Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari Episode 7 Discussion

Cleckeroo said:


Well you said you liked the 1st episode right? So it succeeds. The following episodes are still interesting but not the most impactful like episode 1 and episode 4 in my opinion. You don't get the results that early you have to wait for 1 week every episode which really painful.

2ego said:


EVERY episode past the 1st one was unenjoyable for me, so no, it doesn't succeed.

2ego said:


EVERY episode past the 1st one was unenjoyable for me, so no, it doesn't succeed.

Cleckeroo said:


Like I said in my previous comment I'm not stopping you from dropping it. I simply cleared your misunderstanding in the series.

Piece of advice, in your 1st post in this discussion it really offended me because calling us fans "braindead", you're being stereotypical ( I don't know if this word exists ). You're post is attacking us fans and the people who likes the show. Next time don't do that, there is a limit for freedom of speech.

2ego said:


Those whom rate it 10 definitely are, unfortunately I don't take that back, since in reality there are many shows far better, yet it's rated as one of the best, which makes me absolutely ABSOLUTELY furious.

Cleckeroo said:


I'm one of those who rates this as 10.
I don't want to argue with you in this one because this topic is now subjective. It will be a waste time. I also gave 10 to shows like Log horizon, NGNL and Gate. Also I don't compare shows with different main genre, like comparing isekai to different main genre.

Well I only expect that this series to be rated 8.0 -7.5, I was shocked yet happy because it's really appreciate by many fans. I know that this series will be bashed by people like you who expect more after the 1st episode. But it's really offending because not everyone has the same taste as you. Btw I don't like HxH sorry.

2ego said:


Anime is very subjective, but objectivity partakes in the process as well. If a show is objectively good, flawless, has a great story, it doesn't make it enjoyable, thus both are necessary factors that have to be in.

veridiancity said:
To stay on discussion, I do have a valid criticism of this show and that's most of the supporting cast are caricature of some sort. Mainly the other 3 heroes seem to be devoid of common sense and are only there to make the shieldbro look good. I do hope they get development as the story progresses.

SSL443 said:

You're not wrong. I devised a little game to illustrate this. Assembled below are some of the lines spoken by the three heroes in the first episode. See if you can figure out which line is spoken by which character.

I tried to pick the lines that show the most characterization without giving away who said them based on details of the plot. I also didn't include lines that were too generic to be identifiable. It will be pretty obvious who spoke some of these, others will not be so apparent.

This should also be a pretty big clue that characterization of the three heroes is very thin during this episode, which I believe contributes to how contrived their reaction to the rape accusation appears. Between the three of them, these guys have barely 100 individual lines of dialogue in the double length first episode.

2ego said:


I'm not mad at all that people like, as I said in my first post the sole thing I'm complaining about is THE RATING, you can like it or whatever but it doesn't deserve #100.

"the post that he responded to wasn't attacking him at all." Yes, you are, do I need to quote your previous posts? Or are you yet again will attempt to manipulate everyone as you're the type of person to do so?

"says that I'm a whiny bitch when I call him out for insults." I clearly fucking told you, I'm allowed to say that, I will judge your obnoxious behavior as much as I'd like to, "dOn'T dIcTaTe mE!!!!1"

"says to stop attacking him for not liking the show." Yes, fucking stop.

Demyx_IX said:
I feel like one of the unfortunate things about the series as a whole, is that it's focused only on Naofumi, I wouldn't have minded something Game of Thrones like where it jumped between all 4 through different parts of their journey and then focused on Naofumi during the waves and other major fights.

2ego said:


People kept saying how dark it is and will get, so I had my expectations set on that. Also no, I don't think that his reactions to everyone being like that are corny, his reactions are justified fine, the corny part is that EVERYONE is acting nonsensically, as if they're Devils or something, that's not how world works, nobody would act like that-- it's absurd, characters feel empty, as if personalities are not implemented. I would go with the term "edgy," but apparently people overuse it, thus I will say that simply the drama in this is really forced, making it silly.

papsoshea said:
The irony of the fans. All last week saying there is no harem vibes, zero, but this episode had all the tropes!

