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MarthX said: francismeunier said: MarthX said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ----------------------------------------  She's finally here. It's time to get crazy! No sorry I don't like her. I have questions because this series confuses. This is not Eva but then why she is Eva Beatrice? I also want to know if Battler will become Battler Virgilia to beat that Eva Beatrice? I have serious problem of seeing Maria being like that dead and I also wish to know what killed her? OmegaDenmad said: Does Battler have to smack a witch? Yes liked that very much. Eva Beatrice is Eva. A younger version of Eva. How Maria died? If you look at her neck, it looks like strangulation. The VN says this too. The cause of death was strangulation. Probably by bare hands. Ok but the younger version Eva is actually Eva herself or illusion? Strangulation? It was not shown well at all. That hurt deep down in heart. I always though Maria was most innocent but also why Beatrice did not keep her promise is most confusing for me. |
 In spoiler my anime list for now. |
| When Eva solved the epitaph, she succeeded Beatrice. She's the new Beatrice. The ceremony is now all about her. The old Beato is no longer in control of it. It's pretty obvious that Beato likes Maria and gives her special care. Eva Beatrice doesn't give a damn about her and has no problem killing her off. |
francismeunier said: MarthX said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- She's finally here. It's time to get crazy! No sorry I don't like her. I have questions because this series confuses. This is not Eva but then why she is Eva Beatrice? I also want to know if Battler will become Battler Virgilia to beat that Eva Beatrice? I have serious problem of seeing Maria being like that dead and I also wish to know what killed her? Eva becomes the new witch because of whats written in the epitaph, she was the first who found the gold. (here you should as well consider Rosa found the gold as well if you going to explain the case non-magical) Wether Battler will become Battler Virgilia, i cant tell cause I havent read any vn. But it extremely unlikely, and why should he lol? that would be like totally random... Maria and rosa die because, again according to epitaph, two people who are close are going to die on the 2nd twilight. Its not "that" important how you see the witch killed maria, but the fatal wound left on the corpse and the place where it is found. base on that, maria is very likely strangled and if you are into any speculating, I would say very likely by somebody she knows. |
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vinesage said: francismeunier said: MarthX said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- She's finally here. It's time to get crazy! No sorry I don't like her. I have questions because this series confuses. This is not Eva but then why she is Eva Beatrice? I also want to know if Battler will become Battler Virgilia to beat that Eva Beatrice? I have serious problem of seeing Maria being like that dead and I also wish to know what killed her? Eva becomes the new witch because of whats written in the epitaph, she was the first who found the gold. (here you should as well consider Rosa found the gold as well if you going to explain the case non-magical) Wether Battler will become Battler Virgilia, i cant tell cause I havent read any vn. But it extremely unlikely, and why should he lol? that would be like totally random... Maria and rosa die because, again according to epitaph, two people who are close are going to die on the 2nd twilight. Its not "that" important how you see the witch killed maria, but the fatal wound left on the corpse and the place where it is found. base on that, maria is very likely strangled and if you are into any speculating, I would say very likely by somebody she knows. About Battler Virgilia is because I want him to stop Eva Beatrice, I though that the epitah was over when the gold is found and so are the twilights? Strangled.....I do not like that. Maria was the least bad of all. MarthX said: When Eva solved the epitaph, she succeeded Beatrice. She's the new Beatrice. The ceremony is now all about her. The old Beato is no longer in control of it. It's pretty obvious that Beato likes Maria and gives her special care. Eva Beatrice doesn't give a damn about her and has no problem killing her off. So old Beato will have no more roles and all her furniture are now with Eva Beatrice? I think Eva Beatrice is very cold. narff said: Good episode. One unneeded service shot, jelly-thing fail and censoring at one scene. But it still was better than many previous episodes have been. Service shot? Where? Censors? Why is I do not understand. C'est vraiment idiot. |
francismeunierOct 8, 2009 6:36 AM
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| Eva Beatrice is very sadistic in a childlike way. She's given new powers and immediately abuses them, not caring about others. |
MarthX said: Well, I hope someone stops her somehow is all I can add to your comment.Eva Beatrice is very sadistic in a childlike way. She's given new powers and immediately abuses them, not caring about others. |
In spoiler my anime list for now. |
moldy_tomato said: Rosa and Eva-Beatrice in the VN: Very interesting but the cake and jello are not the same as I see in the VN as I read it. Nice extra info in french I would say: T'es bien super informant ami! |
In spoiler my anime list for now. |
moldy_tomato said: Rosa and Eva-Beatrice in the VN: Still one of my favorite scenes in the VN <3 Though I'm glad the anime used nighteyes instead of Tsuki Usagi no Butou because I'm sick of that song |
