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Sep 7, 2011 6:00 PM

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So this screenshot from the episode -

Steins Gate - El Psy Congroo @ John Titor (Kurisu?) (93 = ?)

Ahahaha
Sep 7, 2011 8:28 PM

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How can i rate steins gate a million in MAL.....after watching d ep 23.. it surely is a masterpiece

i even made it into my favorite list..
Sep 7, 2011 8:31 PM

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It is surprising, how it went from, possibly a below average anime, till episode 12, to something a lot greater.
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It final makes sense now...But i am stilling wondering how their going to end it in one episode. But that's what steins;gate has not failed to do for almost every single episode was...blow away my mind, now be honest who was not lost at least once during the whole 23 aired episodes?
Sep 7, 2011 9:19 PM

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Epic, That's All 10 for this chapter !! OMG
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Plun said:
Darkfalz said:
After a good nights sleep I was able to wrap my head around the series but while the rest of my questions should be solved in the final episode I'm unsure of one thing. I noticed in the world where okabe falls In love with kurisu she originally had no interest in time travel and thought it was bs. In the world he reverts to when she dies we find out she wrote the paper and started what was ww3. Is this just the effect of a different world line?

She did have an interest, she just didn't show it cause if she proved Time travel works or whatever, her father will hate her more.

Kurisu always has interest in time travel theories. She is the Mother of Time Machine in the Alpha Worldline afterall. And don't forget Kurisu is a tsundere. Her attitude towards time traveling is mainly affected by her father, Dr. Nakabachi.


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EXACTLY! It's kind look who is laughing now! Ha! Mayuri was useful in thee end and that slap really is still making me really happy.

Been watching the end of the episode over 5 times now where the VN music is played to test out the emotional response. Used to do shit in psychology. Have found out that the VN music + the general mood that does make you want to "Yeah! Let's do it! Let's make it all good again!" stuff like that + the hopes totally = to a outburst of emotions. For me it was yelling and tearing. It's too powerful for a scene. It's like watching one of Clannad. No matter it affects you. That is really amazing in anime. It requires really powerful directing. Took me 10 times at some part of Clannad to not affect me much.

Yeah at the end I did yell out El! Psy! Congroo! Yeah!

Haha, it seems that you really loved Mayuri. There's a whole story behind that slap. You must listen to the Drama CD Beta when its translation is done. Maybe I should working on it again specially for you. XD

And Skyclad no Kansokusha is the only song that can fit perfectly with that scene. Epicness will be x infinite times if you know its lyrics.
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Letitbe said:
It is surprising, how it went from, possibly a below average anime, till episode 12, to something a lot greater.


Steins;Gate was never a below average anime, maybe it was just too slow paced for you I guess.

It was given 24 episodes, so it has time to build everything up for the climax. I can't imagine Steins;Gate with 12 episodes like the abysmal Chaos;Head.

You just can't rush the early part of the story, since it symbolizes humans curiosity and their irresponsible use of power (time traveling). The next half of the season was spent for repercussions of their irresponsibility and then solving the problem.

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In general, people got too used to the fast pacing of a 12 episode anime series.

El Psy Congroo
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EL!!! PSY!!! CONGROO!!!!!

*repeat this if you think Steins;Gate is masterpiece*
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ringoo4 said:
EL!!! PSY!!! CONGROO!!!!!

*repeat this if you think Steins;Gate is masterpiece*


Let's become one with all Kyoumas. EL!!! PSY!!! CONGROO!!!!!!!!!

Sorry my friend, but you're wrong about one thing. Steins;Gate isn't a masterpiece... It's something MORE THAN a masterpiece =)
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT HOLY SHIT.

Mature Okarin voice killed me.
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Kansokusha said:
Kurisu always has interest in time travel theories. She is the Mother of Time Machine in the Alpha Worldline afterall. And don't forget Kurisu is a tsundere. Her attitude towards time traveling is mainly affected by her father, Dr. Nakabachi.


Wow, i totally let that part go over my head. Does it mention what his regret was? Also, since he wasnt so aggressive in the Alpha line and hasnt contacted Kurisu, what happens of the time machine theory papers? Is the info I quoted from the show or partially from the VN itself? If its from the show ill just have to rewatch it when 24 comes out :)
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I KNEW IT!

