the hate anime tourists get is kinda crazy !!

@Zarutaku Calendrical age is the stupidest social construct of them all.
It doesn't matter to me what year my daughter was born in, she will always be 8 to me ♡

I've being watching anime for almost 25 years. I must be a "tourist" because I couldn't watch Mushoku Tensei. It was akwardly disgusting.

Which part of "Stop assuming dumb stuff about me" were you unable to comprehend?

If that's the logic, then I would be a tourist, since I'm from the western hemisphere and am a liberal.

You in particular are not doing a good job of proving that point.

Yes, that's what I literally said: It's the fastest way to make people understand why segregation is bad.

@LuxuriousHeart see I've heard the opposite. "tourist" I've mostly seen as Twitter people who are deeply culture-war brained and try to stir up drama despite having next to no interest in the subject matter. this one tends to span both sides of the spectrum


like a good 90% of the twitter posts i see about "woke translators" in video games and anime are mostly tourists. they don't have any interest in whatever work they're actually talking about, and their entire timelines consist of angry culture-war content. 99% of the time, it's obvious they don't even know japanese. it's exhausting.

@kutuya wdym by age is a social construct?

@TheMechaManiac the main problem with arguing about "tokenism" is that it creates a double standard where non-white characters basically have to justify their existence.

i think it's fair to say that nobody likes blatant tokenism, and that tokenism does exist. bad forms of "representation" where but fixating on it in cases where it isn't really relevant means creating a situation where - any time a non-white character has a major role, people have to scream arguments at each other over whether this is a "justified" use of a non-white character or not, whereas few people start arguments over white characters.

basically it isn't fair to anyone involved if you end up creating a standard specifically for non-white characters that they have to pass. has anyone ever argued that a white character is a "token white guy"?

@thewiru You're a Western liberal, but side with the racist anti-woke people. 🤔

That fucking lack of self-awareness.
I guess you're also a tourist at that...

@LuxuriousHeart Who says I'm offended? I'm just pointing out how we don't need all the modern race-swapping, gender-swapping, racial quota nonsense the West does in anime. These days it's more or less just token brownie points for how "progressive" some studios are.
These days, when some writers claim they write people "of color", all they're doing is write surface-level stereotypes. Or they try to co-opt other cultures, like what happened with that Cleopatra debacle. That's unequivocally worse than what we used to get from America not even 20 years ago. Those people pretend like we're still in the Jim Crow era, like people of color are still depicted as only do-no-good lazy bums.

@LuxuriousHeart
...when did I do that?
Could you link to the exact comment?

@Zarutaku A huge amount of undue importance is placed upon calendrical age by the public conscious, especially as it intersects with romance and especially sex (as well as other things), whereas my belief is that mental and especially biological factors are much more important.

@thewiru You've been doing that this entire thread...

@thewiru What ? I just said I don't like it that's it. Anyone can hate something, and I never said people were wrong to like it either. But personnaly ? nope, trash. Not in my library that's all lol I hate harem and ecchi it's my personal taste nothing else.


And did I called anyone a tourist myself ? Nope! Nice try though
Seriously I guess I was right in the end "I'm a tourist cause I don't watch Mushoku Tensei" lmao thanks for confirming the bias!

@Nutella71 I know, it was not clever, insightful, or entertaining. Also you just explained the joke. You should never explained the joke.


Not as far as I know.
I use it because I don't like saying "transgenders", "transexuals" doesn't feel quite right, and "tranny" or "troon" are too derogatory, Japan is all about that respect you know



>implying redditoids are people

if you truly wanted to be respectful you would just refer to us as "trans people" instead of using dehumanizing slurs you took off of 4chan

@fbjim Nah. Most people spouting tourist are the alt-right peeps who like fanservice, and they see Liberals as getting rid of that. Plus, most of them are usually racist and hate brown skin tones.

Though I do agree that a lot of the tourists are those who fit what you and I have described. They're grifters.

it just isn't that deep to me. i don't use social media like twitter, reddit, whatever, so i don't see these "tourists".

i think a lot of people need to learn to tune things out. watch what you wanna watch, enjoy what you want to enjoy. in the end, a "tourist" doesn't effect me when i just don't pay attention to them lol. saying this as someone who reads VNs, which have notoriously dark themes that people cannot grasp without acting dumb. i have no reason to care if they can or can't grasp it as long as i'm just not engaging with them.

