even if his reviews are super chill |
KalvusMay 5, 2020 11:58 AM
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Kalvus said: Almost everyone in this thread is talking about how Scamboli does awful reviews and is cringy, but in my perspective, I consider him to be a guy who talks about shows based on enjoyment, not complexity. Sure, you may find them bad because he usually just says "art good, story interesting, nice music" and doesn't do a super in-depth reviews. But that's just how he reviews, he's trying to make the whole process less intense, that's why he uses a soft voice and lo-fi music. He does nothing over the top and loud like the others with their dumb clickbait-y titles do(even though I do like a lot of their videos). I feel like a lot of people here expect Scamboli to be some top tier elitist judging each show to every minute detail as if passing judgment like a god. He's not, he's just a guy spouting random shit, being cringy but himself, talking about anime that he enjoys. Also if you watch his videos he also talks about how his main audience are casual watchers and weeblets so you shouldn't expect something super "intellectual" Nobody expects an anituber to be a high-end critic or anything. But if you're going to have a platform of hundreds of thousands, it's not unreasonable for people to hold you to a higher standard than a mediocre forum poster. If your best argument was an appeal to subjectivity in a way that strongly discouraged any discussion, you are not only below average at making an argument, but it's antithetical to your entire fucking career. The fact that he's also a complete asswipe doesn't help this any, of course¯_(ツ)_/¯ Which is where the cringe comes in. average_scamboli_fan said: OMG he's so #relatable to normal anime fans. Just like me hahahahaha. We're totally not like those weird anime fans. We're #hip. Please validate my hobby so I can be less insecure about it. He ropes people in through presentation. He is a normal, chill guy, appealing to his fellow normal, chill dudes. #radical. His presentation makes people feel validated in the way I just mocked. He has nothing of value besides making people who are desperate to appeal normal not feel alone in doing so. It's cheap bullshit. Can't hold it against his content whenever the problem is at the foundation of the whole persona. |
ManabanMay 5, 2020 12:12 PM
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Manaban said: Kalvus said: Almost everyone in this thread is talking about how Scamboli does awful reviews and is cringy, but in my perspective, I consider him to be a guy who talks about shows based on enjoyment, not complexity. Sure, you may find them bad because he usually just says "art good, story interesting, nice music" and doesn't do a super in-depth reviews. But that's just how he reviews, he's trying to make the whole process less intense, that's why he uses a soft voice and lo-fi music. He does nothing over the top and loud like the others with their dumb clickbait-y titles do(even though I do like a lot of their videos). I feel like a lot of people here expect Scamboli to be some top tier elitist judging each show to every minute detail as if passing judgment like a god. He's not, he's just a guy spouting random shit, being cringy but himself, talking about anime that he enjoys. Also if you watch his videos he also talks about how his main audience are casual watchers and weeblets so you shouldn't expect something super "intellectual" Nobody expects an anituber to be a high-end critic or anything. But if you're going to have a platform of hundreds of thousands, it's not unreasonable for people to hold you to a higher standard than a mediocre forum poster. The fact that he's also a complete asswipe doesn't help this any, of course¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Which is where the cringe comes in. average_scamboli_fan said: OMG he's so #relatable to normal anime fans. Just like me hahahahaha. We're totally not like those weird anime fans. We're #hip. Please validate my hobby so I can be less insecure about it. Holding him at a higher standard shouldn't affect the type of review he is doing, the way he is doing it now is just his type of content. People like him and subscribed for what he was making right? So why should he change it to be more in-depth if his style right now works and is more enjoyable for a casual watcher? |
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Kalvus said: Manaban said: Nobody expects an anituber to be a high-end critic or anything. But if you're going to have a platform of hundreds of thousands, it's not unreasonable for people to hold you to a higher standard than a mediocre forum poster. The fact that he's also a complete asswipe doesn't help this any, of course¯_(ツ)_/¯ Which is where the cringe comes in. Holding him at a higher standard shouldn't affect the type of review he is doing, the way he is doing it now is just his type of content. People like him and subscribed for what he was making right? So why should he change it to be more in-depth if his style right now works and is more enjoyable for a casual watcher? Who said I'm demanding him to change? I'm just saying his content is cheap, exploitative bullshit because it is. If you people want to fill his pockets because he bandages your insecurities about your hobby then that's none of my business. He called for people like me to be harassed but that didn't create more of an uptick than what was already normal, so my issue on that is just principle rather than thinking he's actually effective at mobilizing his audience. I guess trying to silence thinking about things or discussing them is a stated part of Scamboli's M.O., though, so I'm not surprised he has a fanbase that's adverse to criticism like this. But hey, you can probably randomly select any post on this board and get the same level of insight you would from his channel. I like that this isn't even being refuted and that you're implicitly agreeing that it's entirely about the persona he portrays in his videos. I bet it's cause you're a #chill and #normal anime fan just like him. |
ManabanMay 5, 2020 12:24 PM
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Manaban said: Kalvus said: Holding him at a higher standard shouldn't affect the type of review he is doing, the way he is doing it now is just his type of content. People like him and subscribed for what he was making right? So why should he change it to be more in-depth if his style right now works and is more enjoyable for a casual watcher? Who said I'm demanding him to change? I'm just saying his content is cheap, exploitative bullshit because it is. If you people want to fill his pockets because he bandages your insecurities about your hobby then that's none of my business. He called for people like me to be harassed but that didn't create more of an uptick than what was already normal, so my issue on that is just principle rather than thinking he's actually effective at mobilizing his audience. I guess trying to silence thinking about things or discussing them is a stated part of Scamboli's M.O., though, so I'm not surprised he has a fanbase that's adverse to criticism like this. But hey, you can probably randomly select any post on this board and get the same level of insight you would from his channel. I like that this isn't even being refuted and that you're implicitly agreeing that it's entirely about the persona he portrays in his videos. You are heavily implying that his content is wrong and should be changed. You say that his videos are exploitive bullshit and cheap. But it's not, what is exploitive about a guy who talks about the reasons why HE thinks a show is good. Furthermore, what makes you say that he is silencing the community and brainwashing us to neglect criticism, please understand that I'm not completely against you, I agree, the criticism is valid. Scamboli can be extremely cringy sometimes and doesn't do in-depth reviews. That's exactly why I don't watch him for in-depth and longwinded reviews. I watch to see a quick 6-minute video about why he thinks a show is good and why we should give it a try. I watch for the chill vibes, I would watch something else if I wanted a serious review. Also, don't make this personal and start making jabs at me, I don't want to get into an insult war. I don't want to have to put up against the "notorious" Manaban that likes to start wars in forum threads |
