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gabyta07 said: Acernos said: you do not remember what the doctor Kanou said the world where they live is a "cage" and that his research would show the truth to the world? For me, V is a group of ghouls that are part of the human world policy. I must admit I have read that chapter thousands of times, and still I haven't understood what Dr. Kanou meant. I mean why is it a cage? Does he want to maximize humans abilities? Does he thinks humans should live in a world where the strongest win? Wouldn't that mean that ghouls are going to reign? Then he is going at the end get eaten? And if he wants all humans become half-ghouls, then what is going to happen to the food source? In summary I didn't get him But Kaneki seem like he did :/ I came up with an explaination. Kanou's ideal is survival of the fittest. Everyone gets turned into a ghoul and they have to eat each other in order to survive. |
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Finchenzo said: Page 15, it seems Urie hearing Haise call Serpent "Nishio Senpai" via wireless. If that reported to Arima, that mean Nishio identity has been known by CCG. That's why Arima come, if Haise remember his past, CCG need to get all the precious information from him, about Kaneki's life as ghoul, about Aogiri, his meeting with Kanou, about all his friends from Anteiku, about Kazan (Anteiku's manager) and his relation with Owl and shady organization that want him back (may be this organization the cause of Anteiku's destruction). Haise/Kaneki hold so many precious information, CCG can't get it due his ammnesia. Shirazu* and i don't think Arima came for that. |
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PinkSheep said: I just wanna know how he survived and why he joined the CCG I also don't think he got dissociative identity disorder from Jason According to wikia and other pages DID is probably caused by traumas, so it is not actually Jason who caused him the DID but -Rize's trying to eat him -Tsukiyama trying to eat him -Jason's torture -Losing the manager -Sending his friends to V14 only to see that Arima probably killed them -Have been hit on the brain two times...pierced. I think anyone would want to forget who he is after this, plus the problem that his body keeps healing himself, without giving him peace. So what did he choose? to sleep, and have another personality. Also must likely Arima never had the intention to kill him, when he woke up he already had DID, and the person with DID can have amnesia So it was easy piecy for Arima to give him a new name, twist some facts. And the CCG is what they do, they turn victims into CCG members, Kaneki's case is no different. Plus Kaneki's base personality is that he wants to help in general. "Oh I was attacked by a ghoul, and now I am a half-ghoul....ghouls are evil who want to destroy humanity...I'll do everything to help" Anyway that is my take |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
PinkSheep said: You could find out it's caused by trauma even by reading how Jason was tortured and developed another personality because of it Kaneki still had his personality after he was tortured I thought he meant sleep as in dying to have peace but I haven't read in awhile so I don't fully remember Nope, bc then he wouldn't have said "when we wake up..." I found this, that I think is sooooo cool With you, Rize's copycat |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
PinkSheep said: Page number? Sorry my bad, it says exactly "My consciousness turns into ash" Haise means ash. and "let's rest a bit" Edit; Lol, sorry again, he does say "WAKE UP" Just couldn't find it, and I started to think my mind was playing tricks with me Chapter 140 page 9 |
gabyta07Nov 24, 2014 6:43 AM
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
PinkSheep said: Which page was the other one on?I read that one as it meant that he knew he could die and I knew I didn't remember him saying that He does say wake up, I just couldnt find it...but I found it chap 140...page 9 (wake up) and 12 (conscience) |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
PinkSheep said: I meant the other thing you said but he didn't actually say ????? I said "wake up" Nope, bc then he wouldn't have said "when we wake up..." But he specifically says " The next time I wake up" Which is the same idea. |
gabyta07Nov 24, 2014 7:15 AM
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
PinkSheep said: "We" makes it different and him saying his consciousness turned to ash I read as him losing consciousness because he was dying We, in this context means "I" Kaneki is walking with Kaneki Anyhow, I won't argue about context and grammatics, the thing is he knew he was not going to die...probably he thought he was going to end up in cochlea, bc he said something along the lines "When I wake up, I'll know where I'll be" |
gabyta07Nov 24, 2014 7:31 AM
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
| Lol I don't get what you guys are arguing about. |
