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| When Eren has his flashback, doesn't it look like he's looking into a mirror? Besides, the girl really looks like him. |
Throttlee said: isanagy said: When Eren has his flashback, doesn't it look like he's looking into a mirror? Besides, the girl really looks like him. it's his daughter with Christa that came from the future together with Ewrin, who is actually Armin, and they are planning to conquer the world. Mind Blown |
Throttlee said: isanagy said: When Eren has his flashback, doesn't it look like he's looking into a mirror? Besides, the girl really looks like him. it's his daughter with Christa that came from the future together with Ewrin, who is actually Armin, and they are planning to conquer the world. Sweet baby zombie jesus. It all makes sense now!! |
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| So hear me out guys. Our "Geographia" is indeed Eren. My stubborn theory is that titans eat humans to replace the human nervous system found in the nape when it has grown old and decayed. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=686829&show=180#msg26481309 I think it's because of this Ymir lived for over 60 years but has serious lapses in her memory. If she was operating under a different(or more than one) brain, that would mean her current body is an assimilated one, different from her original. Hell, with how yuri she is, maybe she was even a guy? I think that Eren might be the exact same case. Since the woman looked like nobility, this could explain how he got the coordinate, and his hinted connection with Historia. It would also have to mean that he ate a small child at some point, but we'll deal with that later. To summarize, Eren is a woman. |
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| Nice thought, but there are some flaws in your theory. AlexTheRiot said: I think it's because of this Ymir lived for over 60 years but has serious lapses in her memory. If she was operating under a different(or more than one) brain, that would mean her current body is an assimilated one, different from her original. Hell, with how yuri she is, maybe she was even a guy?. 1. It was never mentioned that Ymir can't remember stuff from the time _before_ she was a titan. She only stated that she was feeling like having a never-ending nightmare _while_ she was a titan. In fact, she even knows who the "true enemy" is, but bit her lip instead of telling Eren when he asked her to. You can asume she did that because at that time, she rather wanted to help R&B for Historia's sake and giving Eren her opinion on who's the real threat wouldn't help R&B much. 2. If titans can assimilate bodys from other humans, Ymir would be Berik (the comrade of R&B) instead of a girl, because Berik was most likely the last human Ymir ate before she became human again. When talking about her time as a titan, there's a panel where you can see Ymir's half-closed eye like she's in some kind of trance. It doesn't mean much, but she looks pretty much like she looks now. 3. Last but not least: The whole Ilse's notebook thing wouldn't make sense anymore. Ilse's clearly a girl and mistaken for Ymir, because they look in fact very similar. The titan who ate Ilse was most likely at least as old as Ymir and knew that Ymir was some kind of nobility (like Ymir hinted at Historia when they talked about how Historia's background is just like Ymir's in general). I know, titan's aren't the most clever beings, but I believe they can still distinguish female from male humans. For the yuri part, I think she's just outright gay. It doesn't seem to be a big deal in the world of SnK since no one look bothered when she's hitting on Historia. Reiner even seemed to be amused when Ymir said that he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who's into girls and he responded that she doesn't look like the kind of girl who's into guys either. We don't know much about their world, but as far as I can telll, I would say that at least young people seem to be okay with gay people. And to be honest, I don't think Isayama would dare to make Eren female and take his last tiny bit of masculinity away. There are plenty of fans who actually think Eren is a cool bro and they would RAGE the f*** out of Isayama if he changes that. |