KalvusMay 5, 2020 12:34 PM
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Kalvus said: Manaban said: Who said I'm demanding him to change? I'm just saying his content is cheap, exploitative bullshit because it is. If you people want to fill his pockets because he bandages your insecurities about your hobby then that's none of my business. He called for people like me to be harassed but that didn't create more of an uptick than what was already normal, so my issue on that is just principle rather than thinking he's actually effective at mobilizing his audience. I guess trying to silence thinking about things or discussing them is a stated part of Scamboli's M.O., though, so I'm not surprised he has a fanbase that's adverse to criticism like this. But hey, you can probably randomly select any post on this board and get the same level of insight you would from his channel. I like that this isn't even being refuted and that you're implicitly agreeing that it's entirely about the persona he portrays in his videos. You are heavily implying that his content is wrong and should be changed. You say that his videos are exploitive bullshit and cheap. But it's not, what is exploitive about a guy who talks about the reasons why HE thinks a show is good. Also, what makes you say that he is silencing the community and brainwashing us to neglect criticism, I'm with you, the criticism is valid. Scamboli can be extremely cringy sometimes and doesn't do in-depth reviews. That's exactly why I don't watch him for in-depth and longwinded reviews. I watch to see a quick 6-minute video about why he thinks a show is good and why we should give it a try. I watch for the chill vibes, I would watch something else if I wanted a serious review. Also, don't make this personal and start making jabs at me, I don't want to get into an insult war. I'm directly stating that what his content communicates disgusts me. Not heavily implying that it should be changed. Preferably, he just wouldn't be watched at all, but that's not a big enough issue for me to make a big deal out of. I am 100% going to shit on him in threads talking about him, though, both as a content creator and as a person. The guy literally said people who don't discuss anime in the way he approves of, at some points just focusing on things like the length of what they write, should be mocked out of the anime fandom, by the way, in the Bad Anime video. Maybe it's not literally silencing all discussion, but it's 100% trying to control people and encourage his audience into harassing them for not conforming to his view of how they should talk about things and respond to them. In fairly specific detail at that. That is silencing. It's calling for hammering down nails. It's not only silencing, it's being an extremely sensitive and pathetic person that's letting the fact that they have an audience get to their head to try to control how other people act to fit into his vision of what they should be. If you actually listened to what he said in that video instead of being so wrapped up in his fucking background music and what a chill, casual guy he is, you could probably have an easier time understanding why I'm objecting so strongly here. |
ManabanMay 5, 2020 12:44 PM
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| Scamboli, no idea who he is, but he sounds like an italian puppeteer or something |
Kalvus said: Also, don't make this personal and start making jabs at me, I don't want to get into an insult war. I don't want to have to put up against the "notorious" Manaban that likes to start wars in forum threads Also, stop, you're making me blush. |
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| I tried watching his videos once and also tried giving it a try just now, both times I dropped them all midway through, they were all boring as fuck imo. |
Manaban said: Kalvus said: You are heavily implying that his content is wrong and should be changed. You say that his videos are exploitive bullshit and cheap. But it's not, what is exploitive about a guy who talks about the reasons why HE thinks a show is good. Also, what makes you say that he is silencing the community and brainwashing us to neglect criticism, I'm with you, the criticism is valid. Scamboli can be extremely cringy sometimes and doesn't do in-depth reviews. That's exactly why I don't watch him for in-depth and longwinded reviews. I watch to see a quick 6-minute video about why he thinks a show is good and why we should give it a try. I watch for the chill vibes, I would watch something else if I wanted a serious review. Also, don't make this personal and start making jabs at me, I don't want to get into an insult war. I'm directly stating that what his content communicates disgusts me. Not heavily implying that it should be changed. Preferably, he just wouldn't be watched at all, but that's not a big enough issue for me to make a big deal out of. I am 100% going to shit on him in threads talking about him, though, both as a content creator and as a person. The guy literally said people who don't discuss anime in the way he approves of, at some points just focusing on things like the length of what they write, should be mocked out of the anime fandom, by the way, in the Bad Anime video. Maybe it's not literally silencing all discussion, but it's 100% trying to control people and encourage his audience into harassing them for not conforming to his view of how they should talk about things and respond to them. In fairly specific detail at that. That is silencing. It's calling for hammering down nails. It's not only silencing, it's being an extremely sensitive and pathetic person that's letting the fact that they have an audience get to their head to try to control how other people act to fit into his vision of what they should be. If you actually listened to what he said in that video instead of being so wrapped up in his fucking background music and what a chill, casual guy he is, you could probably have an easier time understanding why I'm objecting so strongly here. Do you seriously think that I wouldn't watch the video before I responded? Everything you just said was taken out of context and used just to make him look bad. He says NOTHING about wanting to control how people think. All he talks about is anime tropes that are usually found in shitty anime while also saying its ok to like shows with these tropes. He understands that people have their own tastes even if he doesn't like it. Additionally, when it comes to the long paragraphs people write about anime, he's talking about the snobs, the elitists, the ones that shit talk every show they deem awful, and put down anyone that doesn't agree with them. He once again, just like when you said that he's controlling what people think part, didn't say anything to affect how people should enjoy anime. All he talks about is the bad tropes and how people can like shows even if they're bad, the immaturity of people in forums and comment sections that say, "fuk u dum baby u uwndurstawnd gud animes kys," and elitists that put down others for not liking the shows they like. Nothing said here has anything to do with "encouraging his audience into harassing them for not conforming to his view" and that he is silencing others and pathetic. Also it's not about the fact that he's "chill", its the fact that he's the only anituber that does anything like this, so whats wrong about that? Its a nice change of pace that should be appreciated. I think you should maybe pay attention to his videos more next time since every point you just made about his Bad Anime video was wrong. Next time you should maybe try to be less of an ass wipe while you're at it. Remember: Writing long paragraphs and talking passionately doesn't mean your right. also i just want to state that I'm not like an ultimate fan of Scamboli, I just enjoy his content and think that we should have a debate about this |
KalvusMay 5, 2020 1:12 PM
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Manaban said: Kalvus said: Also, don't make this personal and start making jabs at me, I don't want to get into an insult war. I don't want to have to put up against the "notorious" Manaban that likes to start wars in forum threads Also, stop, you're making me blush. heheheh your so famous, I see you in threads quite often |
