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| Take note here kids, this is what happens if you get overconfident in a SZS opening world. |
| As much as a I hate to further hype this series in fear of the hype ruining the potential this series has, this episode definitely further established this series as one of the best series to air in years; not many series has been alluring and capable mixing the best of both extremes without feeling awkward; from smiles to tears, Madoka Magica does not drop the ball for even a second. What an amazing series. |
Will I fall in love someday? I wonder? |
| Awesome. That is all. |
randywmorgan17Jan 23, 2011 6:07 PM
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DenjaX said: T___________T WAAAH I WANT MY MAMI *pun intended Is this what a mahou shoujo is like? DANG This is my first time watching a mahou shoujo. I've always thought that mahou shoujo is all about cutesy and sweets. The Troll: This is different from your usual mahou shoujo show, it could be seen straight from episode 1, known in episode 2 (The heavy reference to Faust) and OMGWTFBBQ in episode 3. The Non-troll: As refered to previous posters before me, and the authors of a few blogs in the net, They argued that Shinbou is trying to "deconstruct" the theme again, like what he did with Nanoha. Heck, even Atsuhiro Iwakami warned that the concept of Mahou Shoujo, magic system, witches....etc are different from standard, as a byproduct of deconstruction. Refer to http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Translated_Official_Documents Just to add,it is immature, naive and foolish of us to equate Mahou Shoujo to cutesy and sweet, as we only see a limited perpection of the issue that we are tackling. Sailor Moon tries to tackle this before, then Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha and etc etc. It is just like not admitting that children can be savage creatures and we tend to look at them from the cutesy side. As a result, we have a naturalistic instinct to equate children=innocent, cute, non-sinners.... Anyway, your statement reminds me of Tsubasa: The chonicles. Not to attack you in person, but the sickness of society in general. SetsunaFromSeiei said: DVD and BD pre-orders of Madoka Magica went wild in Japan after this episode, VERY WILD see http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/dvd/16378461/ref=pd_ts_zgc_d_16378461_more?pf_rd_p=95927389&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=403507011&pf_rd_m=AN1VRQENFRJN5&pf_rd_r=1DSJA7FX1ET3YRFHZS90 Now Madoka is first in BD sales(amazon.jp). Haha, and we could see why. In fact, I think this franchise is something worthy that I should get. Madcat_Zam said: Take note here kids, this is what happens if you get overconfident in a SZS opening world. And in general too. Lesson learnt: Be humble, be professional, learn to be cold and logical whatever tasks you take HOMURA FTW. I love mysterious girls http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/3336/strikepose.jpg |
nerdyguyJan 21, 2011 7:18 PM
| I hate myself. That is my philosophy. |
| Now! This is Gen Urobuchi! And so Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica changes from being generic to unique. |
 "I always take life with a grain of salt, ...plus a slice of lemon, ...and a shot of tequila." |
| this show just showed how very different it is from the other similar magical girls that we all though about when we watched the first episode. i am guessing she is going to be revived by a wish....maybe? |
| BRILLIANT!!!! I love this twist, the mascot finally has his carrot to get Madoka to become a magical girl. Now I can say for sure this is Highlander the Magical Girl Show. |
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De-JaY said: pcube19622 said: Kyubey is the devil (c'mon look at that :3 face... ) lol yeah, exactly  That would creep me out after a while. At first I am questioning myself when watching eps. 1, "if they want to make a dark mahou-shoujo, why didn't they make a irregular mascott/animal for this???" And now I know the reason... O_O btw, I have been expecting something twisty after the happy moments, in some points I began to guess that Mami will died, or at least defeated... But her death becomes even MORE depressing. Not sad, just depressing. Another btw, the only logical wish that Madoka will ask is to revive Mami. However, I'm sure it wouldn't be a DBZ-ish revive. It could be not possible, or backfire. And if I think at the past of Mami, she should be asking a wish of "Please revive my Family" or something like that when the accident happened. But she was alone until she met Madoka. |
/a/ said: Anonymous Thu Jan 20 12:56:28 2011 No.44969621 The whole barrier was just a metaphor to "bite off more than you can chew", Mami was way too confident of herself and reckless, she thought she could guide the rookies and do all by herself, she even tied up Homerun-chan and went in there by herself. Everywhere was food much more than you could possible eat, also drugs which may symbolize delusion. fuck yeah, speculah. Anonymous Thu Jan 20 13:19:03 2011 No.44970294 >>44970111 ED SPECULAH: look how the closer it gets to ends, the silhouette starts running (probably madoka throughout the whole ED) and the lights start to fade. IN THE END, ONLY DARKNESS REMAINS. Anonymous Thu Jan 20 13:31:03 2011 No.44970592 Hmm, Charlotte's barrier was at the Kamijo's hospital, wasn't it? Didn't Mami just mention something about witches feeding off of people in hospitals last episode? Just some comments that are worthwhile to read in /a/ |