PinkSheep said: Neither do I Neither do I. I didn't get why are you being anal about paraphrasing. Is it forbidden? Anyhow the point is that it seems he knew he wasnt going to die, as I said probably he knew he was going to be put in cochlea or something like that. |
gabyta07Nov 24, 2014 8:53 AM
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
| As i continue to reread TG i don't really see a side with true virtue. CCG kills ghouls because human meat is the only thing they can consume. Aogiri kills both human and ghouls in an ambition to obtain hierarchy over the human race. they both have extremist ideologies on how the future of the world should be the pierrot are maybe the most antagonistic. while both sides are fighting mainly for their race in a war of dominance Pierrot ambitiously cause havoc in the personal lives of ghouls and humans for their entertainment. |
| "Events that happen in this world are a continuous series of trifling things. And within those myriad pieces of puzzles, there is a fragment that leads to the truth." -Kishou Arima |
gabyta07 said: PinkSheep said: You could find out it's caused by trauma even by reading how Jason was tortured and developed another personality because of it Kaneki still had his personality after he was tortured I thought he meant sleep as in dying to have peace but I haven't read in awhile so I don't fully remember Nope, bc then he wouldn't have said "when we wake up..." I found this, that I think is sooooo cool With you, Rize's copycat a curiosity on this page, while in the first two Kaneki mimics the way of speaking of Rize, the Sasaki already did not. |
Acernos said: gabyta07 said: Nope, bc then he wouldn't have said "when we wake up..." I found this, that I think is sooooo cool With you, Rize's copycat a curiosity on this page, while in the first two Kaneki mimics the way of speaking of Rize, the Sasaki already did not. But at the end it means the same right? Could it be, he was trying to make it his :p No idea what he changed it. Did someone else said yo? like that? Another question, in the last page is Sasaki looking at Arima or his head is down? I am starting to see thing lol |
gabyta07Nov 24, 2014 10:11 AM
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
anikaneki said: As i continue to reread TG i don't really see a side with true virtue. CCG kills ghouls because human meat is the only thing they can consume. Aogiri kills both human and ghouls in an ambition to obtain hierarchy over the human race. they both have extremist ideologies on how the future of the world should be the pierrot are maybe the most antagonistic. while both sides are fighting mainly for their race in a war of dominance Pierrot ambitiously cause havoc in the personal lives of ghouls and humans for their entertainment. You forgot V. They obviously seem to have the most control and power in the system. |
Z4k said: anikaneki said: As i continue to reread TG i don't really see a side with true virtue. CCG kills ghouls because human meat is the only thing they can consume. Aogiri kills both human and ghouls in an ambition to obtain hierarchy over the human race. they both have extremist ideologies on how the future of the world should be the pierrot are maybe the most antagonistic. while both sides are fighting mainly for their race in a war of dominance Pierrot ambitiously cause havoc in the personal lives of ghouls and humans for their entertainment. You forgot V. They obviously seem to have the most control and power in the system. i saw you all mention "V" but i'm having trouble remembering what "V" actually is. can you refresh my memory please? sorry. i'm rereading to retain more information now so i don't know how but i must've overlooked them in an effort to catch up with current chapters the first time around. |
| "Events that happen in this world are a continuous series of trifling things. And within those myriad pieces of puzzles, there is a fragment that leads to the truth." -Kishou Arima |
anikaneki said: Z4k said: You forgot V. They obviously seem to have the most control and power in the system. i saw you all mention "V" but i'm having trouble remembering what "V" actually is. can you refresh my memory please? sorry. i'm rereading to retain more information now so i don't know how but i must've overlooked them in an effort to catch up with current chapters the first time around. I'll go off my memory because I'm too lazy to go dig into the chapters, lol. V is basically some mysterious organization thought to be working with CCG and Aogiri, which would be an interesting connection between the two. They are the ones that Takatsuki starts to dig into and reports to Amon about, the organization that's making "liquified ghouls" and Amon finds out that CCG has some stakes in the company. |