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Really entairtaining guy he has the same comedy style as me so i tend to laugh alot with his videos although they are reviews...He's tends to be kinda childish not wanting to watch an anime because his viewers spam him to watch it...nevertheless i like the dude and i enjoy his videos :) |
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Kalvus said: Manaban said: I'm directly stating that what his content communicates disgusts me. Not heavily implying that it should be changed. Preferably, he just wouldn't be watched at all, but that's not a big enough issue for me to make a big deal out of. I am 100% going to shit on him in threads talking about him, though, both as a content creator and as a person. The guy literally said people who don't discuss anime in the way he approves of, at some points just focusing on things like the length of what they write, should be mocked out of the anime fandom, by the way, in the Bad Anime video. Maybe it's not literally silencing all discussion, but it's 100% trying to control people and encourage his audience into harassing them for not conforming to his view of how they should talk about things and respond to them. In fairly specific detail at that. That is silencing. It's calling for hammering down nails. It's not only silencing, it's being an extremely sensitive and pathetic person that's letting the fact that they have an audience get to their head to try to control how other people act to fit into his vision of what they should be. If you actually listened to what he said in that video instead of being so wrapped up in his fucking background music and what a chill, casual guy he is, you could probably have an easier time understanding why I'm objecting so strongly here. Do you seriously think that I wouldn't watch the video before I responded? Everything you just said was taken out of context and used just to make him look bad. He says NOTHING about wanting to control how people think. All he talks about is anime tropes that are usually found in shitty anime while also saying its ok to like shows with these tropes. He understands that people have their own tastes even if he doesn't like it. Additionally, when it comes to the long paragraphs people write about anime, he's talking about the snobs, the elitists, the ones that shit talk every show they deem awful, and put down anyone that doesn't agree with them. He once again, just like when you said that he's controlling what people think part, didn't say anything to affect how people should enjoy anime. All he talks about is the bad tropes and how people can like shows even if they're bad, the immaturity of people in forums and comment sections that say, "fuk u dum baby u uwndurstawnd gud animes kys," and elitists that put down others for not liking the shows they like. Nothing said here has anything to do with "encouraging his audience into harassing them for not conforming to his view" and that he is silencing others and pathetic. Also it's not about the fact that he's "chill", its the fact that he's the only anituber that does anything like this, so whats wrong about that? Its a nice change of pace that should be appreciated. I think you should maybe pay attention to his videos more next time since every point you just made about his Bad Anime video was wrong. Next time you should maybe try to be less of an ass wipe while you're at it. Remember: Writing long paragraphs and talking passionately doesn't mean your right. also i just want to state that I'm not like an ultimate fan of Scamboli, I just enjoy his content and think that we should have a debate about this His parameters for defining people as elitist was literally "They write long posts." He was even more shitty than people who associate that label with a taste, it was literally just shit like if you write long posts. You can eat up the "NO HE'S GOING AGAINST THE ELITISTS" bullshit all you want, but his parameters were so fucking loose that it didn't matter. He can label something whatever he wants, but whenever the type of behavior that he's labeling people as such for is so loose, the term lacks meaning and it paints the image of a petty man that's trying to attack people for not discussing shit in the format he wants. It certainly wasn't about people who want to look down on others for their taste, it was about talking about things at length, it was about trying to discuss things in a way that "takes it too seriously" and he started pulling rhetoric out of his ass to dehumanize people who do that by trying to associate them with that negative physical image of an anime fan to strengthen his HOW DARE YOU NOT BE AS CASUAL AS ME implication. But hey, I guess that doesn't matter. He's a very #chill person with good background music in his videos, amirite? The funny part is, even if it was just about being a dick to people who look down on others for what they like , what comes next would make that totally fucking hypocritical anyway. All he talks about is anime tropes that are usually found in shitty anime while also saying its ok to like shows with these tropes. He understands that people have their own tastes even if he doesn't like it. If I recall correctly, in the same part of the video, he literally said something like "If people don't think this makes them bad and defend (these types of shows), then we need to mock them into oblivion for it." The part where he tries to villainize people for not kowtowing and saying these things are bad when they don't actually think that and encourages mocking them is being conveniently left out, and it certainly wasn't as cordial as "WELL I UNDERSTAND I JUST DON'T LIKE THEM MYSELF" which wouldn't have any place in a video that's being fucking hostile to fans of that type of content in the first place. Just like how you conveniently left out the part of the elitist shit with how loosely defined his parameters were in the video, you're kind of leaving out a bit of key context in trying to defend him on that front. God, save me from Scamboli's wrath, as an ecchi fan who likes talking about things at length. /s But yeah, no, he's a piece of shit for saying shit like that. Full stop. The way you're trying to defend him is leaving out so much context that he himself put in that I'm borderline convinced it's just a bad faith argument on your part. |
ManabanMay 5, 2020 1:53 PM
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Manaban said: Kalvus said: Do you seriously think that I wouldn't watch the video before I responded? Everything you just said was taken out of context and used just to make him look bad. He says NOTHING about wanting to control how people think. All he talks about is anime tropes that are usually found in shitty anime while also saying its ok to like shows with these tropes. He understands that people have their own tastes even if he doesn't like it. Additionally, when it comes to the long paragraphs people write about anime, he's talking about the snobs, the elitists, the ones that shit talk every show they deem awful, and put down anyone that doesn't agree with them. He once again, just like when you said that he's controlling what people think part, didn't say anything to affect how people should enjoy anime. All he talks about is the bad tropes and how people can like shows even if they're bad, the immaturity of people in forums and comment sections that say, "fuk u dum baby u uwndurstawnd gud animes kys," and elitists that put down others for not liking the shows they like. Nothing said here has anything to do with "encouraging his audience into harassing them for not conforming to his view" and that he is silencing others and pathetic. Also it's not about the fact that he's "chill", its the fact that he's the only anituber that does anything like this, so whats wrong about that? Its a nice change of pace that should be appreciated. I think you should maybe pay attention to his videos more next time since every point you just made about his Bad Anime video was wrong. Next time you should maybe try to be less of an ass wipe while you're at it. Remember: Writing long paragraphs and talking