Omg..seriously, my right eye shed a tear because of Okarin's epicness at the end, really. Mature Okarin is MOTHA FUCKING EPIC. DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This one episode blew my mind. Like DAMN!!!

EL!!!! PSY!!! CONGROO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Darkfalz89 said:
Wow, i totally let that part go over my head. Does it mention what his regret was? Also, since he wasnt so aggressive in the Alpha line and hasnt contacted Kurisu, what happens of the time machine theory papers? Is the info I quoted from the show or partially from the VN itself? If its from the show ill just have to rewatch it when 24 comes out :)
It's not being mentioned even in the VN as we always follow Okabe's perspective. The backstory of Dr. Nakabachi is detailed in Kurisu's drama CD. She may or may not write the papers in Alpha, the theories are in her mind anyway. As for Nakabachi(Makise Shouitsu), deep in his heart he loves Kurisu, he just happen to have a troubled personality.
Sep 8, 2011 12:31 AM
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Just one question, what significance does that "metal upa" have in this story? Reading through the thread I still don't understand..
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Droplet said:
So this screenshot from the episode -

Steins Gate - El Psy Congroo @ John Titor (Kurisu?) (93 = ?)

Ahahaha


1993.10.29 ? I think this is his date of birth :O

El Psy Congroo
Sep 8, 2011 1:06 AM

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TofuRice said:
Just one question, what significance does that "metal upa" have in this story? Reading through the thread I still don't understand..
The cargo caught fire when Dr. Nakabachi took his flight to Russia. The time machine papers were supposed to be stored with the cargo. But as Mayushii's Metal Uupa was inside the envelope, it couldn't get pass the security scanning at the airport and Nakabachi kept the papers with him, thus spared it from the fire. The Metal Uupa is the catalyst of WWIII.
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Damn, I think I FINALLY get, after some hours, why the "tricked out time" thing ( or, in other words, making the same scene with a different result) works in the steinsverse.
it IS messy, my brain almost fried (between the fact that the reality DON'T count, or almost don't exist/count for that matter, the link with the traveler's memories, how attractors are applied and the statut of the observer itself... it was hard to balance).
This was a serious pain but now I can say it, the "saving kurisu despite the scene of death being the same" isn't a stupid happy ending and follow the logic of the whole show (even if it still create a paradox, somehow), you just need to get how time and the world works in steins, a bit like in chaos;head.
It's just that attractors are not mere fatalism, it's a more... complicated thing.

The fact that pretty much everything works because of the observer makes sky clad no KANSOKUSHA playing in the background at this moment even more funny.

Also, Okabe was REALLY lucky not to know her at this moment. If I'm thinking right, it would have been a LOT more annoying otherwise. In fact it would have been downright impossible to do the same thing with Mayuri because of this, IMO.

The best bet would be to take her to the future 3 weeks later in the time machine after a "fake death", and everything would be perfect this way. Let's see if they will do this or something more... twisted.

Just one question, what significance does that "metal upa" have in this story? Reading through the thread I still don't understand..


during Okabe's ""fight"" (or before, no idea), it ended up being put in Kurisu's paper about time machines. You can see it by the way, when Nakabachi takes the paper after Kurisu is stabbed there is a "big round" thing into it.
Because of this, it apparently was blocked at the airport or something, and avoided a fire which would have destroyed it.
Briefly, no metal upa => Kurisu's work is burned is a cargo's fire. No WW3. "Good future".
Metal upa in the letter =>The letter is stopped at the airport. It isn't destroyed and arrive to Russia. WW3 for time dominance.
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Darkfalz89 said:
Also, since he wasnt so aggressive in the Alpha line .
I was suspecting that Okabe was the main reason that made him so aggressive ...

