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| the child who is before (#254) me really hasn't nothing to say, I wonder what he does on this forum ?? He should have chosen the forum of Sailor Moon !!! |
amenboy972Aug 11, 2011 12:24 PM
| umm... i'm really sorry if this has been mentioned before and you know it but... take a look at the person behind unohana (the vice captain): that guy's supposed to be hanatarou's brother and the 4th devision vice-captain from 100 years ago. the question i have is: Is it really him? or it's just similar character design? |
BozeSG said: umm... i'm really sorry if this has been mentioned before and you know it but... take a look at the person behind unohana (the vice captain): that guy's supposed to be hanatarou's brother and the 4th devision vice-captain from 100 years ago. the question i have is: Is it really him? or it's just similar character design? You find an interesting image. that character design exactly like Tsukishima. it would be surprise if he had direct link with soul society and plotting something evil. And if its just similar character design. i wouldn't be surprised. Ginjo is copy of Aizen in earlier chapters of this arc. |
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Wannabiteme said: Hypno-girl said: The problem is that is that you are implying that Ichigo is a normal person. The vaizard were normal person and Aizen hollowfied them but it is very fundamentaly different in Ichigo's case. Ok Ichigo had hollow power inside him since before the manga started Prove it, because now you are making assumption that he had "hollow power" or "Hollow"(this white guy, called Hichigo) inside him(or born with it). It is only said that he had zangetsu + his father was shinigami.AFAIR, his mother was killed when Ichigo had 9 years. So not even hollow power he can got like fullbringers. When he was training with Urahara, Hichigo was born. Rest is your assumptions. Are you guys really have been really reading the same manga as I did? Zangetsu said that him and Hollow Ichigo always has been once and the same. If you accept that Zangetsu was there before manga then you must automaticaly accept that Hollow Ichigo was also there before manga. Just like Fai said, Ichigo is a fullbringer, not everyone can be a fullbringer because it require being affected by hollow energy (or whatever you want to spell it) when the host of the fullbring is still in his mother's wombs. Ichigo having hollow power ever since he was born wouldn't be a strech, actually it would solve many question and would actually make more sense than the assumption made over the assumption of your memories. TL;DR : Ichigo was related to the hollow and shinigami world in more than one way before he was even born. |
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Han-yuu said: BozeSG said: umm... i'm really sorry if this has been mentioned before and you know it but... take a look at the person behind unohana (the vice captain): that guy's supposed to be hanatarou's brother and the 4th devision vice-captain from 100 years ago. the question i have is: Is it really him? or it's just similar character design? You find an interesting image. that character design exactly like Tsukishima. it would be surprise if he had direct link with soul society and plotting something evil. And if its just similar character design. i wouldn't be surprised. Ginjo is copy of Aizen in earlier chapters of this arc. I would not be surprised on if thats Tsukishima. We did have Shinji in the first few chapters of bleach manga on cover as well as in the beach spread waaay before vaizard arc. And Tsukishima seems awfully concerned on NOT getting recorded or seen in public. However going by the fact that Ginjou can take fb powers away, it implies that its GInjou who is the shinigami badge owner and not tsuki. |
AhenshihaelAug 11, 2011 1:30 PM
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Avalie said: Trite chapter. Kubo's style: Retcon, DEM, plotkai. Rinse and repeat. Did ya like my review ? :F |
| I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls. |
Hypno-girl said: KazukiUchiha said: When Ichigo was training with Urahara. Urahara said if the things eating his soul chain reaches his chest, he will become a hollow. When they did reach his chest, he started to transform into a hollow. But through pure willpower and the power within him, Ichigo suppressed the hollow energy trying to take him over, thus bringing Hollow Ichigo into the world from that suppressed energy. That's you making too much assumption. Yes Ichigo would have turned into a hollow but it has nothing to do with Hollow Ichigo. Ichigo had shinigami power even before he met Rukia as it was stated that it was his power that drew most of Rukia's power when she meant to give him a little. So that mean that Zangetsu dweeled inside of Ichigo since before the manga even started which in return mean that Hollow Ichigo dweeled inside of Ichigo before the manga even started as Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are but one entity : Ichigo's power. I think you are also making too much assumption. I am starting to think this about you as well because you keep saying that Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are both one, Which is correct because they have both said this in the Manga. BUT I think they were not one from the very start. I think they BECAME one after the training with Urahara, when Ichigo awakened Zangetsu. This leads me to believe that he will not have Hollow Powers any longer. But we will both have to see. |