passionately doesn't mean your right. also i just want to state that I'm not like an ultimate fan of Scamboli, I just enjoy his content and think that we should have a debate about this His parameters for defining people as elitist was literally "They write long posts." It wasn't even associated with a taste, just if you write long posts. You can eat up the "NO HE'S GOING AGAINST THE ELITISTS" bullshit all you want, but his parameters were so fucking loose that it didn't matter. Just like the other side of the coin - All he talks about is anime tropes that are usually found in shitty anime while also saying its ok to like shows with these tropes. He understands that people have their own tastes even if he doesn't like it. If I recall correctly, his words were literally something like "If people don't think this makes them bad and defend (these types of shows), then we need to mock them into oblivion for it." The part where he tries to villainize people for not kowtowing and saying these things are bad when they don't actually think that and encourages mocking them is being conveniently left out. Just like how you conveniently left out the part of the elitist shit with how loosely defined his parameters were in the video. "I remember I had the Ichigo vs. Grimmjow fight saved on my PSP that Id watch every once in a while and I can still check it out and be just as entertained because it's alright to like bad anime... you can like something and acknowledge that it has insurmountable flaws. That's called "Grown man shit"... because we are human, we don't always have to have a good reason to like something." This is a quote straight from the video, and you think that in this very same video Scamboli would say "if people don't think this makes them bad and defend then we need to mock them into oblivion for it"? Well yes, he did say this, but it has nothing to do with people who like bad anime. He says something roughly along the lines of what you said(but less harsh) about the awful stereotypically anime fan that acts like children that in turn make us regular people look bad. For example, the people who say, "fuk u dum baby u uwndurstawnd gud animes kys" "There are two main types. Those who insult and berate you for enjoying an anime they deem is bad, and ones that insult and berate you for not liking their boring, convoluted mess of an anime." That is a very straight forward and strict guideline for what you would call an anime elitist. It's very clear and straight to the point so I don't see what you are talking about. Yes, I do have to admit that he does mock the "elitists" and "babies" of the anime community. To some, he may have gone too far and butthurt a couple of people. But, I don't think he is entirely wrong. These people are the ones that make everyone in the anime community look awful, they are the reason why I sometimes can't openly talk about my anime hobbies. Plus, what's wrong with a little teasing? It's not like we are telling them to die or anything. So once again, I think you should construct your next argument a little better instead of just spouting words to prove your point because we all know that you're the type of person to always reply |
KalvusMay 5, 2020 1:57 PM
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Kalvus said: Yes, I do have to admit that he does mock the "elitists" and "babies" of the anime community. To some, he may have gone too far and butthurt a couple of people(like you). But, I don't think he is entirely wrong. These people are the ones that make everyone in the anime community look awful, they are the reason why I sometimes can't openly talk about my anime hobbies. Plus, what's wrong with a little teasing? It's not like we are telling them to die or anything. So once again, I think you should construct your next argument a little better because we all know that you're the type of person to always reply Great. Earlier you tried to flatly deny that he tried to call for targeted harassment in that video, and now you're kind of having to fucking acknowledge that he did on a rewatch. Next, you might see my point about why trying to use your platform/audience to mobilize for harassment is such a fucking horrible thing to do. By the way, he's using this rhetoric in a way that's trying to force an association of behaviors like writing long posts and liking ecchi with being the reason "Normal people like you and him" can't be open about liking anime. He's preying on your fucking insecurity to try to get you to mentally associate shit like writing long posts and liking ecchi with the reason you feel ostracized for liking anime. It's trying to breed hostility just through association. And he can go fuck himself for that. Plus, what's wrong with a little teasing? It's not like we are telling them to die or anything. "What's wrong with trying to encourage people to harass people and drive them out of the fandom? Not like we're telling them to go die or anything." What an incredible moral compass you got there, chief. ---- "I remember I had the Ichigo vs. Grimmjow fight saved on my PSP that Id watch every once in a while and I can still check it out and be just as entertained because it's alright to like bad anime... you can like something and acknowledge that it has insurmountable flaws. That's called "Grown man shit"... because we are human, we don't always have to have a good reason to like something." I think it's rather weak to call something that I don't think is shit, well, shit, because some YTer is trying to tell people they have to say something is shit and if not then other people should harass them for it. Unfortunately, being a grown man who does grown man shit, grown man shit to me includes not lying about my opinion on something to appease a fucking online presence. So, since I'm not a pussy, I'm not going to do that. Sorry Scamboli, and sorry Scamboli fans. Harass me for it as much as you want, but if I don't think something is shit I'm not going to call it shit to fucking appease you. his is a quote straight from the video, and you think that in this very same video Scamboli would say "if people don't think this makes them bad and defend then we need to mock them into oblivion for it"? Well yes, he did say this lmao and you think that in this very same video Scamboli would say "if people don't think this makes them bad and defend then we need to mock them into oblivion for it"? Well yes, he did say this just let this sink in for a moment, please but it has nothing to do with people who like bad anime. He says something roughly along the lines of what you said(but less harsh) about the awful stereotypically anime fan that acts like children that in turn make us regular people look bad. For example, the people who say, "fuk u dum baby u uwndurstawnd gud animes keys" And, tell me, who does he try to hardest to force that connotation with and to encourage people to harass for it? Also, even if he's trying to prop it up as people not being able to handle criticism, it doesn't change that his definition of "not being able to handle criticism" is "not saying this thing I think they should call shit is shit." Because that's still a massive fucking problem in its own right. Yes. That is using his platform to threaten people with harassment if they don't kowtow and to agree with him and say what he wants them to say. Yes, that is absolutely pathetic for an anituber to do. Yes, calling his character as a *person* into question is absolutely fair game after he says shit like that. "Call these shows shit. Or else you're a manchild who can't handle criticism and we should all gather up to harass and mock you for not falling in line." Goddamn, you're actually trying to defend this. Are you actually thinking about what he's saying here, or are you just defending him still because I was a dick to you and that put you on the defensive here? Because for the first time in a while, I feel like I actually have the moral highground. Swear, if I had Glenn's power of likability then you would've completely collapsed and acknowledged that it was a fucked up thing to do because of how genuinely, universally contempt worthy it is. Or at least I imagine so, since you've gone back and looked at the video again, and after doing that you stopped trying to flatly deny what he did and said because that was no longer an option with the evidence that was now directly before you. But because I'm a hostile asswipe, you're actually sitting here trying to hold your ground in defending somebody who is literally encouraging his audience to harass people for not doing things like he wants them to do. --- One last thing: Kalvus said: He says something roughly along the lines of what you said(but less harsh) about the awful stereotypically anime fan that acts like children that in turn make us regular people look bad. Kalvus said: These people are the ones that make everyone in the anime community look awful, they are the reason why I sometimes can't openly talk about my anime hobbies. lmao, what did i say about him trying to be inciteful towards people and preying on/exploiting this aspect of your fandom? Manaban said: I'm just saying his content is cheap, exploitative bullshit because it is. If you people want to fill his pockets because he bandages your insecurities about your hobby then that's none of my business. I like that this isn't even being refuted and that you're implicitly agreeing that it's entirely about the persona he portrays in his videos. I bet it's cause you're a #chill and #normal anime fan just like him. |