Raphtalia1 said:
forced dramas of course not, you can't judge this event just by watching 7 episodes, be patient in the next episode there will be a dark tragedy

papsoshea said:
Yeah and? I already know where this is heading, the series is a harem and we're seeing the groundwork. I already know this because I peeked at the source. Many claimed that it has none of that but we saw it last episode and this episode. What we saw here is harem 101. Is that all you got? Lol, the number of people that claimed it isn't like all the other isekai was unreal when it's exactly just like other isekai. The fact that these tropes are here is laughable.

mecegirl said:


I've read the manga so I know that the next episode will be good. Its actually my favorite part of the manga because it digs a bit deeper into the power dynamics of the trio. That being said....nah. 7 episodes. 7...like cut the shit. That's a decent amount of run time. Sure it might get a bit better but why should it matter if its lost a viewer? Let that viewer leave in peace. They may wonder back later but damn.


Yes waiting a few episodes in to determine if you like a show is valid. But at this rate I feel like folks will be deflecting criticism well into the shows run time. We will be at the end of a season and folks will be like "It gets better in the next arc! Just be patient and wait till the second season!"

Cleckeroo said:


I deflect criticism when they misunderstand something in the series like why the Kingdom hates the shield hero or why Rapthalia gets matured after 1 episode. I saw many of those in the forums for like 5 weeks.

But if that person just doesn't like the anime itself, then I will recommend to him/her to drop the series, because it doesn't make sense to watch a show that is not suited for your taste. I actually did that to HxH, dropped it after the Hunter exam arc, it's just not my cup of tea.

papsoshea said:
Yeah and? I already know where this is heading, the series is a harem and we're seeing the groundwork. I already know this because I peeked at the source. Many claimed that it has none of that but we saw it last episode and this episode. What we saw here is harem 101. Is that all you got? Lol, the number of people that claimed it isn't like all the other isekai was unreal when it's exactly just like other isekai. The fact that these tropes are here is laughable.

mecegirl said:


Anything dealing with spoilers is not worth defending. So Raphtalia's growth was explained in short order. But the Kingdom's hate has yet to be explained and that's gonna bother some people but it doesn't have to. IMO not being more upfront with the reasons for the Kingdom's hate is a flaw in the writing simply because it causes more confusion than necessary. Like we have had to delve into spoiler tags just to talk people into sticking with the story. Or point out super minute foreshadowing just to explain it. All that for a reason that makes 100% sense and wouldn't have ruined the flow of the story if it were more explicit.



But yeah we all have our tastes. I wasn't a big fan of HxH either...And no matter how many times my roommate brings it up I don't like Eyeshield 21. I've tried, it just isn't the sports anime for me.

Cleckeroo said:




It's not really lazy writing in my opinion because the author gave a deeper explanation for the hate and she/he made an arc prior to that which is good.

Btw the false accusation and the hate is all necessary because of how it impacts Naofumi's character, remember Naofumi is not like this before the accusation.

Cleckeroo said:
It's not really lazy writing in my opinion because the author gave a deeper explanation for the hate and she/he made an arc prior to that which is good.

Cleckeroo said:
Btw the false accusation and the hate is all necessary because of how it impacts Naofumi's character, remember Naofumi is not like this before the accusation.

mecegirl said:


You aren't talking to someone who is only an anime watcher, so there is no need to remind me of anything.

Look at the confusion some are having just from watching the anime. Think about the times you have had to clarify things. Or remind people of little details you picked up. But the thing is you already know what is going to happen, so of course you picked up those details. And that is a flaw. It shouldn't required prior knowledge to enjoy the ride. None of what is going on is that complicated. Or needs to be hidden, or revealed bit by bit. All revealing more of the antagonists motivations up front does is make them better villains.

SSL443 said:

The problem is that not only is the reason for the hate withheld, but there is no explanation of why it is such a big secret. So really, there are two layers of questionable misdirection. That's not laziness, it's an inability to translate the concept of the story into a coherent narrative that keeps the audience informed of what is happening without revealing too much too fast.


Yeah, about that. So Naofumi gets one false accusation levelled at him, and he turns into a pessmimistic, dour, sourpuss, filled with hate and resentment. Even though he gets off relatively easy, considering that he should have been executed on the spot. And he stays that way even though his situation has seen vast improvement since episode 4. He has found a way to make a lucrative living, gained devoted and powerful allies, and is gradually winning the hearts and minds of the populace with minimal effort.

Meanwhile Raphtalia suffered a highly traumatic childhood, including watching her parents die, being captured, enslaved, and then tortured by a sadistic owner. But within the course of a week she is basically a new character and moreover wants the Naofumi D.

Point being, it feels like the story is keeping Naofumi in a negative frame of mind for the sake of the plot, whereas Raphtalia went in the opposite direction, also just for the sake of the plot. I think the writing is not so much lazy as poorly executed. There are a lot of pieces of story floating around that have potential, but they are jammed together instead of fitted neatly.