Celondor said: True, but she still has lapses in her memory. Like not remembering who she ate before turning back into a human. The way Bertoldt asked her "After you went back to being human, do you still remember who you ate?" It could be interpreted as it was necessary for her to eat a (currently human)titan shifter to become a human again. With that, it would make sense that her memories are at least somewhat off(at least for the moment she ate the person that 'changed her back'. Bertoldt mentioned it was the same for him and Reiner, so we can assume they underwent the same process. And the biggest part of that exchange is Bertoldt saying "Eren doesn't seem to remember either." Reread that and you'll see how suspect that remark is. Because of the flow of the conversation, it makes it sound like Eren had to eat someone to turn back as well. In Eren's case though, he doesn't remember anything before just being Eren(until maybe now). Maybe that's due to the injection, who knows. 1. It was never mentioned that Ymir can't remember stuff from the time _before_ she was a titan. She only stated that she was feeling like having a never-ending nightmare _while_ she was a titan. 2. If titans can assimilate bodys from other humans, Ymir would be Berik (the comrade of R&B) instead of a girl, because Berik was most likely the last human Ymir ate before she became human again. When talking about her time as a titan, there's a panel where you can see Ymir's half-closed eye like she's in some kind of trance. It doesn't mean much, but she looks pretty much like she looks now. Well I wouldn't say that it's that cut and dry, you eat someone and then look just like them. She could share some hardly noticeable features of him while retaining most of her old ones.3. Last but not least: The whole Ilse's notebook thing wouldn't make sense anymore. Ilse's clearly a girl and mistaken for Ymir, because they look in fact very similar. Was she mistaken for Ymir? I thought the titan just realized she was a comrade of Ymir's and revered her for it. But either way, I'm fine with conceding that Ymir was always a girl, especially because it would make more sense that she assimilated Berik and still ended up a girl. I mostly just said that to construct a believable segue into Eren being a girl. And to be honest, I don't think Isayama would dare to make Eren female and take his last tiny bit of masculinity away. There are plenty of fans who actually think Eren is a cool bro and they would RAGE the f*** out of Isayama if he changes that. Very true.. Maybe that's the bit of the ending that he was thinking about changing due to popularity? lol nah but he could just find a way to make it still Eren's identity. Like the injection making it to where he'd keep his own memories and ego even after being eaten and assimilated by 'Geographia'. Hell, that'd explain why he's the only one between Ymir/Reiner/Bertoldt/(probably)Annie that has pretty much no memory of being a titan before. |
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AlexTheRiot said: So hear me out guys. Our "Geographia" is indeed Eren. My stubborn theory is that titans eat humans to replace the human nervous system found in the nape when it has grown old and decayed. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=686829&show=180#msg26481309 I think it's because of this Ymir lived for over 60 years but has serious lapses in her memory. If she was operating under a different(or more than one) brain, that would mean her current body is an assimilated one, different from her original. Hell, with how yuri she is, maybe she was even a guy? I think that Eren might be the exact same case. Since the woman looked like nobility, this could explain how he got the coordinate, and his hinted connection with Historia. It would also have to mean that he ate a small child at some point, but we'll deal with that later. To summarize, Eren is a woman. Well, about Ymir: Regardless if she was originally human or Titan --my moneys on originally human--, we're told she was a 100%-mindless Titan when she ate Berick (?) and acquired the Shifter's Power. She never said she has lapses in her memory. She only says she doesnt remember eating Berick (?) which, along with Eren's loss of the memory of acquiring the Power through the injection, leads me to think the Power itself might be the culprit for the 2 cases of amnesia. Like maybe it alters the host human body/brain in some damaging way or something. As for your bit about assimilation to prolong life, the Titans lived for 100+ years without eating any humans other than the incredibly few Legion scouts. They dont NEED to eat humans; they WANT to. We know this. My own theory is they do this in the instinctual hopes of stealing the Shifter Power and returning to human form once again. Sorry pal but between Celendor and myself, I think your theorys history. |