ManabanMay 5, 2020 2:33 PM
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Manaban said: Kalvus said: Yes, I do have to admit that he does mock the "elitists" and "babies" of the anime community. To some, he may have gone too far and butthurt a couple of people(like you). But, I don't think he is entirely wrong. These people are the ones that make everyone in the anime community look awful, they are the reason why I sometimes can't openly talk about my anime hobbies. Plus, what's wrong with a little teasing? It's not like we are telling them to die or anything. So once again, I think you should construct your next argument a little better because we all know that you're the type of person to always reply Great. Now do you see my point about what makes this disgusting? He's using this rhetoric in a way that's trying to force an association of behaviors like writing long posts and liking ecchi with being the reason "Normal people like you and him" can't be open about liking anime. He's preying on your fucking insecurity to try to get you to mentally associate shit like writing long posts and liking ecchi with the reason you feel ostracized for liking anime. It's trying to breed hostility. And he can go fuck himself for that. Plus, what's wrong with a little teasing? It's not like we are telling them to die or anything. "What's wrong with trying to encourage people to harass people and drive them out of the fandom? Not like we're telling them to go die or anything." What an incredible moral compass you got there, chief. ---- "I remember I had the Ichigo vs. Grimmjow fight saved on my PSP that Id watch every once in a while and I can still check it out and be just as entertained because it's alright to like bad anime... you can like something and acknowledge that it has insurmountable flaws. That's called "Grown man shit"... because we are human, we don't always have to have a good reason to like something." I think it's rather weak to call something that I don't think is shit, well, shit, because some YTer is trying to tell people they have to say something is shit and if not then other people should harass them for it. But, y'know, since I'm not a pussy, I'm not going to do that. his is a quote straight from the video, and you think that in this very same video Scamboli would say "if people don't think this makes them bad and defend then we need to mock them into oblivion for it"? Well yes, he did say this lmao and you think that in this very same video Scamboli would say "if people don't think this makes them bad and defend then we need to mock them into oblivion for it"? Well yes, he did say this just let this sink in for a moment, please but it has nothing to do with people who like bad anime. He says something roughly along the lines of what you said(but less harsh) about the awful stereotypically anime fan that acts like children that in turn make us regular people look bad. For example, the people who say, "fuk u dum baby u uwndurstawnd gud animes keys" And, tell me, who does he try to hardest to force that connotation with and to encourage people to harass for it? Also, even if he's trying to prop it up as people not being able to handle criticism, it doesn't change that his definition of "not being able to handle criticism" is "not saying this thing I think they should call shit is shit." Because that's still a massive fucking problem in its own right. Yes. That is using his platform to threaten people with harassment if they don't kowtow and to agree with him and say what he wants them to say. Yes, that is absolutely pathetic for an anituber to do. "Call these shows shit. Or else you're a manchild who can't handle criticism and we should all gather up to harass and mock you for not falling in line." Goddamn, you're actually trying to defend this. Are you actually thinking about what he's saying here, or are you just defending him still because I was a dick to you and that put you on the defensive here? Because for the first time in a while, I feel like I actually have the moral highground. lol what the fuck are you saying. Dont take my words out of context. Now let us start at the beginning. 1. I don't feel ostracised for liking anime and I'm usually very open about it. I like ecchi, and as you can see, we've both been going back and forth with big paragraphs. We are examples of exactly what Scamboli was saying. But that doesn't make us "Elitists" of "Babies." The real problem are these people who go out of their way to be so close-minded truly are a stain in the anime community. I'm not going to be hostile to anyone like this, and I'm not going to go out of my way to make life worse for them. But am I and Scamboli at a fault for not liking people who aren't even open to change? People who insult and berate me and you for not liking the shows they like? It's annoying to have to put up with people like this. 2. I am not encouraging them to leave the fandom. I am not bullying these people. I have never gone up to these people and said "hey yo you a Lil baby leave my fandom." But, between you and me, I think it's OK to call people like these babies because that's what they are acting like! I don't like them, am I wrong for saying that I don't like someone? Its not like I am going to bully these people, I just don't like them. It's not like i am telling them to actually do harm to themselves. Don't take my words out of context 3. Your next point makes no sense and I've already gone over the fake harassment you're talking about 4. Yes. I'm not going to lie but your final claim is true. It's awful to force someone to think their favorite anime is shit(but don't say the harass and mock part, that is not true). But the problem is that they aren't even willing to hear the criticism, they just blindly accept that their show is the best and get mad at anyone who thinks otherwise. Your point also works for the other side too, "call these shows shit or else you're a manchild that doesn't know a truly good show when you see it and I should mock and harass you for not agreeing with my opinion." and yes, I am going to defend this. I'm not going to let you go around telling people that I harass people, lack a moral compass, and am insecure(which ig could be seen as me being insecure but I don't really care). Also I keep on replying because i am being defensive and because I think you're wrong. You're making me and Scam look like dicks because I personally don't like the people who berate and insult people for not liking their shows but I also think that its wrong to force someone else's to think their show is bad, i just want them to listen to what we have to say and not just neglect it. Please for the love of God, stop putting words in my mouth and making it seem like I want to kill these people or something. Also its not "normal" anime fans and "chill" it's just that he has stated this himself that mostly new people watch him and I've already talked about the chill part. |
KalvusMay 5, 2020 2:42 PM