SSL443 said:

The problem is that not only is the reason for the hate withheld, but there is no explanation of why it is such a big secret. So really, there are two layers of questionable misdirection. That's not laziness, it's an inability to translate the concept of the story into a coherent narrative that keeps the audience informed of what is happening without revealing too much too fast.


Yeah, about that. So Naofumi gets one false accusation levelled at him, and he turns into a pessmimistic, dour, sourpuss, filled with hate and resentment. Even though he gets off relatively easy, considering that he should have been executed on the spot. And he stays that way even though his situation has seen vast improvement since episode 4. He has found a way to make a lucrative living, gained devoted and powerful allies, and is gradually winning the hearts and minds of the populace with minimal effort.

Meanwhile Raphtalia suffered a highly traumatic childhood, including watching her parents die, being captured, enslaved, and then tortured by a sadistic owner. But within the course of a week she is basically a new character and moreover wants the Naofumi D.

Point being, it feels like the story is keeping Naofumi in a negative frame of mind for the sake of the plot, whereas Raphtalia went in the opposite direction, also just for the sake of the plot. I think the writing is not so much lazy as poorly executed. There are a lot of pieces of story floating around that have potential, but they are jammed together instead of fitted neatly.

veridiancity said:
Naofumi didn't get off easy, certainly not by choice. He's one of the 4 that can stop the wave and from his perspective he is just being used by the kingdom. He's filled with resentment but every now and then his inherent goodness still shines through.

veridiancity said:
Naofumi is cynical and chooses to be pragmatic with his dealings. Author could just have easily made him into a generic happy go lucky shounen MC, is this what you would have preferred?

veridiancity said:
He doesn't win the heart and minds of people with ease, relative to the other 3 heroes lack of effort, he had to actually put in work for said results. He would have been worshipped as a hero like the other 3 if it were truly minimal effort.

veridiancity said:
Raphtalia had a rough life up to the time she met Naofumi, who gave her a reason to live. There's also influence from hearing good tales about the shield hero from her parents growing up. Yeah you could argue that its classic stockholm syndrome to which lets agree to disagree. I see this as Raphtalia forming her own opinion on Naofumi after being with him through his journey.

Cleckeroo said:
I think that's a smart move from the author because the more you held the reason the more curious the audience will be in my opinion.

veridiancity said:
I consider this as the upgraded version of the old Raphtalia before the events of wave 1 where her parents died, with the help of Naofumi he unitentionally heal Raphtalia mentally with his good treatment to her. To be honest I'm surprised when Raphtalia's personalty changed or rather her personality going back, she's a strong minded girl. I already assume that's the case after I finished volume 2 of the LN waaay back, and it turned out I was right.

veridiancity said:
Edited: Naofumi didn't gain the people's trust that easily he go through some hardships before he can do things that he does now, like learning medicine, finding new comrades, defeating monsters while being hated everyone in the kingdom. Yeah it looked easy but if you look at the back end it's hard.

SSL443 said:

He got of relatively easy compared to guaranteed being executed under the law.


That's what he did. We have no backstory until this one event turns him into the world's biggest cynic.


He burns some skeletons and dumps juice on a plant, and the people of those towns now love him. Considering that a significant part of the populationit's no sweat, especially considering how his shield can apparently do whatever the fuck the plot needs it to.


You're missing the point. The contrast is that Raphtalia recovers her positive outlook MUCH faster than Naofumi despite having gone through a MUCH more traumatic and demoralizing experience. She was physically and mentally broken when she was introduced to the story. It's not consistent.


The problem is that not only is the reason for the hate withheld, but there is no explanation of why it is such a big secret. So really, there are two layers of questionable misdirection. That's not laziness, it's an inability to translate the concept of the story into a coherent narrative that keeps the audience informed of what is happening without revealing too much too fast.

Without the proper exposition the only thing I'm curious about is why people are acting so unreasonably. If we understood that people had a specific reason for hating the shield hero, their behavior would be reasonable; even if the beliefs were erroneous it would at least be possible to understand the motivation.


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Yes, how horrible, everyone hates him. Why should he care? We don't see much effect of that hate this far into the story.

As for all the "work" he's done; as far as I can tell, he just dumps junk in his shield and gets magical asspull abilities. Not really seeing the hardship involved.