| Gonna be blunt. What the fuck was that shit? Beatrice had about 5 personalities and at least 3 distinctly different voices. Why on earth is she all of a sudden concerned with how people look at her? The best I can think of is that the title of Beatrice corrupts the owner, but it didn't seem to look that way with Virgilia, not to mention Beatrice still had the crazy voice. Maria is clearly an idiot since in the span of however many minutes she saw two different women claiming to be Beatrice and accepted them both. I thought there was going to be some explanation for her idiocy? Why did Battler ever think that Beatrice was fun? And it's so ridiculous to see an 18 year old struggle with the concept of a metaphor so viciously. Likewise, he already relies on Virgilia a ridiculous amount. So much bullshit to wade through. The only things I feel like I can take from the episode is that there might be some type of insanity inherent in the family, Rosa is extra suspicious, Eva has now been raised in suspicion, and Maria is one failed synapse from being totally brain dead. They've lowered the bar. |
| Not people, Battler. She got depressed because Battler scolded her. There's more to it than that but that's going into spoiler territory. Battler thinks playing against Beatrice is fun. Having the debates on how the murders were done without magic. |
| noteDhero doesn't understand a woman's heart at all She wouldn't want to play against him if she didn't like him. Imagine someone you like slapping you and saying that they don't want to see your face again. It would affect you too. |
| Witch slapping this week! Hmmm it was quite the confusing episode, but at least there were loads of developments (the biggest one being Beatrice's character development...). I must admit I'm eagerly waiting for the resolution of the Beato/Battler lovers' quarrel and to see what kind of creepy things Eva Beatrice will do. |
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| Uuuuuuuuuuu~ When Beatrice got slapped, I really wanted to hold her in my arms. *sniffles* She's just so cute. |
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noteDhero said: Maria is clearly an idiot since in the span of however many minutes she saw two different women claiming to be Beatrice and accepted them both. I thought there was going to be some explanation for her idiocy? Maybe she just thought that Beatrice changed her form when Eva-Beatrice showed up. Why did Battler ever think that Beatrice was fun? There was one really cute scene with them that got cut that happened a little before Beatrice was laughing at Rosa and Maria being tortured. Just when Battler was starting to think she wasn't so bad, he realizes that she really enjoys cruelty so that's why he was so upset. |
| Good episode, but... curse you, studio DEEN!! This cheap animation was such a turnoff... if only it was done properly, aaaaarghhhhhh :(((( |
| I guess that's fine, but there really is nothing in the content of the show for me to glean that. The relationship seemed more like Beatrice treated Battler as a plaything, and Battler loathes her. He's only expressed distaste for her, and she's constantly calling him a buffoon, not to mention parading him around like a dog at the end of the last game. I can't think of anything shown that would suggest that the two had/have a friendly rivalry born of mutual respect that has been broken in this episode. |
PlatinumHawke said: She accepted them both because they both were Beatrice, the name is just a title that's gotten passed down. Virgilia even said that not two episodes ago. The thing is that there is a picture of Beatrice in the manor, and she accepted two Beatrices without hesitation. This leads me to believe that anyone without any costume could walk up to Maria, tell her to close her eyes and pretend to be Beatrice. That's my point. Also, it's weird that Bernkastel talks about seeing a title passed down as a once in a 1000 year thing, yet we know that this is the second Beatrice in about 50 years. |
noteDhero said: Gonna be blunt. What the fuck was that shit? Beatrice had about 5 personalities and at least 3 distinctly different voices. Why on earth is she all of a sudden concerned with how people look at her? The best I can think of is that the title of Beatrice corrupts the owner, but it didn't seem to look that way with Virgilia, not to mention Beatrice still had the crazy voice. Maria is clearly an idiot since in the span of however many minutes she saw two different women claiming to be Beatrice and accepted them both. I thought there was going to be some explanation for her idiocy? Why did Battler ever think that Beatrice was fun? And it's so ridiculous to see an 18 year old struggle with the concept of a metaphor so viciously. Likewise, he already relies on Virgilia a ridiculous amount. So much bullshit to wade through. The only things I feel like I can take from the episode is that there might be some type of insanity inherent in the family, Rosa is extra suspicious, Eva has now been raised in suspicion, and Maria is one failed synapse from being totally brain dead. They've lowered the bar. This is exactly why I love EP.3. |
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noteDhero said: PlatinumHawke said: She accepted them both because they both were Beatrice, the name is just a title that's gotten passed down. Virgilia even said that not two episodes ago. The thing is that there is a picture of Beatrice in the manor, and she accepted two Beatrices without hesitation. This leads me to believe that anyone without any costume could walk up to Maria, tell her to close her eyes and pretend to be Beatrice. That's my point. Also, it's weird that Bernkastel talks about seeing a title passed down as a once in a 1000 year thing, yet we know that this is the second Beatrice in about 50 years. You're making the assumption that the Beatrice Maria sees is different. Just because we're seeing a different one doesn't make it so. It could be the same one that Maria met in episode 12. |
