New
Yu x
Mikaela
62.8%
839
Akane
0.3%
4
Guren
1.0%
14
Shinoa
33.2%
444
Yoichi
0.6%
8
Kimizuki
0.4%
5
Mitsuba
1.3%
17
Asuramaru
0.4%
6
1,337 votes
Dec 28, 2015 12:34 PM
#251
Mel96 said: Serena_Wu said: What the-? Yes! Yes! Gay people always watch straight shows and series and see straight people everywhere but they don't bat an eye!Mel96 said: Serena_Wu said: Mel96 said: Serena_Wu said: kaorusan241 said: ErenxMikasa said: I'm not a fujoshi and Shinoa is the only girl (still alive) on that list. I don't like Shinoa but it's better than a yaoi ship. edit: I guess Mitsuba's there too. idk, I don't like tsunderes either. so basically, you're a homophobe. People toss that term around too much ... How is this even homophobic? It's their opinion right? There are fujoshits who would ship a gay ship with no chemistry over straight ships with chemistry. Because they said they don't even like Shinoa. I mean, if they said "I ship yuunoa. I like it better than mikayuu" that's perfectly fine. But they said the only reason they had to prefer yuunoa is so that a gay ship doesn't happen. That's both sexist and homophobic. And yes fujoshis can be homophobic/sexist too, although I don't really understand why that has to do with this. Okay, so straight girl. Gay girl has a crush on the straight girl and a straight guy also has a crush on her. The gay girl is obviously out of the question for her. Is she a homophobe? You can't expect a guy to like seeing two guys kissing when they're straight thats just ridiculous. Also the fujoshit part was just there since a bunch of fujoshis like to say that they don't like a yuri ship just bc its yuri and they tell straight boys this crap. "You can't expect a guy to like seeing two guys kissing when they're straight thats just ridiculous." <-What is this supposed to mean? There are straight guys who can see two men kissing or that they're fine with gays. If you can't stand seeing two people of the same sex in a relationship you're homophobic. That's what homophobia means :| The first part doesn't even make sense, if you're straight it's obvious that you won't have feelings for someone of the same sex but that has nothing to do with this. That didn't even make sense. About the fujoshi thing: that is homophobia too(if they can't stand at yuri). Same goes for straight guys who say they're not homophobic because they like yuri but they hate yaoi because it's gay. I don't even know what this person said about it but just bc you don't like something doesn't mean that you aren't okay with it. I don't like seeing straight couples in animes but I just don't care that much. Do you think gay people like straight animes? Not liking something is one thing but not standing at it is a completely different thing. "I don't like Shinoa but it's better than a yaoi ship" = Idek so long as I don't have to watch a show with canon gays. Ppl who aren't homophobic wouldn't mind. I can't really say that I don't bat an eye. If it was a show like owari no seraph and shinoa and yuu had better chemistry, I'd still prefer mikayuu or shinmitsu over it. I guess I'm a heterophobe if thats the logic you're going to use. |
Dec 28, 2015 12:41 PM
#252
Serena_Wu said: Chiibi said: H0nk4surina said: Shinoa just had a crush out of nowhere. How do you go from teasing to having a crush on them like?? The moments they have are cliche and in your face. Um....seriously!? People tease others BECAUSE they have a crush on them. Or is this the first time you've ever heard that? It isn't, but this isn't third grade. It doesn't have to be "third grade". Opposite sexes teasing each other is a staple of romance in fiction....since the dawn of time. |
Dec 31, 2015 2:23 PM
#253
Serena_Wu said: Mel96 said: Serena_Wu said: Mel96 said: Serena_Wu said: Mel96 said: Serena_Wu said: kaorusan241 said: ErenxMikasa said: I'm not a fujoshi and Shinoa is the only girl (still alive) on that list. I don't like Shinoa but it's better than a yaoi ship. edit: I guess Mitsuba's there too. idk, I don't like tsunderes either. so basically, you're a homophobe. People toss that term around too much ... How is this even homophobic? It's their opinion right? There are fujoshits who would ship a gay ship with no chemistry over straight ships with chemistry. Because they said they don't even like Shinoa. I mean, if they said "I ship yuunoa. I like it better than mikayuu" that's perfectly fine. But they said the only reason they had to prefer yuunoa is so that a gay ship doesn't happen. That's both sexist and homophobic. And yes fujoshis can be homophobic/sexist too, although I don't really understand why that has to do with this. Okay, so straight girl. Gay girl has a crush on the straight girl and a straight guy also has a crush on her. The gay girl is obviously out of the question for her. Is she a homophobe? You can't expect a guy to like seeing two guys kissing when they're straight thats just ridiculous. Also the fujoshit part was just there since a bunch of fujoshis like to say that they don't like a yuri ship just bc its yuri and they tell straight boys this crap. "You can't expect a guy to like seeing two guys kissing when they're straight thats just ridiculous." <-What is this supposed to mean? There are straight guys who can see two men kissing or that they're fine with gays. If you can't stand seeing two people of the same sex in a relationship you're homophobic. That's what homophobia means :| The first part doesn't even make sense, if you're straight it's obvious that you won't have feelings for someone of the same sex but that has nothing to do with this. That didn't even make sense. About the fujoshi thing: that is homophobia too(if they can't stand at yuri). Same goes for straight guys who say they're not homophobic because they like yuri but they hate yaoi because it's gay. I don't even know what this person said about it but just bc you don't like something doesn't mean that you aren't okay with it. I don't like seeing straight couples in animes but I just don't care that much. Do you think gay people like straight animes? Not liking something is one thing but not standing at it is a completely different thing. "I don't like Shinoa but it's better than a yaoi ship" = Idek so long as I don't have to watch a show with canon gays. Ppl who aren't homophobic wouldn't mind. I can't really say that I don't bat an eye. If it was a show like owari no seraph and shinoa and yuu had better chemistry, I'd still prefer mikayuu or shinmitsu over it. I guess I'm a heterophobe if thats the logic you're going to use. First of all, heterophobia doesn't exist. That term is extremely stupid. Just look at this society. Second, I know a lot of lgbt people(that includes me) who watch "straight" shows. I mean, they're everywhere. This society teaches us since we're born that "heterosexual is normal and homosexual is not". You said you'd still prefer mikayuu and yuumitsu, but saying "I would still ship this" and "I would prefer anything over this" is not the same thing. That person said they would prefer the mc to be with a character they don't even like over a gay couple. That's homophobic. Do your research. Not homophobic ppl simply ignore it. Like "whatever". But yeah, in the end, shipping something without chemistry is kind of... silly. I mean, it's okay, but really, shipping something only because of the gender is... you know... silly, because, usually, the point of shipping is that you like the couple's chemistry and dynamics. The main reason most people like mikayuu is because of their chemistry, not because they're boys, which is why the mikayuu fandom is so much bigger, in spite of the homophobic society we're living in. God, even people who never shipped homosexual ships or liked yaoi ship mikayuu. |
Mel96Dec 31, 2015 2:30 PM
Jan 2, 2016 2:19 PM
#254
Jan 3, 2016 8:54 PM
#255
Mel96 said: The main reason most people like mikayuu is because of their chemistry, not because they're boys, I respect your opinion, Mel.....but I have difficulty in believing this is "most" people. XD I've seen many fangirls with the mentality: YAOI >>>>>>> every other type of ship. I've had conversations like Me: .......why do you ship that ship? It's abuse....he doesn't respect him; all he does is rape him like a sex toy. Them: NO, IT'S YAOI, THEREFORE IT'S BETTER. I HATE HIS GIRLFRIEND. SHE SHOULD DIE. Me:.........wow, f*ck you. lol |
Jan 4, 2016 9:14 AM
#256