Cleckeroo said:
Between episodes 2-3 I think, it's hinted that the Shield hero is the hero for Demi humans so it's reasonable because the country is racist against Demi Humans.

Also if you notice this series has many foreshadowing of future event which is exciting in my opinion.

If you compare the situation of the other heroes to Naofumi, you know Naofumi has a hard time and he works hard to get what he is now unlike those other heroes.

SSL443 said:

He got of relatively easy compared to guaranteed being executed under the law.

SSL443 said:

That's what he did. We have no backstory until this one event turns him into the world's biggest cynic.

SSL443 said:

He burns some skeletons and dumps juice on a plant, and the people of those towns now love him. Considering that a significant part of the populationit's no sweat, especially considering how his shield can apparently do whatever the fuck the plot needs it to.

SSL443 said:

You're missing the point. The contrast is that Raphtalia recovers her positive outlook MUCH faster than Naofumi despite having gone through a MUCH more traumatic and demoralizing experience. She was physically and mentally broken when she was introduced to the story. It's not consistent.

hystar said:


It's pointless, if you think this is necessary then I think we can have 100 more episodes of these stupid side stories about how people set him up stupidly just to let him have all the glory in return. It was so easy too this time because his abilities are the perfect(if not only) answer to a random seed created by random legends(there's also no follow up story about it), the chest is also supposed to be sealed, so how does the princess know about this seed? how she knows about this seed but not know it's a bad one? how did she figure out how to break the seal? It's just a shallow side story and the onsen part is just fan service. And I'm not even discussing about other shitty plots of the anime, like the world ending waves of monsters, but now the entire planet is a safe and peaceful place for travelling and trading on a carriage...

This episode is horrible, this anime is horrible, the characters are terrible because everything is shallow and forced.

veridiancity said:


What could they have done otherwise? They still need him to fight off the wave. How would YOU have written this part of the story?



And? That's just his reaction to said event. He's not your typical hero with an unbreakable will (that'd would be more Raphtalia trait). He's flawed and he lashes out at the world instead of choosing to take it in stride.



The town was grateful for his action, they witnessed first hand what the shield hero did, that seems like a logical conclusion to me. Furthermore his reputation as the holy bird savior were already spreading.

Yeah, it seems OP how he just destroyed that plant, no argument there. I just attribute it to him to constantly playing around with the menu and crafting which was something he had to do to gain an edge. The other heroes could probably do it too if they weren't up on their high horses, then again, they likely could have just slain it without resorting to pots.



Everyone handles trauma differently. Maybe because of how Demi-Humans were always treated, they are just naturally more resilient? Whereas Naofumi up to being summoned was just a normal NEET who reads LN and leeches off his parents money (I think, could be wrong here)

The rest you've quoted the wrong person so I'll skip those.

Cleckeroo said:


Yeah hahaha I was wondering about that. Thanks guys for the wonderful discussion :) (no sarcasm intended) I really enjoy it and let's look forward for the next episode.

I just watched the PV of episode 8 and it's awesome.

SSL443 said:

In the flashback it mentions that a past Shield Hero was kind to demi-humans. That's it.

It really doesn't have much foreshadowing, especially not of inexplicable plot details.

Yes, his situation is more difficult than the other heroes, it's not that difficult in the scheme of things. Especially nowhere near difficult enough to justify him being a petty asshole at this point. It's just the story needs him to be an edgelord, so that's what he is.

veridiancity said:
What could they have done otherwise? They still need him to fight off the wave. How would YOU have written this part of the story?

veridiancity said:
And? That's just his reaction to said event. He's not your typical hero with an unbreakable will (that'd would be more Raphtalia trait). He's flawed and he lashes out at the world instead of choosing to take it in stride.

veridiancity said:
The town was grateful for his action, they witnessed first hand what the shield hero did, that seems like a logical conclusion to me. Furthermore his reputation as the holy bird savior were already spreading.

veridiancity said:
Yeah, it seems OP how he just destroyed that plant, no argument there. I just attribute it to him to constantly playing around with the menu and crafting which was something he had to do to gain an edge. The other heroes could probably do it too if they weren't up on their high horses, then again, they likely could have just slain it without resorting to pots.

veridiancity said:
Everyone handles trauma differently. Maybe because of how Demi-Humans were always treated, they are just naturally more resilient? Whereas Naofumi up to being summoned was just a normal NEET who reads LN and leeches off his parents money (I think, could be wrong here)

hystar said:


TBF all they need to do is to level a few thousand demi-humans and they'd be fine without any heroes. Or capture more of those level 75 beasts and release them during the waves, I'm sure there are higher level ones somewhere.

