Why do ppl hate Naruto

sonicspin said:
I enjoy the story, but dislike:

-Fillers
-Dragging of story
-Quality of animation
-Narutards

Purin said:
- Overrated
- Overrated
- Overrated
- NARUTARDS The lowest form of anime fandom.
- Repetitive
- 200+ episodes; 85% fillertastic
- Character design is boo
- Animation is waaay boo

young98 said:

first of all, naruto is at most 65% "fillertastic"
i looked at your anime list, it doesn't mention naruto at all, not even in the dropped list, hey don't knock it until you try it
i don't get how because you think it's overrated and repetitive, dislike the character design and animation, that you hate naruto, did the show hurt you or something? i don't care if you dislike naruto for good reasons, but unless you have a decent reason, i don't know why you hate it

shadowhippy said:
I started out with Galaxy Express 999 way back when

Vladimir_Putin said:
I hate ninjas, swords and all traditional Japanese weaponry. Not just the normal kind of hate. The 'daikirai' level of hate.

eternalmetal said:


then why do you watch anime? A lot of it is absorbed in the culture of Japanese fighting and martial arts. This is one of the reasons why I started watching anime, cause I loved ninjas and samurai and the such. Its a shame that there arent as many ninja anime as there should be

manasteel88 said:
I like naruto and the manga is fantastic. The only problem with the show is that the animation and pacing are very poor right now especially compared to the first non-filler series.

But people hate Naruto much like they hate Halo or they hate Harry Potter. Its because of counter-culture.

eternalmetal said:
It is an ultimate classic popular shounen title. Let it be.

Purin said:
- NARUTARDS The lowest form of anime fandom.
- Animation is waaay boo

jukugo said:

I don't really see why we should let it be because it's a popular shounen title. Discussions such as this spring up more often for popular shounen titles more than any other, for the very reason that they are popular and oft-favorited. Where there is an anime message board Naruto is sure to exist, also. The very reason people call it overrated is because of the hype it receives, otherwise it would simply be just another bad anime. Discussions are almost warranted more because of its popularity. After all, it is a lot easier to hold a conversation about Naruto than about...say...Monkey Turn. That is solely because Naruto is far more popular.

danobou said:

The main character is a retard and needs to get a life.

eternalmetal said:


And I personally think Naruto is a typical shounen, but possesses great elements that make it enjoyable as a kids show, or as an adults show. Its target audience is immense, and pre-fillers and pre-Shippuuden it was executed really well. The jutsus made you want to stay with it and learn more, and the fights were fun and entertaining. Naruto doesnt by any means have an epic storyline, or a great cast of interpersonal relationships, but it has that entertainment factor that even epics sometimes dont have. This entertainment factor (objective judging aside) is why I really enjoy this show, and the reason why thousands of other people do too.

An "adults show" now that's just bullshit. It is straight and simple shounen. No interesting characters, no convoluted plot, no romance, no mystery, action is done poorly(chuunin exams were the last decent action scenes), deaths are just people falling down etc.

There is nothing mature about Naruto whatsoever. Little Kids come back to it because they can expect the exact same thing everytime. I'm not even counting the filler as part of it, since it wasn't in the manga.

Aero8 said:
- Cause friends tell me to watch it
- Cause it''s too long
- Cause the main guy looks like an idiot
- Cause it's over rated
- Cause it's repetative
- Cause there's lots of fillers
- Cause.....i just don't like it

eternalmetal said:
It is overrated, most classics are. But its the next Pokemon as far as popularity goes, and whether you like it or not, thats a classic too. And your argument for saying we should let it is flawed. We already did allow for Naruto to become popular and marketed.

And its popularity is judged by anime fans themselves, not saying its the greatest anime, but it has merits. I listen to metal and there are a lot of overly popular bands (Slayer) that I dont think deserve their popularity, but to not recognize their status and popularity would be pretty ignorant. they are a classic whether I like it or not.

And I personally think Naruto is a typical shounen, but possesses great elements that make it enjoyable as a kids show, or as an adults show. Its target audience is immense, and pre-fillers and pre-Shippuuden it was executed really well. The jutsus made you want to stay with it and learn more, and the fights were fun and entertaining. Naruto doesnt by any means have an epic storyline, or a great cast of interpersonal relationships, but it has that entertainment factor that even epics sometimes dont have. This entertainment factor (objective judging aside) is why I really enjoy this show, and the reason why thousands of other people do too.

Your favorite anime may be too esoteric for the general public and may not be versatile enough to make it as a franchise. Sorry, but thats the way it goes.

ichikiba said:

Actually, yea ,there is mystery. It's not comparable to a series that is geared toward mystery, but there's mystery. Also, the series has dealt with issues like the pain of loss, the definition of "family," strong bonds between friends, among others.

As for the romance...it's a shounen action series? Why would it have a lot of romance?

Yes, it's the typical shounen action series. I don't deny that for a second, but that doesn't mean it doesn't deal with issues that are important to the target audience. I don't see it as an action series alone. To me, it's also a coming of age story of Naruto and the other characters his age.

That's probably why those characters don't seem intresting to most people; they're not very developed. They're just kids. They're still growing mentally and emotionally, and I personally find it interesting to watch them, and I'm interested to see why kind of people they grow into.

AnimusNathan said:


Are you a troll? I'm not trying to defend Naruto but this comment is just...I mean, what the hell?



An "adults show" now that's just bullshit. It is straight and simple shounen. No interesting characters, no convoluted plot, no romance, no mystery, action is done poorly(chuunin exams were the last decent action scenes), deaths are just people falling down etc.