CNTRI715 said: anikaneki said: i saw you all mention "V" but i'm having trouble remembering what "V" actually is. can you refresh my memory please? sorry. i'm rereading to retain more information now so i don't know how but i must've overlooked them in an effort to catch up with current chapters the first time around. I'll go off my memory because I'm too lazy to go dig into the chapters, lol. V is basically some mysterious organization thought to be working with CCG and Aogiri, which would be an interesting connection between the two. They are the ones that Takatsuki starts to dig into and reports to Amon about, the organization that's making "liquified ghouls" and Amon finds out that CCG has some stakes in the company. So that mean the father of the twins was a V member right? |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
| [quote=CNTRI715] anikaneki said: Z4k said: i saw you all mention "V" but i'm having trouble remembering what "V" actually is. can you refresh my memory please? sorry. i'm rereading to retain more information now so i don't know how but i must've overlooked them in an effort to catch up with current chapters the first time around. I'll go off my memory because I'm too lazy to go dig into the chapters, lol. V is basically some mysterious organization thought to be working with CCG and Aogiri, which would be an interesting connection between the two. They are the ones that Takatsuki starts to dig into and reports to Amon about, the organization that's making "liquified ghouls" and Amon finds out that CCG has some stakes in the company. ahhhh ok now i remember. this helps! i'm like 40 chapter away from being done rereading. it amazes me this story with some many branches of info was done by one person. ishida's brain is a scary thing |
| "Events that happen in this world are a continuous series of trifling things. And within those myriad pieces of puzzles, there is a fragment that leads to the truth." -Kishou Arima |
anikaneki said: As i continue to reread TG i don't really see a side with true virtue. CCG kills ghouls because human meat is the only thing they can consume. Aogiri kills both human and ghouls in an ambition to obtain hierarchy over the human race. they both have extremist ideologies on how the future of the world should be the pierrot are maybe the most antagonistic. while both sides are fighting mainly for their race in a war of dominance Pierrot ambitiously cause havoc in the personal lives of ghouls and humans for their entertainment. Yeah this is probably one of my favorite things about TG as a whole. Neither side, humans or ghouls, is inherently bad which is really what makes the whole thing so tragic. Early on in TG Kaneki and Amon talk about this (during the investigator arc I think) about how the "world is wrong" and Kaneki realizes that he is essentially the bridge between humans and ghouls as a hybrid. I still think this is one of the huge overarching themes of the series that is carrying on in :re. Think about it, by the end of TG Kaneki was so far gone, so insane, so completely taken over by his ghoul side that his humanity seemed almost beyond saving, and with it chances of reconciling things between humans and ghouls. The turn of events at the end, with him becoming Sasaki, is his opportunity to live on the human side again, and see the perspective of the investigators. All of this is needed, Kaneki and Sasaki, to eventually bridge the gap, he just can't see it yet. As far as Amon, I feel like he is going to be equally important in fixing the world. He's always felt like a second main character to me and now in :re I think he will be playing the role of villain and tragic hero, being forcefully turned into a hybrid. Again if Amon is going to help bridge this gap between humans and ghouls then seeing things from the ghoul perspective is exactly what he needs right now, as miserable as it might be for him. So yeah, Kaneki and Amon, two sides of the same coin that have now flipped sides. That's where I personally think Ishida is going with :re, can't wait to see how it turns out. |
CNTRI715 said: anikaneki said: i saw you all mention "V" but i'm having trouble remembering what "V" actually is. can you refresh my memory please? sorry. i'm rereading to retain more information now so i don't know how but i must've overlooked them in an effort to catch up with current chapters the first time around. I'll go off my memory because I'm too lazy to go dig into the chapters, lol. V is basically some mysterious organization thought to be working with CCG and Aogiri, which would be an interesting connection between the two. They are the ones that Takatsuki starts to dig into and reports to Amon about, the organization that's making "liquified ghouls" and Amon finds out that CCG has some stakes in the company. Wait no. V was actually against aogiri that's why they interrogated Yoshimura about his child before the raid by CCG. |
Z4k said: Wait no. V was actually against aogiri that's why they interrogated Yoshimura about his child before the raid by CCG. Good find, yeah I actually forgot about this part. V seems to have their hands in every part of this story, just in the background. Like everyone else was saying I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out to be the major antagonists of :re |