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It's just that attractors are not mere fatalism, it's a more... complicated thing.
people who believe in fatalism are people who are deceiving themselves... ahem@#Ringo$@!ahem
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Hello from Japan :D

I love this episode too. love skyclad no kansokusya

EL!!! PSY!!! CONGROO!!!!!
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Kansokusha said:
TofuRice said:
Just one question, what significance does that "metal upa" have in this story? Reading through the thread I still don't understand..
The cargo caught fire when Dr. Nakabachi took his flight to Russia. The time machine papers were supposed to be stored with the cargo. But as Mayushii's Metal Uupa was inside the envelope, it couldn't get pass the security scanning at the airport and Nakabachi kept the papers with him, thus spared it from the fire. The Metal Uupa is the catalyst of WWIII.


Oh okay, now I get it..
Thank you for telling me
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Kansokusha said:
Haha, it seems that you really loved Mayuri. There's a whole story behind that slap. You must listen to the Drama CD Beta when its translation is done. Maybe I should working on it again specially for you. XD
Yes indeed. I don't hate Makise but I value far more Mayuri. Please PM when you are done with that and I shall listen and make time to do so.
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And Skyclad no Kansokusha is the only song that can fit perfectly with that scene. Epicness will be x infinite times if you know its lyrics.
I see, that's why. When I learned the lyrics of it and analyzed it, I wondering how its implication can be. Guess the emotional of it is clear.
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EL!!! PSY!!! CONGROO!!!!!

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epic man!!
i wonder how he's gonna deceive the world.. can't wait for next ep >:3


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willardhwright said:
It's just that attractors are not mere fatalism, it's a more... complicated thing.
people who believe in fatalism are people who are deceiving themselves... ahem@#Ringo$@!ahem


I agree with this, no matter how complicated things may seem at the surface, such as attractors and time paradoxes, usually there is a way out of them
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btw, is it just me or



your thoughts?
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DenebV201 said:
Droplet said:
So this screenshot from the episode -

Steins Gate - El Psy Congroo @ John Titor (Kurisu?) (93 = ?)

Ahahaha


1993.10.29 ? I think this is his date of birth :O

El Psy Congroo


okarin's birthday is 1991.12.14
i also wonder what is this sg-epk@jtk93.x29.jp
Steins Gate - El Psy Kool (Congroo)?
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asmodin88 said:
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the future Okabe is from alpha worldline as well.
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oh my wow.

twas incredible.

Still, totally saw that predestination paradox coming.
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MorningGlory said:
asmodin88 said:
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the future Okabe is from alpha worldline as well.

ofcourse, but he has been to the beta worldline aswell, since he knows of the memories of kurisu he made there. thus, the first dmail must have already been sent.
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asmodin88 said:
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That's the more or less theidea. Thing is, Kurisu also die without future!Okabe being here because of the attractor, so it avoid the paradox part and it allows the story to have a "beginning".
A real paradox would be Kyouma directly sending the D-mail becaue of his future self. But here she dies anyway, if it's not by his hand it could even be by being stomped by an elephant. Damn, it would work.

I think I can see what do you meant by paradox, basically something like "there is no real beginning" right?
If it's that, there is one. We just don't directly see it.

1>Kurisu dies without future-okabe (jute like Mayuri always died anyway). That's NOT what happens in ep1.
2>Okabe send his D-mail
3>everything from the world line alpha happen
4>Okabe come back and tries to change things
5>things don't change and he causes it himself as a result.
6>past Okabe sees the dead Kurisu killed by himself
7>Back to 2

As long as there was a "beginning" where Makise died without World line alpha-Okabe, there isn't any paradox. And there is absolutely no proof that what we are seeing is the "first loop". In fact I kind of think the opposite for many reasons.
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willardhwright said:
asmodin88 said:
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That's the more or less theidea. Thing is, Kurisu also die without future!Okabe being here because of the attractor, so it avoid the paradox part and allowing the story to have a "beginning".
A real paradox would be Kyouma directly sending the D-mail becaue of his future self. But here she dies anyway, if it's not by his hand it could even be by being stomped by an elephant. Damn, it would work.

I think I can see what do you meant by paradox, basically something like "there is no real beginning" right?
If it's that, there is one. We just don't directly see it.

