Epicenter said: Of course it isn't solely about that, but it's a part of it. You can't just have immense skill and great intent and call yourself a great king if your people misinterpret you and don't value you, that's not great leadership. So you prefer someone who sweet talks you without actually benefiting you in anyway over someone whose exterior seems harsh but is clearly and visibly killing his own humanity so you can live a good life? Your priorities are mixed. People's actual quality of life depend on the shit she did, not on her ability to talk sweet. Epicenter said: I think you guys don't give Rider enough credit as a leader, you take his greed WAY too narrow minded. He wanted to inspire his people, he wanted his people to be just like him, so in his mind he had to be the greediest, most ambitious and most fun loving of all his people, so that they too would follow suit and try to have those qualities. His goal was never his people, it was his own greed. Seriously, his wish from the grail is literally give ME more. |
ZeroDragon said: A true king must present himself as glorious and above all others. He does as he pleases and nothing shall deny him the pleasures that he desire. It is unnecessary to use "inspiration to others" as justification for his actions for certainly he is beloved by his subjects. The existence of those who do not love him is a mistake, but naturally those types of people and their trivial grievances are so irrelevant to one's glory and rule that they may as well not be acknowledged for they are but mere mongrels. A king who acknowledges his mistakes and openly admits that there are many who would rebel against his will is one who harms his own reputation and by extension his right to be recognized as a king. Therefore, I recognize Rider over Saber as one who is a true ruler. Gil plz. For all you know, your subordinates probably locked you up in the wine cellar with lots of swords. You were drunk and hallucinated being an actual king. |
| I miss Gil's mongrel speak in the current anime tbh. |
DamnThatsTheSpot said: I miss Gil's mongrel speak in the current anime tbh. Me too. I wish he'd say it a lot more. Also |
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astroprogs said: ZeroDragon said: A true king must present himself as glorious and above all others. He does as he pleases and nothing shall deny him the pleasures that he desire. It is unnecessary to use "inspiration to others" as justification for his actions for certainly he is beloved by his subjects. The existence of those who do not love him is a mistake, but naturally those types of people and their trivial grievances are so irrelevant to one's glory and rule that they may as well not be acknowledged for they are but mere mongrels. A king who acknowledges his mistakes and openly admits that there are many who would rebel against his will is one who harms his own reputation and by extension his right to be recognized as a king. Therefore, I recognize Rider over Saber as one who is a true ruler. Gil plz. For all you know, your subordinates probably locked you up in the wine cellar with lots of swords. You were drunk and hallucinated being an actual king. Come now, Princess of Colchis. Read between the lines. |
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ZeroDragon said: Come now, Princess of Colchis. Read between the lines. I did, King of Heroes. Now come closer so my Rule Brea-I mean my hand holding the bottle of whine could reach you. |
ZeroDragon said: A true king must present himself as glorious and above all others. He does as he pleases and nothing shall deny him the pleasures that he desire. It is unnecessary to use "inspiration to others" as justification for his actions for certainly he is beloved by his subjects. The existence of those who do not love him is a mistake, but naturally those types of people and their trivial grievances are so irrelevant to one's glory and rule that they may as well not be acknowledged for they are but mere mongrels. A king who acknowledges his mistakes and openly admits that there are many who would rebel against his will is one who harms his own reputation and by extension his right to be recognized as a king. Therefore, I recognize Rider over Saber as one who is a true ruler. *smirk* Yet you're the only ruler who managed to anger even the gods with your attitude, King of Heroes. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