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AlexTheRiot said: Celondor said: True, but she still has lapses in her memory. Like not remembering who she ate before turning back into a human. The way Bertoldt asked her "After you went back to being human, do you still remember who you ate?" It could be interpreted as it was necessary for her to eat a (currently human)titan shifter to become a human again. With that, it would make sense that her memories are at least somewhat off(at least for the moment she ate the person that 'changed her back'. Bertoldt mentioned it was the same for him and Reiner, so we can assume they underwent the same process. And the biggest part of that exchange is Bertoldt saying "Eren doesn't seem to remember either." Reread that and you'll see how suspect that remark is. Because of the flow of the conversation, it makes it sound like Eren had to eat someone to turn back as well. In Eren's case though, he doesn't remember anything before just being Eren(until maybe now). Maybe that's due to the injection, who knows. 1. It was never mentioned that Ymir can't remember stuff from the time _before_ she was a titan. She only stated that she was feeling like having a never-ending nightmare _while_ she was a titan. A single forgotten moment isnt "lapses in memory". About Bert's comment of Eren not remembering who he ate either, in my view, I just figured that since nobody knows about Eren's INJECTION, the Shifters would naturally assume Eren ate someone as well. If memory serves, nobody ever told the other trainees about the injection. In fact I dont recall Eren explaining that bit to anyone, not even Mikasa and Armin. 2. If titans can assimilate bodys from other humans, Ymir would be Berik (the comrade of R&B) instead of a girl, because Berik was most likely the last human Ymir ate before she became human again. When talking about her time as a titan, there's a panel where you can see Ymir's half-closed eye like she's in some kind of trance. It doesn't mean much, but she looks pretty much like she looks now. Well I wouldn't say that it's that cut and dry, you eat someone and then look just like them. She could share some hardly noticeable features of him while retaining most of her old ones.Actually Celendor, I think that half-closed eye ya mention is Eren's eye closing as he loses consciousness from the choke-hold Reiner has him in. Ymir clearly remembers her time as a Titan though. I doubt she remembers EVERY little detail but definitely as much detail as any of us remembers this last year for example. Heres the chokehold with the next page having the half-closed eyes. 3. Last but not least: The whole Ilse's notebook thing wouldn't make sense anymore. Ilse's clearly a girl and mistaken for Ymir, because they look in fact very similar. Was she mistaken for Ymir? I thought the titan just realized she was a comrade of Ymir's and revered her for it. But either way, I'm fine with conceding that Ymir was always a girl, especially because it would make more sense that she assimilated Berik and still ended up a girl. I mostly just said that to construct a believable segue into Eren being a girl. How I interpreted the Ilse-Ymir thing was the Titan knew how Ymir looked as a human and mistook Ilse for Ymir in human form. Im completely unsure why it said "Ymir's .... people" --unless it meant "I am Ymir's people"-- but theres no way Isayama would make Ilse and Ymir look so very much alike and not intend to portray the mistaken identity. |
Old_RavenJan 14, 2014 2:45 PM
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Old_Raven said: That's pretty much what I said in my above post, which led to the angle that they have to eat a shifter in order to return to human form. I agree with you that the process of gaining the Power causes the amnesia, I'm just trying to come up with a more practical explanation for than it just being the Power itself.Well, about Ymir: Regardless if she was originally human or Titan --my moneys on originally human--, we're told she was a 100%-mindless Titan when she ate Berick (?) and acquired the Shifter's Power. She never said she has lapses in her memory. She only says she doesnt remember eating Berick (?) which, along with Eren's loss of the memory of acquiring the Power through the injection, leads me to think the Power itself might be the culprit for the 2 cases of amnesia. Like maybe it alters the host human body/brain in some damaging way or something. As for your bit about assimilation to prolong life, the Titans lived for 100+ years without eating any humans other than the incredibly few Legion scouts. They dont NEED to eat humans; they WANT to. We know this. My own theory is they do this in the instinctual hopes of stealing the Shifter Power and returning to human form once again. We don't know that they lived that 100 years without eating. Other than the few Scouting Legion members, we know that titans will eat other titans. So if my theory were true, it'd be entirely possible that when a titan's current nervous system would begin to decay, they would try to eat another one that they can tell has a fresher, younger nervous system. We can pretty much assume the normals are able to sense when another titan