LunarEmeraldOct 8, 2009 4:09 PM
noteDhero said: PlatinumHawke said: This leads me to believe that anyone without any costume could walk up to Maria, tell her to close her eyes and pretend to be Beatrice. That's my point. That could be exactly what happened |
| EP3 feels the same to me no matter how many times I watch it.;_; |
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MarthX said: You're making the assumption that the Beatrice Maria sees is different. Just because we're seeing a different one doesn't make it so. It could be the same one that Maria met in episode 12. And this is the reason why there's no point coming up with theories, like I said last week. |
| well, I think theres at least a very important comment coming from Rosa this ep. when eva said rosa could have killed her and gets all the gold, rosa said something like its dumb to kill people over those gold, especially when they are all alone on an isolated island, people going to find out the murderer very soon. If you consider that motive of murder wasnt only the family heritage, but the gold which nobody is sure of its existence. (there was discussion among adults if the gold really existed, but i cant remember so well how it ended.) If I make the (temporary) assumption that Rosa found the gold much earlier than Eva, she very probably wont tell anyone. Unlike the heritage which is going to be shared anyway, if no one knows of its existence Rosa will get all the gold. Base on her split personality she shows to maria, I bet she will be crazy thinking about how to get away with all the gold unnoticed. Somehow she comes to the idea to use the superstitious Kinzo/others have about the witch, it can be the "safer" way to get away with all the gold, and before someone finds out what happened on the island she can make up a witch story with the letter in the floating bottle (last ep 1st arc). undoubtedly, there are holes in this theory, and it doesnt necessarily need to be rosa who found the gold first. But.... When Eva found the gold, rosa "accidentally" solves the epitaph at the very same time as well and step into that gold room right after eva. especailly when you consider in last ep rosa was dozing off when eva solved the epitaph :) (dont know if thats described in the vn as well..) This plus the comments Rosa gives in this ep, it certainly suggest Rosa knew about the gold before Eva does. If she wasnt there to prevent Eva from finding gold alone, Eva could have turned out to be "the other" murderer. (taking rosa's place in the theory above...) |
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| Don't trust what you see so much. We know Maria is dumb but are you naive enough to believe that she's dumb enough that she can't tell Eva Beatrice and Beatrice apart? They don't even wear the same outfit. Her not saying she looks different or saying she's a different person should have tipped you off. Gotta try harder than that. |
| How do you know they aren't wearing the same outfit? Don't trust what you see so much. It goes both ways.;p |
| so if you take this bait, the story beatrice is telling/making up now would be exactly what rosa has written on the letter in that floating bottle. This shouldnt be surprising as I would go as far as saying Beatrice is the alter-ego of rosa at this point. If Evas alter-ego can become the new witch, what happened to the other side of Rosa, who found the gold as well? And Im not believing in magic at all, I am only saying the gold is what awakes the "witch" inside people. What you want to believe and what not is totally depended on you. |
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vinesage said: well, I think theres at least a very important comment coming from Rosa this ep. when eva said rosa could have killed her and gets all the gold, rosa said something like its dumb to kill people over those gold, especially when they are all alone on an isolated island, people going to find out the murderer very soon. If you consider that motive of murder wasnt only the family heritage, but the gold which nobody is sure of its existence. (there was discussion among adults if the gold really existed, but i cant remember so well how it ended.) If I make the (temporary) assumption that Rosa found the gold much earlier than Eva, she very probably wont tell anyone. Unlike the heritage which is going to be shared anyway, if no one knows of its existence Rosa will get all the gold. Base on her split personality she shows to maria, I bet she will be crazy thinking about how to get away with all the gold unnoticed. Somehow she comes to the idea to use the superstitious Kinzo/others have about the witch, it can be the "safer" way to get away with all the gold, and before someone finds out what happened on the island she can make up a witch story with the letter in the floating bottle (last ep 1st arc). undoubtedly, there are holes in this theory, and it doesnt necessarily need to be rosa who found the gold first. But.... When Eva found the gold, rosa "accidentally" solves the epitaph at the very same time as well and step into that gold room right after eva. especailly when you consider in last ep rosa was dozing off when eva solved the epitaph :) (dont know if thats described in the vn as well..) This plus the comments Rosa gives in this ep, it certainly suggest Rosa knew about the gold before Eva does. If she wasnt there to prevent Eva from finding gold alone, Eva could have turned out to be "the other" murderer. (taking rosa's place in the theory above...) Rosa being the culprit is a very interesting theory. With how obvious it's making Eva appear to be the culprit, it feels like it's a gigantic red herring. This also makes her even more suspicious for EP2. If she's capable of solving the epitaph here, then she should be capable of solving it then too. She could have solved it and kill off everyone out of greed. |
