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| Does Gekkougahara even count in the body count? |
Uchiha_Shadow said: Does Gekkougahara even count in the body count? I think she counts, yeah. TheLittleRedHero said: In season 1 of the anime, they never actually showed this scene from what I remember (hence I haven't really played the first game so anyone can confirm me on this if the scene was in the first game? And well... I guess I would get attacked for asking this question), but it was a pretty nice touch to the point where it gave a bit of a slim flashback between Kirigiri and Naegi, it was pretty nice to show around. I assume this is to showcase that Naegi only has his hope, and of course I guess that's when she started to understand him a bit. It is from the first game! I don't remember it being on the first anime or not tho. But, it is from the game and was really really sweet ç-ç |
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| Damn Chisa is a really cruel despair. Playing with the kids just to butcher them and smile about it. |
| save kirigiri fams :(( |
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| OK, so here are the truth bullets of the episode! - Survivor count: 6 people are still alive. At the very least, we know that Naegi, Asahina, Mitarai and Munakata are among them. - Tengan's reasoning: every participant in the Final Killing Game is an attacker, even Naegi, Sakakura, Yukizome or himself. - Kirigiri's notebook: Asahina found Kirigiri's notebook and read its content. She rushed to where Naegi was, claiming that thanks to Kirigiri's investigation, she and Mitarai figured out who "the attacker" is. - Despair Yukizome: she was confirmed as a Remnant of Despair, as she was the culprit of a recent series of murder on children. She seems to have been able to conceal her true allegiance. - Mitarai's NG code: it is the only one which is unknown. Let's solve the last mysteries, guys! |
TheLittleRedHero said: taynis said: I think she counts, yeah. It is from the first game! I don't remember it being on the first anime or not tho. But, it is from the game and was really really sweet ç-ç This may be just a guess, but I assume maybe chapter 5-6 or something of the first game...? Hmm. Just asking because for me it seemed more around those numbers. It's the start of chapter 6 of the first game :) |
| @Manecleis Let's do it! About Kirigiri's notebook: Maybe there is nothing bad about Mitarai there since he was not really concerned about it...but who knows XD About Tengan: It is possible that he knew about the attacker thing because he was once one of them? About the counting: Hagakure is alive too, I don't know if he is being counted too, but anyway... |
taynisSep 12, 2016 9:49 AM
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| Wow this is just like a farewell from Kirigiri, well i'll be ready if Kirigiri stays dead ;; About the counting... let see Naegi, Asahina, Mitarai and Munakata... how about two others? Hagakure didn't count... i think... he is pretty much forgotten that's for sure. Sakakura and Kirigiri? I doubt it since Sakakura is pretty much stabbed (can he keep alive after that?) and Kirigiri is (based on this ep.) confirmed dead too, so who is the other two?. Im confused about Tengan's confession for saying everyone is the traitor and Asahina is saying she knows who the traitor... so they're not reaching the same conclusion? or Tengan is just being sarcastic? and also last part the ship... i hope everything is answered. |
roppuriSep 12, 2016 9:53 AM
| This episode was good. tho i hope kirigiri will get revived. plzzzz |
| Okay, if after all this, Kyoko turns out to be alive, I'll seriously flip tables. Yukizome committing that massacre made me so uncomfortable. |
| Things is not looking good for Despair Arc with Chisa confirmed an Ultimate Despair. |
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| "I know who the attacker is" *episode ends* UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OKAY. ALSO WAS THERE A SHIP >LEAVING< JABBERWOCK ISLAND? OH MY GOD. OH MY GODNAIG8WFSHDOJXKZLSDF |