ZeroDragon said: A true king must present himself as glorious and above all others. He does as he pleases and nothing shall deny him the pleasures that he desire. It is unnecessary to use "inspiration to others" as justification for his actions for certainly he is beloved by his subjects. The existence of those who do not love him is a mistake, but naturally those types of people and their trivial grievances are so irrelevant to one's glory and rule that they may as well not be acknowledged for they are but mere mongrels. A king who acknowledges his mistakes and openly admits that there are many who would rebel against his will is one who harms his own reputation and by extension his right to be recognized as a king. Therefore, I recognize Rider over Saber as one who is a true ruler.  |
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astroprogs said: Epicenter said: Of course it isn't solely about that, but it's a part of it. You can't just have immense skill and great intent and call yourself a great king if your people misinterpret you and don't value you, that's not great leadership. So you prefer someone who sweet talks you without actually benefiting you in anyway over someone whose exterior seems harsh but is clearly and visibly killing his own humanity so you can live a good life? Your priorities are mixed. People's actual quality of life depend on the shit she did, not on her ability to talk sweet. Epicenter said: I think you guys don't give Rider enough credit as a leader, you take his greed WAY too narrow minded. He wanted to inspire his people, he wanted his people to be just like him, so in his mind he had to be the greediest, most ambitious and most fun loving of all his people, so that they too would follow suit and try to have those qualities. His goal was never his people, it was his own greed. Seriously, his wish from the grail is literally give ME more. "And why the flame of wanting to be like the king can burn in the hearts of every civilian" -Rider |
| Jaywalker. |
Looking back at the scene, I had forgot how much Rider has put her in her place as a king. She was sweating, she was having flashbacks of failure and clinching her feet, her eyes even started twitching, without being able to say ANYTHING at the end. She was shook, it almost looked like she was about to cry when he was done, and then Gil started making fun of her. Saber never bounced back against Rider, he verbally eviscerated her. Just look at her. |
EpicenterMay 11, 2015 7:09 PM
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Epicenter said: your not exaclty gonna be right when you sacrificed yourself for your country, united it, then had to watch it all collapse around you, even having your own flesh and blood being your own undoing. something iskander never had to deal with. iskander is a bro and all and i loved his character in the sense that he was a product of his time and he was made of pure awesome. but compared to saber he was just a boy in a mans body. Iskander's methods of ruling would not fly in Saber's time. Saber is exactly what the people needed. Iskander is more or less an "inbetween" to Saber and Gilgamesh, more so Gil than than Saber. I will say this though. Iskander was right in that Saber should not have regretted her rule, and her wish would have trampled over all the people who had fought and died in her name. Saber was loved by all she just too hung up to really see it herself.Looking back at the scene, I had forgot how much Rider has put her in her place as a king. She was sweating, she was having flashbacks of failure and clinching her feet, her eyes even started twitching, without being able to say ANYTHING at the end. She was shook, it almost looked like she was about to cry when he was done, and then Gil started making fun of her. Saber never bounced back against Rider, he verbally eviscerated her. |
Epicenter said: Mickdrew said: Saber could've easily had her own harem if she wanted one. Pretty much every male and even a lot of females (looks at Rin) pine for her in every time she's visited. Saber needs to go sadist on Gil and show him who's boss(grin). You mean Alter? Epicenter said: Well in the Fate Zero anime, there is nothing that indicates that Rider had his people rebel against him, therefore on that ground alone he's better than VN Saber to me. Anyways excluding the VN which is where I had my initial thoughts, Saber seemed like a strict dogmatic leader with no flexibility and was broken up/ashamed of what happened to her country, and one of her main people became Berserker, therefore Anime Rider who had all the loyalty, cared deeply about his people and his people loved him back, is superior. Wtf are you talking about? Saber was not a strict leader. She forgave a knight for adultery and he became berserker because of that. She had lots of flexibility. And ofc she was sad about what happened to her country. Not ashamed, tho. She'd proudly raise up her country's flag. Umm, Saber had lots of loyalty. Like I said, are you even reading? All her knights were loyal to her. The ones that left her were the ones that had doubts since the beginning. She cared FAR FAR FAR FAR more than Rider. She was about to become Alaya's slave for them to have 'a happy ending'. You clearly have no idea who Artoria Pendragon is ~.~ |
