KyokoBeat said: I don't particularly mind fillers. I think that if they help develop characters, like the fillers in the D. Gray Man, then I can totally watch them, no problem. The fillers I can't stand are the flashback and recap fillers. There is no character development in fillers because it is filler. Mjaut said: Current Bleach fillers are far better than current canon story. No filler is EVER better than ANY canon. |
| some fillers are just boring,,but some are entertaining as well.. |
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| I don't actually mind fillers, as long as they're not irritating fillers like Tsubasa's. Naruto's fillers don't bother me too much, Shonan's (sp?) generally have filler so if you expect it it doesn't bother you as much. |
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| I don't like fillers at all >_> Well, I guess they're okay if they're actually entertaining, & as long as they still follow the story otherwise... |
Drunk_Samurai said: KyokoBeat said: I don't particularly mind fillers. I think that if they help develop characters, like the fillers in the D. Gray Man, then I can totally watch them, no problem. The fillers I can't stand are the flashback and recap fillers. There is no character development in fillers because it is filler. D. Gray Man had fillers that had character develop. Without the fillers I wouldn't have known the background story for characters such as Deisya and Suman. The fillers helped a lot with that for me. |
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-Shio said: Drunk_Samurai said: Mjaut said: Current Bleach fillers are far better than current canon story. No filler is EVER better than ANY canon. Sarcasm? Why would that be sarcasm? Fillers can never be better than canon. KyokoBeat said: Drunk_Samurai said: KyokoBeat said: I don't particularly mind fillers. I think that if they help develop characters, like the fillers in the D. Gray Man, then I can totally watch them, no problem. The fillers I can't stand are the flashback and recap fillers. There is no character development in fillers because it is filler. D. Gray Man had fillers that had character develop. Without the fillers I wouldn't have known the background story for characters such as Deisya and Suman. The fillers helped a lot with that for me. They had no background because fillers are filler and don't count. Although Suman wasn't filler since the author did his back story. |
| Is this supposed to be a rhetorical question? Fillers are definitely bad. Once in a long while a filler episode will be entertaining, but as a whole its not worth it. One or two good fillers doesn't make up for hundreds of crap ones. Okay, maybe Im just sore because I had to sit through long blocks of Naruto fillers, but still, that's how I feel. |
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ShadowbladeEdge said: Filler doesn't implicit good or bad like, hmm, I don't know, every other piece of entertainment ever. Drunk_Samurai said: No. Filler just means no meaningful plot development in a plot driven show.There is no character development in fillers because it is filler. Only character development from canon counts. Filler character development is not canon therefore it doesn't actually exist. |
| I do not mind fillers. I do not read mangas and I am not going to get pissed everytime they deviate from the original storyline. If I got pissed everytime they deviated from the orginal storyline then I wouldn't watch the Spiderman,X-men,Wolverine, Punisher, Incredible Hulk, Batman or any other movies or cartoons based on comic books. Once in a blue moon when I look at wikipedia to see how the manga version ended I do think it might have been better if they used the manga's version of the ending instead of creating their own,this could be because the anime is ahead of the anime. Now season recaps piss me off.They are not original stories just bits and are just pieces of other shows cut and pasted together to basically make a flashback episode.Who ever thought of this concept should be dragged out in the street and beaten. All these things do is piss off fans especially if they packaged that recap episode as a special instead of a recap episode which pisses fans off because it raises the hopes of the fan that they are actually getting to watch a new episode then it turns into a major disappointment when it is a recap or its a lot worse if they package it as a new series like Shuffle memories where only the last episode is actually a new episode while all the others are series recaps. If I knew how to write Japanese I would write the creators of that show cursing them out and asking them what the hell were they thinking making a whole series with nothing but recaps,except for one episode,what a douche bag thing to do to make a whole series practically nothing but recaps. They couldn't be like hey lets just package that episode that is actually orginal content as a OVA episode in Japan or a 25th episode if the series ever gets dubbed or subbed for the US or some other country? Seriously what they hell were these people thinking when they did Shuffle memories? |
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| Bottom line, it depends how the particular filler arc was handled. Some, on my opinion were well done. Some examples I could think of are FMA and Gensoumaden Saiyuki. Others, are pretty crap (*cough*Naruto*cough*) |
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Drunk_Samurai said: ShadowbladeEdge said: Filler doesn't implicit good or bad like, hmm, I don't know, every other piece of entertainment ever. Drunk_Samurai said: No. Filler just means no meaningful plot development in a plot driven show.There is no character development in fillers because it is filler. Only character development from canon counts. Filler character development is not canon therefore it doesn't actually exist. Some fans consider content of a filler to be canon, some don't. I've seen a lot of fandoms in which the anime canon and the manga canon are considered separate things due to fillers. Surely there's nothing wrong with considering an anime-only event to be part of the anime's canon, but not the manga's (and vice versa)? |
| fillers sucks ass, only retards watch fillers. |
| Fillers are lame. |
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ShadowbladeEdge said: Drunk_Samurai said: That's bullshit, especially in the case of original properties. Skim through the TvTropes entry for examples, but as a preview the Excalibur episodes in Soul Eater display my point.Only character development from canon counts. Filler character development is not canon therefore it doesn't actually exist. There is no such thing as filler in an original source. Also a "hilarious filler" does not make it canon. Mjaut said: So, all that happened in first Fullmetal Alchemist series doesn't count as canon, since that anime didn't follow manga in entirety? OK. Obviously not. Only the original source is canon and changing any ending or creating your own story is not canon. Anomalous said: Drunk_Samurai said: ShadowbladeEdge said: Filler doesn't implicit good or bad like, hmm, I don't know, every other piece of entertainment ever. Drunk_Samurai said: No. Filler just means no meaningful plot development in a plot driven show.There is no character development in fillers because it is filler. Only character development from canon counts. Filler character development is not canon therefore it doesn't actually exist. Some fans consider content of a filler to be canon, some don't. I've seen a lot of fandoms in which the anime canon and the manga canon are considered separate things due to fillers. Surely there's nothing wrong with considering an anime-only event to be part of the anime's canon, but not the manga's (and vice versa)? A lot of people do that because they want to believe some bullshit "hints" at love happen. Just check out the Naruto X Hinata fans. |
