Macross Δ Episode 1 Discussion

DJAzureSky said:

Stop fooling yourself. I've watched every single Macross, SDF, DYRL, Plus (both versions), 7, Dynamite 7, Zero, F, F movies.

Delta is just following the popular JP music trends (which is an indicator of you know, Macross not being made for Western audiences, so you criticisms literally hold no weight) and it's still using the elements that make Macross, Macross.

The three elements that make Macross are a Love Triangle, VFs, and music.

ZeroG said:


so if i put Love Triangle, VFs, and music into a series that includes horror, pokemons, a lot of bloods and idols who become super sayans, i can call it Macross as well?

then what you say makes sense

the element that made macross in the 1982 was the wish to make an anime on giant spaceship that could be better than yamato
during the development they merged it with other concepts they were working on and macross was born
the "songs" had no real power in the real macross, they confused the enemy only cause they were naive
if they broadcasted you know "what" instead of a love song and a kiss scene, they would probably had won whith no effort

DJAzureSky said:

Hmm... I guess you really don't want to leave SDF and DYRL, do you?

I'm seeing SDF as part of the series as a whole, you're seeing the entire series as only being SDF and DYRL. I think I found the problem here.

audian said:
so... what is the actual title for eps 1?, and is eps 1 remake from the pre-air special with an extra footage??

ZeroG said:

i watched robotech, macross tv, dyrl, macross 2, macross plus, macross zero, macross f tv, macross f movies

i loved the character design of macross 7 cause is the same of many anime from the'90, but had not the stomach to watch that nosense were songs have magic powers

macross plus was cool, i just find disappointing that a song suddendly had the power to hypnotize the whole planet earth in few seconds

macross zero was cool, i just felt a bit confused cause the enemy was an angel from evangelion and songs suddendly had the power of talking to him

macross f was really cool, i was a bit disappointed cause songs were the only way to talk and hypnotize a race of space monsters

now in macross delta songs have magic powers? again?
cause the trend says that moe is power and macross is about moe and songs
yeah... super sayan idol who's able to win with a kamehamea against the macross cannon

my problem with macross is: the more power have a song, the less i like it
a song is a song
its power is not magic, or strength
its power is love and culture

and macross was a series about culture

DJAzureSky said:

...You really are just ignoring everything else about Macross and only focusing on the music...

Funny how you are completely wrong about Frontier's use of music. The Vajra were not hypnotized (Unless you count the Fold wave generators in the movies). They communicated with Ranka and Virus!Sheryl through the emotions in their songs. It's literally a more empathetic version of SDF's use. Instead of culture shock, they were communicating with Ranka's emotions in her songs since they didn't speak the same language.

ZeroG said:


vajira were not in a state that could be called hypnosis?
funny how they changed opinion on humans in the middle of a battle against them
if you did not noticed they were starting a genocide by warping on every planet colonized by humans
but few minutes later, thousand of them died when shielding frontier city from a macross gun
that's the power of translators like google

the one that ignores everything about macross is not me
music is just one of the problems, just one of the things that makes delta a joke

i mentioned the fact that macross army sends underaged girls on the frontline
let's say they have no choice, cause the only singers in all the galaxy that have the power to stop the zombie apocalypse are underaged
they must be really stupid to send those girls on the frontline instead of making them sing from the command bridge of their mightiest battleship

but they will win, cause the enemy tactician are even worse
they want to kill the idols, so they send a squad of vf in close combat with them...
bomb the city from the orbit with a macross cannon ?
bomb the city from the orbit with laser artillery ?
bomb the city from the orbit with a reflex missile ?
bomb the city from the orbit with an old, rusty nuke ?
nope, they are knight, so they engage in close combat

all that's left is to see VF equipped with rocket punches and beam sabers, but i guess is only matter of time

DJAzureSky said:

No the Vajra weren't in hypnosis because all they were doing was communicating with Ranka, since her immunity from the V-Type bacteria made her seem like she was one of them.

Also you're literally just jumping off the slippery slope. You're thinking of the worst possible outcomes without thinking. Then again, you're blind, so...