| I hate myself. That is my philosophy. |
| btw, is there are no people who discussing Homura's weapon? I see this picture in net : Multi-weaponry archer? |
| I....I....I don't even... holy shit..... I was not expecting this to get so...dark so soon, even if they do bring her back i think it'll be far less DBZish than everyone thinks since they only get one wish for their entire life, and they all know how weak Mahou Shoujos are now, and DA-UM this show is just....holy shit |
ShadowGilgameshJan 21, 2011 9:58 PM
| This remind me of a couple of old rpg game where a level 99 legendary swordman bring/save a newbie and travel together and end up where this legendary swordman got killed by immortal NPC and this newbie bla bla bla you know the rest....in the end the legendary swordman pop upfrom nowhere. My best guess is: |
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zeroyuki92 said: btw, is there are no people who discussing Homura's weapon? I see this picture in net : Multi-weaponry archer? Just like there are different forms of rifles for Mani, who says Homura could not have bombs for a weapon. xD |
| I hate myself. That is my philosophy. |
| I just kept noticing something. At 21:24-21:28, a glob of stuff falls down and Homura averts her eyes. I'd hate to think it, but is that all that's left of Mami? Also, at 19:50, you can see that dam smiley face that ends her life, hiding behind the cute looking doll. Darn thing is smiling... like Kubey... who incidently smiles at the very end (or maybe he has no other expression) |
OmniknightJan 21, 2011 10:08 PM
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| I think Homuras weapon/s are kinda mysterious. I've seen some posters of her with a bow and arrow but yeah she could have some bomb like things too. Also it appears as if she can teleport or something? as someone else said it appears half of us want Mami revived and the other half dont because you think it will ruin the story. I for one dont care if shes revived or not. To me she was a meh character so her death was a shock but It didn't really make me sad. I think though Madoka will do the predicted and try to revive Mami, though the results could be good or bad. She was someone who until the ending of the last ep didn't need anything specific or had any major wishes she wanted granted. She had a comfortable life. Now shes being presented with a situation where she'll feel like she has to use it. |
Omniknight said: I just kept noticing something. At 21:24-21:28, a glob of stuff falls down and Homura averts her eyes. I'd hate to think it, but is that all that's left of Mami? Bingo, and later there's a scene where there is a grief seed covered in blood (or dark red liquid) on the table where Mami's supposed to be remains dropped on. Sayonara7 said: I think Homuras weapon/s are kinda mysterious. I've seen some posters of her with a bow and arrow but yeah she could have some bomb like things too. Also it appears as if she can teleport or something? Yes, Homura can teleport, we have already seen her do so at the beginning of the first episode inside the dream. |
pcube19622Jan 21, 2011 10:50 PM
| I have no coherent words to describe how awesome this series is so far. Can't wait for the OST. |
pcube19622 said: Bingo, and later there's a scene where there is a broken soul gem covered in blood (or dark red liquid) on the table where Mami's supposed to be remains dropped on. Debate as the whether that is the witch's grief seed or is it Mami's soul gem. It clearly had a spiky end, similar to the one is ep 2. However, just after Homura picked it up, I saw the faintest glow of orange, characteristic of Mami's gem. Not sure what to conclude. |
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Iisan-kun said: I agree with you because theres a theory on the Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica wikia that Witches are in fact "fallen Mahou Shoujo's".I concluded that Mami has a high probability of coming back as a witch. Perhaps when a Mahou Shoujo dies, a twisted version of their wish comes into being in the form of a witch. For example, Gertrud in episode 1 could've wished for beautiful roses, and Charlotte in episode 2 could've wished for happiness and a cure for a sick child. The idea is (quoted off the Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica Wikia) that witches may just be "fallen magical girls". Granted that using magic makes your Gem dirty, and the only way to restore them is to kill witches and steal their Seeds, there could be magical girls that used up all their powers without ever recharging them (because they weren't aware of it or because they refused to kill witches), and so became witches themselves. On the other hand, no explanation has been given so far. Heres the Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica Wikia page: [url=http://madoka.wikia.com/wiki/Speculations_and_theories]http://madoka.wikia.com/wiki/Speculations_and_theories Keep in mind though that this is all Speculations and theories not facts. |