@iamsisyphus0000 Are you still gonna say that when they put you in jail for nutting to loli porn? I don't get why people think they can just plead apathy to people trying to rule over their lives, obviously that might not work forever.

@thewiru Because they're underaged? Fuck you mean why would it be wrong? The oversexualization of underaged girls in anime and manga is almost certainly a result of a fetish that cannot be legally realized. There is somebody out there who DOES like underaged girls and is living out their fantasy through the consumption of hentai. That's wrong. You're fueling a fetish that is inherently immoral and illegal.

old enough to remember when all the online anime fans were grumpy dudes accusing all the younger fans who watched kyoani shows of being pedophiles, and constantly complaining that the last good anime was Cowboy Bebop. good times.

@fbjim
The people we call tourists nowadays are either the ideological successors (Or the exact same people) of the "grumpy duded" group.

@thewiru they're 4chan posters from like 2007?

@fbjim
Never saw it firsthand, but from accounts of some people I talked with, it's closer to SomethingAwful posters in ideology.

@LuxuriousHeart
No?
If that was true, you would easily be able to link a single example, yet you are not.

This is a thing you yourself invented.
No one ever said that.

@LSSJ_Gaming Took off of 4chan? I camed up with it myself!

And thanks for not insinuating I use reddit like that other fellow, I don't think I could have restrained my transphobia for much longer if you had done that.

@LuxuriousHeart More baseless generalizations, I didn't know someone could be as stupid as you are, but well, here we are. You keep screaming "muh alt-right" and "muh racism" like a broken record too. It's honestly kinda pathetic at this point.

@thewiru

This quote, saying to learn and follow our ways. Usually said by the anti-woke when people complain about problematic content and/or lack of diversity.



A common statement of the anti-woke, where they complain that the woke are ruining games with forced diversity quotas, criticisms of lolis, etc.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2194782&show=50&msgid=72162407

Siding with the nutjob stating that:



The reply of someone else:


Your reply, which seemingly agrees with the first nutjob:


Those people you pointed out, are usually criticized as woke by the anti-woke.

@thewiru You and your ilk have implied that anti-ecchi people are tourists.

@kutuya You haven't restrained your transphobia. It's very blatant in this thread.

@kutuya

because that isn't going to happen. i have yet to see a single legislator in my country speak on the legality of loli porn or whatever. the only people i see complaining about it are twitterites or tiktoker users who don't go outside or have any effect on the real world anyway. no reason to care when these "tourists" literally have no irl political power lmao

@Tropisch Not as pathetic as your ilk malding over any Western made video game with a muscular woman or a character with brown skin.

Can you elaborate how this is supposed to work? I can't wrap my head around how an anime is supposed to objectify a woman. It's just drawings.



How exactly is pointing out that little girls dress like sluts on Halloween slutshaming? It seems you are confused about what words mean.

@iamsisyphus0000 yeah this is where i'm at. like i can not imagine how exhausting it must be to watch anime and have your first instinct be "i want to yell about politics on the internet". half the right-wingers these days want to ban porn anyway, so i don't know exactly why this is even portrayed as a leftie/righty thing.

@Commit_Crime I love you too.

OT: Just want to super clarify, I don't think most of you are pedophiles, by the way. I just think ya'll have garbage taste. This has been the most civilized discussion I had of Jobless Reincarnation.

@Piromysl I think you misunderstood my point; I do not see how morality of a character is not relevant in many cases to disliking a work in general, which seems to be your overriding philosophy, that a character's moral character is not a valid reason to dislike a show or claim it is poorly written trash. Like...am I supposed to enjoy Velma despite its main character hating men while also myself also being a man? If no, then is it not my morality saying that hatred of men is wrong?

I think the idea that "morality of a character does not matter" does not necessarily hold up in every case, to be honest. Sometimes a work having its character being an asshole is a detriment, especially when its a self-insert. Sometimes it is needed; for example I argue tanya from Youjo Senki being who she is as a person is the point of the series. I think we merely disagree on whether Rudeus is that big an asshat.

@iamsisyphus0000 yeah this is where i'm at. like i can not imagine how exhausting it must be to watch anime and have your first instinct be "i want to yell about politics on the internet". half the right-wingers these days want to ban porn anyway, so i don't know exactly why this is even portrayed as a leftie/righty thing.