| Some are good, some are bad. |
| The Bleach zanpakutou arc is neat. But then again, Bleach has so much filler that I cant remember what the main story is anyway |
| That is quite hard to say. The reason why I dropped bleach is cuz of fillers. But naruto fillers are really good.( though in my opinion). Maybe fillers are inevitable cuz of many reaosns ( an anime becomes so popular that the producers dun want it to end so fast or maybe jst giving time for manga cuz it is jst some chapters ahead of anime.) :-) |
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| It's not that I like fillers, but if there weren't fillers, then we'd just have like breaks in the anime. Some filler like one piece and this current bleach arc aren't terrible, so I guess what I'm saying is I'd rather watch filler than nothing at all. |
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ShadowbladeEdge said: Drunk_Samurai said: My apologies, for a split second I thought you weren't retarded, thank you for proving me wrong. Deviation does not equal filler. And about your canon bullshit, canon is whatever the creators fell deeming canon, Touhou is a great example of this.There is no such thing as filler in an original source. Also a "hilarious filler" does not make it canon. I never said deviation means filler. I said it isn't canon because only the original source is canon. |
| i hate filler episodes i would much prefer to have a straighforward storyline and save the useless crap for special episodes like ova.. |
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Pyrrhus said: After seeing Bleach a bit, i got sick and tired of the fillers.. I just dont like them since they possibly have no plot reference =.= THIS. |
ShadowbladeEdge said: Drunk_Samurai said: That's stupid and wrong. Like I said Touhou is a superb example, and in Star Wars any two bit hack who can get a book published is considered canon. And what you're suggestng is asinine anyway because that make any adaption not canon.I never said deviation means filler. I said it isn't canon because only the original source is canon. Actually any adaption would still be canon as long as they don't fuck around with the canon too much. Even then they would still be considered canon. Perfect example is the Shippuden fillers that went against the canon. Adaptations that make their own story while it isn't filler is also not canon. |
Drunk_SamuraiSep 17, 2009 9:25 PM
| not all fillers are bad, just most of them |
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ShadowbladeEdge said: Drunk_Samurai said: What you don't seem to understand is that canon is a fan construct and continuity is solely up to the creators, no matter fucking contridictory it is, see above examples.Actually any adaption would still be canon as long as they don't fuck around with the canon too much. Even then they would still be considered canon. Perfect example is the Shippuden fillers that went against the canon. Adaptations that make their own story while it isn't filler is also not canon. Except there is never filler in manga. It's like idiots who think the entire Skypiea arc in One Piece was filler. |
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| some fillers are enjoyable,,,except naruto,,hahah I really hate sora's arc... |
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| Most fillers are bad, in my opinion, but I actually enjoyed some of the Naruto ones. People who says they all sucked haven't seen them all, probably. I watched all of them. Some were actually pretty interesting as some were pretty worthless. ^^ |
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ShadowbladeEdge said: Drunk_Samurai said: No. The most prevalent and obvious form of this would be omake, and any long running manga will have some. For the record all mediums are susceptible to filler.Except there is never filler in manga. It's like idiots who think the entire Skypiea arc in One Piece was filler. How is this fucking relevent anyway? Omakes are just special chapters. Some might be canon but most of them are not. |
imthejanitor said: not all fillers are bad, just most of them SuWern said: I think it's good when we have it once in a while especially when we really like the anime. At least it's something extraordinary but not too much or else I will get bored of it =S I agree with you two. |
| I love fillers, it's better than the real story most of the time. |
virgo_sama said: I love fillers, it's better than the real story most of the time. Bleach fwd |
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virgo_sama said: I love fillers, it's better than the real story most of the time. Fillers are never better than canon. |
| Well, the current Bleach fillers are damn good. Much better than the usual Bleach episode. |
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-Shio said: Drunk_Samurai said: virgo_sama said: I love fillers, it's better than the real story most of the time. Fillers are never better than canon. Again with the canon thing? Look, some show's fillers lack what the canon story actually has, such as plot or character growth but then again, some shows lack those parts altogether and people still watch them. Take Lucky Star. where was the last time you saw any character devlopement or a semblance of a plot there? Exactly. People still watch it, and like it. I'm not going into the whole definition of canon thing that you and SBE did, but like he said, canon is completely decided by the creators, so even a filler would be canon if they chose to make it. To the actual post though, fillers can be bad, or they can be good. Some of the fillers I've seen offer a comic relief episode(s) and are still entertaining. The filler stories, like in Naruto are pretty badly written and impossible to watch because you know that the characters won't have any impact anyways. So I see your point about canon always being better than filler, but that's not the case fillers can be just as equal as the canon show itself. One thing I will say though, is that fillers can probably never surpass the show itself..>_> No mangaka has ever made a filler. Some have designed characters for a filler episode though. Fillers can never be as equal as the canon show at all. |
| The idea itself is like side-quests in RPGs. I don't see anything wrong with it but of course, the idea of putting 10-20 fillers in-between story episodes wouldn't be very nice. |
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