1>Kurisu dies without future-okabe (jute like Mayuri always died anyway). That's NOT what happens in ep1.
2>Okabe send his D-mail
3>everything from the world line alpha happen
4>Okabe come back and tries to change things
5>things don't change and he causes it himself as a result.
6>past Okabe sees the dead Kurisu killed by himself
7>Back to 2

As long as there was a "beginning" where Makise died without World line alpha-Okabe, there isn't any paradox. And there is absolutely no proof that what we are seeing is the "first loop". In fact I kind of think the opposite for many reasons.

Thanks for clearing that up, that's what I thought aswell.

I will just pretend that the reason he couldn't see the Movie he got from his future self in Ep.1 was because of some crazy future tech and because future Okabe planned it to be like that, and then everything makes perfect sense ^^.
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asmodin88 said:
of course, but he has been to the beta worldline aswell, since he knows of the memories of kurisu he made there. thus, the first dmail must have already been sent.

Like Mayuri, Kurisu can't escape the convergence in this worldline. Okabe killing her is just one of the infinite possibilities.
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I will just pretend that the reason he couldn't see the Movie he got from his future self in Ep.1 was because of some crazy future tech and because future Okabe planned it to be like that, and then everything makes perfect sense ^^.


I've also been seriously wondering about this.
A looong time ago, I theorized that 2 phones in the same timeline would screw with each other, now with what Suzuha says about having to let his phne in the future... I cannot see this line being useless.

For the mail... let's jst say that since the beginning of the mail seems to be interferences, and he was interrupted by mayuri, he didn't watch it a long time enough the first time?
That's the only explaination I can see for now, and it also REALLY annoy me, since I've been on this event of ep1 for a while.
And even if it's sent because of his failure, there is absolutely no raison for not being able to open it before a specific event.

Another guess: It's a move from causality in order to keep itself in order. Time travel isn't supposed to exist in conventional logic. As a matter of course, it SHOULD be okay and it SHOULD keep causality in order to see the message after Kurisu's death. After all there is no way of changing it. Except that there is.

It would be a LOT easier to say that "he decided to send to mail only after he killed Kurisu himself", but it doesn't explain why the mail was empty at first.
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I been wondering where is the "first loop" start as well..
In the first episode, we heard Okabe scream as well.Meaning that Okabe have close relationship with Kurisi as well.It will make sense that Future Okabe in first episode did sent a D-movie to save Kurisi.
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Fuckin epic ... anime of the year right here.
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willardhwright said:

1>Kurisu dies without future-okabe (jute like Mayuri always died anyway). That's NOT what happens in ep1.
2>Okabe send his D-mail
3>everything from the world line alpha happen
4>Okabe come back and tries to change things
5>things don't change and he causes it himself as a result.
6>past Okabe sees the dead Kurisu killed by himself
7>Back to 2


I like what you wrote, but Okabe send the D-mail (2) because he heard a scream and went to check what the cause of it was. So, if Makise's father killed her without future Okabe, then there wouldn't have be a scream, Okabe won't find her and send the D-mail.

I'm completely lost, damn (and i like it xD)
(and once again - sorry for my english, especially the tenses >.<)



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willardhwright said:

1>Kurisu dies without future-okabe (jute like Mayuri always died anyway). That's NOT what happens in ep1.
2>Okabe send his D-mail
3>everything from the world line alpha happen
4>Okabe come back and tries to change things
5>things don't change and he causes it himself as a result.
6>past Okabe sees the dead Kurisu killed by himself
7>Back to 2


I like what you wrote, but Okabe send the D-mail (2) because he heard a scream and went to check what the cause of it was. So, if Makise's father killed her without future Okabe, then there wouldn't have be a scream, Okabe won't find her and send the D-mail.

I'm completely lost, damn (and i like it xD)
(and once again - sorry for my english, especially the tenses >.<)



El Psy Congroo


In the iteration that we are seeing, yes. that's exactly why we are not seeing the first one, among other reasons. In the first one Kurisu is still dead, and he still send a message telling it to Daru.
I don't even know if it's necessary for him so see her body himself in the first iteration. After all he just need to tell Daru that she is stabbed. As long as it creates a future where for him, she is dead, seeing her body don't matter that much.