| I was thinking of Kurona and Nashiro, since her father from what you say was a member of "V" Anyhow Nashiro had black hair as Kurona but it turned into white too. Can we assume from that, that Arima was experimented on? Probably from the same V, and that is why he seems so mysterious? Also it could just mean a duality, since the twins were a duality from having been with the CCG and then with Dr. Kanou...maybe Arima has a specific story too that results in duality. And if it is so, then we will have a cycle, you know Kaneki turn to white during his stay with Aogiri, Nashiro during her stay with Dr. Kanou, and Arima with V or the CCG. |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
gabyta07 said: I was thinking of Kurona and Nashiro, since her father from what you say was a member of "V" Anyhow Nashiro had black hair as Kurona but it turned into white too. Can we assume from that, that Arima was experimented on? Probably from the same V, and that is why he seems so mysterious? Also it could just mean a duality, since the twins were a duality from having been with the CCG and then with Dr. Kanou...maybe Arima has a specific story too that results in duality. And if it is so, then we will have a cycle, you know Kaneki turn to white during his stay with Aogiri, Nashiro during her stay with Dr. Kanou, and Arima with V or the CCG. i started a discussion about Arima. i'd like to hear your theory on him. i definitely believe genetic manipulation is playing a part in this and arima may have been the first. given to the CCG as a JACK by the hierarchy that is V. something really stood out to me in the 7th chapter of :re (< lol that looks like a funny face.) it was on page 17, as they attack Kaneki. Kuramoto Itou says "thats the genes of a special investigator for you." this statement seems very strange to me. what if CCG was given clearance to create super soldiers as a means of balancing the scale by V? just a thought. maybe the changing of hair color isn't from stress which we believed to be true but actually the genetic manipulation of human/ghoul Dna. kaneki's hair changed after sometime of being administered food. Arima was specifically chosen on the SSS battle. maybe this was the first time being administered the DNA or his first time given field clearance post operation. This WOULD explain why Kaneki and Eto were able to pass through the RC detector. what if the detector had already been calibrated for hybrids like Arima? its said to detect high RC levels but allows Eto, who's most likely in the 10's of thousands, to pass. |
anikanekiNov 24, 2014 12:09 PM
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CNTRI715 said: Neither side, humans or ghouls, is inherently bad... I don't think so. Humans don't destroy lives daily for the sake of satisfying their hunger. The humans fight only because they are pretty much facing extinction if they don't take up arms. Remember the children who are trained by CCG when their parents were killed by ghouls? A restaurant where ghouls enjoy humans being minced alive? Countless ghouls proclaiming humans are just meat? Aogiri pretty much wanting world domination? I'm pretty sure the humans aren't the bad guys here, and this concept of extreme violence towards ghouls pretty much came and died with Mado. I've always viewed CCG as the self-defense type. It's easy to think the way you do when it's only fiction, but if this were real, i doubt anyone would sympathize with things that threaten to eat you or your loved ones every day. By the way, even though i undoubtedly want CCG and humanity to prevail, i don't dislike following the ghoul side in the slightest, nor do i hate most of the ghouls i've seen. |
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Maledict said: CNTRI715 said: Neither side, humans or ghouls, is inherently bad... I don't think so. Humans don't destroy lives daily for the sake of satisfying their hunger. The humans fight only because they are pretty much facing extinction if they don't take up arms. Remember the children who are trained by CCG when their parents were killed by ghouls? A restaurant where ghouls enjoy humans being minced alive? Countless ghouls proclaiming humans are just meat? Aogiri pretty much wanting world domination? I'm pretty sure the humans aren't the bad guys here, and this concept of extreme violence towards ghouls pretty much came and died with Mado. I've always viewed CCG as the self-defense type. It's easy to think the way you do when it's only fiction, but if this were real, i doubt anyone would sympathize with things that threaten to eat you or your loved ones every day. By the way, even though i undoubtedly want CCG and humanity to prevail, i don't dislike following the ghoul side in the slightest, nor do i hate most of the ghouls i've seen. It's a little bit off topic, but actually I talked this with someone, and we agreed that ghouls eating humans is not that often. It is as often as you