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Kalvus said: I don't feel ostracised for liking anime and I'm usually very open about it. I like ecchi, and as you can see, we've both been going back and forth with big paragraphs. We are examples of exactly what Scamboli was saying. But that doesn't make us "Elitists" of "Babies." The real problem are these people who go out of their way to be so close-minded truly are a stain in the anime community. I'm not going to be hostile to anyone like this, and I'm not going to go out of my way to make life worse for them. But am I and Scamboli at a fault for not liking people who aren't even open to change? People who insult and berate me and you for not liking the shows they like? It's annoying to have to put up with people like this. Again, he is using "babies" and "elitists" to encourage harassing people who like ecchi and write long posts. It's a forced association. If he was attacking elitism he would've attacked the behavior and not something so disconnected/specific, and the whole bringing ecchi fans into it for whatever reasons would've never came up. Why is he forcing these specific associations if his only real interest is attacking the behaviors that you're associating, and why is he tying these into the harassment brigade he's trying to get people to do? I am not encouraging them to leave the fandom. I am not bullying these people. I have never gone up to these people and said "hey yo you a Lil baby leave my fandom." But, between you and me, I think it's OK to call people like these babies because that's what they are acting like! I don't like them, am I wrong for saying that I don't like someone? Its not like I am going to bully these people, I just don't like them. It's not like i am telling them to actually do harm to themselves. Don't take my words out of context Because you're associating it with negative and toxic behaviors. This actually isn't something I take issue with. But you know who certainly didn't limit themselves to the actual connotations you're using and began citing superficial specifics that are absolutely in no way inherently linked to these things? The guy you're trying to defend. 3. Your next point makes no sense and I've already gone over the fake harassment you're talking about He said "We need to mock these people into oblivion and out of the fandom." He took labels like elitist and tried associating them with super specific behaviors that he took personal issue with as opposed to behaviors that are actually elitists. Likewise, he took the term babies and tried to make it out to be like not calling a show he wants you to call shit is enough to be considered acting as such. I don't care what you think, and honestly, I don't even think you and I disagree that much about the behaviors you're talking about being toxic. I care about what Scamboli said, though. Because he did not limit it to what you're trying to say he did, and you fucking know it at this point. Yes. I'm not going to lie but your final claim is true. It's awful to force someone to think their favorite anime is shit(but don't say the harass and mock part, that is not true) He literally said it and you have already admitted that he said it. I'm going to say he said it. Because it's a totally fucked up and out of line thing to say. Just in general, anituber or not, but the fact that he has an audience who could act on what he's encouraging makes it even worse because it's more of a threat than if somebody who nobody listened to said anything. People should be aware that Scamboli is the type of pathetic and petty person to say shit like this. Fuck his background music and fuck how casual he is. That's the absolute opposite of chill, and it's a genuinely contemptuous thing to encourage. But the problem is that they aren't even willing to hear the criticism, they just blindly accept that their show is the best and get mad at anyone who thinks otherwise. And what'd he do with that? If you answered "Try to link it as an inherent behavior to certain fandoms and use that as a basis to justify harassing them unless they prove they weren't like that by bowing down and saying these shows they don't think are shit, are well, shit" than ding ding ding! You win! It can work for the other side, sure. But we're talking about what Scamboli said, and my issue with it wasn't being critical of people who meet criticism of their favorite show with hostility, it's who he tried to link it to and encourage harassing based off of that unless they conformed to him. So, answer - who'd he specifically try to link this as an inherent behavior towards, and who'd he specifically encourage harassing if they didn't conform and say the shows they liked are shit? You're making me and Scam look like dicks Just as an aside, I don't think you're a dick. I think he is, 100%, and I hope people become more aware of that and stop caring so much about something as insignificant as the fucking background music he uses and the persona he puts on to understand that he actually encourages some really disgusting behaviors and makes exploitative content that feeds on his audience's insecurities. I *do* think you're just taking the labels he used and acknowledging that the behaviors typically associated with them are fucked up, and then not really realizing how he was using and applying these labels is what sets you two apart on the topic. He certainly, 100% did not stop at the behaviors you're citing and associating as being things we should harass people for. If it was, why the fuck would I be offended? Being inattentive doesn't make you a bad person. And I do think you're being inattentive to what he said in that video. |
ManabanMay 5, 2020 2:50 PM
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Manaban said: Kalvus said: I don't feel ostracised for liking anime and I'm usually very open about it. I like ecchi, and as you can see, we've both been going back and forth with big paragraphs. We are examples of exactly what Scamboli was saying. But that doesn't make us "Elitists" of "Babies." The real problem are these people who go out of their way to be so close-minded truly are a stain in the anime community. I'm not going to be hostile to anyone like this, and I'm not going to go out of my way to make life worse for them. But am I and Scamboli at a fault for not liking people who aren't even open to change? People who insult and berate me and you for not liking the shows they like? It's annoying to have to put up with people like this. Again, he is literally using "babies" and "elitists" to encourage harassing people who like ecchi and write long posts. It's a forced association. If he was attacking elitism he would've attacked the behavior and not something so disconnected/specific, and the whole bringing ecchi fans into it for whatever reasons would've never came up. Why is he forcing these specific associations if his only real interest is attacking the behaviors that you're associating, and why is he tying these into the harassment brigade he's trying to get people to do? I am not encouraging them to leave the fandom. I am not bullying these people. I have never gone up to these people and said "hey yo you a Lil baby leave my fandom." But, between you and me, I think it's OK to call people like these babies because that's what they are acting like! I don't like them, am I wrong for saying that I don't like someone? Its not like I am going to bully these people, I just don't like them. It's not like i am telling them to actually do harm to themselves. Don't take my words out of context Because you're associating it with negative and toxic behaviors. This actually isn't something I take issue with. But you know who certainly didn't limit themselves to the actual connotations you're using and began citing superficial specifics that are absolutely in no way inherently linked to these things? The guy you're trying to defend. 