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TheLittleRedHero said: kawaii-despair said: So what did we learn from this borng and tearful episode? Tengan said it's not just one attacker tho that was already speculated million of times. But if that's true, why does all the victims have similar deaths? And then Asahina comes with "I know who the attacker is!!" assuming it's only one. Nice cliffhanger,you're screwed Munakata. I bet his ass did it. Tho I take back what I said a while ago,I'll forgive Munakata for killing his boyfriend for the true tears this ep,maybe. Chisa did fell into despair, what a shock. thx shitty brainwashing thing. Pls I wanna see Hinata, stop messing with our needs Kodaka There's a confliction I'm having with the entire thing Tengan said, and then what Kyouko had as evidence. It maybe just how Tengan worded it. Maybe its just everyone doubting each other, hence then wanting to attack each other, but there's an actual killer going around still. It's just weird. Maybe Tengan meant anyone could be an attacker seeing what untrusty assholes Future Fundation has. Anyone can be evil,even Naegi or Chisa. But then Kirigiri has her own theories,and maybe she has the name of that one attacker who did the 3 similar killings aka Chisa,Great Bro and Seiko imo. |
silverwalls said: i wonder if what tengan said means that the victims were brainwashed and then killed themselves.. that theory has been going for a while and it would make most sense. That would explain why Ruruka's death was so brutal. She was feeling guilty for betraying and killing Izayoi, so she mutilated herself, ate her candies and killed herself. |
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_AnimeLover__ said: Manecleis said: You do not have to believe him literally, what he means about the attacker is completely different from what you want to know@taynis My first concern is the discrepancy between Tengan's reasoning and Asahina's deduction. The former claims everyone is an attacker when the latter seems to suggest that one person is the killer. Is it possible that these two claims do not contradict each other? In other words, what Tengan meant was that the simple fact of taking part in this killing game equates to being an attacker, at various degrees? |
Manecleis said: @taynis My first concern is the discrepancy between Tengan's reasoning and Asahina's deduction. The former claims everyone is an attacker when the latter seems to suggest that one person is the killer. Is it possible that these two claims do not contradict each other? Exactly my problem. I went back to see if maybe it was a mistranslation, but no, they use the same words, so they are talking about the same thing. Maybe we are just overthinking and Asahina is going to reveal exactly what Munakata knows but with more insight from Kirigiri... Manecleis said: _AnimeLover__ said: You do not have to believe him literally, what he means about the attacker is completely different from what you want to know In other words, what Tengan meant was that the simple fact of taking part in this killing game equates to being an attacker, at various degrees? Yeah, it could totally mean something like that and he would get way with the "no lying" rule. (I have a problem with this lying thing since the beginning tho. Like, if I say to you I have a black dog called Bill and you go and tell your friend that. Mind you, I was lying, but can someone call you a liar? You believed me. So, if you had this NG Code, would you have died? Or that doesn't count as lying? o-o Not that this has something to do with the matter at hand, just a random thought XD) |
taynisSep 12, 2016 10:22 AM
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TheLittleRedHero said: In season 1 of the anime, they never actually showed this scene from what I remember (hence I haven't really played the first game so anyone can confirm me on this if the scene was in the first game? And well... I guess I would get attacked for asking this question), but it was a pretty nice touch to the point where it gave a bit of a slim flashback between Kirigiri and Naegi, it was pretty nice to show around. I assume this is to showcase that Naegi only has his hope, and of course I guess that's when she started to understand him a bit. It was in the first anime. Of course the scene was drawn in a slightly different way, but after that I remember seeing the forums flooded with Kyoko´s fan art fancing a cup ramen. Also, lots of gifs of her getting ut of the trash (she was....very elastic) Manecleis said: @taynis My first concern is the discrepancy between Tengan's reasoning and Asahina's deduction. The former claims everyone is an attacker when the latter seems to suggest that one person is the killer. Is it possible that these two claims do not contradict each other? Aren´t able to watch the episode completely so i´m just guessing from what you are saying. We aren´t sure how this game works. The bodies weren´t really damaged, but then someone stabbed the victim with the dagger. Remember when Tengan woke up and didn´t seem that worried? Even Kirigiri commented on it. |
taynis said: About the counting: Hagakure is alive too, I don't know if he is being counted too, but anyway... He doesn't have that bracelet right? So, he can't be counted in the game maybe. |