Chiibi said: I've seen many fangirls with the mentality: YAOI >>>>>>> every other type of ship. I've had conversations like Me: .......why do you ship that ship? It's abuse....he doesn't respect him; all he does is rape him like a sex toy. Them: NO, IT'S YAOI, THEREFORE IT'S BETTER. I HATE HIS GIRLFRIEND. SHE SHOULD DIE. Me:.........wow, f*ck you. lol Yeah, tbh, those people sadly exist. But that's not "heterophobia", that's misogyny :/ and they're mostly immature or younger girls. There's one good thing I realized about this fandom: even though there're a lot of people who hate Shinoa for "being in the way of mikayuu", I've yet to find a fanart or fanfic portraying Shinoa as an antagonist or being ignored. Rather, in all the mikayuu fanfics I've read, she's always a super important and great character? So that means the people who treat her and yuunoa in a bad way don't even write ffs or draw at all :/ they simply spread hate(such contribution to the fandom...). I've only found people in the fandom who like them because of their chemistry, but there will always be fujoshis who prefer it because they're both boys. I've yet to talk to them, though (I wouldn't like to tbh). But yeah, take this into account: I'm in the noragami fandom too, and the roles are reversed there: I ship yatori, and this is the most popular ship, even though it's a straight one. Then there's yatone, which is a gay ship, and is in the shadow of yatori. A lot of people who ship mikayuu ship yatori too, which I interpret as proof that they don't ship basing on gender. Then again I don't know about your experience with gay ships, but this is mine. It's such a disappointment to me to see that those who do what you said exist... but I don't think it's a majority. I mean, I've seen a lot of people who "ship" yuunoa only so that a gay ship doesn't become canon (which I don't even consider as yuunoa shippers tbh because they don't care about the ship, they just hate mikayuu) but I don't go and say it's a majority of your fandom because I didn't talk to every single yuunoa shipper out there to make statistics even though it's something I had to deal with a lot of times too... it would be unfair imo. |
Mel96Jan 4, 2016 9:52 AM
Jan 4, 2016 9:57 AM
#257
Jan 16, 2016 1:36 AM
#258
I seriously fucking hate all you yaoi lovers. Shinoa is the best.... |
Jan 16, 2016 10:53 AM
#259
TagMyBat said: I seriously fucking hate all you yaoi lovers. Shinoa is the best.... I love you too <3 Seriously though, aside from some stupid people who hate a female character because she 'gets' in the way of their fantasy, other can like or dislike her for reasons unrelated to pairings (or even reasons related to pairings if they don't like said pairing or the male character). But yeah, you sould like these 'yaoi lovers': you hate the 'yaoiz' and call forth the main heroine to defend your pairing :) |
Feb 21, 2016 9:26 AM
#261
Mel96 said: Chiibi said: I've seen many fangirls with the mentality: YAOI >>>>>>> every other type of ship. I've had conversations like Me: .......why do you ship that ship? It's abuse....he doesn't respect him; all he does is rape him like a sex toy. Them: NO, IT'S YAOI, THEREFORE IT'S BETTER. I HATE HIS GIRLFRIEND. SHE SHOULD DIE. Me:.........wow, f*ck you. lol Yeah, tbh, those people sadly exist. But that's not "heterophobia", that's misogyny :/ and they're mostly immature or younger girls. There's one good thing I realized about this fandom: even though there're a lot of people who hate Shinoa for "being in the way of mikayuu", I've yet to find a fanart or fanfic portraying Shinoa as an antagonist or being ignored. Rather, in all the mikayuu fanfics I've read, she's always a super important and great character? So that means the people who treat her and yuunoa in a bad way don't even write ffs or draw at all :/ they simply spread hate(such contribution to the fandom...). I've only found people in the fandom who like them because of their chemistry, but there will always be fujoshis who prefer it because they're both boys. I've yet to talk to them, though (I wouldn't like to tbh). But yeah, take this into account: I'm in the noragami fandom too, and the roles are reversed there: I ship yatori, and this is the most popular ship, even though it's a straight one. Then there's yatone, which is a gay ship, and is in the shadow of yatori. A lot of people who ship mikayuu ship yatori too, which I interpret as proof that they don't ship basing on gender. Then again I don't know about your experience with gay ships, but this is mine. It's such a disappointment to me to see that those who do what you said exist... but I don't think it's a majority. I mean, I've seen a lot of people who "ship" yuunoa only so that a gay ship doesn't become canon (which I don't even consider as yuunoa shippers tbh because they don't care about the ship, they just hate mikayuu) but I don't go and say it's a majority of your fandom because I didn't talk to every single yuunoa shipper out there to make statistics even though it's something I had to deal with a lot of times too... it would be unfair imo. Its been a while since I've been on this but that isn't their hate for women or females. Thats just thirteen year old girls being attracted to males and not females. So they want the ship. Also heterophobia is very real. It has nothing to do with the society, but if you want to bring that up, look at those fucking sjws. Liking isn't the equivalent of tolerating. They do have their reason for not liking a gay ship. Because they don't like seeing two guys kissing. They're not attracted to males. How is that homophobia? If it bothers them and they have the choice not to ship it, they won't. Yaoi fangirls are always saying shit like straight guys are so fragile and threatened by gay people, but they just don't like it. |
Feb 21, 2016 9:29 AM
#262
Guren x Yuu is OTP, anyone who disagress got shit taste. |
Feb 21, 2016 9:44 AM
#263
Mel96 said: Serena_Wu said: Mel96 said: Serena_Wu said: What the-? Yes! Yes! Gay people always watch straight shows and series and see straight people everywhere but they don't bat an eye!Mel96 said: Serena_Wu said: Mel96 said: Serena_Wu said: kaorusan241 said: ErenxMikasa said: I'm not a fujoshi and Shinoa is the only girl (still alive) on that list. I don't like Shinoa but it's better than a yaoi ship. edit: I guess Mitsuba's there too. idk, I don't like tsunderes either. so basically, you're a homophobe. People toss that term around too much ... How is this even homophobic? It's their opinion right? There are fujoshits who would ship a gay ship with no chemistry over straight ships with chemistry. Because they said they don't even like Shinoa. I mean, if they said "I ship yuunoa. I like it better than mikayuu" that's perfectly fine. But they said the only reason they had to prefer yuunoa is so that a gay ship doesn't happen. That's both sexist and homophobic. And yes fujoshis can be homophobic/sexist too, although I don't really understand why that has to do with this. Okay, so straight girl. Gay girl has a crush on the straight girl and a straight guy also has a crush on her. The gay girl is obviously out of the question for her. Is she a homophobe? You can't expect a guy to like seeing two guys kissing when they're straight thats just ridiculous. Also the fujoshit part was just there since a bunch of fujoshis like to say that they don't like a yuri ship just bc its yuri and they tell straight boys this crap. "You can't expect a guy to like seeing two guys kissing when they're straight thats just ridiculous." <-What is this supposed to mean? There are straight guys who can see two men kissing or that they're fine with gays. If you can't stand seeing two people of the same sex in a relationship you're homophobic. That's what homophobia means :| The first part doesn't even make sense, if you're straight it's obvious that you won't have feelings for someone of the same sex but that has nothing to do with this. That didn't even make sense. About the fujoshi thing: that is homophobia too(if they can't stand at yuri). Same goes for straight guys who say they're not homophobic because they like yuri but they hate yaoi because it's gay. I don't even know what this person said about it but just bc you don't like something doesn't mean that you aren't okay with it. I don't like seeing straight couples in animes but I just don't care that much. Do you think gay people like straight animes? Not liking something is one thing but not standing at it is a completely different thing. "I don't like Shinoa but it's better than a yaoi ship" = Idek so long as I don't have to watch a show with canon gays. Ppl who aren't homophobic wouldn't mind. I can't really say that I don't bat an eye. If it was a show like owari no seraph and shinoa and yuu had better chemistry, I'd still prefer mikayuu or shinmitsu over it. I guess I'm a heterophobe if thats the logic you're going to use. First of all, heterophobia doesn't exist. That term is extremely stupid. Just look at this society. Second, I know a lot of lgbt people(that includes me) who watch "straight" shows. I mean, they're everywhere. This society teaches us since we're born that "heterosexual is normal and homosexual is not". You said you'd still prefer mikayuu and yuumitsu, but saying "I would still ship this" and "I would prefer anything over this" is not the same thing. That person said they would prefer the mc to be with a character they don't even like over a gay couple. That's homophobic. Do your research. Not homophobic ppl simply ignore it. Like "whatever". But yeah, in the end, shipping something without chemistry is kind of... silly. I mean, it's okay, but really, shipping something only because of the gender is... you know... silly, because, usually, the point of shipping is that you like the couple's chemistry and dynamics. The main reason most people like mikayuu is because of their chemistry, not because they're boys, which is why the mikayuu fandom is so much bigger, in spite of the homophobic society we're living in. God, even people who never shipped homosexual ships or liked yaoi ship mikayuu. I don't give a shit about you being lgbt since it doesn't help your argument. If you wanted that to help your point it doesn't. I can just use my stance as a gay person and tell you I've never felt oppressed by society. If you haven't been on tumblr before, they treat straight people like fucking scum. If you live in 2016, you can see that most people in the new generations are actually trending this lgbt bullshit. I don't even like mikayuu (since its some cheesy romance I've seen countless times) but it's better than watching a guy and a girl kiss. I just feel uncomfortable watching it. Not everybody is as open as you. Maybe you're bi or pan. Then of course you would look at it that way. If you were gay, then idk. |