has one, since they were after Reiner and Bertholdt just as much as the humans they were holding while on the run. I can't agree that we know for a fact that they just want to eat humans. It would just be weird if there were no explanation beyond that when a pretty big deal was made about it at the beginning. Though your theory of them instinctively eating to try and get the Power and end their nightmare would explain it nicely. Again I'm just looking for something more practical out of it. About Bert's comment of Eren not remembering who he ate either, in my view, I just figured that since nobody knows about Eren's INJECTION, the Shifters would naturally assume Eren ate someone as well. If memory serves, nobody ever told the other trainees about the injection. In fact I dont recall Eren explaining that bit to anyone, not even Mikasa and Armin. Yeah but since we still don't really know anything about the injection, it doesn't hurt to look elsewhere. |
AlexTheRiotJan 14, 2014 3:18 PM
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10ZHAbin said: Armin cosplaying Historia is absolutely perfect, even better than Jean cosplaying Eren. Levi kickng people is so cute. Couldn't say any better. This comment wins ^v^ |
| Could somebody tell me which is the official translation of Eren's sentence? Is it "...to me" or "...by me"? I've found a french scan that translates Eren's words as "mon père ètait...par moi" and a spanish scan that states "mi padre fue...por me" but I'm not sure that they're direct translation from the original japanese raw. |
| If by 'official' you mean Crunchy, then it's like this: http://imgur.com/X3dZS7P "my father" and " to me" The French translation is closer to the speed TL of the Chinese raws, which appeared first. I couldn't find Japanese raws for chapter 53, so Crunchy should be the only relevant source for the time being. Apparently, MangaStream either don't have them yet or are working on them, I don't know (assuming they translate from Japanese, not Chinese). |
zellami said: "my father" and " to me" My father gave birth to me? |
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AlexTheRiot said: zellami said: "my father" and " to me" My father gave birth to me? My father is an otome? |
zellami said: If by 'official' you mean Crunchy, then it's like this: http://imgur.com/X3dZS7P "my father" and " to me" The French translation is closer to the speed TL of the Chinese raws, which appeared first. I couldn't find Japanese raws for chapter 53, so Crunchy should be the only relevant source for the time being. Apparently, MangaStream either don't have them yet or are working on them, I don't know (assuming they translate from Japanese, not Chinese). Ill take Crunchy's as official so bam! Eren didnt eat Grisha. |
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Throttlee said: AlexTheRiot said: zellami said: "my father" and " to me" My father gave birth to me? My father bought a happy meal to me ? My father seems retarded to me? |
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zellami said: If by 'official' you mean Crunchy, then it's like this: http://imgur.com/X3dZS7P "my father" and " to me" The French translation is closer to the speed TL of the Chinese raws, which appeared first. I couldn't find Japanese raws for chapter 53, so Crunchy should be the only relevant source for the time being. Apparently, MangaStream either don't have them yet or are working on them, I don't know (assuming they translate from Japanese, not Chinese). Thank you Zellami!!!! I was looking for Crunchy's TL. Being the official releaser of SnK, it's surely a direct TL from japanese raws. I think that the whole sentence could be "my father made an injection to me" . Or, as Throttlee suggested, " my father bought a happy meal to me.... but the meat was overcooked so I ate him!" .-) |
| I think the long-dark haired girl from Eren flashback who is facing the mirror is probably Eren. If it is a reflection/flashback of a reflection and it is inside Erens mind, it has to be him. (And it is a reflection, you see a person looking at themselves in a mirror) Think of it, when facing a mirror alone in a room who do you see? Yourself, of course. And its becoming a memory of one's self. |
DanaJan 16, 2014 10:43 AM
FrozenRemains said: Throttlee said: AlexTheRiot said: zellami said: "my father" and " to me" My father gave birth to me? My father bought a happy meal to me ? My father seems retarded to me? My father gave Mikasa to me? |
Salamander2170Jan 16, 2014 11:47 AM
Dana said: I think the long-dark haired girl from Eren flashback who is facing the mirror is probably Eren. If it is a reflection/flashback of a reflection and it is inside Erens mind, it has to be him. (And it is a reflection, you see a person looking at themselves in a mirror) Think of it, when facing a mirror alone in a room who do you see? Yourself, of course. And its becoming a memory of one's self. Eren father said, " Their memories will show you how to use it." so it's not eren its someone else memory. |