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| Dammit cliffhanger. Would be interesting to see how Tengen's claim and Asahina's discovery connect with each other. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
It is also in the anime episode 11. You just didn't care about that scene back then probably. |
| When the episode was out I was hypying like crazy, like I was even nervous XD Loved to see one of the scenes of the first Dangaronpa game, when Naegi was in the underground trash SO NAEGIRI WAS OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED (and excuse me if I didn't notice it was confirmed waaay back in the game but I saw it just as one of the fandom's ships) but the ship already sank because Kirigiri is dead OTL I swear that star-crossed lovers' tragic stories always make me cry... Naegi and Kirigiri's one isn't an exception... I also didn't quite get what Tengan told Munakata, but as some people say, maybe he was talking in a more metaphorical sense, I guess (?) Loved how Naegi "Sore wa chigau yo"-ed Munakata hahaha I agree that Munakata's hope wasn't the right one. Also, Chisa really became a remnant of despair after all... Damn she pretended pretty well all this time then (she should be renamed as the Ultimate Actress lol). Could she really be the one that kills Chiaki in the end? Guess we'll have to wait until Thursday for that. And lastly... Kodaka, why u show Jabberwock Island if u ain't showing us our SDR2 babies??? This is playing dirty. PD. Now that I was thinking... what happened to Togami and Hagakure? |
| @taynis It's possible that there is no straight-up answer in Kirigiri's notebook, only decisive clues that have been misinterpreted by Asahina. She's not the sharpest tool in the shed as far as detective work, and she could have easily made a deduction error. Plus, I'm still suspicious of Mitarai, but I don't know what his involvment in the incident is. @Dreams_of_Neko I thought of this Tengan scene as well. After the second sleeping period (the victim was Great Gozu), he indeed did not appear to be surprised that they survived. Did he somehow know beforehand that they were alive? |
| What we know so far : - The Final Killing Game's cast has been concealed under the sea in a different but yet similar place than the Foundation Future's basement which collapsed onto Togami and his rescue team : How are they supposed to get out of this place ? How did they enter in it in the first place ? - Yukizome Chisa, the first victim, who died was actually one of the remnants of despair, unless there's a Danganronpa 1 like trick, I would like to say it's safe to assume that she really died since the survivors countdown decreased from episode 1 to episode 2. Her NG Code was not having Munakata die. But who killed her ? Did she kill herself ? - Bandai Daisaku was black so he had no choice but to be one of the first to die. His NG Code was not witnessing violence. - Great Gozu was the second attacker's victim, why did they need to take such efforts to make this murder scene anyway ? His NG Code was getting pinned down to the ground for a three count. - Based on what Tengan told Munakata, there are more than only one attacker, so what does attacker means in this context ? His NG Code was answering a question with a lie so we can't doubt what he said is true, however I don't think we should take what he said literally. He got killed by a mad Munakata. - Izayoi was killed by Ruruka who made him eat a sweet, thus triggering his bracelet into injecting poison onto his body. She later used a knife found on Seiko body to make it look like he was murdered by the attacker. - Kimura was the attacker's third victim, her NG Code was letting anyone walking on her shadow. I have no idea why they needed to put the victims' body attached on candles or walls instead of letting them laying on the floor, but it may not be important. Maybe could it be some signature which'd mean the attacker really is different each time ? - Kizakura's NG Code was opening his left hand. No need to say I think his death was useless. But meh it's just my opinion. - Gekkougahara Miaya was actually a remote-controled robot used by LiL' Monaca until she gave up on lurking the game. The real Gekkougahara-san was killed by Monaca before the game even began. It got cut in two halves by Munakata while it was in automatic mode. Its brain countains all NG Codes. Its was turning to the right, but I don't really think poison could kill a robot. - Sakakura's NG Code is fighting barehanded, we have no confirmation about him dying so we can assume he actually is the one who survived in the previous episode's hecatomb. - Ruruka Ando's NG Code was letting anyone escape, which explains her actions as to why she killed