Anyway, first case, he sees her body himself, quite doable since somebody will have to do it anyway. Maybe him finding her could even be considered as another attractor and Okabe's scream itself was only here as one way for him to come here, among others?
It wouldn't surprise me at all, since for now they are pretty much fated to meet in every single reality.

Second case, he don't see the body at all. However, a murder during this kind of event is rarely unnoticed. He learn that "Makise Kurisu was stabbed", a pretty normal thing, if there is a murder at a conference like this and she is famous, of course everyone will know about it. And so he send the message to Daru. Beginning of the loop. Job done.
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MorningGlory said:
I been wondering where is the "first loop" start as well..
In the first episode, we heard Okabe scream as well.Meaning that Okabe have close relationship with Kurisi as well.It will make sense that Future Okabe in first episode did sent a D-movie to save Kurisi.

It's a closed loop where things are blur that you can't really tell which comes first. To my understanding, the Movie-mail was like in a state of suspension up until causality is met, as something you can imagine from outside the wheel of fate. So it's not a matter of why Okabe couldn't read it, but when he could read it.

Hell, Okabe is truely a persistent genius mind. The whole Operation Skuld is like a process of trial and error. God knows how many loops he had been through to get to this point. First, our Kyouma has to live long enough to complete the Movie-mail technology AND perfect his whole masterplan. Second, he has to pray that the mail being sent and unlocked successfully. Then, he has to bet everything on his other selves into believeing his agenda. And on top of that, he MUST not screw things up during the operation. One stupid move would end in disaster, be it pushing the whole plan waaaay back or resulting in an unpredictable worldline.
So although the plan sounds well-thought, near-perfect. It would take more than a Deus Ex for it to actually work. Personally, I think that slap, that sacrifice is also part of Okabe's grand plan.

But still, this is Hououin Kyouma for you. All the charm comes form his insanity. =)
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Kyouma_y said:
MorningGlory said:
I been wondering where is the "first loop" start as well..
In the first episode, we heard Okabe scream as well.Meaning that Okabe have close relationship with Kurisi as well.It will make sense that Future Okabe in first episode did sent a D-movie to save Kurisi.

It's a closed loop where things are blur that you can't really tell which comes first. To my understanding, the Movie-mail was like in a state of suspension up until causality is met, as something you can imagine from outside the wheel of fate. So it's not a matter of why Okabe couldn't read it, but when he could read it.

Hell, Okabe is truely a persistent genius mind. The whole Operation Skuld is like a process of trial and error. God knows how many loops he had been through to get to this point. First, our Kyouma has to live long enough to complete the Movie-mail technology AND perfect his whole masterplan. Second, he has to pray that the mail being sent and unlocked successfully. Then, he has to bet everything on his other selves into believeing his agenda. And on top of that, he MUST not screw things up during the operation. One stupid move would end in disaster, be it pushing the whole plan waaaay back or resulting in an unpredictable worldline.
So although the plan sounds well-thought, near-perfect. It would take more than a Deus Ex for it to actually work. Personally, I think that slap, that sacrifice is also part of Okabe's grand plan.

But still, this is Hououin Kyouma for you. All the charm comes form his insanity. =)


Keh. The last thing I thought about for the movie-mail impossible to open is pretty much the fact that causability itself was putting a lock on it until it became harmless in order to avoid a "disaster",and he screwed this anyway.
So yeah, maybe it's a little too much, I'll see later what I can keep in this theory, but in any case future-Okabe have plans over plans over plans over plans, and is almost at the level where he USES and MANIPULATE natural laws that are supposed to keep the world balanced.. That's quite something, indeed.
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the worst thing is, Okabe doesn't know what lies in the world line "stein gate".Maybe Okabe will die after he save Kurisi or maybe Mayuri will die instead.Maybe SERN will take over the world again....
This Anime is science fiction and its about scientist experimenting stuff, and now Okabe is making the biggest experiment ever ...I guess I am addicted to this Anime because of this exciting experiment.
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the Movie-mail was like in a state of suspension up until causality is met, as something you can imagine from outside the wheel of fate.
the movie mail can be explain but Okabe's scream still remain as a mystery =(
Okabe scream = Okabe come to july17....why he come?
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but it doesn't explain why the mail was empty at first.
I don't think its empty, I think its just unsuccessful.

