Aoi Hana Episode 2 Discussion

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Jul 12, 2009 11:16 PM

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It's so beautiful. Fumi's actually made me tear up a little bit here, and then laugh.

I love Fumi so much, as she's cute without actually being overbearing.

I'm particularly curious as to what happened between Kyouko and Yasuko in the end there that left Kyouko crying. Certainly no word is more appropriate to the show so far than "subtle".

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Jul 12, 2009 11:17 PM

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cereal said:
Its almost like their emplying all girls who go to girls schools swing that way.

I had the same feeling and I feared this would happen when I read "All Girl's School" for the first time but I surely hope it doesn't turn out that way. I kinda want the main relationship to be special and not just one among others. :/

Jul 12, 2009 11:24 PM

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It was an ok episode, we got to see the possible relationships/pairings between the characters, it seems that Fumi did her cousin, Akira doesn't seem like a lesbian (yet), and the backgrounds are still as stunning and I'm digging the op (specially the nude scene...). This series may not be as intense as others this season, but the pacing and the mood fit the series quite well.

Jul 13, 2009 3:42 AM

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Really nice relaxing show so far...I like it. The Fumi x Chizu thing is a little disturbing but that's ok I guess. I'm pretty tolerant of a lot of stuff in anime. Honestly I don't know why I find it disturbing when I more easily tolerated shows like Koi Kaze...maybe I just think Fumi is too cute for something like that to have happened with her. Now that I think about it...there was this one scene in Koi Kaze that did feel wrong...well anyways...great show so far.

Jul 13, 2009 8:04 AM

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I much preferred this episode to the first one as the first episode seemed to focus too much on the past (even though the past seems really integral to the plot).
I really love the way this anime feels like a fairy tale, love so pure that I can't help but to accept their love.
Anyhoo, club switching was fun (surprising cos i wasn't really expecting any much comedy from this anime. literature-->basketball-->drama?) and this should turn out to be a great anime series, since it's not being dragged on and on (11 eps rite?)

Jul 13, 2009 8:17 AM

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Nice episode that introduced some new characters. I'm surprised Chizu and Fumi have had sex - didn't expect them to be that close.

It's great so far. I'm loving the "peaceful feeling" this anime gives me. The pacing is good too - not too slow and not too fast.

Jul 13, 2009 1:03 PM

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God I love this anime. It's so emotional...and it's turning out great <3 It's really sad too..I really can't wait for the next episode. I wanna know why that other girl at the end was crying D; Maybe she got rejected or something? She looked like she was really upset.

Jul 13, 2009 2:05 PM

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Another good slow-paced episode with some comical moments. This show is so peaceful... looking forward to next episode.

Jul 13, 2009 5:12 PM

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So evreone is yuri in this anime ?

Jul 13, 2009 5:32 PM

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izzy92 said:
So evreone is yuri in this anime ?

Watch it and find out.

Btw, people should not confuse platonic with romantic. In Japan, girls are a lot closer to one another at that age. In fact, they might seem to be in love with other girls, but it's a strong sense of camaraderie and sisterhood as opposed to lesbianism. Often anime such as this one depict girl x girl friendships in a romantic way, to hyperbolise the intimacy they share as two women. Doesn't mean off the bat that they want to date other women.

Not that I'm denying that there are girls here in this anime that aren't interested in each other romantically. I'm just saying it's not as much as you would think. People shouldn't just chalk up a deep relationship between two girls as being simply romantic. Some are more complex, as you can love someone a lot and care for them and it never evolves beyond platonic emotion.

Jul 13, 2009 5:54 PM

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@tehnominator: It seems you like to comment a lot in this show.

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Jul 13, 2009 7:48 PM

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Eh, still okay so far. Most of the characters we've met seem to swing "that" way or just really great friends.

Jul 14, 2009 2:21 AM

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I'm liking this show, it's turned out to be better than I thought it would. Don't care for the majority of characters yet, but the two main girls are growing on me.

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Jul 14, 2009 2:25 AM

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I love this show. Honestly I think it is going to make me cry at some point.

Oh, and because I am slow as a sloth, why is Fumi so apalled with the marriage?

Jul 14, 2009 3:02 AM

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Siva said:
@tehnominator: It seems you like to comment a lot in this show.