would hear a psychopath kill his whole family and ate it. A normal ghoul can survive a month or two with a human body. Also it doesnt seem to be many ghouls as humans in the world Plus you have ghouls like Arata who preferred to dig graves or eat their own. And we think this, bc no humans really feel threatened by ghouls, I mean ppl still get out of their houses. Take as example Kaneki. When he was a child with Hide they are talking about ghouls as it was a ghost story Kaneki didn't even know what a ghoul look like in the first chapter Second Kaneki accepted to accompany a woman who said her house was close to the ghoul event....does Kaneki show signs to be afraid? No...the reason is bc to him is just like a fantasy to laugh at. Even when the ghoul expert was talking ppl still were eating and making conversation It is not an urgency matter. CCG doesn't even advertise who they are, and how ghouls look like, they post pictures of ghouls they are looking in their own bureau, do they appear in the media? It doesnt seem so. Also you said "Humans don't destroy lives daily for the sake of satisfying their hunger" what about the pigs lives, or the chickens lives If this were real I would tell you that CCG is being lazy, not advertising in the media, not list of precautions, a human has to take. They don't even sell kagune knifes or so for humans only so they can protect themselves. They just pick victims, and take advantage of them....why feed the victims hate/revenge, why not let that person live in peace after such ordeal. Also, buying ghoul liquid? Doing experimentation by trying to turn humans into ghouls or something similar, torturing ghouls instead of killing them. I mean all the things that Jason did, it was the CCG's fault, for not killing the ghoul as they should. Why the hell do they have cochlea, I understand the necessity of having 1 or 2 ghouls. But why having a big prison of them, why not killing them? So in conclusion I blame the CCG for what happened to Kaneki and well Kaneki himself for not informing himself about the dangers that surrounds him. |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
Maledict said: CNTRI715 said: Neither side, humans or ghouls, is inherently bad... I don't think so. Humans don't destroy lives daily for the sake of satisfying their hunger. The humans fight only because they are pretty much facing extinction if they don't take up arms. Remember the children who are trained by CCG when their parents were killed by ghouls? A restaurant where ghouls enjoy humans being minced alive? Countless ghouls proclaiming humans are just meat? Aogiri pretty much wanting world domination? I'm pretty sure the humans aren't the bad guys here, and this concept of extreme violence towards ghouls pretty much came and died with Mado. I've always viewed CCG as the self-defense type. It's easy to think the way you do when it's only fiction, but if this were real, i doubt anyone would sympathize with things that threaten to eat you or your loved ones every day. By the way, even though i undoubtedly want CCG and humanity to prevail, i don't dislike following the ghoul side in the slightest, nor do i hate most of the ghouls i've seen. Actually the ghouls first lesson is to assimilate to human society. the very first thing they are taught is oppressive to their instinctual desire to feed. don't view ghouls as a human would view one another in terms of sentiment dealt towards the same family of animal, but as another species. Being devoid of the idea that human morality applies to the survival of another species is what allows us to view lions and other carnivorous animals with respect from a distance and has aided how to understand one to coexist (Kaneki states something similar after the climax of the battle with nishiki and tsukiyama) And the human race isn't facing extinction (hence how they're able to not only live out in the open but also have skyscrapers that tower over as a beacon to show human presence in the world) what they're facing is a nemesis it doesnt wish to find a common ground or create a compromise with. Instead of creating a code of ethics and morals with the reality that ghouls co-exist alongside the human species. Humans choose to force them into hiding and exterminate them out of fear. Article 13, clause 2 of the Ghoul Counter Measure Law is basically, swiftly exterminate a suspect if it is identified as a ghoul, This isn't deterred by an age limit meaning babies and children are included. We've also seen the CCG destroy plenty of lives: ayato & touka. their father was a corpse collector, he ate the dead bodies of humans and ghouls in an aspiration of not causing harm if unnecessary yamori. tortured relentlessly for experimentation & sadistic pleasure. hinami & ryouko fueguchi. A ghoul family torn apart who, these two specifically, were not accustomed to killing. Human oppression created a perversion of the species that has emerged and we see it in but a fragment of time which is the present time of this story with