keragamming said: Dana said: I think the long-dark haired girl from Eren flashback who is facing the mirror is probably Eren. If it is a reflection/flashback of a reflection and it is inside Erens mind, it has to be him. (And it is a reflection, you see a person looking at themselves in a mirror) Think of it, when facing a mirror alone in a room who do you see? Yourself, of course. And its becoming a memory of one's self. Eren father said, " Their memories will show you how to use it." so it's not eren its someone else memory. Oh ok then. Guess we will just have to wait and see ^_^ But still them using the words "their memories" is still 50/50 chance "their memories" means other peoples memories or Eren's other lifes memories. (But I understand the uncertainty. After reading the quote that comes from chapter 10 page 64 ,and some more pages. It's weird... So there is maybe a possibility that maybe in this fantasy story you can inject memories? Or when injecting the power it comes with his former owners memories? - After all it would be odd if his dad would know about his other lifes memories if this were the case... But still they try to confuse us ;) drawing a girl that resembles Eren abit, and who is looking at one's self in a mirror-at one's self reflection) Well anyway, everything is basically just a speculation LOL Can't wait to see what's next :))) |
DanaJan 17, 2014 5:05 AM
keragamming said: Dana said: I think the long-dark haired girl from Eren flashback who is facing the mirror is probably Eren. If it is a reflection/flashback of a reflection and it is inside Erens mind, it has to be him. (And it is a reflection, you see a person looking at themselves in a mirror) Think of it, when facing a mirror alone in a room who do you see? Yourself, of course. And its becoming a memory of one's self. Eren father said, " Their memories will show you how to use it." so it's not eren its someone else memory. I agree with this. Is it just me or does no one ever find Erens father suspicious, I mean COME ON, there something fishy about him. |
| Well well well, look who we have here. |
sim0n2170 said: FrozenRemains said: Throttlee said: AlexTheRiot said: zellami said: "my father" and " to me" My father gave birth to me? My father bought a happy meal to me ? My father seems retarded to me? My father gave Mikasa to me? ^^^^ Guys getting good at it. Throttlee, man, you shine! Re: royko74 No problem, I hope we see sooner or later alternative TL of the Japanese raws. Really curious what insight others could bring on the chapter. |
| Lol at Armin trying to dress up at Historia xD |
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| Yes and they could also be beginnings of different sentences. If I hear it in Japanese, perhaps I could get a better perspective. Thing is Eren already knows what his father did to him, but after writing he didn't know how to crystallize, something made him remember his father again. Perhaps, he meant to write "My father" didn't/couldn't/promised to explain it/anything "to me", which fits what we know so far. |
Throttlee said: zellami said: Yes and they could also be beginnings of different sentences. If I hear it in Japanese, perhaps I could get a better perspective. Thing is Eren already knows what his father did to him, but after writing he didn't know how to crystallize, something made him remember his father again. Perhaps, he meant to write "My father" didn't/couldn't/promised to explain it/anything "to me", which fits what we know so far. yeah probably My father left the future of this world to me? Full Evangelion mode activated? |
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zellami said: Thing is Eren already knows what his father did to him, but after writing he didn't know how to crystallize, something made him remember his father again. Perhaps, he meant to write "My father" didn't/couldn't/promised to explain it/anything "to me", which fits what we know so far. Thats the best theory Ive heard thus far. And the 30min of sadness that came after could simply be Eren's subconscious controlling Titan Eren and missing his family. |
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Oneeyedwolf said: I'm interested in the girl eren was thinking about. I really want the English translation!!! Me toooooooo =O At first I thought it was his mother, but I'm not sure now :c |
| Honestly, where was said the named of the dark-haired girl was Geographia? And why the hell the name of people are subjects? loool Who will be Philosophia xD? *_* |