Is there a rule somewhere saying I can't?

This is the one anime this season meriting discussion. I said my fill in the Queen's Blade forums last season.

Jul 14, 2009 3:09 AM

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tehnominator said:

Siva said:
@tehnominator: It seems you like to comment a lot in this show.

Is there a rule somewhere saying I can't?

anyways, another enjoyable episode.

Jul 14, 2009 5:22 AM

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tehnominator said:

Siva said:
@tehnominator: It seems you like to comment a lot in this show.

Is there a rule somewhere saying I can't?

This is the one anime this season meriting discussion. I said my fill in the Queen's Blade forums last season.

Well I didn't mean it in a bad way. Actually I love your comments in this post so far and it really help me a lot to understand the little details in the show. As for a manga reader, you really did a great job with your explanation without spoiling us. So yeah, keep up your good work.

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Jul 14, 2009 8:19 AM

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tehnominator said:
Btw, people should not confuse platonic with romantic.
Not that I'm denying that there are girls here in this anime that aren't interested in each other romantically. I'm just saying it's not as much as you would think. People shouldn't just chalk up a deep relationship between two girls as being simply romantic. Some are more complex, as you can love someone a lot and care for them and it never evolves beyond platonic emotion.

There's no need to worry about that. Aoi Hana is not ambiguous about relationships. If it's friendship, it'll be shown as friendship, if it's romantic, it'll be shown as romantic. For example Fumi and Akira are just friends at this point; Fumi and Chizu, on the other hand, had a romantic relationship, and they even used to have sex. About Fumi and Yasuko... well, you'll know in the next few episodes.

1idd0kunJul 14, 2009 9:45 AM

Jul 14, 2009 8:53 AM

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1idd0kun said:

There's no need to worry about that. Aoi Hana is not ambiguous about relationships. If it's friendship, it'll be shown as friendship, if it's romantic, it'll be shown as romantic. For example Fumi and Akira are just friends at this point; Fumi and Chizu, on the other hand, had a romantic relationship, and they even used to have sex. .

I surely wouldn't worry, seeing as how I've read all the way up to volume 4 already.

And Aoi Hana is certainly ambiguous about that. Perhaps not so much in the anime, but very much so in the manga when other characters are introduced. It just so happens that unlike other yuri anime that retain that ambiguity till its death bed, Aoi Hana eventually develops the questionable relationships into platonic and romantic sects.

But that wasn't the point of that, it was an explanation as to why it isn't right to misconceive two girls hugging and crying and supporting one another as a sign of, "All right, let's get it on."

1idd0kun said:
(I don't want to spoil one of the best things this series has to offer ^^)

By saying that, you have just turned what could have been an offhand statement into a spoiler :/

tehnominatorJul 14, 2009 10:14 AM

Jul 14, 2009 9:43 AM

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tehnominator said:
And Aoi Hana is certainly ambiguous about that. Perhaps not so much in the anime, but very much so in the manga when other characters are introduced. It just so happens that unlike other yuri anime that retain that ambiguity till its death bed, Aoi Hana eventually develops the questionable relationships into platonic and romantic sects.

That's pretty subjective there. Aoi Hana may come across as ambiguous if you approach the series in the same way you do with moe anime like Saki or Kanamemo, which includes "yuri" as one of many fetishes, and therefore needs to keep it ambiguous. But Aoi Hana is published as a GL manga, and it even discusses the concept of being attracted to the same gender in the context of sexuality, which is pretty rare, even among yuri manga.

If I approach Aoi Hana with that in mind, then the "ambiguity" you talk about isn't ambiguity at all, but just the normal building up of a relationship. I mean, you wouldn't date, or even be friends with someone until you get to know each other. So there's a need to build up the relationship until the bond can be defined. But IMO that's different from ambiguity.

tehnominator said:
But that wasn't the point of that, it was an explanation as to why it isn't right to misconceive two girls hugging and crying and supporting one another as a sign of, "All right, let's get it on."