desolatoJan 22, 2011 8:33 AM
| I hope that they do revive her, but something along the lines of "she leads a normal life with no memories," or something like that. Her death just made me too sad, and it works because of the rules/cautionary remarks made throughout the episode and the fact that now Madoka actually has something to wish for. Also, this: http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/835551/akemi_homura-black_hair-blonde_hair-blue_eyes-blue http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/835086/blonde_hair-blood-blue_hair-headless-kaname_madoka |
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| Wooow Mami's fighting style was siiick. Did not expect her to be offed that quickly though. That bunny Kyuubei is looking rather shady... |
| I was thinking of some things and that has led me to a new theory. I will post it in spoiler tags. So I was thinking about what would be the cruelest way to deconstruct the idea of magical girls dying then coming back to life seen in so many shows of the genre? The answer I came up with is surprisingly simple, but extremely cruel. |
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| Mami's character was played out perfectly for me because I actually thought she was the suspicious one from her very introduction up until her little soliloquiy near the end (even her tears looked fake imo!), so although I expected there to be a plot twist initially, I was lead to believe I was wrong in thinking so and felt bad for making such a judgement in the first place, but then BAM I get absolutely KO'ed by the plot twist that I longer saw coming. Shook me to the core as I came to the realisation of how tragic a life she lead. |
| I think this is finally showing the dark side of it all, and that being a magical girl ain't just all fun and games. I'm really curious how the entire world works though, especially with the theory that witches may be fallen magical girls. This series is really looking up for me, especially considering how slow the first episode was for me. |
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DmonHiro said: I will agree with you on that one, the devil likes to trick in many ways that are simply so little to notice until you are dead. MAMI!!!!BTW, this was planned by the liitle POS animal. He told Mami to "take her time", knowing it would hatch. At least that's what I think. Panaru said: That's also agreeable because the devil does tend to trick out with wishes too, such as you said if it is not worded properly the wish can be at the choice of what it is to be by the one granting it so Mami comes back but as what? If Madoka does not say precisely key elements there can be a screwup in all this. I predict that Madoka wishes Mami back, but remember what Mami said to Sayaka. If you make a wish that is supposed to make someone else happy, make damn sure you word it properly or the wish might not turn out the way you want. cat-craze said: I was kind of feeling like that too.OMG!thank you so much!! Mami annoyed me from the start- please please let me never hear of her again- seishi-sama said: About 1. I did not hear her speak unless it's to hint that she will become that second person we see in the OP when Madoka transforms. About 2. It's possible since in the situation she was, she needed that wish to live on or die perhaps in the car blowing up. About 3. Another speculation that may also be true in fact Mami might have been under the direct control of Kyubey somehow at the last minute he might have taken control of her after all we don't know if being in contract with Kyubey means he has certain control over you.Well...there's numerous reasons actually, starting from most obvious and ending with less obvious. Iri said: Your spoiler is rather interesting because it does tend to speculate that Kyubey is looking for someone to be really strong because he know Homura will lose in the future as the enemy becomes strongerseishi-sama said: The third option you mentioned is the one that I was suggesting in an earlier post. It certainly would be a very interesting development.Well...there's numerous reasons actually, starting from most obvious and ending with less obvious. nerdyguy said: Do remind me but I did most of the watching regarding Claymore a while back.Yumekichi11: Lol, the decapiated heads showed neatly how she is treated. And lol, she was careless. Remember the "mistake" that Threasa made in the Claymore anime (assuming that you watched it; I read the manga). nerdyguy said: Exactly, there must be a reason for it, maybe just to screw around your mind.And in reply to one of your spoilers, I also wonder why they choose the medical + food theme. They do not juxtapose with each other naturally. nerdyguy said: Steppenwolf? Maybe my father would know more about it. Regardless Japanese always twist many things in anime but deciphering is what makes discussions fun.Also, I have halfway through another German literature that has some reference to Faust; It is called The Steppenwolf. And in that book, the world that Steppenwolf describes is just like what you are mentioning, an introspection of yourself. And I will start reading the Goethe's Faust by the next week or so. I have the nagging feeling that those shaft guys have analysed that story in detail and have twisted it in such a way that we could not draw any direct conclusion prior to it. nerdyguy said: I see well the sweet face does remind me of trickery and mouse body agility although the witch's agility sucked big time, it did its surprise attack rather fast.To be frank, I do not know much about the symbol either. It looks like a combination of the "sweet" face and a mouse body. No reference either. I am a Chinese, brought up via chinese culture, so my knowledge of Japanese culture is limited as result. |