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| mira chan...just to let you know he only knows F/Z and UFOblade works and maybe some of King arthur's story but not the whole thing. i know the morgen le fay shit went over my head for the longest time as well as the end of king arthurs legend. i mainly knew the first portion of it for the longest time. |
ZeroDragon said: A true king must present himself as glorious and above all others. He does as he pleases and nothing shall deny him the pleasures that he desire. It is unnecessary to use "inspiration to others" as justification for his actions for certainly he is beloved by his subjects. The existence of those who do not love him is a mistake, but naturally those types of people and their trivial grievances are so irrelevant to one's glory and rule that they may as well not be acknowledged for they are but mere mongrels. A king who acknowledges his mistakes and openly admits that there are many who would rebel against his will is one who harms his own reputation and by extension his right to be recognized as a king. Therefore, I recognize Rider over Saber as one who is a true ruler. Well, yeah. You're a 2/3 god that was a perfect King to begin with. Our Seibah here wasn't even born with the King-of-Britain logo. Epicenter said: Looking back at the scene, I had forgot how much Rider has put her in her place as a king. She was sweating, she was having flashbacks of failure and clinching her feet, her eyes even started twitching, without being able to say ANYTHING at the end. She was shook, it almost looked like she was about to cry when he was done, and then Gil started making fun of her. Saber never bounced back against Rider, he verbally eviscerated her. [img]http://i.imgur.com/FN74Bns.png[/im g] Just look at her. Yeah, because Uro butccher can't handle her character properly. Now, if you would care to look at our primary soure; Heavens Feel route. She was corrupted by many evils and she still 1) Kept her ideals 2) Kept her sanity If Angraa Manyuu(All the fucking evils of the fucking world) can't make her let go. Why the hell do you think a tyrant would? @The Saber and Kerry thing It funny cuz she can also be considered a Magus Killer in her own way. |
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ProphecyPriest said: we felt that a F/Z thread that wasnt complete and utter shit would be nice to keep around. it's kind of like our tsukihime htread from the first cour. F/Z fans keep coming here and throwing around spoilers so this thread is a good spot for them to not have to worry. 90% of the other "f/Z thread turned to complete shit some of which were made just for the sole purpose of bashing F/SN...This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread!! Sorry for shitposting, but I really don't see any use of a pandering thread that only specifically meant to answer TC's questions. |
mira-nyan said: Lollo36 said: Instead of arguing about 2 great characters, we could shit on UBW Gilgamesh. He turns from awesome into "Hurr durr I want to kill most of humanity!" and "I'm explaining my powers to the enemy during battle!". Pretty sure he's never done this. And humanity is horrible. I don't blame him ~.~ Direct quote from the anime: Ilya:"why don't you come back to me, Berserker?" Gil: "Not even divine beings can escape from my chains of whatever. In fact, the higher the target' s divinity is, the harder it is to escape from it" OK, it isn' t exactly a direct quote |
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Epicenter said: That doesn't make him right. :/Looking back at the scene, I had forgot how much Rider has put her in her place as a king. She was sweating, she was having flashbacks of failure and clinching her feet, her eyes even started twitching, without being able to say ANYTHING at the end. She was shook, it almost looked like she was about to cry when he was done, and then Gil started making fun of her. Saber never bounced back against Rider, he verbally eviscerated her. Just look at her. |
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Maloghurst said: Well, VN fans came into this thread dropping VN spoilers for the sole purpose of bashing FZ Rider, so I'd say that this thread turned into shit too, considering that it was meant to be a place where zero watchers can comment on the UBW anime and vice versa.ProphecyPriest said: we felt that a F/Z thread that wasnt complete and utter shit would be nice to keep around. it's kind of like our tsukihime htread from the first cour. F/Z fans keep coming here and throwing around spoilers so this thread is a good spot for them to not have to worry. 90% of the other "f/Z thread turned to complete shit some of which were made just for the sole purpose of bashing F/SN...This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread. This thread!! Sorry for shitposting, but I really don't see any use of a pandering thread that only specifically meant to answer TC's questions. |