Izayoi and Kizakura. The attacker killed her in a brutal way, she is actually the only one laying on the floor as she died, rip. - Kirigiri died because her NG Code was passing the fourth time limit with Naegi Makoto alive, thus letting her fans crying the saltiest tears. She apparently has left some book behind her to let Makoto finding out who the attacker is. But I wonder.. Did she really have that book with her in the first place ? Why did she left it instead of just telling Makoto and the others ? Isn't it a trap left by the mastermind to lead the survivors in the wrong path ? You know, Monokuma's done the same thing when Sakura committed suicide to trick Asahina into killing herself and her classmates. - It was revealed Munakata's NG Code is opening a door, we knew it since episode 2 anyway xD - Makoto's NG Code is running in the hallways, Asahina's is getting hit by a kick or a punch. We don't know which is Mitarai's yet. - Also, the last mystery is why Monokuma doesn't show himself as a robotic teddy bear like he did in the two previous games ? Is he too lazy or is there a reason ? |
Manecleis said: OK, so here are the truth bullets of the episode! - Survivor count: 6 people are still alive. At the very least, we know that Naegi, Asahina, Mitarai and Munakata are among them. - Tengan's reasoning: every participant in the Final Killing Game is an attacker, even Naegi, Sakakura, Yukizome or himself. - Kirigiri's notebook: Asahina found Kirigiri's notebook and read its content. She rushed to where Naegi was, claiming that thanks to Kirigiri's investigation, she and Mitarai figured out who "the attacker" is. - Despair Yukizome: she was confirmed as a Remnant of Despair, as she was the culprit of a recent series of murder on children. She seems to have been able to conceal her true allegiance. - Mitarai's NG code: it is the only one which is unknown. Let's solve the last mysteries, guys! 1. Kirigiri might have survived by drinking the Ultimate Pharmacist's cure before being poisoned. It is possible that the cure only starts acting up after first symptoms of the poison kick in. Sakakura might have survived thanks to Munakata's sword as its heat may have closed the wounds. And it is possible that the actual culprit is hiding somewhere or just pretending to be dead 2. Tengan's "You could say..." means his words should not be taken at face values. You could also say that Sonia killed Saionji in SDR2 due to telling her where to find a large mirror. The more interesting question is: why did he word it like that? Is he maybe one of actual Despairs whose goal was to turn Munakata into a homicidal maniac? Because that is what his words caused. 3. The notebook contains clues, and MAYBE a solution, to this whole mystery. But I doubt that it is a solution, that's probably just Asahina jumping in front of the train again. Basically, to the watcher this means "You have enough clues to solve the mystery, so do it before the next ep" 4. Yep, we knew she was a Despair since the lats ep of the Despair arc 5. My personal theory is that his NG code is "Kill someone at the end of each turn". He uses that phone of his, that he always keeps in his hands, to check the surveillances, wake up his victim and play the videos on the monitors. Funnily enough, that would make the game's rules fair and Munakata's scenario can't happen This would also make Tengan's words more truthful: everyone kills themselves or they kill someone else. Thus, everyone is technically the culprit as they gave in to despair in one way or another, even though the actual Despair was the first to die. |
NayraelSep 12, 2016 10:28 AM
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| I think that we can safely say that the attacker isn't Neagi, Asahina, Ryota or Munakata. Asahina wouldn't have walked in and stated she knows who the murder is. If it was Ryota, she wouldn't have been able to get the notebook to Neagi and Munakata anyway. I'm talking about the murderer in Kirigiri's notebook btw. What Tengan said was a bit too cryptic to be taken at face value. It's likely some kind of half-truth. Which makes Tengan is bit more suspicious. I'm still leaning towards Kirigiri being alive, though Juzo is also a posibility, but everything is possible. It's just that the counter says 6 instead of 4. And while it has been 1 off for a while, it's 2 off now. I really liked Neagi in this episode. It was really obvious how much he was hurting, and that he really was afraid of plowing on. But he did it anyway, because Kirigiri and Asahina were counting on him. That battle with Munakata shows just how intelligent Neagi is, with the talk afterward showcasing his empathy. While Munakata did do a lot of unforgivable shit, he was lead to believe that everyone was despair (And we know that Chisa, the most important person, really was one. And he knew this too). You'll have to remember that 'despair' basicly destroyed the world and killed off millions at the very least. What would you do if you find out your co-workers turned out to be basicly Hitler? |