ZeroG said:

sure, im blind
vajira were not under mind control, they stopped a genocide and even changed their skin colors just cause they were asked to by Ranka
did you noticed a character named Grace O'Connor and what she did to the vajira queen?
maybe not, but im the blind one so i guess she was from another anime

im thinking of the worst possible outcome?
im just saying that the battle in this first episode had no sense from a tactical and logical point of view, unless the enemy cared of civilian casualities
if so, they would be forced to engage in close combat instead of bombing the area
but they were the one that started the destruction of the city in the first place, so... wtf

when in an anime i see something happen, i want to know why that happened
when i have the answer, i try to not forget it
that's why i get disappointed when in an anime these answers, these facts are later forgotten, ignored or changed so the story can go on

maybe that's the difference between us, and what makes you belive im blind
cause you either dont remember, or dont ask yourself questions when things happen

DJAzureSky said:
So you just weren't listening. The only thing that they didn't explain fully yet was how Hayate was able to control a 171 like it was the Work Destroid from the beginning of the episode.

audian said:
so... what is the actual title for eps 1?, and is eps 1 remake from the pre-air special with an extra footage??

Fai said:
@fst nice smear campaign attempt and flamebait. Now go back to fate fanboi threads and stay out of normal anime stuff. I have been with this website since it's inception and my "reputation" and knowledge precedes mere teens unable to deal with the fact that their beloved show was bad.



"EP0.89" was a preview version of Episode1. It was called Prologue on the Battlefield and it was basically unfinished version of EP1. Its a common thing in anime industry to do that.

Episode 1 is the broadcast version of that with a lot of changes and a different ending. It is called " Battlefield of Valkyries"

DJAzureSky said:


Wow, the condescension in this post. You're basically saying that it's impossible to be an older anime fan (I'm 26 by the way) and actually enjoy Delta. I love the Macross series, it just seems that people just want to treat Macross as if only SDF and DYRL exist, when Plus, 7, Zero, F and now Delta have just been ramping up the themes. It's still a pure Macross show.

ZeroG said:


bomb the city from the orbit with a macross cannon ?
bomb the city from the orbit with laser artillery ?
bomb the city from the orbit with a reflex missile ?
bomb the city from the orbit with an old, rusty nuke ?

WhatShtIsThis said:

And no, attacking the city from orbit in any way would incur the wraith of every goddamn military force in the galaxy. Once news gets out, NUNS HQ sends a fleet or two into the region, the richer people hires private military services like SMS, effectively making sure the knights won't have the luxury of hiding in the galactic equivalent of rural regions.
Remember, EARTH was glassed from orbit. Attacking a city from orbit is just going to make them put a bounty on your head.

joshua_mai said:
Do you people hate fun or what?
Watching this episodes give me the most fun I have for the long time. The music, the fight choreography, the characters dialogues...It's just massive pure fun.

joshua_mai said:
Do you people hate fun or what?
Watching this episodes give me the most fun I have for the long time. The music, the fight choreography, the characters dialogues...It's just massive pure fun.

Virtual_sk said:
Not exactly a great start to the story, but it was entertaining enough. Also it’s not surprising that people have taken very divisive stances; seems to happen for each TV sequel of the franchise. Personally I don’t share the same displeasure that many fellow fans have against it; still feels like Macross to me.

The essence is there, but if this somehow gets bad later on (hope not), it might be because of other issues and certainly not because some aesthetics, since those change in every iteration of the series.

ZeroG said:

Is not that me or others hate fun or hate moe characters, music, magical girls and comedies
The problem is that you cant produce an anime like "narutaru the shadow star" call it pokemon shadow and broadcast it as a part of pokemon franchise saying that it have all the elements of the first pokemon and they were just a little improved

ZeroG said:

Is not that me or others hate fun or hate moe characters, music, magical girls and comedies
The problem is that you cant produce an anime like "narutaru the shadow star" call it pokemon shadow and broadcast it as a part of pokemon franchise saying that it have all the elements of the first pokemon and they were just a little improved

DJAzureSky said:

Macross was never a super serious show though. Stop acting like it was.

ZeroG said:

@Fai with all the respect, teenage idols versus space vampires that sucked music instead of blood is the plot of Macross 7, the Macross franchise started a bit differently

RasberryKisses said:
Somebody halp i just can't stop listening to Ikenai BORDERLINE and Koi! HALATION THE WAR i love these so so much. All hail new Macross!

DJAzureSky said:

The idols don't have magical powers though. Their holographic outfits have been something that's been around since DYRL (remember the date scene? Or is your head so far up your ass you don't remember). The jet skirts are something Sheryl and later on Alto used in the movies. They also only are able to "control" the drones because of the field that the pilots in Delta squad sets up for them.

DJAzureSky said:

The idols don't have magical powers though. Their holographic outfits have been something that's been around since DYRL. The jet skirts are something Sheryl and later on Alto used in the movies. They also only are able to "control" the drones because of the field that the pilots in Delta squad sets up for them.

Fai said:
@fst nice smear campaign attempt and flamebait. Now go back to fate fanboi threads and stay out of normal anime stuff. I have been with this website since it's inception and my "reputation" and knowledge precedes mere teens unable to deal with the fact that their beloved show was bad.