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Epicenter said: Looking back at the scene, I had forgot how much Rider has put her in her place as a king. She was sweating, she was having flashbacks of failure and clinching her feet, her eyes even started twitching, without being able to say ANYTHING at the end. She was shook, it almost looked like she was about to cry when he was done, and then Gil started making fun of her. Saber never bounced back against Rider, he verbally eviscerated her. [img]http://i.imgur.com/FN74Bns.png[/i mg] Just look at her. That's how urobutcher wrote it, doesn't make him more right than her. |
Lollo36 said: Maloghurst said: Well, VN fans came into this thread dropping VN spoilers for the sole purpose of bashing FZ Rider, so I'd say that this thread turned into shit too, considering that it was meant to be a place where zero watchers can comment on the UBW anime and vice versa.we felt that a F/Z thread that wasnt complete and utter shit would be nice to keep around. it's kind of like our tsukihime htread from the first cour. F/Z fans keep coming here and throwing around spoilers so this thread is a good spot for them to not have to worry. 90% of the other "f/Z thread turned to complete shit some of which were made just for the sole purpose of bashing F/SN... To be fair, it's hard to defend Saber without using Fate route, where she was characterized, developed, and her background has been explained. Neither Fate/Zero nor UBW give enough material to argue Saber's point properly. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Lollo36 said: Well, VN fans came into this thread dropping VN spoilers for the sole purpose of bashing FZ Rider, so I'd say that this thread turned into shit too, considering that it was meant to be a place where zero watchers can comment on the UBW anime and vice versa. It's F/Z and UfoUBW's fault why she is mostly bashed for being such a "sh*tty" king. Screw the rules. We will die for our king. |
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ProphecyPriest said: This thread. ^ Forgetfulness said: Damn that face is ugly. Even worse than Shirou's "triggered" reactions in ufofsn That episode had some of ufo's finest QUALITY. |
DamnThatsTheSpot said: ProphecyPriest said: This thread. ^ Forgetfulness said: Damn that face is ugly. Even worse than Shirou's "triggered" reactions in ufofsn That episode had some of ufo's finest QUALITY. I'm pretty sure the Seibahfags in Ufo decided to do an half-ass job cuz episode. Lollo36 said: mira-nyan said: Pretty sure he's never done this. And humanity is horrible. I don't blame him ~.~ Direct quote from the anime: Ilya:"why don't you come back to me, Berserker?" Gil: "Not even divine beings can escape from my chains of whatever. In fact, the higher the target' s divinity is, the harder it is to escape from it" OK, it isn' t exactly a direct quote Pretty sure he did this in the VN, too. |
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mira-nyan said: DamnThatsTheSpot said: ^ That episode had some of ufo's finest QUALITY. I'm pretty sure the Seibahfags in Ufo decided to do an half-ass job cuz episode. Lollo36 said: Direct quote from the anime: Ilya:"why don't you come back to me, Berserker?" Gil: "Not even divine beings can escape from my chains of whatever. In fact, the higher the target' s divinity is, the harder it is to escape from it" OK, it isn' t exactly a direct quote Pretty sure he did this in the VN, too. Except in VN he has a reason to say that since 1) he is taunting her 2) He expects Zerker to break them. |
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mira-nyan said: Pretty sure he did this in the VN, too. I'm not exactly an FSN VN fan/purist, I said "anime" because this thread is about UfoUBW in relation to FZ and vice versa, I didn't want to make a point against the adaptation. |
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Epicenter said: No that's definitely not what I meant.GARBrotato said: By getting screwed herself. Hahaha I'm funny. Shinji could never touch a queen like he is alluded to do with other lessers, if that's what you mean. Let's hope for no dolphins so you get what I meant.. |
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GARBrotato said: just let him think about dolphins it'll make him feel better.Epicenter said: No that's definitely not what I meant.Shinji could never touch a queen like he is alluded to do with other lessers, if that's what you mean. Let's hope for no dolphins so you get what I meant.. |