Feb 22, 2016 2:50 AM
#264
MikaYuu has won by far, but nice try ShinoaYuu shippers ;) |
Feb 22, 2016 11:08 AM
#265
lol, no one wants Guren x Yu? XD I voted for Mikaela only cuz I'm a sucker for pairings with childhood friendship, a nice history... and those two seek each other out like they are the very oxygen necessary for life. I started this show but now I'm a bit afraid cuz I can't see how this would end well... |
Feb 23, 2016 9:27 PM
#266
laketica said: lol, no one wants Guren x Yu? XD NOES!! They are father and son. >_< I just can't. If you haven't been on tumblr before, they treat straight people like fucking scum. Naw; you just gotta watch what you say. I'm on tumblr and have never been treated that way.......but I also keep my mouth shut when it comes to touchy subjects. Still, there are thousands of shippers on tumblr who ship straight couples. Really, there are a ton. When I post anything at all about Yuunoa or [insert popular anime/cartoon boyxgirl here] it gets LOTS of reblogs and likes. |
ChiibiFeb 23, 2016 9:40 PM
Feb 25, 2016 6:21 PM
#267
Feb 27, 2016 11:52 PM
#268
If I had to make a guess about what will happen in the end, then I'd say Yuu will romantically end up with nobody. There's just something about about the development about Yuu's character that makes me think he has no interest in romance. I know some people think that Yuu and Shinoa have a good chance of being together, but I don't see it. At first I did, especially after Guren asked Shinoa if she has fallen for Yuu, but that kind of died down after a while. Yuu seems to consider Shinoa to be on the same level as everyone on else on the squad. He really doesn't seem romantically interested in her, and I don't see him taking a romantic interest into Shinoa any time soon. I actually think Yuu and Mika have a better chance at ending romantically than Yuu and Shinoa. However, the odds of Yuu and Mika having a romantic relationship in the end is confusing. A lot of it will depend on when the manga will end. The later the manga ends, the more likely Yuu and Mika will become a romantic couple. The Pro-LGBT rights movement has been growing very quickly, and several years from now, having a gay couple as the main characters in a mainstream anime won't be a big deal. I can see Japan being a lot more LGBT inclusive if the Manga ends in a few years or even a couple years. I just don't know how much. Although besides that, I just think Yuu and Mika have more romantic undertones, and their relationship seems more developed and deeper. In fact, their relationship is a huge component of the story. If they were of the opposite sex, they'd most likely be a romantic couple. The two of them think about each other a lot and they mean a lot to each other. I know many people consider Yuu and Mika's relationship to be bromance, but I don't see it that way. For the record, they're not brothers, and if they do have a romantic relationship, it's not incest. For some odd reason, here in Western culture some of us consider Yuu and Mika to be siblings. I've read some of the Japanese discussions on Owari no Seraph, and the Japanese fans don't really think of them as brothers, especially compared to the people here. It's a culture thing, and the language barrier between Japanese and English doesn't help. Furthermore, the Japanese fans love Yuu and Mika together. I'd say most fans favor them romantically together, but I can't speak for the entire Japanese fandom since I'm not Japanese and I haven't read every single comment about Owari No Seraph from the Japanese fans. Overall, I think a lot of Japanese fans would be happy Yuu and Mika ending up together. There are some fans of Yuu and Shinoa, but it's not nearly as popular as Mika and Yuu. I know the author won't necessarily make something happen because it's popular, but the fans interpretation of the work may be what the author intended to happen. Maybe we're supposed to be rooting for Yuu and Mika to get together. Who knows? |
Feb 28, 2016 1:03 AM
#269
Honestly i just see yuu and mika's relationship as family since i mean your brother was jist turned intoa vamp the thing you hate the most in the world and you thought he was dead but woopty doo he's a blood sucking lively guy so how do i respond he's still my "FAMILY" yuu and mika both call each other that nothibg else while shinoa in yuu's coma stated "i think im falling for you" so like there we have a head cannon confession with mika we only get like what 3-5 scenes of him with yuu and it beats all oh idk 50 scenes of yuu x shinoa? It really pisses me of knowing most people only ship yuu and mika because they want guy on guy action dont get me wrong im not against it but like its annoying how people really are like that i ship yuu and shinoa because they have the most chemistry even when they dont need too like the time yuu went berserk seeing that one nobel drink shinoas blood I seriously see no romantic relationship between mika and yuu and to the people who say what about the neck bite mika gave to yuu Newsflash mika did that to krul too in a exact same way Like this Krul: slits her wrist to draw blood Yuu: slits his arm to draw blood Mika: ignores the clear wound and bites their neck Yuu&krul: *hug poor mika for enduring so much* Again im not hating its a great ship but its just more of a brother to brother relationship then a romantic one |
Feb 28, 2016 5:44 AM
#270
Yeah I love BL but Mika/Yuu seems undeniable. Their angst and chemistry is pretty good, I'd ship them even if they were M/F or F/F. I like Shinoa a lot but she's better with the tsundere blonde girl tbh. If Shinoa was an adult, I'd ship her with Guren, but their age gap is too big. |
Mar 1, 2016 4:59 PM
#271
CreamyNico said: Not necessarily true, there are lots of guys who are straight and don't dislike male x male relationships too because they are open minded enough. I know a lot of lesbian women who like yaoi, thus it doesn't have much to do with being attracted to the boys.Its been a while since I've been on this but that isn't their hate for women or females. Thats just thirteen year old girls being attracted to males and not females. So they want the ship. CreamyNico said: Heterophobia doesn't exist. Straight people will never have to endure the systematic oppression lgtb people do. And people who are simply tired of the typical straight romance aren't being heterophobic, if that's what you're saying.Also heterophobia is very real. It has nothing to do with the society, but if you want to bring that up, look at those fucking sjws. "Fucking sjws" really? Oh I'm so sorry people are mad about this society being so fucked up it's frustrating. They should probably just stay in their lanes and let the discrimination continue because oh god those minorities have nothing to complain about. CreamyNico said: You say "liking isn't the equivalent of tolerating" which is true, but when you tolerate something, you let it be, instead of being against it.Liking isn't the equivalent of tolerating. They do have their reason for not liking a gay ship. Because they don't like seeing two guys kissing. They're not attracted to males. How is that homophobia? If it bothers them and they have the choice not to ship it, they won't. Yaoi fangirls are always saying shit like straight guys are so fragile and threatened by gay people, but they just don't like it. You're just like "meh". Ex: I don't like gore so I simply ignore gore animes or gore scenes, instead of asking for people to remove it from a show. If you are sure about your sexuality it doesn't affect you, period. That's why they say straight boys are fragile, and it's not necessarily yaoi fangirls. Some people are just tired of homophobia but you just can't even compare. Another thing: I don't understand why people are talking about them kissing. The whole argument started because that person said they didn't want Yuumika to be canon, thus they shipped Yuu wish Shinoa, whom the person don't even like, instead. It's not even about them kissing. Just think about korrasami. CreamyNico said: Are you kidding me?I can just use my stance as a gay person and tell you I've never felt oppressed by society. If you haven't been on tumblr before, they treat straight people like fucking scum. Idk where you're from but I'm from a country where gay marriage is legal yet if you're lgtb you have to endure discrimination to the point that some people even destroyed one person's local because they were gay. Lgtb people barely ever have representation in the media When they do it's mostly for jokes... You must be extremely lucky :/ but that's it. I have tumblr and they don't talk about straight people, they talk about heteronormative people. They simply use the