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Manecleis said: @Dreams_of_Neko I thought of this Tengan scene as well. After the second sleeping period (the victim was Great Gozu), he indeed did not appear to be surprised that they survived. Did he somehow know beforehand that they were alive? For me it gave the impression that in this game wasn´t supposed to be any killing, but then the victims had their hearts pierced. Not sure if the daggers were part of the plan or not. Ah, but I noticed some differences in the details of some episodes. Give me 5 minutes to upload them. I still can´t pinpoint the reason behind them. |
EtoileSosso said: - The Final Killing Game's cast has been concealed under the sea in a different but yet similar place than the Foundation Future's basement which collapsed onto Togami and his rescue team : How are they supposed to get out of this place ? How did they enter in it in the first place ? I want to add something to it: The one who built the FF's headquarters was Munakata. So he knew about the underwater building as well. It doesn't mean he was the only one who knew it tho. He could have revealed it to someone, like Chisa or Tengan (Sakakura seemed really surprised when he found out they were under the sea, so I guess he didn't know) |
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EtoileSosso said: What we know so far : - Did she really have that book with her in the first place ? Why did she left it instead of just telling Makoto and the others ? Isn't it a trap left by the mastermind to lead the survivors in the wrong path ? Yup. It was shown a lot of times actually.  |
Oh well, I guess I didn't pay much attention to it then xD |
Manecleis said: @taynis My first concern is the discrepancy between Tengan's reasoning and Asahina's deduction. The former claims everyone is an attacker when the latter seems to suggest that one person is the killer. Is it possible that these two claims do not contradict each other? Yes, it is possible. If killer is chosen, by some kind of rule, then by knowing what is that rule, you can predict who will be chosen as next attacker. |
| JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! How do you end an episode like that? Kodaka, you bastard! So Chisa is confirmed to be an Ultimate Despair... poor Chiaki, nothing good can come of this. So there is not only one attacker, huh? That's a bit confusing to be honest, I hope they elaborate more next episode. But Tengan wasn't an attacker, since he admitted he wasn't a member of UD. But who was and is a Remnant of Despair inside the building? And what is that 6 at the beginning of the episode? Could it be that Juzo, or maybe Kirigiri, is stil alive? Because there were 9 survivors last episode, and 2 definitely died, and between Kyouko and Juzo one died for real. And what was that boat at the end of the episode? Did Hinata and the others defeat the fleet? Who is in that boat? And what are the planning to do? Something good, or something evil? By the looks of it it may not be something really positive... oh man, please Kodaka, are you really going to ruin the ending of SDR2? Man, so many questions left unanswered. I hope everything is answered in the next episode... oh man, I can't wait. |
TheLittleRedHero said: That question... I... really don't know if I find out about that. I would be shocked. Yep, as was Munakata. Unlike you (I assume), Munakata was already used to fighting what was for him 'basicly Hitler'. So he dealed with the situation the only way I thought he could. By murdering any despair, he would have likely killed himself if he was the last one standing. The only kill I found unforgivable was Juzo (Even if we don't know for sure he's dead, Munakata still tried to do that). |
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| So, where Munakata got that photos of Chisa? o-o Not saying this will be really relevant for the final mystery, but it bugs me anyway XD |
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taynis said: So, where Munakata got that photos of Chisa? o-o Not saying this will be really relevant for the final mystery, but it bugs me anyway XD Either 1# On Chisa's body 2# The mastermind or killer placed them somewhere he'd find them. The second one is more likely, especially if the goal was to push Munakata further into despair. |
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