Did anyone say something like that? Still, if that's the case, the best advice would be to wait for the relationships to define themselves instead of trying to guess needlessly. Then again, speculating is fun, so you probably shouldn't worry about people thinking the whole cast is gay. The series itself will take care of prove them wrong or right.

tehnominator said:
By saying that, you have just turned what could have been an offhand statement into a spoiler :/

You're right, so I'll edit my post. Can you edit yours too, please?

1idd0kunJul 14, 2009 10:06 AM

Jul 14, 2009 10:23 AM

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1idd0kun said:

If I approach Aoi Hana with that in mind, then the "ambiguity" you talk about isn't ambiguity at all, but just the normal building up of a relationship. I mean, you wouldn't date, or even be friends with someone until you get to know each other. So there's a need to build up the relationship until the bond can be defined. But IMO that's different from ambiguity.

Yes, but I have been coming across too many comments from people who think this is going to be another Strawberry Panic or Maria-sama ga Miteru, when it clearly is not. The mention of the ambiguity and the platonic nature of relationships was to inform those who think that "all girls? They must be all gay!" (a la, Strawberry Panic fans) that such isn't the case. As aforementioned, there's a lot of girls' love anime and manga where it's just on the friendly or "as a person" side and not in the sexual or romantic side.

But I see this series doing much more for intelligent, non-fanservice yuri because it actually features the characters coming to terms with their attraction for women. Which makes it a lot better in some ways than Marimite, in which you can assume that several characters are lesbians when in actuality, it's only one, and she only ever acknowledged her feelings for one woman and not several.

Plus, it's probably the only yuri anime out there where the characters are developing realistically, and I wonder if yuri fans would be turned off by lack of love confessions and blushing and the usual tropes. Although on the plus side, this series can open itself up for fans of other genres, as the themes are being handled in a classy, mature manner that is least likely to offend and most likely to get people to sympathise.

Jul 14, 2009 11:48 AM

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@tehnominator: Well I thought you took some of those few comments too serious into your account. But I don't think everyone have the same thought or the same view. I am not saying you are wrong but you can't put a blame on them either. The way they see and understand from the anime about the yuri thing is not wrong. Well you know some people like to jump into conclusion with one or two things in their mind. And you know this anime labeled as yuri, so you can stop them from posting that kind of comments.

Personally, I doubt if Akira even has any feeling for someone yet. She wasn't even serious when she talked about Kyouko would have a feeling for her. As for Fumi, well what can I say right now she is just trying to runway from the fact and I can't really say that she has a feeling for Yasuko yet. And the rest of the characters are still too early to say anything about them while we don't even know what is going on yet.

About Strawberry Panic and Maimite, I won't lie that I watch Strawberry Panic for its yuri but I don't know if you can really have anything much to talk about yuri in Marimite.

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Jul 14, 2009 2:03 PM

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@Siva:

It's not a matter of blame, it's a matter of letting people know that this isn't an all-lesbian anime. It's primarily a slice of life anime with strong yuri elements to it. More realistic than those other yuri anime where everyone is practically gay therefore it makes any real issues of sexuality dissipate because you can't righteously take something so fantastical seriously.

You are misinterpreting all my comments, they are not condemning a viewer for expecting such and such, it's a warning for them that if they want some other type of yuri, then this anime is not for them.

Jul 14, 2009 9:29 PM

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I am gobsmacked by the way in which this conversation is being held. Reading it has actually made me appreciate Aoi Hana for its subtly and realistic aspects to life even mores-so than I already had at the start.

As for the episode, I loved the interactions between Akira and Fumi. You can really feel their friendship in how they speak and react to one another. The anime itself seems to have every single element I look for in an anime all combined into one show, and they do a damn good job with it at that. Although my computer has trouble playing .mkv , I do approve of Koharubi's subbing job so far.

Most definitely looking forward to the next episode!

Jul 15, 2009 3:34 AM

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ShellySaurus said:
Although my computer has trouble playing .mkv , I do approve of Koharubi's subbing job so far.

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Jul 15, 2009 6:24 AM

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Shoujo Ai just doesnt fit me, im ok with girls having their own opinions i hu they like but ... god, maybe its because my fren watches these kinds of anime that he thinks im gay cause im in a boy school =/

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Jul 15, 2009 10:07 AM

#47

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cereal said:
Its almost like their emplying all girls who go to girls schools swing that way.