MarthX said: Don't trust what you see so much. We know Maria is dumb but are you naive enough to believe that she's dumb enough that she can't tell Eva Beatrice and Beatrice apart? They don't even wear the same outfit. Her not saying she looks different or saying she's a different person should have tipped you off. Gotta try harder than that. Why do you even bother, MarthX? There is no point. To be relevant: I liked how they portrait EVA-Beatrice as a cold-hearted evil person, as she should be. Overall it was an okay episode, disappointed by the lack of the explanation regarding the answer to the riddle. lolcensored. |
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| I loved this episode for one major reason, and that's the introduction to a romance-like relationship between Battler and Beatrice, though currently it's one-sided. I just like the idea of there being a sort of romance between the two. This episode was also more humorous than all the past ones. I lol'ed when Beatrice asked Battler for a new name and he just says Beato. That being said, Eva's other personality (or whatever you want to consider her) becoming a witch has just added to the confusion. |
(Almost) 13 years on MAL! ()__() (='.'=) (")_(") |
| I think Bernkastel and Lambdadelta are the same type of titles as Beatrice. Bernkastel is the Witch of making-anything-possible-as-long-as-something-is-not-100%, and Lambdadelta is the Witch of Certainty. It seems like Beatrice was never directly in control of the events. It's more like putting a video game on simulation: it comes out different all the time. But in this case, Beatrice seems to have taken control over Evatrice by the end of the episode. I expect some whining and petulance on Evatrice's part. |
hirahira said: But the rest of the episode was fine. I especially liked the part with Eva and Hideoyshi. Thank goodness I'm not the only one who loved that part. Always loved that scene (and later tore my hair out~) between Eva and Hideyoshi, and I think they did a good job in this episode with it. Too bad it's kinda overshadowed by the very important other parts concerning Eva-Beatrice, and the deaths were kinda marked down significantly--Maria in particular, the way Beato killed her in the VN being the same in general, but it felt much more poignant--, yet I think this is a pretty good representation...for an adaptation...Ooh, hurts to say that, though. ^^;; Also, can someone confirm or deny this question I have? |
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noteDhero said: Also, it's weird that Bernkastel talks about seeing a title passed down as a once in a 1000 year thing, yet we know that this is the second Beatrice in about 50 years. I'm pretty sure at one point the mentioned Beatrice being over a 1000 years old. :/ But maybe my memory is trying to trick me. |
(Almost) 13 years on MAL! ()__() (='.'=) (")_(") |
| Here's a good explanation for Beatrice's sudden change and Battler thinking she's fun. Beatrice's main motive in this game is not to be cruel and murder. It's to alleviate her boredom. That's why she accepted Battler's challenge and started up the game. If Battler refuses to pay attention to her and play with her the way she wants, she's lost her source of fun. That's why she's thrown off kilter by Battler's reaction -- this is a game to her, nothing more. And Battler has a combative nature and has, in some ways, been enjoying going up against Beato, especially now that he has been getting in shots at her. So maybe he has gotten a bit complacent. You also have to remember that Battler believes that a witch did not commit the murders and, very recently, has had to face the concept that Beato or some other extra person might not be the culprit. That makes his opposition of her a little complicated, doesn't it? She's showing him all of these things indicating she's a murderer, but he's arguing that she's not? So maybe he has started to get a little more comfortable around her -- from his perspective, either she a) doesn't even exist except as some sort of afterlife hallucination or b) is real but isn't the murderer. However, this incident has made him remember just how sadistic she seems to be. |
| But we know that in the 900s people weren't dressing the way kiddy Beatrice dressed in that flashback. That looked Victorian. Now that I think of it, the Victorian era was at the turn of the century, so it's more like two in about 80 years. |
| Found something! myanimelist says she's over a 1000 years old. http://myanimelist.net/character/10285/Beatrice |
(Almost) 13 years on MAL! ()__() (='.'=) (")_(") |
| Well, we know she can't really be 1000 years old anyway |
hirahira said: Well, we know she can't really be 1000 years old anyway Well, she can when you consider how old the other witch's look, yet it sounds like between Beatrice, Lambdalta, and Bernkestal, (I know the other two may be spelled wrong) Bernkestal is the oldest. |
(Almost) 13 years on MAL! ()__() (='.'=) (")_(") |
| I'm still hoping for a Beatrice x Battler ending :D. |
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DeathfireD said: I'm still hoping for a Beatrice x Battler ending :D. |
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| If you new BeaBato fans want to see the clapping scene you can see it here it starts at 4:33 |
mangastar said: hirahira said: Well, we know she can't really be 1000 years old anyway Well, she can when you consider how old the other witch's look, yet it sounds like between Beatrice, Lambdalta, and Bernkestal, (I know the other two may be spelled wrong) Bernkestal is the oldest. Lambdadelta is the oldest one. |
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hirahira said: Well, we know she can't really be 1000 years old anyway Wait, what? Why? |
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