anyway,I am still stuck on the "scream" part in first episode.... confusing.. i give up...
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MorningGlory said:
the worst thing is, Okabe doesn't know what lies in the world line "stein gate".Maybe Okabe will die after he save Kurisi or maybe Mayuri will die instead.Maybe SERN will take over the world again....
This Anime is science fiction and its about scientist experimenting stuff, and now Okabe is making the biggest experiment ever ...I guess I am addicted to this Anime because of this exciting experiment.
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the Movie-mail was like in a state of suspension up until causality is met, as something you can imagine from outside the wheel of fate.
the movie mail can be explain but Okabe's scream still remain as a mystery =(
Okabe scream = Okabe come to july17....why he come?
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but it doesn't explain why the mail was empty at first.
I don't think its empty, I think its just unsuccessful.

anyway,I am still stuck on the "scream" part in first episode.... confusing.. i give up...


What do you mean by why does he come?


Yep about the unsuccesful one.
I had another theory saying that the Okabe of the last loop had his cell phone on him. Which screwed everything, big time. Which would be why Suzuha tells him to let it in the future. Otherwie this line would have been completely useless, the video mail is on the phone of past-Okabe anyway. I'm pretty sure that two times EXACTLY the same thing in one reality = really bad. Especially when it works wwith wavelenghts. And since it worked when he didn't have his phone with him...
It still works with the mail being "sealed" by an attractor in order to avoid screwing the future, so who knows.
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willardhwright said:
What do you mean by why does he come?
Why Okabe come and why he scream inside the building.Does it mean that Okabe has the intention of saving Kurisi from the first episode? or maybe he just come in to scream just because a person died.
this is the part which makes me wonder which is the "first loop" / which is the part that both Okabe and Kurisi have a relationship
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I had another theory saying that the Okabe of the last loop had his cell phone on him. Which screwed everything, big time. Which would be why Suzuha tells him to let it in the future.
maybe true. but I don't think Suzuha will allow such mistake since she is John Titor.
My idea is that Okabe did not stab Kurisi and future Okabe can't send a successful mail...
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MorningGlory said:
willardhwright said:
What do you mean by why does he come?
Why Okabe come and why he scream inside the building.Does it mean that Okabe has the intention of saving Kurisi from the first episode? or maybe he just come in to scream just because a person died.
this is the part which makes me wonder which is the "first loop" / which is the part that both Okabe and Kurisi have a relationship

It probably is because of the body, period. I cannot be absolutely sure about it, but we know one thing: Okabe is someone really. REALLY nice; EVERY time he sees someone's body, he COMPLETELY freak out. Even when this person is Moeka and killed his childhood friend before.
Anyway, maybe he didn't even scream or saw the body himself in the original loop, the one which started it all. Or maybe he didn't react this way. It's not really a problem. The scream always comes from an okabe coming back from the alpha timeline. So it always comes from an okabe who knows Kurisu.
He is REALLY sensitive anyway, so I think that he would scream anyway if someone was stabbed because of him..

willardhwright said:

I had another theory saying that the Okabe of the last loop had his cell phone on him. Which screwed everything, big time. Which would be why Suzuha tells him to let it in the future.
maybe true. but I don't think Suzuha will allow such mistake since she is John Titor.
My idea is that Okabe did not stab Kurisi and future Okabe can't send a successful mail...


Well, the problem is that the mail was sent, and it contained a video, but the video didn't work.In orther words, it was a technical problem, somehow. Maybe it was this. Maybe the last Kyouma didn't kill Kurisu himself, and therefore was less obsessed and worked less on his perfected D-mail. Something like that anyway. Facts are, it didn't work before, now it does. It could be because of a mistake from the previous Okabe, or because of a mistake from the current one.

It doesn't really help anyway.
About Suzuha being John Titor, well. As Kyouma said, everything was a matter of trial and error. In other words, suzuha and Okabe were probably HORRIBLE in their first tries and did everything wrong. When you look at suzuha's plan even in *our* loop, it's clear enough.
So not thinking about this kind of perturbations the first time would not have been too surprising.