term that way. Honestly, how can you even compare that to what homophobic people do... suki_uzumaki said: Honestly i just see yuu and mika's relationship as family since i mean your brother was jist turned intoa vamp the thing you hate the most in the world and you thought he was dead but woopty doo he's a blood sucking lively guy so how do i respond he's still my "FAMILY" yuu and mika both call each other that nothibg else while shinoa in yuu's coma stated "i think im falling for you" so like there we have a head cannon confession with mika we only get like what 3-5 scenes of him with yuu and it beats all oh idk 50 scenes of yuu x shinoa? It really pisses me of knowing most people only ship yuu and mika because they want guy on guy action dont get me wrong im not against it but like its annoying how people really are like that i ship yuu and shinoa because they have the most chemistry even when they dont need too like the time yuu went berserk seeing that one nobel drink shinoas blood I seriously see no romantic relationship between mika and yuu and to the people who say what about the neck bite mika gave to yuu Newsflash mika did that to krul too in a exact same way Like this Krul: slits her wrist to draw blood Yuu: slits his arm to draw blood Mika: ignores the clear wound and bites their neck Yuu&krul: *hug poor mika for enduring so much* Again im not hating its a great ship but its just more of a brother to brother relationship then a romantic one 1st) Yuu calls everyone family. He called Shinoa family too, a lot of times. Shinoa's crush on Yuu is even doubted by herself, but I believe it's canon. Does that mean he feels the same? Nope. 2nd) If you saw 50 yuunoa scenes and 3-5 mikayuu ones I don't even know what anime you're watching... at least half of the plot is about Mika and Yuu. They even have an entire episode about them alone and the OnS valentine event in Japan was called "mikayuu" (later changed to "yuumika"...). 3rd) Most people ship Yuu and Mika because they have more scenes(even when they're not together they're thinking about each other most of the time) and their story is both heartbreaking and heartwarming, while Shinoa and Yuu have the typical girl meets boy trope and doesn't have as much... angst and charming? Don't ask me, people have their preferences. Not hating on yuunoa, I think it's a cute ship and their relationship is super funny and healthy, but a lot of people who never had gay ships before said mikayuu made them change their minds because of their chemistry and how attractive their story is. Even the openings and the first ending are about them, all the official art, etc. There's even serapuchi where... well, you should check is out yourself. Even Funimation likes mikayuu over any other ship, also some of the animators even made fanarts and headcanons, etc. 4th) While Mika and Krul stated they saw each other as mother/son more than twice in the manga, Mika and Yuu never once called each other brother. They only call each other family. Actually, in the english dub, Yuu calls the squad his "brothers and sisters", and leaves Mika in another section. 5th) Mika was so thirsty he bite Krul unconsciously and got shocked afterwards, pushing her off Which didn't happen with Yuu So it is something interesting that he choose to bite the neck instead of the wrist, because the contrast between the scenes is important. Plus Yuu didn't mind that at all... (This picture is from the official artbook) If you like their relationship as family it's perfectly fine. They are childhood friends so far. Same goes for Shinoa and Yuu. I like their relationship as friends and, so far, that's what they are. This is all about preferences, but don't dismiss our ship, please. Me_Hi said: If I had to make a guess about what will happen in the end, then I'd say Yuu will romantically end up with nobody. There's just something about about the development about Yuu's character that makes me think he has no interest in romance. I know some people think that Yuu and Shinoa have a good chance of being together, but I don't see it. At first I did, especially after Guren asked Shinoa if she has fallen for Yuu, but that kind of died down after a while. Yuu seems to consider Shinoa to be on the same level as everyone on else on the squad. He really doesn't seem romantically interested in her, and I don't see him taking a romantic interest into Shinoa any time soon. I actually think Yuu and Mika have a better chance at ending romantically than Yuu and Shinoa. However, the odds of Yuu and Mika having a romantic relationship in the end is confusing. A lot of it will depend on when the manga will end. The later the manga ends, the more likely Yuu and Mika will become a romantic couple. The Pro-LGBT rights movement has been growing very quickly, and several years from now, having a gay couple as the main characters in a mainstream anime won't be a big deal. I can see Japan being a lot more LGBT inclusive if the Manga ends in a few years or even a couple years. I just don't know how much. Although besides that, I just think Yuu and Mika have more romantic undertones, and their relationship seems more developed and deeper. In fact, their relationship is a huge component of the story. If they were of the opposite sex, they'd most likely be a romantic couple. The two of them think about each other a lot and they mean a lot to each other. I know many people consider Yuu and Mika's relationship to be bromance, but I don't see it that way. For the record, they're not brothers, and if they do have a romantic relationship, it's not incest. For some odd reason, here in Western culture some of us consider Yuu and Mika to be siblings. I've read some of the Japanese discussions on Owari no Seraph, and the Japanese fans don't really think of them as brothers, especially compared to the people here. It's a culture thing, and the language barrier between Japanese and English doesn't help. Furthermore, the Japanese fans love Yuu and Mika together. I'd say most fans favor them romantically together, but I can't speak for the entire Japanese fandom since I'm not Japanese and I haven't read every single comment about Owari No Seraph from the Japanese fans. Overall, I think a lot of Japanese fans would be happy Yuu and Mika ending up together. There are some fans of Yuu and Shinoa, but it's not nearly as popular as Mika and Yuu. I know the author won't necessarily make something happen because it's popular, but the fans interpretation of the work may be what the author intended to happen. Maybe we're supposed to be rooting for Yuu and Mika to get together. Who knows? Yeah, I don't think any ship will become canon in the end. According to a friend of mine, the yuunoa fandom is extremely small compared to the mikayuu fandom in the Japanese and Chinese fandoms (which explains the amount of mikayuu official art, merchandise, songs, etc). The difference is even bigger than in the western fandom... |
Mel96Mar 2, 2016 9:56 AM
Mar 2, 2016 9:42 AM
#272
Mel96 said: According to a friend of mine, the yuunoa fandom is extremely small compared to the mikayuu fandom in the Japanese and Chinese fandoms (which explains the amount of mikayuu official art, merchandise, songs, ect). The difference is even bigger than in the western fandom... That was my impression too after reading discussions in Japanase about this. There really isn't much of a debate about who Yuu should romantically end up with on Japanese discussions like there is here. At first I thought it was part of the culture, meaning the Japanese don't have these "ship wars" like they do here in Western culture. While that may be part of it, my impression is the Japanese (I don't know about the Chinese) mainly love Yuu and Mika as a couple. To them, Shinoa is barely an option as a love interest for Yuu if she is considered one. They do make fan works with Yuu and Shinoa, but overall the Japanese mostly supports Yuu and Mika. That doesn't guarantee Yuu and Mika will happen. However, it does show that the Japanese (and Chinese fans apparently) are open to it. Also, I don't see the series ending anytime soon, so if it ends many years from now, who knows? The LGBT may be tolerated a lot more in media when the manga ends years from now than it does right now. As of now, I think Yuu will end up with no one or his relationship with Mika will end up ambiguous. |
Mar 2, 2016 5:03 PM
#273