| Ahahaha, so Kirei ends up with his body getting stomped on by a bug like Shinji, that's hilarious, that's what he gets. I wonder how Gil will react to that, never thought they're deaths would be apart. It was nice to see Saber's scabbard heal thing return, in one act it was more relevant in this than I remember it being in Zero. |
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CookingPriest said: mira-nyan said: I'm pretty sure the Seibahfags in Ufo decided to do an half-ass job cuz episode. Pretty sure he did this in the VN, too. Except in VN he has a reason to say that since 1) he is taunting her 2) He expects Zerker to break them. Isn't this thread for anime onlys? |
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Epicenter said: Ahahaha, so Kirei ends up with his body getting stomped on by a bug like Shinji, that's hilarious, that's what he gets. I wonder how Gil will react to that, never thought they're deaths would be apart. He doesn't care so much about Kirei as to get sad or anything. It was nice to see Saber's scabbard heal thing return, in one act it was more relevant in this than I remember it being in Zero. Erm; Saves Iri's life. Lets Kiritsugu fight evenly against Kirei. Saves Shirou (though granted that's not Zero exclusive). |
Insertanamehere said: Epicenter said: Ahahaha, so Kirei ends up with his body getting stomped on by a bug like Shinji, that's hilarious, that's what he gets. I wonder how Gil will react to that, never thought they're deaths would be apart. He doesn't care so much about Kirei as to get sad or anything. It was nice to see Saber's scabbard heal thing return, in one act it was more relevant in this than I remember it being in Zero. Erm; Saves Iri's life. Lets Kiritsugu fight evenly against Kirei. Saves Shirou (though granted that's not Zero exclusive). Really? I always thought they had some weird best buds of evil thing. But yeah I could be wrong about the scabbard, it's been a long time, it's nice seeing it back nonetheless. |
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Epicenter said: eh to call them "friends is waaay overstating it. Gil will never have any friend other than Enkidu. and Kirei cannot really feel too much in terms of comeradery he really doesnt care either. they just have this weird dynamic and a common goal that really really works. Gil cares only enough about kirei in the sense that he would likes to see him be who he is and see were his road ends up.Insertanamehere said: He doesn't care so much about Kirei as to get sad or anything. Erm; Saves Iri's life. Lets Kiritsugu fight evenly against Kirei. Saves Shirou (though granted that's not Zero exclusive). Really? I always thought they had some weird best buds of evil thing. But yeah I could be wrong about the scabbard, it's been a long time, it's nice seeing it back nonetheless. |
| So, waiting for some "comparison images" between F/Z Lancer and F/sn Lancer! |
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Maloghurst said: Epicenter said: eh to call them "friends is waaay overstating it. Gil will never have any friend other than Enkidu. and Kirei cannot really feel too much in terms of comeradery he really doesnt care either. they just have this weird dynamic and a common goal that really really works. Gil cares only enough about kirei in the sense that he would likes to see him be who he is and see were his road ends up.Really? I always thought they had some weird best buds of evil thing. But yeah I could be wrong about the scabbard, it's been a long time, it's nice seeing it back nonetheless. They're friends in a manner of speaking. If nothing else, they're awfully cozy with each other, far more so than with anybody else for sure. |
fst said: They're friends in a manner of speaking. If nothing else, they're awfully cozy with each other, far more so than with anybody else for sure. Gil finds Kirei interesting and Kirei found a "teacher" of sorts in Gil, I wouldn't say they're really friends at all. Neither ever expresses any sort of regret over the others demise. Gil only really cared for Enkidu at all. And Hakuno in CCC. |
Epicenter said: It was nice to see Saber's scabbard heal thing return, in one act it was more relevant in this than I remember it being in Zero. -kept iris alive throught the 4th war until she was unable to function -saved kiritsugu's ass in his fight against kirei -saved shirou's life. UBW -played a part in saving shirou's ass when he got stabbed by lancer(rin did the heavy lifting) -catalyst for summoning saber -kept shirou alive from archer's shrapnel -healed shirou's huge gaping wound from rider's chain dagger -healed him during his fight with archer. obviously as i'm sure you guessed since Avalon is Saber's artifact it plays a much more pivitol role in her route. |