3. Your next point makes no sense and I've already gone over the fake harassment you're talking about He said "We need to mock these people into oblivion and out of the fandom." He took labels like elitist and tried associating them with super specific behaviors that he took personal issue with as opposed to behaviors that are actually elitists. Likewise, he took the term babies and tried to make it out to be like not calling a show he wants you to call shit is enough to be considered acting as such. I don't care what you think, and honestly, I don't even think you and I disagree that much about the behaviors you're talking about being toxic. I care about what Scamboli said, though. Because he did not limit it to what you're trying to say he did, and you fucking know it at this point. Yes. I'm not going to lie but your final claim is true. It's awful to force someone to think their favorite anime is shit(but don't say the harass and mock part, that is not true) He literally said it and you have already admitted that he said it. I'm going to say he said it. Because it's a totally fucked up and out of line thing to say. Just in general, anituber or not, but the fact that he has an audience who could act on what he's encouraging makes it even worse because it's more of a threat than if somebody who nobody listened to said anything. People should be aware that Scamboli is the type of pathetic and petty person to say shit like this. Fuck his background music and fuck how casual he is. That's the absolute opposite of chill, and it's a genuinely contemptuous thing to encourage. But the problem is that they aren't even willing to hear the criticism, they just blindly accept that their show is the best and get mad at anyone who thinks otherwise. And what'd he do with that? If you answered "Try to link it as an inherent behavior to certain fandoms and use that as a basis to justify harassing them unless they prove they weren't like that by bowing down and saying these shows they don't think are shit, are well, shit" than ding ding ding! You win! It can work for the other side, sure. But we're talking about what Scamboli said, and my issue with it wasn't being critical of people who meet criticism of their favorite show with hostility, it's who he tried to link it to and encourage harassing based off of that unless they conformed to him. So, answer - who'd he specifically try to link this as an inherent behavior towards, and who'd he specifically encourage harassing if they didn't conform and say the shows they liked are shit? tell me. when did he say that we should explicitly harass these people? When did he say that we should mock these people out of oblivion(id like a timestamp because i don't believe you) and finally, yes, I once again have to agree with you. He shouldn't have lumped together genres and correlate them to the toxic side of the anime community. Its wrong and just makes an untrue stereotype. But I still don't think he ever said that we should explicitly bully and harass these people. |
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Kalvus said: Manaban said: Again, he is literally using "babies" and "elitists" to encourage harassing people who like ecchi and write long posts. It's a forced association. If he was attacking elitism he would've attacked the behavior and not something so disconnected/specific, and the whole bringing ecchi fans into it for whatever reasons would've never came up. Why is he forcing these specific associations if his only real interest is attacking the behaviors that you're associating, and why is he tying these into the harassment brigade he's trying to get people to do? Because you're associating it with negative and toxic behaviors. This actually isn't something I take issue with. But you know who certainly didn't limit themselves to the actual connotations you're using and began citing superficial specifics that are absolutely in no way inherently linked to these things? The guy you're trying to defend. He said "We need to mock these people into oblivion and out of the fandom." He took labels like elitist and tried associating them with super specific behaviors that he took personal issue with as opposed to behaviors that are actually elitists. Likewise, he took the term babies and tried to make it out to be like not calling a show he wants you to call shit is enough to be considered acting as such. I don't care what you think, and honestly, I don't even think you and I disagree that much about the behaviors you're talking about being toxic. I care about what Scamboli said, though. Because he did not limit it to what you're trying to say he did, and you fucking know it at this point. He literally said it and you have already admitted that he said it. I'm going to say he said it. Because it's a totally fucked up and out of line thing to say. Just in general, anituber or not, but the fact that he has an audience who could act on what he's encouraging makes it even worse because it's more of a threat than if somebody who nobody listened to said anything. People should be aware that Scamboli is the type of pathetic and petty person to say shit like this. Fuck his background music and fuck how casual he is. That's the absolute opposite of chill, and it's a genuinely contemptuous thing to encourage. And what'd he do with that? If you answered "Try to link it as an inherent behavior to certain fandoms and use that as a basis to justify harassing them unless they prove they weren't like that by bowing down and saying these shows they don't think are shit, are well, shit" than ding ding ding! You win! It can work for the other side, sure. But we're talking about what Scamboli said, and my issue with it wasn't being critical of people who meet criticism of their favorite show with hostility, it's who he tried to link it to and encourage harassing based off of that unless they conformed to him. So, answer - who'd he specifically try to link this as an inherent behavior towards, and who'd he specifically encourage harassing if they didn't conform and say the shows they liked are shit? tell me. when did he say that we should explicitly harass these people? When did he say that we should mock these people out of oblivion(id like a timestamp because i don't believe you) and finally, yes, I once again have to agree with you. He shouldn't have lumped together genres and correlate them to the toxic side of the anime community. Its wrong and just makes an untrue stereotype. But I still don't think he ever said that we should explicitly bully and harass these people. Iunno, man. I haven't gone back and watched the video for this discussion because it's not worth it. It was one of the few times I've legit gotten mad at a YouTuber instead of just being critical/dismissive of what they had to say, and I'd rather not put my stomach through that again. It's why, when I said that quote, I spoke in "If I recall"s and languages that indicated that it wasn't concrete/that I might not be remembering right. But you know who does know when he said this, and who rewatched the video to make sure? Kalvus said: This is a quote straight from the video, and you think that in this very same video Scamboli would say "if people don't think this makes them bad and defend then we need to mock them into oblivion for it"? Well yes, he did say this but it has nothing to do with people who like bad anime. He says something roughly along the lines of what you said(but less harsh) about the awful stereotypically anime fan that acts like children that in turn make us regular people look bad. For example, the people who say, "fuk u dum baby u uwndurstawnd gud animes keys" I won't act like you didn't try to justify it or anything so I'm going to bold the first part while leaving in the second part that's less relevant to what I'm saying here, but you admit to it here and then follow it up with trying to explain why you think I didn't interpret it right. You know damn well what he said. You've already acknowledged it. You know who that made a hell of a lot more confident that they remembered it right? At this point it's just a bad faith argument. This is just denial about an anituber you like saying something really contempt-worthy. |
ManabanMay 5, 2020 3:05 PM