Mel96 said: CreamyNico said: Not necessarily true, there are lots of guys who are straight and don't dislike male x male relationships too because they are open minded enough. I know a lot of lesbian women who like yaoi, thus it doesn't have much to do with being attracted to the boys.Its been a while since I've been on this but that isn't their hate for women or females. Thats just thirteen year old girls being attracted to males and not females. So they want the ship. CreamyNico said: Heterophobia doesn't exist. Straight people will never have to endure the systematic oppression lgtb people do. And people who are simply tired of the typical straight romance aren't being heterophobic, if that's what you're saying.Also heterophobia is very real. It has nothing to do with the society, but if you want to bring that up, look at those fucking sjws. "Fucking sjws" really? Oh I'm so sorry people are mad about this society being so fucked up it's frustrating. They should probably just stay in their lanes and let the discrimination continue because oh god those minorities have nothing to complain about. CreamyNico said: You say "liking isn't the equivalent of tolerating" which is true, but when you tolerate something, you let it be, instead of being against it.Liking isn't the equivalent of tolerating. They do have their reason for not liking a gay ship. Because they don't like seeing two guys kissing. They're not attracted to males. How is that homophobia? If it bothers them and they have the choice not to ship it, they won't. Yaoi fangirls are always saying shit like straight guys are so fragile and threatened by gay people, but they just don't like it. You're just like "meh". Ex: I don't like gore so I simply ignore gore animes or gore scenes, instead of asking for people to remove it from a show. If you are sure about your sexuality it doesn't affect you, period. That's why they say straight boys are fragile, and it's not necessarily yaoi fangirls. Some people are just tired of homophobia but you just can't even compare. Another thing: I don't understand why people are talking about them kissing. The whole argument started because that person said they didn't want Yuumika to be canon, thus they shipped Yuu wish Shinoa, whom the person don't even like, instead. It's not even about them kissing. Just think about korrasami. CreamyNico said: Are you kidding me?I can just use my stance as a gay person and tell you I've never felt oppressed by society. If you haven't been on tumblr before, they treat straight people like fucking scum. Idk where you're from but I'm from a country where gay marriage is legal yet if you're lgtb you have to endure discrimination to the point that some people even destroyed one person's local because they were gay. Lgtb people barely ever have representation in the media When they do it's mostly for jokes... You must be extremely lucky :/ but that's it. I have tumblr and they don't talk about straight people, they talk about heteronormative people. They simply use the term that way. Honestly, how can you even compare that to what homophobic people do... suki_uzumaki said: Honestly i just see yuu and mika's relationship as family since i mean your brother was jist turned intoa vamp the thing you hate the most in the world and you thought he was dead but woopty doo he's a blood sucking lively guy so how do i respond he's still my "FAMILY" yuu and mika both call each other that nothibg else while shinoa in yuu's coma stated "i think im falling for you" so like there we have a head cannon confession with mika we only get like what 3-5 scenes of him with yuu and it beats all oh idk 50 scenes of yuu x shinoa? It really pisses me of knowing most people only ship yuu and mika because they want guy on guy action dont get me wrong im not against it but like its annoying how people really are like that i ship yuu and shinoa because they have the most chemistry even when they dont need too like the time yuu went berserk seeing that one nobel drink shinoas blood I seriously see no romantic relationship between mika and yuu and to the people who say what about the neck bite mika gave to yuu Newsflash mika did that to krul too in a exact same way Like this Krul: slits her wrist to draw blood Yuu: slits his arm to draw blood Mika: ignores the clear wound and bites their neck Yuu&krul: *hug poor mika for enduring so much* Again im not hating its a great ship but its just more of a brother to brother relationship then a romantic one 1st) Yuu calls everyone family. He called Shinoa family too, a lot of times. Shinoa's crush on Yuu is even doubted by herself, but I believe it's canon. Does that mean he feels the same? Nope. 2nd) If you saw 50 yuunoa scenes and 3-5 mikayuu ones I don't even know what anime you're watching... at least half of the plot is about Mika and Yuu. They even have an entire episode about them alone and the OnS valentine event in Japan was called "mikayuu" (later changed to "yuumika"...). 3rd) Most people ship Yuu and Mika because they have more scenes(even when they're not together they're thinking about each other most of the time) and their story is both heartbreaking and heartwarming, while Shinoa and Yuu have the typical girl meets boy trope and doesn't have as much... angst and charming? Don't ask me, people have their preferences. Not hating on yuunoa, I think it's a cute ship and their relationship is super funny and healthy, but a lot of people who never had gay ships before said mikayuu made them change their minds because of their chemistry and how attractive their story is. Even the openings and the first ending are about them, all the official art, etc. There's even serapuchi where... well, you should check is out yourself. Even Funimation likes mikayuu over any other ship, also some of the animators even made fanarts and headcanons, etc. 4th) While Mika and Krul stated they saw each other as mother/son more than twice in the manga, Mika and Yuu never once called each other brother. They only call each other family. Actually, in the english dub, Yuu calls the squad his "brothers and sisters", and leaves Mika in another section. 5th) Mika was so thirsty he bite Krul unconsciously and got shocked afterwards, pushing her off Which didn't happen with Yuu So it is something interesting that he choose to bite the neck instead of the wrist, because the contrast between the scenes is important. Plus Yuu didn't mind that at all... (This picture is from the official artbook) If you like their relationship as family it's perfectly fine. They are childhood friends so far. Same goes for Shinoa and Yuu. I like their relationship as friends and, so far, that's what they are. This is all about preferences, but don't dismiss our ship, please. Me_Hi said: If I had to make a guess about what will happen in the end, then I'd say Yuu will romantically end up with nobody. There's just something about about the development about Yuu's character that makes me think he has no interest in romance. I know some people think that Yuu and Shinoa have a good chance of being together, but I don't see it. At first I did, especially after Guren asked Shinoa if she has fallen for Yuu, but that kind of died down after a while. Yuu seems to consider Shinoa to be on the same level as everyone on else on the squad. He really doesn't seem romantically interested in her, and I don't see him taking a romantic interest into Shinoa any time soon. I actually think Yuu and Mika have a better chance at ending romantically than Yuu and Shinoa. However, the odds of Yuu and Mika having a romantic relationship in the end is confusing. A lot of it will depend on when the manga will end. The later the manga ends, the more likely Yuu and Mika will become a romantic couple. The Pro-LGBT rights movement has been growing very quickly, and several years from now, having a gay couple as the main characters in a mainstream anime won't be a big deal. I can see Japan being a lot more LGBT inclusive if the Manga ends in a few years or even a couple years. I just don't know how much. Although besides that, I just think Yuu and Mika have more romantic undertones, and their relationship seems more developed and deeper. In fact, their relationship is a huge component of the story. If they were of the opposite sex, they'd most likely be a romantic couple. The two of them think about each other a lot and they mean a lot to each other. I know many people consider Yuu and Mika's relationship to be bromance, but I don't see it that way. For the record, they're not brothers, and if they do have a romantic relationship, it's not incest. For some odd reason, here in Western culture some of us consider Yuu and Mika to be siblings. I've read some of the Japanese discussions on Owari no Seraph, and the Japanese fans don't really think of them as brothers, especially compared to the people here. It's a culture thing, and the language barrier between Japanese and English doesn't help. Furthermore, the Japanese fans love Yuu and Mika together. I'd say most fans favor them romantically together, but I can't speak for the entire Japanese fandom since I'm not Japanese and I haven't read every single comment about Owari No Seraph from the Japanese fans. Overall, I think a lot of Japanese fans would be happy Yuu and Mika ending up together. There are some fans of Yuu and Shinoa, but it's not nearly as popular as Mika and Yuu. I know the author won't necessarily make something happen because it's popular, but the fans interpretation of the work may be what the author intended to happen. Maybe we're supposed to be rooting for Yuu and Mika to get together. Who knows? Yeah, I don't think any ship will become canon in the end. According to a friend of mine, the yuunoa fandom is extremely small compared to the mikayuu fandom in the Japanese and Chinese fandoms (which explains the amount of mikayuu official art, merchandise, songs, etc). The difference is even bigger than in the western fandom... Idk how to use this goddamn thing so w/e Anyways I should be doing hw but this kind of bothered me but not to the point where it ruined my day. Idk, honestly, maybe I am really lucky and thats why I can't see things the same way you do. Everyone in my school and community love gay people to the point of fetishizing them or however they spell this buzzword. It's gotten to the point where I actually hate gay representation on Tv bc I know people are going to talk nonstop about it. I don't mind if a character's sexuality is there to reveal something about them whether it be gay or not. Also please don't use that systematic oppression shit or whatever you said. This is only true for certain parts in the west. I can buy that homophobia is still rampant outside of where I live, but this is a show. One guy's opinion shouldn't be based on how society thinks as a whole. He doesn't like seeing two dudes kiss. He'd rather see a bitch he doesn't like end up with Yuu. Doesn't mean he likes either of them, so whats the big deal? I don't think open mindedness has anything to do with it. Even if I were open minded, which I am, watching two straight people make out is so uncomfortable. I'd rather have two same sex people end up together, even if I don't like it or I'd be indifferent. Idk why we're commenting on this for so long and I actually hate this show but oh well |