kaneki. theres no way to know the extent of what went on on both sides through this worlds history yet, but ghouls eat to survive and human meat is what they have to consume by a predatory means of luring & tricking because there only prey is not only a social species but an intellectual one. thats not to say that some ghouls aren't psychopathic maniacs just as humans are its just to say that there overall presence isn't as threatening to the point that all need to be exterminated as a virus although it is fiction there is still a universe with morals, ethics, right, wrong, just, and unjust and when we are presented this we are endowed with the ability to judge ourselves what is good and evil from a observational seat set away at a distance far and close enough to make our own judgements. but we're all full of shit until the "God" has completed the universe when we assume what is what before its reached its completion. |
anikanekiNov 24, 2014 1:19 PM
| "Events that happen in this world are a continuous series of trifling things. And within those myriad pieces of puzzles, there is a fragment that leads to the truth." -Kishou Arima |
| [quote=gabyta07 So in conclusion I blame the CCG for what happened to Kaneki and well Kaneki himself for not informing himself about the dangers that surrounds him.[/quote] there were topics brought up here i really never thought of knives, precautionary methods, etc. i'm truly impressed by these points. mind blown |
| "Events that happen in this world are a continuous series of trifling things. And within those myriad pieces of puzzles, there is a fragment that leads to the truth." -Kishou Arima |
anikaneki said: [quote=gabyta07 So in conclusion I blame the CCG for what happened to Kaneki and well Kaneki himself for not informing himself about the dangers that surrounds him. there were topics brought up here i really never thought of knives, precautionary methods, etc. i'm truly impressed by these points. mind blown[/quote] Thanks I also liked yours too, I also would like to add about ghouls really not being taken seriously except for the CCG That even the supernatural club approaches Hide, saying that Kaneki is a ghoul If they think Kaneki is a ghoul, why didn't they report him? And I will say why? Bc it is not taken seriously by civilians for the lack of information. |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
| I'm starting to think that Kaneki's healing abilities is the same as Noro's. I guess we wont know until he gets decapitated. |
| Noro was a beast. i can't wait to see Noro again. SET THE CLOCK!!!! |
| "Events that happen in this world are a continuous series of trifling things. And within those myriad pieces of puzzles, there is a fragment that leads to the truth." -Kishou Arima |
Z4k said: Wait no. V was actually against aogiri that's why they interrogated Yoshimura about his child before the raid by CCG. I was forgetting this bit for some reason...I only remembered V's connection to the liquefied ghouls. Did Yoshimura have an agreement with them? Cause I'm pulling up a blank on why they thought he betrayed them? |
2-Kawaii said: I'm starting to think that Kaneki's healing abilities is the same as Noro's. I guess we wont know until he gets decapitated. Nah , noro might be something else entirely. They called him a monster for a reason :) I always hated akira, so tsuck up and all, but she needs to stay alive for my man amon thou :( |
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| I want to see Haise go wild for a longer time. Well, meeting with Arima doesn't bode well to Haise. I wonder what they'll talk about. |
MuggleBorn said: Z4k said: Wait no. V was actually against aogiri that's why they interrogated Yoshimura about his child before the raid by CCG. I was forgetting this bit for some reason...I only remembered V's connection to the liquefied ghouls. Did Yoshimura have an agreement with them? Cause I'm pulling up a blank on why they thought he betrayed them? I have a feeling it is because they knowhischild is the 1 eyed and heprobably had an agreement to get rid of her but didnt. |
meowmix101 said: MuggleBorn said: I was forgetting this bit for some reason...I only remembered V's connection to the liquefied ghouls. Did Yoshimura have an agreement with them? Cause I'm pulling up a blank on why they thought he betrayed them? I have a feeling it is because they knowhischild is the 1 eyed and heprobably had an agreement to get rid of her but didnt. I love how you say "probably". It is stated in the manga why he did that and what his relation with V is. |
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Arcanix said: meowmix101 said: I have a feeling it is because they knowhischild is the 1 eyed and heprobably had an agreement to get rid of her but didnt. I love how you say "probably". It is stated in the manga why he did that and what his relation with V is. I said 'probably' because I don't remember the exact events, sorry about that. :) |