Cleckeroo said:
I disagree this one it has many foreshadowing than you thought like the Queen, on why Filo is the Queen of the Flock, the other shields, the heroes' activity and soon we get more of that.

SSL443 said:

Not sure how any of this is foreshadowing.

The only actual foreshadowing I've noticed is the setup of the seed leading to the plant fuck-up. Which I already pointed out as being effective and an example of writing that was actually good.

hystar said:


This world that is supposed to be getting world ending waves of monsters but is now a peaceful and relax place where the hero have so much time on hand to play racehorse, play trademaster, and the princess with all the info now suddenly want to 'aid' a specific hero to become king, only to set up nicely for Naofumi(yet again) to clean up the mess, EASILY because it's somehow his shield is the only good answer to the freaking random plant created by random legends, the best is there's time for some onsen shit, and the 2 girls spending a whole day to buy a freaking hammer.

How this anime can get 8.5 ratings is beyond me, the base story and the potential is there for that kind of ratings, but ever since the Princess' agenda against him it's been down hill, this will end up being one of the worst isekais I've ever watched, and not one comes close to this bad.

hystar said:
Oh we need the shield hero the fight off the waves, waves that are basically not coming for a month, but let's shit on him and make things more difficult for him to do his things which will eventually save us. Between the waves this place is as chillax as possible, it's so chill that there's time for adults to act like complete idiots/kids trying to set up a hero for wrong doings only to fail time and again completely. Like seriously these plots are like watching a 3 yr old failing over and over again and a 6 yr old trying to claim glory of being better than a 3 yr old without lifting a finger(he literally just poured some potions on the floor).

SSL443 said:

I wouldn't write it differently. I'm pointing out that he escaped the possibilty of being executed on the spot. Pretty sure that would have been worse than his current situation.


Yeah of course. Why is he still so salty now? Because we need to have maximum edge and melodrama to justify the curse plotline.


Exactly my point.


"Resorting" to pots? Who wouldn't want to just spray Roundup on an evil plant? Much easier than having to wack it with a sword or whatever.


But it's not even the same level of trauma. Just seems very convenient to me.

Also, the fact that you're having to posit this head-cannon to explain the plot suggests to me that the story is not doing its job.

hystar said:


Every anime has flaws, but this one is so inconsistent it's crazy how people can enjoy it still, especially on a thread about an episode filled with filler stuffs and harem fan service.

Spear hero granted land and increasing tax to unpayable amounts, challenged shield hero to a race(clearly not happy even with proper reasoning), but then next episode goes through all the trouble to find a seed, break the seal, and plant it to help a SPECIFIC village. Oh and it happens so conveniently again that the shield hero comes to the rescue, on a trip to try and deliver pots, and also so conveniently his shield abilities made it effortless, literally just pour pots onto the floor.

Wow.... so much to enjoy about this anime. It's like a surprise because you don't know what other idiotic stories they will come up with next, every episode is filled with so much excitement, just to see more idiots trying to set up the shield hero only for him to bask in all the glory.

Edit: Why force people to leave a discussion? Are we only allowed to discuss about animes we give 10/10 ratings?

Also you tried to act like you are neutral and said this anime has flaws, but you rated it 10/10 like as if it's flawless.

hystar said:


Solved? Then I expect more nonsense. The fact that a hero was granted land and immediately increased tax to crazy amounts for mere villagers, only to go through all that trouble to find a seed, break the seal, plant it to help another village is just f-king dumb. There's absolutely zero consistencies in this anime it's ridiculous.

veridiancity said:
Whereas Naofumi up to being summoned was just a normal NEET who reads LN and leeches off his parents money (I think, could be wrong here)

The rest you've quoted the wrong person so I'll skip those.

Aniteku said:
Also find it kinda lame on how crits need to have all the info given to them to figure out each episode like they never saw mystery in an anime before.

hystar said:


Super satisfying? What because an idiot character doing mindless things is now getting the punishment she deserves? Also, I can't assume anything but you can? What is this hypocrisy? And you can reply to my questions/comment but I can't? Why?

I'm lost.

hystar said:


I'm asking him a simple question because I'm curious, I have no intention to ask anyone to join me or to hate this anime, I just can't understand people are hating logic more than the inconsistencies of the anime.

You have no counter points so you turn it into some personal thing and throw half insults/sarcastic remarks. Is this allowed here?