Mar 3, 2016 8:26 AM
#274
CreamyNico said: He doesn't like seeing two dudes kiss. He'd rather see a bitch he doesn't like end up with Yuu. Doesn't mean he likes either of them, so whats the big deal? I don't think open mindedness has anything to do with it. Even if I were open minded, which I am, watching two straight people make out is so uncomfortable. I'd rather have two same sex people end up together, even if I don't like it or I'd be indifferent. Idk why we're commenting on this for so long and I actually hate this show but oh well Yeah but I didn't say anything about that. I just supported the person who said the other person is homophobic, and it somehow came to this. Not wanting two male characters together just because they're two guys is something homophobic... That's all we said. No one said anything about kisses. Most canon gay couples don't kiss in the media(except no.6) so we weren't even talking about watching them make out... It's even more obvious because that person ships EreMika :| and EreMika is extremely fucking similar to MikaYuu. Why keep arguing that said person isn't homophobic? Also wait... If you hate OnS so much then what's this? |
Mar 3, 2016 1:22 PM
#275
Mel96 said: CreamyNico said: He doesn't like seeing two dudes kiss. He'd rather see a bitch he doesn't like end up with Yuu. Doesn't mean he likes either of them, so whats the big deal? I don't think open mindedness has anything to do with it. Even if I were open minded, which I am, watching two straight people make out is so uncomfortable. I'd rather have two same sex people end up together, even if I don't like it or I'd be indifferent. Idk why we're commenting on this for so long and I actually hate this show but oh well Yeah but I didn't say anything about that. I just supported the person who said the other person is homophobic, and it somehow came to this. Not wanting two male characters together just because they're two guys is something homophobic... That's all we said. No one said anything about kisses. Most canon gay couples don't kiss in the media(except no.6) so we weren't even talking about watching them make out... It's even more obvious because that person ships EreMika :| and EreMika is extremely fucking similar to MikaYuu. Why keep arguing that said person isn't homophobic? Also wait... If you hate OnS so much then what's this? I legit don't remember anything about what we were arguing about in the first place, so I kinda lost interest and typed whatever came to mind. But yea, I hate Ons, I just came across this thread and I read some of the manga. Chemistry for the pair were so bad, but yuunoa is def worst. My feelings now are different from those months, so I wasn't sure if I liked it or really fucking hated it. I still don't think its homophobic. Maybe he just has a preference? Meh. I'm still not sure if you're saying he should take it into consideration. What exactly is shipping? Maybe he hates both of the ships and he just prefers yuunoa because she has a vagina. I still don't see how this is homophobic. Rip, don't bother replying to that part, idgaf anymore. |
Mar 6, 2016 7:14 AM
#276
To be honest let's be real... EVEN THE OPENING SAYS IT MIKA AND YU IDGAF WHAT THIS POLL SAYS BUT 1 THING FOR SURE I KNOW IS THAT IF YU AND SOME OTHER CHARACTER GET TOGETHER I'M GONNA DROP THIS SHOW *lies* BUT STILL MIKA AND YU FOR LIFE <33 |
Mar 27, 2016 7:38 PM
#277
Mika, is there anyone else? lol |
Apr 5, 2016 9:07 PM
#278
Hahaha i ship yuu and shinoa because they look pretty damn good to be a couple.Please for god's sake fujoshi is dominating here :D |
Apr 12, 2016 10:19 AM
#279
suki_uzumaki said: Honestly i just see yuu and mika's relationship as family since i mean your brother was jist turned intoa vamp the thing you hate the most in the world and you thought he was dead but woopty doo he's a blood sucking lively guy so how do i respond he's still my "FAMILY" yuu and mika both call each other that nothibg else while shinoa in yuu's coma stated "i think im falling for you" so like there we have a head cannon confession with mika we only get like what 3-5 scenes of him with yuu and it beats all oh idk 50 scenes of yuu x shinoa? It really pisses me of knowing most people only ship yuu and mika because they want guy on guy action dont get me wrong im not against it but like its annoying how people really are like that i ship yuu and shinoa because they have the most chemistry even when they dont need too like the time yuu went berserk seeing that one nobel drink shinoas blood I seriously see no romantic relationship between mika and yuu and to the people who say what about the neck bite mika gave to yuu Newsflash mika did that to krul too in a exact same way Like this Krul: slits her wrist to draw blood Yuu: slits his arm to draw blood Mika: ignores the clear wound and bites their neck Yuu&krul: *hug poor mika for enduring so much* Again im not hating its a great ship but its just more of a brother to brother relationship then a romantic one after my experience in facebook mangafox-mangahere - kissanime .... i started to know what people are going to say just from first sentence " i don't know why people ship mikayuu they are like brothers bla bla bla and i ship yuunoa it's make more sense bla bla bla " without philosophy say i ship yuunoa and it's enough, i understood now why the people don't bothering themselves in responding. |
Apr 19, 2016 3:49 PM
#280
Gundamthronezwei said: One doesn't need to be fujoshi to ship mikayuuPlease for god's sake fujoshi is dominating here :D |
Apr 20, 2016 6:20 PM
#281
Mel96 said: Gundamthronezwei said: One doesn't need to be fujoshi to ship mikayuuPlease for god's sake fujoshi is dominating here :D seeing you slay haters like wow we need more people like you |
Apr 21, 2016 8:50 PM
#282
Don't worry I'm everywhere Even when I'm not(? |
May 30, 2016 12:06 AM
#283
I'm just gonna say this. People who ship YuuNoa need to stop and people who ship MikaYuu need to stop. And I'm talking about the trash talking people. Honestly, I'd drop the show if it ends like Naruto where NaruHina and SasuSaku cannoned even though they barely interacted and as if by magic, Sasuke and Naruto return their feelings. And referencing Yuu and Mika to Eren and Mikasa is applaudable, but Mika and Yuu are way more touchy feely than Mikasa and Eren. I think the show would be good without any cannon ships (unless its GureShin because I have a guilty spot for it). Both AoT and OnS have green eyed angry teens with no interest in romance and I'm just fine with that. And my opinion on YuuNoa is basically its stretched than MikaYuu. Shinoa blushed when Yuu touched her neck (he didn't) and Mika blushed while he was getting stabbed (Yuu still didn't blush). Shinoa's crush on Yuu is kinda one-sided and him noticing her feelings doesn't mean he's gonna automatically like her for it. And the anime being tagged as Shounen doesn't automatically mean that its gonna end with Yuu and Shinoa so please don't get your hopes up and push other's down. Yuu probably wouldn't end up with anyone just because he has the mindset of "family" (Aka Daddy Guren). And YuuNoa shippers and MikaYuu shippers lay blame on each other of who's bashing who but its not helping anyone's case. YuuNoa shippers do tend to get a little anti-gay if they're trying to prove their ship is "right" because cliche stupidness. And MikaYuu shippers call someone homophobic too much when they should be careful being the definition states that someone hates/fears gays but the person in question might not mind it but just not prefer it. I ship YuuMika because, so far, they make more sense. Don't get me wrong, Shinoa is cool (see how I'm not bashing her, saying I like her, you don't see that much on the YuuNoa side, do you? Another example of trying to be considerate) and I could totally see her as a hardcore fujoshi. And if I had to choose, I'd choose Shinoa out of the girls. (But for the love of God, I'm not shipping Guren x Moto. Plus Guren is kinda mine and I'll only share with my baby Shinya). But I just feel that even during the second season there was no development between Shinoa and Yuu then it just won't happen out of thin air (unless they pull some Naruto bull and if you hope that happens then that just low of you). And why not MikaYuu??? I don't care if its gay, I'd be happy if it ends as shounen ai. Plus there is a lot of hetero anime out there if you're interested in gender aspects. Why not let us have a yaoi??? I mean I do have hetero ships (mainly [character name] x myself because yeah I'm selfish) but I feel that people push an anime to be hetero if its not already stated. And the NGNL reference kinda is a contradiction in itself being that Sora and Shiro do kiss but do you see Yuu and Mika lip locking? Nope. Plus I'm just a little satly because I love Sora, he is just perfect. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is how about we stop trying to shove ships and opinions down each other's throats and enjoy the show. Because no matter what we think, its up to the mangaka to choose what does and does not happen. |