| Question: Was Kaneki ever shown with the number 4? And Touka with the number 3? If they have, can anyone tell me where? |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
gabyta07 said: Question: Was Kaneki ever shown with the number 4? And Touka with the number 3? If they have, can anyone tell me where? No. Kaneki 100%, Touka maybe there was and i don't remember. |
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Arcanix said: gabyta07 said: Question: Was Kaneki ever shown with the number 4? And Touka with the number 3? If they have, can anyone tell me where? No. Kaneki 100%, Touka maybe there was and i don't remember. Thanks, someone told me they had already been represented by emperor and empress in the manga, but I guess they were wrong, thanks again |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
| Finally it's officially confirmed that Sasaki is indeed Kaneki and Serpent is Nishio-senpai! Poor Sasaki/Kaneki though... Maybe it was with a little of his will or against his will to change into a completely new person, but I really hope he comes to terms with himself. I dislike Arima. We really don't know much about him other than him being the top and strongest of the CCG. He just comes and stabs Kaneki and now he appears again. >:c |
meowmix101 said: http://yayaxkaneki.tumblr.com/post/102851559230/someone-commented-on-this-so-i-want-to-share-it i thought this was interesting :) Mmmm, I don't agree First of all bc of the sentence "Nishio-senpai, huh? who?", meaning he does not remember Second, yes we call him Kaneki, but indeed he is not, that jus his kakuka self talking to him IMO, it is dangerous for Kaneki to accept him, since he can not control the kakuja form, plus it drives him more mentally unstable. I think he will find more stability when he completes it. At the end of chap 7, could it be the wheel of fortune together with the star on the floor? Then it could mean Sasaki will only receive a pat on the head, and that's it. |
gabyta07Nov 26, 2014 12:22 AM
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
gabyta07 said: At the end of chap 7, could it be the wheel of fortune together with the star on the floor? I don't know about the star but it indeed is the wheel of fortune in the last panel. |
Z4k said: gabyta07 said: At the end of chap 7, could it be the wheel of fortune together with the star on the floor? I don't know about the star but it indeed is the wheel of fortune in the last panel. Thanks, then something is going to develop, could it be Sasaki and Arima are going to partner up for a mission? Chapter 8 where are you??? |
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
Acernos said: I really thought it was all joke around the theory of clones, but this theory is even after the last chapter still quite internationally accredited by the supposed fans, even more than the kakuhou transfers the soul and memories of the former User's life. LOL "supposed fans" I think I'll check what the spanish and french fans have to say about it I only found ppl who had already read chapter 7, saying that they removed Kaneki's kakuhou and they put him inside Sasakii, just like Rize. Now I remember why I never read spanish forums |
gabyta07Nov 26, 2014 8:38 AM
| "It's like Tolstoy said. Happiness is an allegory, unhappiness a story" "And the sense of tragedy-according to Aristotle.comes, ironically enough, not from the protagonist's weak points but from his good qualities. Do you know what I'm getting at? People are drawn deeper into tragedy not by their defects but by their virtues" Kafka on the shore by Haruki Murakami...the man that was the inspiration for Sen Takatsuki |
gabyta07 said: Acernos said: I really thought it was all joke around the theory of clones, but this theory is even after the last chapter still quite internationally accredited by the supposed fans, even more than the kakuhou transfers the soul and memories of the former User's life. LOL "supposed fans" I think I'll check what the spanish and french fans have to say about it I only found ppl who had already read chapter 7, saying that they removed Kaneki's kakuhou and they put him inside Sasakii, just like Rize. Now I remember why I never read spanish forums but why is his hair white and turning black? why is he endowed with using his kagune in ways reminiscent of old comrades? why is he having a mental breakdown similar to nashiro and kurona when reminded of his past? you'd figure genetic manipulation and he being a clone they could hone him just having physical skills and a dullened personality with a swiped clean memory... but they decided not to because??? yeah, no its kaneki. not a clone. but the triple O.G. rookie of the year.. Ken "Eyepatch-kun" Kaneki.. why are they still holding on to this when there are so many other things to theorize? |
anikanekiNov 26, 2014 9:09 AM
| "Events that happen in this world are a continuous series of trifling things. And within those myriad pieces of puzzles, there is a fragment that leads to the truth." -Kishou Arima |
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