KazukiUchiha said: Hypno-girl said: KazukiUchiha said: When Ichigo was training with Urahara. Urahara said if the things eating his soul chain reaches his chest, he will become a hollow. When they did reach his chest, he started to transform into a hollow. But through pure willpower and the power within him, Ichigo suppressed the hollow energy trying to take him over, thus bringing Hollow Ichigo into the world from that suppressed energy. That's you making too much assumption. Yes Ichigo would have turned into a hollow but it has nothing to do with Hollow Ichigo. Ichigo had shinigami power even before he met Rukia as it was stated that it was his power that drew most of Rukia's power when she meant to give him a little. So that mean that Zangetsu dweeled inside of Ichigo since before the manga even started which in return mean that Hollow Ichigo dweeled inside of Ichigo before the manga even started as Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are but one entity : Ichigo's power. I think you are also making too much assumption. I am starting to think this about you as well because you keep saying that Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are both one, Which is correct because they have both said this in the Manga. BUT I think they were not one from the very start. I think they BECAME one after the training with Urahara, when Ichigo awakened Zangetsu. This leads me to believe that he will not have Hollow Powers any longer. But we will both have to see. What part of Hichigo Tensa and Zangetsu are different parts of Ichigo's id did you NOT get? They all are Ichigo and have always been in him. |
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Fai said: KazukiUchiha said: Hypno-girl said: KazukiUchiha said: When Ichigo was training with Urahara. Urahara said if the things eating his soul chain reaches his chest, he will become a hollow. When they did reach his chest, he started to transform into a hollow. But through pure willpower and the power within him, Ichigo suppressed the hollow energy trying to take him over, thus bringing Hollow Ichigo into the world from that suppressed energy. That's you making too much assumption. Yes Ichigo would have turned into a hollow but it has nothing to do with Hollow Ichigo. Ichigo had shinigami power even before he met Rukia as it was stated that it was his power that drew most of Rukia's power when she meant to give him a little. So that mean that Zangetsu dweeled inside of Ichigo since before the manga even started which in return mean that Hollow Ichigo dweeled inside of Ichigo before the manga even started as Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are but one entity : Ichigo's power. I think you are also making too much assumption. I am starting to think this about you as well because you keep saying that Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are both one, Which is correct because they have both said this in the Manga. BUT I think they were not one from the very start. I think they BECAME one after the training with Urahara, when Ichigo awakened Zangetsu. This leads me to believe that he will not have Hollow Powers any longer. But we will both have to see. What part of Hichigo Tensa and Zangetsu are different parts of Ichigo's id did you NOT get? They all are Ichigo and have always been in him. So your saying Hollow Ichigo has always been dormant in Ichigo since birth, and did not grow to power and become active until the time Ichigo released his Shikai??? |