That. xD

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Jul 16, 2009 8:14 AM

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@_@ Still in heaven.

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Jul 18, 2009 9:08 PM

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I'm not liking this anime. It's starting off weak and should get better by the 4th episode or drop it goes.

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Jul 18, 2009 9:20 PM

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Oh well, at least this isn't as slow as White Album- which is impossible because W.A is the king of slowness.

Jul 18, 2009 10:54 PM

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The pace of this show its OK, but nothing atractive to me on this, I can see where the romance is going and most of us knows hows gonna be the posible pairings. Kinda Meh, Im staying untill I see where this is going.

Also thats JCStaff studios for you with the animation. Really nice.

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Jul 19, 2009 5:51 PM

#52

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The girl w/ short hair that Fumi met looks like a perfect "prince" character. xD

Jul 19, 2009 9:12 PM

#53

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Hmm cant wait for ep 3 to see why she was crying! its good fumi gets to see akira around school.

Jul 20, 2009 10:42 PM

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I totally liked this episode, and it’s much better than the first one since the pacing is perfect. The relationships are not there yet, but this episode is slow and relaxing in a good way until we wait for the characters feel ready for it. Fumi is very cute.

Jul 22, 2009 10:08 AM

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It was an alright episode. I loved the artwork as usual. I'm not a big fan of yuri animes, but this is somewhat good. I hope I won't have to drop this one.

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Jul 24, 2009 5:13 AM

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Horie Yui's character is very lady-like/adult-like, unlike other characters she did.

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Jul 30, 2009 6:39 AM

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tsubasalover said:
Horie Yui's character is very lady-like/adult-like, unlike other characters she did.

I agree! I wondered for a minute if this was Minorin and thought, "Wow, she really can pull off a non-energetic, non-cute, grown-up voice!"

Anyway, nice episode again. I agree with a lot of what tehnominator is saying. I really don't think that there are many lesbians in this anime. I only think there is one, to be honest, and that's Fumi.

I'm with stupid.

Aug 9, 2009 6:37 PM

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Aug 18, 2009 10:14 AM

#59

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I'm MUCH more into this episode than I was the first one. So much surprised me.

cereal said:
Its almost like their emplying all girls who go to girls schools swing that way.

I agree and this kind of bothers me about the series. I hope some of the characters are straight and I'd like to see a male or two other than just the brother. lol.

Aug 24, 2009 4:28 AM

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ExquisiteDefect said:
I'm MUCH more into this episode than I was the first one. So much surprised me.

cereal said:
Its almost like their emplying all girls who go to girls schools swing that way.

I agree and this kind of bothers me about the series. I hope some of the characters are straight and I'd like to see a male or two other than just the brother. lol.

Seems like I'll have to give another tl;dr rant of an explanation here.

They are not implying that all girls who go to girls' schools swing that way at all. In fact, let us use our fingers to count.

How many girls swing "that way" as of episode two?

1. Fumi
2. Kyouko
3. Yasuko...?

Hoo boy, three out of like five hundred girls, I'm sure.

The series is focussed on the life of a lesbian school girl. So it'd make sense that most of the people she'd form important bonds with are people like herself or people who are sympathetic to that.

Just because the girls seem extra friendly with one another is not an implication of sexuality. It's admiration, it's sisterhood, it's friendliness. I don't know why when people see two women together in anime, people assume something about them.

It's a matter of culture. In Japan, in those girls' schools, it's not uncommon for girls to be that friendly with one another or to even look like they have crushes on other girls. They call that Class S relationships, in which it isn't sexual but it's romantic. You can be romantic with someone and not sexually or emotionally desire them or want them to be your girlfriend.

In the West, for some reason, we crudely like to ignore the varying feelings people have for one another. So if a boy likes to hold hands with another one of his guy friends because he feels comfortable or he loves him, we immediately call them fags and proceed to terrorise them. Or we assume they're in a relationship. Which is why guys can't hold one another's hands EVER even if they're just friends.

With girls, you see that there is an ease and comfort amongst them.