rainsmew said: Honestly, where was said the named of the dark-haired girl was Geographia? And why the hell the name of people are subjects? loool Who will be Philosophia xD? *_* It was a joke from some amateur scanlators. She has NO name as of yet. |
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| I think it's safe to assume that Eren got depressed due to his father never explaining the birds and the bees to him. :,( |
| how they treat Eren like if it was a piece of shit, they even made him transform into a titan for 3 times.. it's a good thing that Eren didn't become a titan for good.. :/ |
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ThisShipWontSink said: Satan-sama said: how they treat Eren like if it was a piece of shit, they even made him transform into a titan for 3 times.. it's a good thing that Eren didn't become a titan for good.. :/ Hanji: "Yeah so Eren, your face is melting off, transform again and make the pain even worse." Eren: "What if I can't come out easily?" Hanji: "We'll cut off your arms and legs, it'll hurt like hell but who cares, they'll grow back!" Well, that makes more sense now.. |
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| Haha when Jean is disguised as Eren again. It's funny how Eren thinks Jean has a horse face. I'm all caught up now, I can now suffer the pain like you guys now. |
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| Eren is being pushed becasue he is the only titan shifter they can get their hands on and the only option they have for changing the sorry circumstance humanity is in. They have to push him hard because no one else can do what he can. Unfortunately it seems they only burned him out. I can't wait until the day Eren finally becomes useful though. Aside from sealing the hole in the wall, most of the time people are dying to save his ass from getting kidnapped. I'm sick of this Princess Peach Eren that needs to be protected while everyone else lives are endangered. I care more about every other character than Eren but unfortunately he is the only one with plot armor protecting him. Even Armin and Mikasa are not safe, especially Mikasa. Eren makes her act like an idiot who does not care about her own wellbeing, and that is her most likely cause of death. |
zachfoss said: Haha when Jean is disguised as Eren again. It's funny how Eren thinks Jean has a horse face. I'm all caught up now, I can now suffer the pain like you guys now. Welcome to the daily suffering! |
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| Oh Eren, they have a pill for that. :3 |
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| I think that a titan shifter can fully control his transformation only if he'well aware of his aim. Eren's first and second transformations were instinctive ones, he was reacting to a dangerous situation. Than, in the castle arc, he learned how to master his titan shifting, hurting himself thinking to a certain purpose. In present arc Eren's ability to controll his power seems to be in stand-by. If he's put under pressure he looses control and cries saying weird things about his father. I think that he won't really master his powers until he'll learn why his father injected that serum to him, until he'll discover who the real enemy is. Reiner, Bery, Annie and Ymir can better control their titan-shifting because they're aware of their past, their present and their future. So Eren, stop doing weird experiments and go straight to that cellar. In chapter 52 Armin said that it's possible to reach Shingashina in one night by horse...what are you waiting for? |
ryoko74Jan 27, 2014 12:10 AM
BlueWave said: Some what a transcription of the raw, I went hunting for it cause I was curious about what Eren said about his father as well...seems that he used 『父さんが』『オレを』...so "to me" would be the closest translation I guess? http://blog.livedoor.jp/abacabu-abacabu/archives/36340490.html Hip hurrà for BluwWave! So Eren is the object not the subject of the action! It could be translated directly "me", something like "My father hated me, kicked me or even....my father tried to eat me!" :-) Poor Eren, a lot of people thought that you had eaten your father but you were innocent! |
ryoko74 said: I think that a titan shifter can fully control his transformation only if he'well aware of his aim. We know that... It was confirmed in the flashback that played when Levi Squad was being chased by Titan Annie. The one where Eren transformed his right arm to pick up a teaspoon. |
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Fairbear said: Everyone keeps talking about how trap!Armin became a thing, but no one has said anything about how Armin is being molested by the kidnapper. Not until he whips out his dick and starts swinging it on his ear no. It nothing serious. |
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