fst said: i'd say they're friends in a rather loose sense. to say that they are "friend" friends is a bit of a naive fanboy way of looking at it.Maloghurst said: eh to call them "friends is waaay overstating it. Gil will never have any friend other than Enkidu. and Kirei cannot really feel too much in terms of comeradery he really doesnt care either. they just have this weird dynamic and a common goal that really really works. Gil cares only enough about kirei in the sense that he would likes to see him be who he is and see were his road ends up. They're friends in a manner of speaking. If nothing else, they're awfully cozy with each other, far more so than with anybody else for sure. |
Grey-Zone said: So, waiting for some "comparison images" between F/Z Lancer and F/sn Lancer!  |
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| I don't know, from Zero I got a feeling that Gil enjoyed Kirei's company, he would always chill out with him and try to make him enjoy life and was interested in him. In response Kirei sort of let Gil influence him to unleash his darker side, so I just thought they were kind of friendly, or would at least have something to say about the other dying. Even if not utterly insanely emotional. Stuff like "well that's a shame" or other cool distant but cozy villain alliance half buddy type stuff. Plus they spent years together by now I assume. |
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Maloghurst said: fst said: i'd say they're friends in a rather loose sense. to say that they are "friend" friends is a bit of a naive fanboy way of looking at it.They're friends in a manner of speaking. If nothing else, they're awfully cozy with each other, far more so than with anybody else for sure. Well obviously. Neither of them has friends any in the traditional sense of the word (other than Enkidu, perhaps). But they have a strange camaraderie between them. |
| Yeah UBW Lancer went out way more with a bang and strength, but hey at least Fate Zero Lancer died with that epic curse and his curse sort of came true. I mean that was such a cool rant. He was like "let my blood stain your dreams, let the grail be cursed, and when you go to hell remember the rage -my name-" then with the look on his face like a monster that was epic. |
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| Please. If Diarmud was true hero, he wouldn't die so easily with from such stab. I mean come on, his spear wasn't even cursed! :P |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
fst said: which is what i had initially said.....Maloghurst said: i'd say they're friends in a rather loose sense. to say that they are "friend" friends is a bit of a naive fanboy way of looking at it. Well obviously. Neither of them has friends any in the traditional sense of the word (other than Enkidu, perhaps). But they have a strange camaraderie between them. |
Epicenter said: it was neat, just retards took it too literally.....Yeah UBW Lancer went out way more with a bang and strength, but hey at least Fate Zero Lancer died with that epic curse and his curse sort of came true. I mean that was such a cool rant. He was like "let my blood stain your dreams, let the grail be cursed, and when you go to hell remember the rage -my name-" then with the look on his face like a monster that was epic. |
Maloghurst said: Epicenter said: it was neat, just retards took it too literally.....Yeah UBW Lancer went out way more with a bang and strength, but hey at least Fate Zero Lancer died with that epic curse and his curse sort of came true. I mean that was such a cool rant. He was like "let my blood stain your dreams, let the grail be cursed, and when you go to hell remember the rage -my name-" then with the look on his face like a monster that was epic. Are you meaning that people actually think he caused the fire and the whole screw up somehow or? |
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Epicenter said: Yes. Some people legit think he's the reason the grail blew up and didn't grant anyone's wish.Maloghurst said: it was neat, just retards took it too literally..... Are you meaning that people actually think he caused the fire and the whole screw up somehow or? |
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Botato said: Epicenter said: Yes. Some people legit think he's the reason the grail blew up and didn't grant anyone's wish.Are you meaning that people actually think he caused the fire and the whole screw up somehow or? You can't prove that it wasn't him. |
fst said: Botato said: Yes. Some people legit think he's the reason the grail blew up and didn't grant anyone's wish. You can't prove that it wasn't him. Yeah, The grail just blew up for no reason. Must've been Zero Lancer's curse. ...so this means he was the reason why SN happened as it did...! D: |
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