May 30, 2016 2:42 PM
#284
Mikayuu all the way. If Yuunoa becomes canon A LOT of people will drop the show. If Mikayuu would become canon also lots of people would drop the show, but not as many as with Yuunoa. And if Mikayuu gets canon, then every Yaoi fangirl will watch it because boyxboy as a Main couple in an not Yaoi anime is rather rare. People should also focus more on the story like the Light Novels. And anyway it's stupid if everyone says 'There'll be no romance in Ons' it has been hinted at A LOT. Anyway I'm team Mikayuu. I mean come on it's 2016. We can have a gay couple in an not Yaoi. Yuunoa would be boring |
May 30, 2016 3:08 PM
#285
I agree with you on the topic of respectability, miles_mariama. I'm also 100% for Mika and Yuu, but don't have any problems with Shinoa as a character. I'd even go so far as to say she may be the most mature, clear thinking, and likable in the series. Oh, and as a side note, despite having the suffix phobia, the definition for homophobia actually includes a wide range of negative feelings - all the way from hatred and fear to antipathy, aversion, and prejudice. So one can be homophobic without expressing fear or having hatred. The scope of this word is actually wider than many realize. A common thread I've seen in many discussions on "MikaYuu" vs "Yuunoa" is people simply saying, "I don't like yaoi." Correct me if I'm wrong, but yaoi generally refers to a specific genre with specific traits. To say you don't like yaoi the genre is reasonable - I would say I don't. The few I've looked into relied very heavily on stereotypes and to me the relationships seemed more abusive than anything else. I've read broader criticisms of the genre that tell me these are common problems. But to say "I don't like yaoi" with "yaoi" meaning "any story with a gay main character or a gay relationship" is a much broader, stronger aversion. I just wanted explicitly call attention to the difference between the dislike of a specific genre rife with problems and an aversion to anything that has a gay character, because these are two significantly different ideas with vastly different levels of defensibility, imo. |
Jun 7, 2016 5:17 PM
#286
Well, This is my first comment and I'm still a bit insecure about my english writting abilities, so please be kind. I've read a lot of "ship war" and I want to say my opinion about that... First of all, I hate girls, Shinoa as well. I really dislike Yuunoa because I can't see nothing but Shinoa's one sided love. But I would never ship some impossible relationship, so if I say that I ship MikaYuu, it's because I see something in their relationship. I want to say that the anime being shonen or not doesn't mean nothing. You remember Naruto? A lot of people said that he wouldn't end up with nobody because the anime was a shonen, but he ended up married and with two sons. What I mean is, shonen can have romantic relationships. About what made me ship MikaYuu, that was the fact that they blush when they're next to each other, the fact they devote to each other, and other little stuff like that. Also the official art and the first episode of Owaranai Seraph - Nagoya Kessen-hen made me ship this couple. Anyway my opinion as a specialist in romances (I've write a lot of them), I think MikaYuu will become canon, but I also don't mind if Yuu end up alone. I just want that if there will really have some kind of romance it have a well done story, not just some sort of one sided love suddenly being corresponded. Also I think regardless of Yuu's feelings, Mika feels something "more than friends" for him. |
Jun 8, 2016 12:15 PM
#287
In re-watch process, In episode We see, Yuu was blushing in episode 8 when he sees Shinoa and it happened a few times. Yuu treats Mikaela as a family not in relationship terms. If you want to see that then go and read some doushinji. Therefore YuuX Shinoa |
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Jun 9, 2016 5:39 PM
#288
Renaultclio101 said: In re-watch process, In episode We see, Yuu was blushing in episode 8 when he sees Shinoa and it happened a few times. Yuu treats Mikaela as a family not in relationship terms. If you want to see that then go and read some doushinji. Therefore YuuX Shinoa yeah sure like he blushed one time with her he love her but about mika he have ton of moments together and yuu blushed with mika more than with anyone they are family pfft. like we have just to ignore that Yuu started believing in family again after he saw Mika alive - Yuu dreamt of Mika for 4 years and cried in his sleep screaming his name -when someone says your previous family the person who come to his mind is mika - he can't get his eyes off of mika - no one could change yuu reason for living but mika did - just look how yuu changed after he found mika alive - mika really loved yuu smile and that explain why yuu keep smiling around mika, and a lot of other shit but wait noooooo they are family , brothers of course yuu love shinoa because he blushed with her in episode 8 oh and let's ignore that in the official fanbook yuu refered he loves shinoa squad members equally. even though i read doujinshi we don't really need doujinshi. we have the gayest official art we got cutest words that yuu says to mika we have intertwining fingers we got this i forgot those genre of games what are called we got cute headcanon of mikayuu in the valentine we got the bite scene and it's was so gay just look at yuu hand ( in mika leg ) and mika as well you are the one who should go the dujounshi . |
Lenalee1LeeJun 9, 2016 5:49 PM
Jun 15, 2016 1:16 PM
#289
Yu and Mikaela have more a brother relationship then a lovers. I love Shinoa and Yu. |
Jun 15, 2016 2:59 PM
#290
The_Dreamer-WDCC said: I've read a lot of "ship war" and I want to say my opinion about that... First of all, I hate girls .........I'm sorry, WHAT? First of all, misogyny is not cool. There is no excuse for it. Second of all, how the f*ck can you hate your own gender? |
Jun 19, 2016 9:46 AM
#291
Chiibi said: .........I'm sorry, WHAT? First of all, misogyny is not cool. There is no excuse for it. Second of all, how the f*ck can you hate your own gender? Well, I didn't choose born a woman... I suffered a lot in women hands so I hate them. Of course is not like I would mistreat someone just for being a woman but I prefer to keep distance. And I would never ship any character with a girl or watch an anime with a feminine main character. But actually I my hate through Shinoa isn't just because of that, I simply dislike her and if Yuu have to end up with a girl I prefer him to end with Mitsuba. |
Jun 19, 2016 6:13 PM
#292
I ship yuu with shinoa because i love them together ,, and I don't want the anime to be yoai 😭>_< |
Jun 20, 2016 11:14 AM
#293
The_Dreamer-WDCC said: Chiibi said: .........I'm sorry, WHAT? First of all, misogyny is not cool. There is no excuse for it. Second of all, how the f*ck can you hate your own gender? Well, I didn't choose born a woman... I suffered a lot in women hands so I hate them. Of course is not like I would mistreat someone just for being a woman but I prefer to keep distance. And I would never ship any character with a girl or watch an anime with a feminine main character. But actually I my hate through Shinoa isn't just because of that, I simply dislike her and if Yuu have to end up with a girl I prefer him to end with Mitsuba. Mitsuba's a pretty typical, bitchy character. Why her? Even Kimizuki is a better tsundere than her. |
Jun 20, 2016 12:17 PM
#294
Chiibi said: The_Dreamer-WDCC said: Chiibi said: .........I'm sorry, WHAT? First of all, misogyny is not cool. There is no excuse for it. Second of all, how the f*ck can you hate your own gender? Well, I didn't choose born a woman... I suffered a lot in women hands so I hate them. Of course is not like I would mistreat someone just for being a woman but I prefer to keep distance. And I would never ship any character with a girl or watch an anime with a feminine main character. But actually I my hate through Shinoa isn't just because of that, I simply dislike her and if Yuu have to end up with a girl I prefer him to end with Mitsuba. Mitsuba's a pretty typical, bitchy character. Why her? Even Kimizuki is a better tsundere than her. Like I said, IF have to be a girl I prefer Mitsuba than Shinoa, but actually I still prefer Mika. Anyway today I was thinking a bit about it and I concluded that even though Mika is really better for Yuu than Shinoa, he will still end up with her because of that "she's a girl" thing. |