"EP0.89" was a preview version of Episode1. It was called Prologue on the Battlefield and it was basically unfinished version of EP1. Its a common thing in anime industry to do that.

Episode 1 is the broadcast version of that with a lot of changes and a different ending. It is called " Battlefield of Valkyries"

ZeroG said:

If to you this is stupid, and an idol that gains magical powers when singing is normal, then ok
There is no point in discussing more
You wont change your opinion and i will do the same

End of the story

ZeroG said:

I guess mutual respect and refraining from offending others is something you dont understand, the same way you cant tell the difference between a sci fi and a magical girl show

Also im still able to tell the difference between an holo projector and a force field projector
Nothing bad in having a force field so light that a 16yo girl can wear it under a skimpy dress while she dances
The only problem is that a 20 tons plane builded with the same technology shoud have a force field 1000 times stronger and the weapons to penetrate its own field
so a girl wearing a mini force field that tries to distract a mecha like that, is literally dancing with the death
Yeah yeah, the force fields of the drones are being recharged by another mecha
This leads to more ridicolous technology problems, like having a macross sized battleship sending energy to the force fields of his fighters, making a close combat to a ship or military base impossibile for small units
Sorry, i should not really talk about topics so hard to understand with someone like you

Have fun watching this trendy fan service garbage that have the same name of a series i watched before you were born ;)

ZeroG said:

I did not changed subject dude
I was talking to another man
You must have serious understanding problems, cause i never said that macross had no fun parts and was always serious
i just said that macross was mainly serious, and much more serious than macross 7
The 3 zeltran spies were fun, goofy, but they also had a deep psycology
Not to mention that after the war they became peddlers and had not exactly an easy life

So i should admit im wrong on macross?
If fun scenes make macross a funny anime thats not that serious, i guess that elfen lied is the same as macross...

DJAzureSky said:

You're idealizing SDF way too hard that you're blind to the fact that this topic where I'm trying to tell you that Delta is a natural evolution of the elements of what make Macross.

You keep bringing up other anime to try and distract everyone from the fact you clearly do not know what you're talking about.

ZeroG said:

You misunderstand again
I just bring other anime as an example of what we were talking about
Is not to confuse or change topic

I say macross was serious cause had many adult and serious scenes

You say that was not that serious, cause of many funny moments

I say that the overall tone was serious, and that if some funny moments are that important, then elfen lied is a comedy as well, cause it had funny moments too

I clearly dont know how you cant understand

Fredorito said:
I disliked it a lot. The girl was ok and the song was catchy. I didn't saw the other Macross franchise but even without it the whole concept of this anime is for idol fetishism. Not to mention the bad use of violence art.

Elazul said:
It's really annoying to see how often people here voice their opinions as the absolute truth. People are different and perceive things differently; Liking or disliking this episode doesn't make anyone smarter, or a true macros fan for that matter. It all comes to personal taste, some fans are enjoying Delta's new aspects while others not. And I don't believe every new element presented in Delta takes part of the natural evolution of the franchise, it is simple what the writers/producers want to do with the franchise atm. Kawamori & Co. could have taken a thousand different approaches for Delta, but they did what they did, and while I am deeply dissatisfied with some of these changes, I respect they decision at least.

I already stated on this topic what I disliked about Delta. But it is just my opinion, and it does not make me better than anyone. Maybe Delta will become a masterpiece, maybe it will turn worse than Gundam Reconguista, who knows what future holds?

antonn said:
Macross has gone full idol.

ZeroG said:
@fst we will see what delta will become
But sorry, my opinion is that dancing idols in macross have no place on the frontlines
And to me thats already a big difference
If you want to cal it an evolution of the franchise, well ok

A last thing, if original macross had dancing idols like delta, and delta just fights like the original macross, i would defend the original battle idols concept and dislike a macross with just fights

I dislike when a story is changed, just that

DJAzureSky said:
Nothing has changed though. Macross is still that show about love triangles, mecha that can transform into fighters, and music.

ZeroG said:

then all mecha series with idols, love triangles and mecha can be called macross, no matter how funny or tragic can become

fst said:

THIS PART HAS NOT CHANGED
at least not significantly enough to be clear after 1 fucking episode. For fuck sake we don't even have a fucking love triangle yet and you're complaining that the tone is different when, in fact, we haven't yet seen enough if the series to realistically make that comparison anyways

ZeroG said:
@fst we will see what delta will become
But sorry, my opinion is that dancing idols in macross have no place on the frontlines
And to me thats already a big difference
If you want to cal it an evolution of the franchise, well ok