Most of you who are commenting on how gay everything seems to be have all turned out to be:

1. guys
2. young
3. people who don't know any homosexuals in real life
4. people who have never went to/do not know a thing about girls' schools outside of anime and possibly pornography

So as someone who has gone to one, let me make it clear: that is quite normal. In fact, we got a lot of people assuming the girls are lesbians from girls' schools simply because we hang off of one another, or hug one another openly and give each other chocolates for Valentine's Day. It's very normal to see the girls screaming and fangirling over the sporty girls during practice.

And as for those who engaged in same-sex relationships, they tended to gravitate to one another. Most of my friends were bisexuals, for example, and I noticed that every other new friend we made turned out to be bisexual or experimented with girls at some point. It's a matter of attraction, and people with similar sexual orientations tend to attract those like themselves. Sort of like how all the promiscuous girls tend to be friends with other promiscuous girls--they like sex and they gravitated to one another because they had that in common.

It's not like they said, "Let's look for all bisexuals!" or "Let's form a Promiscuous Girl Club!" No. Like in nature, how animals tend to herd together, in society, people unconsciously group together as well.

So Fumi meeting Yasuko and by extension Kyouko who are also girls who like other girls is not contrived. It is in fact so normal, I couldn't even be bothered with paying it any attention. Until you folks brought it up as a "problem".

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I hope some of the characters are straight and I'd like to see a male or two other than just the brother. lol.

I don't understand your logic. Would you have watched an anime like Clannad or Toradora and say, "Man, I wish some of the characters were gay." You wouldn't. Why do that here?

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Aug 28, 2009 8:33 AM

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tehnominator said:
I don't understand your logic. Would you have watched an anime like Clannad or Toradora and say, "Man, I wish some of the characters were gay." You wouldn't. Why do that here?

I would do, that, though. I feel that both heterosexuality and homosexuality should be represented equally in every type of series, not just in anime. :) That's my personal preference. I don't expect anyone to agree or disagree with me.

Sep 23, 2009 9:36 AM

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I love the relaxing atmosphere of this anime. It's so easy and enjoyable to watch :D If this keeps up maybe it'll get a 10 from me o_o

Dec 20, 2009 8:42 AM

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Slow and steady pace can understand why Fumi feels the way she does about Chizu more now.

May 9, 2010 5:51 PM

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wow, this anime is sooo cute.
and i feel bad for fumi-chan, oh D:
- and sex scene was shocking... ._.

Jun 21, 2010 12:21 PM

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Nim said:
Did I sleep while watching this episode? Which sex scene are all of you talking about?

The sex-scene appears like a flash-back, when Ah-chan sleeps over at Fumi-chans place.^^

Thought it was hilarious, when Fumi-chan should join the basketball club!!XD HAHA!! That's just so not her^^!!XD I'm really looking forward to see her play it XD
I really like the flow of this anime too^^

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Jul 28, 2010 3:47 AM

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Hmm this ep was pretty boring.. I mean nothing special happend imo. I hope the next ep is gonna be better because I was expecting more of this anime.. Don't want to feel dissapointed.

Aug 11, 2010 5:11 AM

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How can you say this was boring? It was obvious from the first episode that Fumi-chan really liked her cousin. And we found out that Chizuru took that oh so sweet lesbian cherry of Fumi's. Chizu was fumi's first so it makes sense that she is in love with her. But of course its one sided and forbidden so it was never ment to be. This was what the main point of this episode. It's cute how Fumi is so shy and cries all the time. See a little bit of myself in Fumi chan (not in 'that' sense btw).

Fumi's broken heart, i really feel for her. I know A-chan will mend it perfectly, all that I cant' wait for is the roller coaster ride between to long lost lovers.

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Dec 24, 2010 1:42 PM

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I didn't actually get that... "Sex scene".

Nice episode.

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this show is very relaxing. Nothing too over the top

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O how Hourou Musuko-like

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I love this calm atmosphere

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They CAN do some things right

The simplistic watercolour backgrounds and designs really complement the realistic, quiet ambience. I needed this after watching WataMote with all its shenanigans and Planetes with all its annoying shouting and shit.

So that WAS a sex scene and it WAS real. No wonder. I thought Fumi was just immensely attached to her cousin, but I guess there was something else going on before. Nice to know that even that flashback was a very subtle one. This is living up to my expectations so far (unlike Planetes).

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