Jun 20, 2016 12:26 PM
#295
Like I said, "WHY though?" Mitsuba's very dull. I think she goes better with Kimizuki tbh. They can both be tsun tsun together. XD I don't think Mika is "better" for Yuu than Shinoa. That would indicate that his 'love' is superior to Shinoa's feelings. But I haven't really seen anything that proves that. Hell, we haven't seen anything that proves it's even THAT kind of romantic love....and I'm aware that everyone wants to believe otherwise. |
Jun 20, 2016 12:39 PM
#296
Chiibi said: I don't think Mika is "better" for Yuu than Shinoa. That would indicate that his 'love' is superior to Shinoa's feelings. But I haven't really seen anything that proves that. Hell, we haven't seen anything that proves it's even THAT kind of romantic love....and I'm aware that everyone wants to believe otherwise. I don't like Mitsuba either it's just that I still prefer her than Shinoa. It's like: I hate Shinoa and Mitsuba, but I hate Mitsuba a bit less. My english is a but awkward so I can't really explain why I think Mika is better than Shinoa as well as I could in my language but you see, this is just my opinion from someone that really understands Mika's point of view. I really can affirm that Mika loves Yuu more than anyone, but I can't exactly say what kind of love is this. And I don't need any anime or manga scene to prove I'm right because I'm just like him and I can put myself in his feet very well. (sorry if my english is bad) |
Jun 20, 2016 3:25 PM
#297
Chiibi said: Like I said, "WHY though?" Mitsuba's very dull. I think she goes better with Kimizuki tbh. They can both be tsun tsun together. XD I don't think Mika is "better" for Yuu than Shinoa. That would indicate that his 'love' is superior to Shinoa's feelings. But I haven't really seen anything that proves that. Hell, we haven't seen anything that proves it's even THAT kind of romantic love....and I'm aware that everyone wants to believe otherwise. I think this anime in general is guilty of relying on tropes, and I'm not a fan of that aspect at all really. Mitsuba and Kimizuki have interesting enough stories to be good characters without needing to rely on them. That's held them back from a characterization perspective, imo. Though I'm less prone to call Mitsuba bitchy than I am to hold the (male) writer accountable for making a sub par character that's built on tropes. I think there's at least some undeniable romantic tension between Mika and Yuu. Others have argued this many times here, so I won't make a lengthy post with pictures and reasoning. It just passes right over the head of many because it is a same-sex pairing. It is, however, debatable and honestly highly likely that the subtext was included to tease fans, with no intention of going that direction or being legitimate characterization. And if so, I think that fault lies again with the author and anime creators, not with fans for seeing what was purposefully added in to gain a wider following. That being said, I think Shinoa is the "best" character - meaning I see her as showing the strongest virtues and most sense, and I enjoy her humor and the quirks she has. Though these were mostly shown earlier in the series, and not so much toward the end. Mika and Yuu, however, are both incredibly flawed in their personalities and views and actions. With their history, I think their relationship is the most developed thus far. But I imagine we'll get more Shinoa as the manga progresses, and maybe eventually the anime as well if they decide to keep making it. |
Jun 23, 2016 3:38 PM
#298
I ship mikayuu and i don't hate yuunoa. I see them as love rival. I just love how mika trying to protect yuu from the evil human. And how shinoa is hugging yuu just to keep him from goong berserk.i love how mika is so overprotective to yuu. The two of them is just like a forbidden fruit, a boy with a boy and a vampire with a human (half demon maybe). It detestable but just too sweet. It may be a bit brotherly though, they do come from the same orphanage. But doesn't that make it more thrilling like a love between brother, it just make it more dramatic. And i don't get it why people calling each other homophobes and the likes, do you hate homophobe? Then does that make you having a phobia against a homophobe, a homephobe-phobe? And then there is these people calling the mikayuu shipper as gross and disgusting, just why? Because it's sinful? Unnatural?? I think we all have the right to love whoever they want, so those people (including me) is just enjoying the bl vibes given by the author. I'm talking nonsense right, i know just ignore me. |
Jul 15, 2016 2:18 PM
#299
Okay, guys, you're really slow if you think this show is gonna be yaoi/shounen ai because you obviously don't know the definition or what it involves to be classified as yaoi. Yuu and Mika getting together doesn't make it yaoi nor shounen ai. Yaoi involves men on men sexual activity. Shounen ai just means its lighter, but there still can be sex. Okay, now then there's this constant statement about Shinoa blushing and Yuu blushing at each other can valid for a cannon thing for this ship, but one-sided. We know Shinoa likes Yuu so that's why she's blushing but what about Yuu? And we all know Yuu and Mika blush like hell around each other but we can't just assume that's in a romantic way either. Its stated that Shinoa's squad including Mika have small crushes on Yuu. Now, Yuu is obsessive at times for rescuing his family but, seriously, him going beserk in season one wasn't just because of Shinoa. His friends were getting attacked. But the hug, you can have that. I mean we've already got Yuu's and Mika's obsession with each other, neck biting, hand holding and just plain out intimacy (lowkey wish they'd accidentally kiss like Sasuke and Naruto). Just how people say making them cannon could hurt his reputation, him queerbaiting like hell will hurt his reputation. I mean, yeah, Yuu wasn't with Mika side by side but, hell, the whole both seasons they were looking for each other. Almost seeing two cute girls naked and didn't even bat an eye. But you'd expect that from him tbh. He touched Shinoa's neck??? Well he also cupped Mika's cute cheeks. Now that they're finally renited they're practically inseparable. They caught in their own world that Narumi had to get them back into conversing with the rest. He didn't even notice Ferid, the one that slaughtered his family, because he was caught up in looking at Mika. But far as love goes, its undeniable that Mika and Yuu love each other the most. And I was so happy that Guren called himself Yuu's surrogate father and Krul was called Mika's surrogate mother. Now what boggles my mind is that people actually ship Krul and Mika. Or Guren x Yuu. But everyone has their own taste. I still can't believe people are still arguing over this, insulting people they don't even know just because of ships. I can't really say anything because I'm arguing too, but things like this can't be ignored. You can't go "Oh I like this ship because its not yaoi" or "Its gay, I ship it". Honestly, the most chemistry out of all ships are Guren and Mahiru (even though my heart belongs to GureShin). Mika and Yuu are second place. Shinoa and Yuu don't even hang out as much now that Mika is with them. But I'd still choose her out of the females. She's the first to approach him (even though Guren ordered her but let's count it) and she's been there with him since he started getting his revenge for his family. But so has Yoichi. Still, that girl hasn't left his side and truly thinks about what Yuu wants. Plus, she's funny and who doesn't want the funny character to be happy? Oh, confronting the whole Mika and Yuu's relationship is abusive topic. Shove it down someone else's throat because its not abusive. Mahiru and Guren's relationship is what I call "abusive" but more towards people around them. But has Mika abused Yuu? Did he ever hit Yuu to where he's crying to the floor? No, he hasn't. He's overprotective but not abusive. Hell, that's like me saying the play fight between Yuu and Shinoa was her abusing him. But, you know, I still prefer no ship be cannon just because it'd be easier for everyone. It is an action manga/anime so we can't just assume there will be a couple to canon. |
Sep 3, 2016 2:08 PM
#300
All for Mikaela with Yuu! These two have so much history together and I do not see them in a relationship with any other character in the series. Guren is like a father to Yuu since both of his parents just up and abandoned him. Yoichi and Kimizuki would be Yuu's friends, and these two are cute together. As for Shinoa and Mitsuba, won't work out but they can just stay as his friends with these girls dating each other. Asuramaru would be more like a partner in a job like he is now. Akane is like a younger sister to Yuu if she and the other orphans were still alive. Besides, Mika was the very first person that needed Yuu since he was abandoned by his own parents, sacrificed himself to protect Yuu after the other orphans were slaughtered by Ferid, and Mika fought so much and against his Thirst for Yuu. Comes to show how devoted Mikaela is to Yuichiro and just how special their bond is. |
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