Gen Urobuchi said: And now, for the long-awaited defendant's reply - "So, just what was all that about the healing writer Urobuchi"? The truth is, we had talked about concealing the name of the story editor/writer for the pre-publicity materials. But then we had that leak in the spring and our plans were ruined. But even so, the director was looking forward to the surprised reactions of the audience . . . So, I felt it was my fault that everybody could tell what was going to happen, so I took it upon myself to put out this fire and help mislead everyone. I put in a lot of effort, but in the end it totally didn't change anything. Anyway, now it's a huge weight off my shoulders. Everyone, thank you for everything! From now on I will go back to being the regular Urobuchi! From his twitter, after some weeks of trying to say "I will try to make a heartwarming stories"...Good troll, Urobuchi. I am waiting for this troll... |
Athena said: I am wondering why are you thinking like that about her smile, then again it goes back to having strange sensation as to Mami working with Kyubey getting girls to sign the contract and Mami being immortal. It may be even possible that Kyubey granted Mami's wish already since she would have died if it did not happen.Alexstratz said: Please don't let this happen. I subscribe to the 'Mami is evil' idea, for some reason. I just don't like her - and she smiles weirdly sometimes.Mami will probably get resurrected by Madoka's wish. Fullmetal Alchemist proved that you can't bring back the dead without consequences, let's see how it plays out in this show. nerdyguy said: Really? But why would she be that other half? If any other things, I think Mami should be the other half at the very least.Sayonara7 said: I will put aside my very own principles for now (I am going to really myself for it) But I speculate that this will be Madoka's other half, as if Madoka is made up of different fragments of soul. I do remember the reference where Faust said that he is made up of 2 beings (or something like that)Also theres a mysterious girl with a pony tail in the op and ed that we haven't seen yet. http://img821.imageshack.us/i/mysteriousponytailgirl.jpg/[/ur] [url=http://img411.imageshack.us/i/mysteriousponytailgirl.jpg/]http://img411.imageshack.us/i/mysteriousponytailgirl.jpg/Wonder what she'll have to do with things? De-JaY said: I am pretty sure the cheese means Mami, you might have missed this but I certainly though of it, what if the familiar before dying fed all the info he knew about his battle with Mami? Kind of like the Vajras from Macross Frontier.nerdyguy said: IAlso, is anyone fluent in german here? Translate this please, (Google translate is a pain to use): http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/6af906b10f_0.24MB "Ich liebe Käse. Ich will nur Käse. Es gibt nirgends den Käse," = "I love cheese. I only want cheese. The cheese isn't anywhere," De-JaY said: Yeah maybe but they still screwed up the struggle that Faust did with Mephistopheles before he could take his soul. Instead Mami was just frozen to be eaten.Hm... I rather had the feeling that Mami was our Faust in episode 3. Remember her remarks that she's not afraid and not alone anymore? I think having friends was her wish, which got fulfilled at this moment. So that was the moment she had to die. De-JaY said: Well it does to me too.pcube19622 said: Kyubey is the devil (c'mon look at that :3 face... ) lol yeah, exactly Elite60 said: This is what bothers me, Kyubey has no feelings towards the sadness of Madoka and Sayaka. Found something interesting about the ED. Essentially, we see Madoka walking past the shapes of Sayaka, Hitomi, Mami and Homura... Homura turns around raising her hand as if she was trying to call out to Madoka, holding her back. But Madoka starts to run, faster and faster, into the darkness. At the end, in a fast zoomout, we see how Madoka is in the eye of Mephisto, which the following pic proves: |
| I really expected something darker in this series and this episode met it. Liked the Mami pulled off some muskets from her chest. xD I guess no more unlimited musket works from now on. I doubt Madoka will user her wish just to revive Mami. |
Yumekichi11 said: I suspect it could very well be something along these lines as well. However, I could see one possible method of escape:Also I think the games goes like I outline in the spoiler |
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| I had a feeling this series was going to be a bit 'darker' than others, throughout the episode I have a feeling that she may die or something, but I truthfully didn't think it would actually happen. A good episode, I wonder if a wish could bring her back, I guess we'll see what they wish for soon enough. |