There is nothing mature about Naruto whatsoever. Little Kids come back to it because they can expect the exact same thing everytime. I'm not even counting the filler as part of it, since it wasn't in the manga.

danobou said:

Narutards is the lowest form of anime fandom. Narutards seriously should get into other anime instead of obsessing about one.

jukugo said:

You're missing the point of coming of age stories. There is no basis for saying it is okay that the characters are completely flat and uninspired because they are children. Child characters can and should be just as multi-faceted as their adult counterparts, although I suppose in Naruto's case they are, but only because the adult characters are also flat. There are certainly things that child characters cannot pull off as well as an adult character, but those sorts of things are not really utilized in Naruto anyhow.

One of the biggest problems with the issues that Naruto addresses is that it does so in a half-assed way, and as often as not fails to properly see the allegory through for some incomprehensible reason. It also does not deal with the issues in a full way. It treats them as a child would, even when not from the younger characters' perspectives. If we take that to be a merit because it is speaking down to its target audience, then the treatment of the show almost necessarily begins to shift. It starts to become closer and closer to a true "children's show," except without the nonviolent and instructive merits that are generally looked for in those sorts of shows, and with an older cast.

I would also contest the assertion that Naruto has "mystery," at least depending on what sort of definition of mystery you are operating under. Generally mystery also implies the search for the truth and considerable action take to arrive at it, but it can also refer more abstractly to the general sense of "mystery" and wonder that accompanies fantastic representations of the world such as in Mushishi and many of Miyazaki's works. Neither of those seem particularly present in Naruto, unless there is some sort of 'xtreme mystery arc!" somewhere after I stopped following it actively. I'll find out whenever I catch up (probably this summer).

ichikiba said:

See, I just completely disagree with the notion that the characters are completely flat. As for the mystery, yes, I'm using a very broad definition...like, ridiculously broad. But like I said with the romance, it's an action series. The action is the main point. It's like wanting more romance and mystery from the Terminator movies.

If you want a romance, watch a romance series. If you want mystery, watch a mystery series. I think it's dumb that people fault Naruto for being what it is: a shounen action series. Of course, you can dislike it for being a relatively bad shounen action title, I won't argue with that.

I can't say I disagree with you when you say that the issues are dealt with in a half-assed way. I agree, and hopefully Kishimoto will improve in that aspect and others when he does his next series. It's just that most people don't seem to recognize that they are dealt with at all, and that's why I said something.

The last thing I want to say is that I just like the series. Maybe I have worse taste than you people, I dunno. I recognize that it's not really that great, in fact, it's kind of crappy. But it's still one of my favorite manga. Some people will try to shove down your throat the idea that it's the greatest thing ever. I won't do that. All I ask in return is that you people not treat me like I'm retarded just because my tastes are different from your own.

jukugo said:

I reject the idea that there is anything such as "bad taste." Personal taste is just that, and no one can say much about it. Reason has little place in discussions of personal opinion, because it is commonplace to like one series and hate another for almost precisely the same reason. The fact that you recognize that Naruto is not that great while maintaining a personal appreciation is plenty. It means you can separate personal taste from critical opinion, and I laud you for that. If you interpreted my response as "[treating] you like [you're] retarded" then I apologize for my response having perhaps too harsh a tone.

I agree that action is the main point of the series, but the problem is that something that is just action almost automatically cripples itself. If we say that we should not worry about the other stuff in there because we're just there for the action, shounen action shows are put on the same level as pornography, and efforts to rate them become muddled and for most purposes, completely foolish. Sure, watching pure action can be fun and enjoyable, but that does not mean it somehow deserves great praise. I enjoyed Naruto at times because occasionally the action was interesting and relatively well done, but this was not the norm and so the series does not drive itself home in any appreciable way. In order for action to work properly there needs to be something backing it. Something to add emotional weight and suspense to the action transpiring on the screen. Otherwise we might as well be watching a boxing match (not that I have anything wrong with people who watch boxing matches, but they aren't really the same thing as I think anime series should be). As an additional note, a great flaw in Naruto's action itself is the tendency to draw things out and its lack of the ability to conclude things in a timely and dramatic manner.

Lastly, when I describe characters as "completely" flat (if I did so, which I am too lazy to check) it is both hyperbolic and relative. Characters in Naruto are flat and uninspired compared to the majority of other series, regardless of genre. Certainly one expects shounen characters to be slightly flatter than those in a romance, but that is not a necessity of the genre itself and should not be treated as such.

ichikiba said:

First of all, I want to thank you for your kind words.

Second, I agree entirely. However, and I don't remember who originally made the complaint, but I just felt that the complaint about a lack of romance in a series that is of the action genre, and geared toward teenage boys was without merit. Yes, there should be something back up the action, which Kishimoto does do, but...well, frankly he's just not very good at presenting it. Either way, I just don't see a lack of romance being a problem for this series.

The moments of meaningful character interaction and character development are too few and far between amongst the action, which even I will admit is often mediocre. I think Kishimoto needs to polish his story-telling skills. But, this is his first serialized manga, so maybe his next story will be better.

Edit: Oh, and jukugo, I just want you to know that the comment about people treating me like I'm retarded wasn't specifically aimed at you. It just seems like quite a few people, even other anime fans, look down on me just because I like certain anime, including Naruto.

jukugo said:
The longer the series goes on, the more its flaws are highlighted and the less we are able to notice the high points.