KazukiUchiha said: Fai said: KazukiUchiha said: Hypno-girl said: KazukiUchiha said: When Ichigo was training with Urahara. Urahara said if the things eating his soul chain reaches his chest, he will become a hollow. When they did reach his chest, he started to transform into a hollow. But through pure willpower and the power within him, Ichigo suppressed the hollow energy trying to take him over, thus bringing Hollow Ichigo into the world from that suppressed energy. That's you making too much assumption. Yes Ichigo would have turned into a hollow but it has nothing to do with Hollow Ichigo. Ichigo had shinigami power even before he met Rukia as it was stated that it was his power that drew most of Rukia's power when she meant to give him a little. So that mean that Zangetsu dweeled inside of Ichigo since before the manga even started which in return mean that Hollow Ichigo dweeled inside of Ichigo before the manga even started as Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are but one entity : Ichigo's power. I think you are also making too much assumption. I am starting to think this about you as well because you keep saying that Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are both one, Which is correct because they have both said this in the Manga. BUT I think they were not one from the very start. I think they BECAME one after the training with Urahara, when Ichigo awakened Zangetsu. This leads me to believe that he will not have Hollow Powers any longer. But we will both have to see. What part of Hichigo Tensa and Zangetsu are different parts of Ichigo's id did you NOT get? They all are Ichigo and have always been in him. So your saying Hollow Ichigo has always been dormant in Ichigo since birth, and did not grow to power and become active until the time Ichigo released his Shikai??? Hichigo is Ichigo's more animalistic sides, lust for power, lust for the heat of battle, etc. Mind-Zaraki has been a more-primal side of it, its roots that exist in every human person. Zangetsu is Ichigo's emotions to protect and to rebuild. Its part of Ichigo that wants to NOT be that crying boy who let his mother die and embodies his most noble sides. Tensa is Ichigo's self-preservation and confidence. Its the selfish part of Ichigo that enjoys having that power, that enjoys being Ichigo and that gives Ichigo will to live and strive forward. Its in a sense the part of Ichigo that "gave birth" to the Zangetsu part as his emotions to protect came from his selfish wish to not be that boy, thus Tensa is younger Zangetsu representing the roots of that part of Ichigo's personality. In an essence, they all are Ichigo, an extreme representations of Ichigo's mind subconsciously governing different natures of Ichigo's power. Some of them have been eidolons of people Ichigo met (like mind-Zaraki) while other are composite psychological representations of his personality. Some of them become more prominent when Ichigo actively tries to repress them(Hichigo) in similar way the repressed personalities manifest in multiple personality disorder cases. And In a sense, making peace with those parts allowed them all to BE Ichigo after FGT training and metaphorically(not physically since they all are Ichigo) he lost them all upon loosing his powers, thus the misery and the desperation of that little child trying to regain it all. |
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| I've been reading Bleach recently, I want to get up to date with it. Currently I am up to chapter 320. When does it supposedly get bad? I have heard it's been getting a lot better recently. |
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Stunfisk said: I've been reading Bleach recently, I want to get up to date with it. Currently I am up to chapter 320. When does it supposedly get bad? I have heard it's been getting a lot better recently. According to the people who say it got bad, you are already a few dozen chapters past that point. |
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Fai said: KazukiUchiha said: Fai said: KazukiUchiha said: Hypno-girl said: KazukiUchiha said: When Ichigo was training with Urahara. Urahara said if the things eating his soul chain reaches his chest, he will become a hollow. When they did reach his chest, he started to transform into a hollow. But through pure willpower and the power within him, Ichigo suppressed the hollow energy trying to take him over, thus bringing Hollow Ichigo into the world from that suppressed energy. That's you making too much assumption. Yes Ichigo would have turned into a hollow but it has nothing to do with Hollow Ichigo. Ichigo had shinigami power even before he met Rukia as it was stated that it was his power that drew most of Rukia's power when she meant to give him a little. So that mean that Zangetsu dweeled inside of Ichigo since before the manga even started which in return mean that Hollow Ichigo dweeled inside of Ichigo before the manga even started as Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are but one entity : Ichigo's power. I think you are also making too much assumption. I am starting to think this about you as well because you keep saying that Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo are both one, Which is correct because they have both said this in the Manga. BUT I think they were not one from the very start. I think they BECAME one after the training with Urahara, when Ichigo awakened Zangetsu. This leads me to believe that he will not have Hollow Powers any longer. But