| AWEEE there you have it, all you guys who wished that Mahou Shoujo Madoka magica would have a somehow darker side well you wished sooo much that Mami lost her head. Ahhh sad sick world and sad sick Aniplex, things always goes a bit above the diagonal with them just like what a character from LEVEL E said.(not about aniplex but about a character from his own anime...). About earlier post - the cannibalizing pyramid scheme make sense(this would make the opening song sounds creepy!) if you rewind everything that Mami said especially near the end of episode 3 about "not getting the opportunity everyday...& not getting a chance to choose…" and white rat being excited about the soul gem Madoka would produce. Or maybe we are thinking too much and with a little wish we may still have a sweet four magical girl story. |
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| Because Charlotte the witch is so cute, I don't feel as sad as I should over the death of Mami. And because there's a possibility Madoka might just use her wish to revive Mami. I was actually quite perplexed. Kyubey doesn't seem too upset over Mami's death. |
| It started rather well, but SHAFT's usual 'overdramatic-ness' stopped me from truly liking it.It seems they aren't too experienced in handling serious shows. On the good side, we got some nice character development for Madoka and Mami, another cool fight scene and the bgm is as good as ever.Some scenes were 'strangely' animated though.Maybe they're saving money for future fight scenes. |
Urufuzu_reinJan 22, 2011 2:15 PM
| "This Forest isn't going to reveal all its secrets for the likes of you." |
Iisan-kun said: Really? Mami's death scene was one of the least overdramatic thing I have ever seen. Seriously though, the anticlimax and reality of that death was just jaw dropping. I could see no overdrama there. I liked Mami's death scene.It was so unbelievably sudden(almost too sudden).I still think that she should/could have won the fight. There were other things that didn't feel 'right' to me(like the bit when she started crying).Don't mind me.I'm prone to nitpicking lately. |
| "This Forest isn't going to reveal all its secrets for the likes of you." |
| Haven't seen any overdramas there either. But who cares anyway? The show is already way better than for example Bekmono wich was actually above average. |
| レッツゴー ED イケイケゴーゴー |
| Solely based on how happy she was, I was pretty suspicious that she was going to bite it. Although I hadn't expected the whole "Hanging from her head" moment. I literally said out loud "She's too happy, she's going to die isn't she?" Also, I don't trust Kyubey AT ALL. That smile he had was a bit suspicious. |
Gangler said: It's Mahou shojo by SHAFT. Expect the unexpected. I failed. |
| I don't know if Kyuubei is evil. I mean, think about it, if he's truly evil then why didn't Homura go after him after the fight was over instead of just up and leave? Surely she easily could've taken him out after Mami was killed. Plus, it'll be a smart move if Homura's just in it for the rewards since it'll stop Madoka from being turned into a Puella Magi/Mahou Shoujo/Magical Girl/Chicks with Weapons since they say that Madoka could be more powerful than Homura. Of course, Kyuubei isn't good either since it's obvious that he's trying force these girls to make a contract with him. He did it with Mami. It's definitely not something a benevolent being would do. |
| Am I the only one who got the "you deserved it" feeling when Mami died? I was totally "serves you right, that's what happens when you don't listen to warnings and are too overconfident"....Slightly disappointed we didn't see blood. I at least wanted to see the decapitated body as gore fanservice :/ Other than that, the death scene was ok. I was like "score!!" when it happened. Sigh. When will we get SZS OVA ep3 OP-level of attack? And also, I love Kyubey and would like to keep him as my pet. He's so creepily adorable! Kyubey/evil mastermind just makes it better. I'm starting to get annoyed of the female protagonists. I wish the witches will get more characterization. In terms of mahou shoujo though, so far I still prefer Nanoha because Madoka is deviating a bit much on the genre and for some unexplainable evil reasons, I wish they all died horribly. Weird. Didn't have that feeling when I watched Nanoha. Must have been SHAFT's subliminal message/brainwashing/mind-drug that's getting to me. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| By the end of the episode, all I was doing was yelling at the screen "WHAT THE FUCK. WHY. OH MY GOD. -jaws dropped-" I was expecting this series to be a cliched magic girl show, but holy shit. This is not what I was expecting. This series is amazing. Best show this season, no kidding. |
| Great episode. |
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scenco said: By the end of the episode, all I was doing was yelling at the screen "WHAT THE FUCK. WHY. OH MY GOD. -jaws dropped-" I was expecting this series to be a cliched magic girl show, but holy shit. This is not what I was expecting. This series is amazing. Best show this season, no kidding. I was expecting it to be a comedic spoof of the magical girl genre. I guess that's why they're SHAFT. |
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