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Manaban said: Kalvus said: tell me. when did he say that we should explicitly harass these people? When did he say that we should mock these people out of oblivion(id like a timestamp because i don't believe you) and finally, yes, I once again have to agree with you. He shouldn't have lumped together genres and correlate them to the toxic side of the anime community. Its wrong and just makes an untrue stereotype. But I still don't think he ever said that we should explicitly bully and harass these people. Iunno, man. I haven't gone back and watched the video for this discussion because it's not worth it. It was one of the few times I've legit gotten mad at a YouTuber instead of just being critical/dismissive of what they had to say, and I'd rather not put my stomach through that again. It's why, when I said that quote, I spoke in "If I recall"s and languages that indicated that it wasn't concrete/that I might not be remembering right. But you know who does know when he said this, and who rewatched the video to make sure? Kalvus said: This is a quote straight from the video, and you think that in this very same video Scamboli would say "if people don't think this makes them bad and defend then we need to mock them into oblivion for it"? Well yes, he did say this but it has nothing to do with people who like bad anime. He says something roughly along the lines of what you said(but less harsh) about the awful stereotypically anime fan that acts like children that in turn make us regular people look bad. For example, the people who say, "fuk u dum baby u uwndurstawnd gud animes keys" I won't act like you didn't try to justify it or anything so I'm going to bold the first part while leaving in the second part that's less relevant to what I'm saying here, but you admit to it here and then follow it up with trying to explain why you think I didn't interpret it right. You know damn well what he said. You've already acknowledged it. At this point it's just a bad faith argument. This is a quote straight from the video You got this wrong man, I was talking about scamboli's quote about people liking shows even if they arent that great that was wholesome "I remember I had the Ichigo vs. Grimmjow fight saved on my PSP that Id watch every once in a while and I can still check it out and be just as entertained because it's alright to like bad anime... you can like something and acknowledge that it has insurmountable flaws. That's called "Grown man shit"... because we are human, we don't always have to have a good reason to like something. I meant that yes, he did mock them, even if that's not what I wrote, its what i meant. He still never said anything about wanting to mock them out of oblivion, and your not even willing to fact check that quote overall this is my view so we have no misconceptions: I think its bad to lump together all the cringy people in the anime community into liking a couple of very specific shows. I don't think he ever said anything about harassing the see people, me saying that he did was a mistake in my writing |
KalvusMay 5, 2020 3:13 PM
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Kalvus said: Manaban said: Iunno, man. I haven't gone back and watched the video for this discussion because it's not worth it. It was one of the few times I've legit gotten mad at a YouTuber instead of just being critical/dismissive of what they had to say, and I'd rather not put my stomach through that again. It's why, when I said that quote, I spoke in "If I recall"s and languages that indicated that it wasn't concrete/that I might not be remembering right. But you know who does know when he said this, and who rewatched the video to make sure? I won't act like you didn't try to justify it or anything so I'm going to bold the first part while leaving in the second part that's less relevant to what I'm saying here, but you admit to it here and then follow it up with trying to explain why you think I didn't interpret it right. You know damn well what he said. You've already acknowledged it. At this point it's just a bad faith argument. This is a quote straight from the video You got this wrong man, I was talking about scamboli's quote about people liking shows even if they arent that great that was wholesome "I remember I had the Ichigo vs. Grimmjow fight saved on my PSP that Id watch every once in a while and I can still check it out and be just as entertained because it's alright to like bad anime... you can like something and acknowledge that it has insurmountable flaws. That's called "Grown man shit"... because we are human, we don't always have to have a good reason to like something. I meant that yes, he did mock them, even if that's not what I wrote, its what i meant. He still never said anything about wanting to mock them out of oblivion, and your not even willing to fact check that quote Why on earth would you put "Well yes he did say this" where you did, then? and you think that in this very same video Scamboli would say "if people don't think this makes them bad and defend then we need to mock them into oblivion for it"? Well yes, he did say this Admittedly, I was more concerned with adding the rest of your argument than where I put the bold in that quote so you didn't feel misrepresented again. If you want to ignore this part to focus on the "This is a quote directly from the video" bit I misbolded, then by all means, I'll whittle it all away to show what I wanted to show - you acknowledging that he said it. I think the worst thing I'm doing here is putting my faith/trust in somebody who comes off like they're mostly interested in just defending this guy while being at least aware he said a lot of really contempt-worthy shit in that video. But that's what I'm doing. |
ManabanMay 5, 2020 3:17 PM
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Manaban said: Kalvus said: You got this wrong man, I was talking about scamboli's quote about people liking shows even if they arent that great that was wholesome I meant that yes, he did mock them, even if that's not what I wrote, its what i meant. Kalvus said: You got this wrong man, I was talking about scamboli's quote about people liking shows even if they arent that great that was wholesome I meant that yes, he did mock them, even if that's not what I wrote, its what i meant. He still never said anything about wanting to mock them out of oblivion, and your not even willing to fact check that quote Why on earth would you put "Well yes he did say this" where you did, then? and you think that in this very same video Scamboli would say "if people don't think this makes them bad and defend then we need to mock them into oblivion for it"? Well yes, he did say this Admittedly, I was more concerned with adding the rest of your argument than where I put the bold in that quote so you didn't feel misrepresented again. If you want to ignore this part to focus on the "This is a quote directly from the video" bit I misbolded, then by all means, I'll whittle it all away to show what I wanted to show. I'm sorry i meant like "yes he did make fun of these people." |
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Manaban said: Kalvus said: You got this wrong man, I was talking about scamboli's quote about people liking shows even if they arent that great that was wholesome I meant that yes, he did mock them, even if that's not what I wrote, its what i meant. Kalvus said: You got this wrong man, I was talking about scamboli's quote about people liking shows even if they arent that great that was wholesome I meant that yes, he did mock them, even if that's not what I wrote, its what i meant. He still never said anything about wanting to mock them out of oblivion, and your not even willing to fact check that quote Why on earth would you put "Well yes he did say this" where you did, then? and you think that in this very same video Scamboli would say "if people don't think this makes them bad and defend then we need to mock them into oblivion for it"? Well yes, he did say this Admittedly, I was more concerned with adding the rest of your argument than where I put the bold in that quote so you didn't feel misrepresented again. If you want to ignore this part to focus on the "This is a quote directly from the video" bit I misbolded, then by all means, I'll whittle it all away to show what I wanted to show - you acknowledging that he said it. also, id love to keep on talking but I'm about to go and surf with some homies, so id reply to whatever you say in a couple of hours and imma just try to talk only about the topic at hand and nothing personal, can we agree on that? I don't want to have a debate based on us just being angry at each other, id rather debates about the actual topic. |
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