we will both have to see. What part of Hichigo Tensa and Zangetsu are different parts of Ichigo's id did you NOT get? They all are Ichigo and have always been in him. So your saying Hollow Ichigo has always been dormant in Ichigo since birth, and did not grow to power and become active until the time Ichigo released his Shikai??? Hichigo is Ichigo's more animalistic sides, lust for power, lust for the heat of battle, etc. Mind-Zaraki has been a more-primal side of it, its roots that exist in every human person. Zangetsu is Ichigo's emotions to protect and to rebuild. Its part of Ichigo that wants to NOT be that crying boy who let his mother die and embodies his most noble sides. Tensa is Ichigo's self-preservation and confidence. Its the selfish part of Ichigo that enjoys having that power, that enjoys being Ichigo and that gives Ichigo will to live and strive forward. Its in a sense the part of Ichigo that "gave birth" to the Zangetsu part as his emotions to protect came from his selfish wish to not be that boy, thus Tensa is younger Zangetsu representing the roots of that part of Ichigo's personality. In an essence, they all are Ichigo, an extreme representations of Ichigo's mind subconsciously governing different natures of Ichigo's power. Some of them have been eidolons of people Ichigo met (like mind-Zaraki) while other are composite psychological representations of his personality. Some of them become more prominent when Ichigo actively tries to repress them(Hichigo) in similar way the repressed personalities manifest in multiple personality disorder cases. And In a sense, making peace with those parts allowed them all to BE Ichigo after FGT training and metaphorically(not physically since they all are Ichigo) he lost them all upon loosing his powers, thus the misery and the desperation of that little child trying to regain it all. Pretty much this. Ichigo do not have shinigami and hollow power. He got one power, an undissolvable power that combine the characteristic of both hollow and shinigami. I guess that trying to make my argument more sensical than some people is trouble so I will only refute people's arguement, that way it'll be much less :effort: When Ichigo trained with Urahara and was sent in the hole, when he was about to turn into a hollow he awakened the enterity of his power. Forget Urahara cutting his soul chain, it was only to put him in a danger state so that he would awaken his power, the reason he appeared with a mask was because he had hollow related attribute in his power since the very start. The reason why the mask was in a not developed, simple state was because Ichigo's power was still in it's first state, he could not even shikai at this point in time. Turning into a hollow do not make anyone go through the process of hollowfication, lets forget having hollow power of that caliber. It require a much better developed processus as Aizen took many years to found a way to use hollowfication on some people, also it is obviously not something done naturally as the barrier between shinigami and hollow was said since end of SS arc to be something hardly breakable even with science I hope this was clear enough, you can't just say that Ichigo gained hollow power that fused with his already dormant shinigami power when he almost transformed in a hollow because this is actually implying that the boundary between shinigami and hollow could naturally be broken when it is not the case. Aizen researched a way to break through it because it wasn't naturally breakable, he needed to rely on the science of this world to find a way to do it. Now I guess everyone would agree that if he did not gain 'hollow power' through his training with Urahara then he got it before the manga even started, hence what I've been saying since the beginning. |
AlycenAug 14, 2011 9:17 PM
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| Such a Déja vu~ There's too much things for me to be overjoyed :DD I'm so glad that Rukia is back and she even has new hairstyle which I love. I missed her so much~ I was so glad that Ichigo no longer wears that lame outfit I almost cried T_T |
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| Finally, his Shinigami powers are back! |
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| I got tears into my Eyes,I LOVE RUKIAAAAA!!!! Welcome Back Queenn!!!! |
| Damn, Ichigo fucking cried. f Don't worry Rukia is back! New Shinigami outfit too, Zangetsu looks wider, way wider now. |
| --AbiSa-- |
| Volume 52 was weird, it felt nothing like Bleach and I still have no clue where Kubo wanna get with this new arc. This Fullbringer stuff feels so forced.. |
| all i can say is INCREDIBLE, what a plot twist in the last chapter. and rukia shows up to save him oh my god ichiruki we on top !! their bond is everything >> |
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