One HILARIOUS thing about this episode is that REALLY. Except for the tricked out time part (which is hard to accept if for you Attractor = ABSOLUTE DEATH, unavoidable, when it is in fact subjective and depend of the observer/time traveler and """his""" world) the episode looked REALLY clear. you could make someone watch it, the first time, there is a lot of chances that they will not see anything wrong.
Turns out that it is a mind screw even worse than the previous ones when you think about ep1 again. Only a mind screw that you don't notice.
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MorningGlory said:
Why Okabe come and why he scream inside the building.Does it mean that Okabe has the intention of saving Kurisi from the first episode? or maybe he just come in to scream just because a person died.
this is the part which makes me wonder which is the "first loop" / which is the part that both Okabe and Kurisi have a relationship

He was only following the first half of the plan and of cause killed Kurisu accidentally which eventually led to his complete surrender and returned to his normal life, leaving Suzuha to fight alone. So he would never get to know the second half of the plan. BUT, he came up with the very same Operation Skuld years later and this is where you can see the irony and ievitability of the Convergence.
We are talking about an endless cycle of curse here and that's what Okabe has been trying to break free from. He would risk anything just to face-slap Fate itself. =)

MorningGlory said:
maybe true. but I don't think Suzuha will allow such mistake since she is John Titor.
My idea is that Okabe did not stab Kurisi and future Okabe can't send a successful mail...

I think it's just a measure to prevent it, not even something as insignificant as a cell phone, from being too similar to the previous worldline where the old okabe failed. The power of Butterfly Effect should never be underestimated you know.
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Kyouma_y said:
We are talking about an endless cycle of curse here
oh dear... infinite loop. Well, this Anime is about "fate" so I don't mind if there is an endless cycle....no one can really explain how fate/destiny work anyway.People just using god to answer that.
okay its time for me to sleep T.T
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"The world is in the palm of my hand!"

There's only one other notable character to ever have said that exact line and they are both probably the best male protagonists to exist in anime.



Nekomimi~
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Funny that you guys are discussing the original scream in the first episode since i was going to post the question myself. I think im slowly getting the paradox and time travel theory. I know that this series wont set out to answer some of our questions because for some reason these damn script writers always leave one, two or a billion questions unanswered and say its left for "our interpretation(forget the actual word they use)" In this case since it wont probably get answered in the last ep due to the volume of answers and plot that need to be covered i thought of my own scenario. Keep in mind this is one of the infinite possible scenarios.

Okabe in the timeline where kurisu dies eventually becomes placed into WW3 since regardless of her death her dad jacks her papers and it starts the "arms race" I know okabe mentions 5.7 billion lives mean nothing to him but im sure that knowing his character, he wants to know the source. One thing leads to another he finds the source being kurisu and uses a already created time machine/makes his own (this one is more doubtful due to his motivation theory) and goes to see who the culprit is and winds up trying to stop the stabbing/stabs her himself. Despite having or not having a emotional attachment he witnessed/caused a murder causing him to scream, setting off the events of ep 1.
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Darkfalz said:
I know okabe mentions 5.7 billion lives mean nothing to him


That's basically just Okabe showing that he has his priorities straight and he's not going to let the pressure get to him. If he starts worrying about the stakes, then he might get too stressed to carry out the mission. Okabe has always deeply cared about those close to him, so he's concerned with saving them first and foremost.
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Oh my god...... It's official, I think Hououin Kyouma is the best character this year.

SSOOOOO BADASS!!!!!!

Cannot wait for the next episode.

Pertaining to the episode:
Now, there's a twist I expected. The scene he stagger her was quite emotional and our great mad scientist who has the world in his palms, IS BACK!
"Justice Never Dies!" - Kenji Endou, 20th century Boys
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Anime isn't supposed to be this good <3

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@Darkfalz
okay you can say that Okabe maybe cared about ww3 but how about this...
The Future Okabe and Kurisi actually met before the present Okabe in episode1.Thats the reason why Kurisi pull the present Okabe out from the room.Kurisi said the future Okabe is emotionally sad and wanted to say something just like how he show in this episode.
Anyway,at least Suzuha cared about the 5.7billion live..
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SO EPIC !

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