| I still don't get this war. Back in my day this would have been a fight amongst supporters of submarines and those who like the Jamaican music genre. You can listen to dub on a sub through a speaker with a sub. |
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| It's really sad this is still an issue. Watch whatever you want. I'm tired of the "but dubz r evil bcuz they arent made in MOTHER JAPAN!!!11one!" argument I see on youtube and forums. |
| As fast as a reader I am when I have to focus on the down side of the screen, while I dont miss the general thing, a lot of the details will get overseen. And altough I hardly ever watch Dub, I think a good Dub is better simply because you can focus on the actual stuff that happens on screen. You notice a lot more stuff and details in fast paced scenes. Of course no one cares about that in standstill shows but not all shows are like that. And especially when watching on a computer youre usually a lot nearer to the Screen meaning you arc of vision is not covering the whole screen, so having to look down all the time could be bothersome. |
Jyupita said: You can listen to dub on a sub through a speaker with a sub. http://i.imgur.com/IR6vIk9.gif |
كنت تهدر وقتك عن طريق ترجمة هذه. mattbenz99 said: Christians and Satanists are technically the same thing |
mattbenz99 said: IntroverTurtle said: StillSwingin007 said: He said great not bad to good. And is that all?no_good_name said: mitch3315 said: no_good_name said: For people who claim that i always wonder if they have ever tried to watch a normal subbed movie. More fool them, they miss out or have to wait years for the useless dub companies to release their inferior crap. And they miss out on great shows like Chihayafuru that don't have dubs. Indeed, many great anime that is not aimed at kids or man children is never dubbed. Why would you want to deny so much great anime just because you cant read? *cough* cowboy bebop *cough* death note *cough* baccano *cough* fate zero *cough cough* ...I hate sub vs dub threads like these. If you like the dub, WATCH THE DUB. If you like the sub, WATCH THE SUB. I love a lot of dubs the same way I hate a lot of dubs. Is that so strange? if you think baccano wasnt great then you are retarded. no it is not the best but it is still great. also fullmetal alchemist (brotherhood) also have great dubs and are great shows That's not very nice to call someone retarded. |
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mattbenz99 said: IntroverTurtle said: StillSwingin007 said: He said great not bad to good. And is that all?no_good_name said: mitch3315 said: no_good_name said: For people who claim that i always wonder if they have ever tried to watch a normal subbed movie. More fool them, they miss out or have to wait years for the useless dub companies to release their inferior crap. And they miss out on great shows like Chihayafuru that don't have dubs. Indeed, many great anime that is not aimed at kids or man children is never dubbed. Why would you want to deny so much great anime just because you cant read? *cough* cowboy bebop *cough* death note *cough* baccano *cough* fate zero *cough cough* ...I hate sub vs dub threads like these. If you like the dub, WATCH THE DUB. If you like the sub, WATCH THE SUB. I love a lot of dubs the same way I hate a lot of dubs. Is that so strange? if you think baccano wasnt great then you are retarded. no it is not the best but it is still great. also fullmetal alchemist (brotherhood) also have great dubs and are great shows Oh mighty mattbenz99. Those who shan't listen to thee are retarded. |
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| I personally know two people, BOTH OF COLLEGE AGE, that simply cannot read well enough to keep up with subs. This is the state of public education in America. Kid's simply don't read anymore. I LOVE SUBS. There are some shows that I prefer dubbed. Cowboy Bebop, Black Lagoon, Gungrave, Trigun, Ghost in the Shell... But whenever I watch a recent series it HAS to be subbed. The only recent release I waited for a dub over was Roberta's Blood Trail because I just love Black Lagoon in English. |
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| ) toybox said: mattbenz99 said: IntroverTurtle said: StillSwingin007 said: He said great not bad to good. And is that all?no_good_name said: mitch3315 said: no_good_name said: For people who claim that i always wonder if they have ever tried to watch a normal subbed movie. More fool them, they miss out or have to wait years for the useless dub companies to release their inferior crap. And they miss out on great shows like Chihayafuru that don't have dubs. Indeed, many great anime that is not aimed at kids or man children is never dubbed. Why would you want to deny so much great anime just because you cant read? *cough* cowboy bebop *cough* death note *cough* baccano *cough* fate zero *cough cough* ...I hate sub vs dub threads like these. If you like the dub, WATCH THE DUB. If you like the sub, WATCH THE SUB. I love a lot of dubs the same way I hate a lot of dubs. Is that so strange? if you think baccano wasnt great then you are retarded. no it is not the best but it is still great. also fullmetal alchemist (brotherhood) also have great dubs and are great shows That's not very nice to call someone retarded. Indeed. Anyway, i was only talking about subs, because when you talk about dubs..just forget it, can't really stand them. That's just me tho and i'm a weird guy, i can't even stand subs in my main language, can only enjoy them in English. |
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toybox said: mattbenz99 said: IntroverTurtle said: StillSwingin007 said: He said great not bad to good. And is that all?no_good_name said: mitch3315 said: no_good_name said: For people who claim that i always wonder if they have ever tried to watch a normal subbed movie. More fool them, they miss out or have to wait years for the useless dub companies to release their inferior crap. And they miss out on great shows like Chihayafuru that don't have dubs. Indeed, many great anime that is not aimed at kids or man children is never dubbed. Why would you want to deny so much great anime just because you cant read? *cough* cowboy bebop *cough* death note *cough* baccano *cough* fate zero *cough cough* ...I hate sub vs dub threads like these. If you like the dub, WATCH THE DUB. If you like the sub, WATCH THE SUB. I love a lot of dubs the same way I hate a lot of dubs. Is that so strange? if you think baccano wasnt great then you are retarded. no it is not the best but it is still great. also fullmetal alchemist (brotherhood) also have great dubs and are great shows That's not very nice to call someone retarded. well to be fair it doesnt seem like it is just my opinion. try the opinion of most anime fans. baccano among the people who have seen it is extremely popular. |
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You're still basically saying that because he doesn't share your opinion, he's retarded. It doesn't matter how many people share your opinion, for it is just that, an opinion. None are right, and none are wrong. They are inherent to each person, so nobody can be "retarded" because their opinion differs from your own. |
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StillSwingin007 said: mattbenz99 said: IntroverTurtle said: StillSwingin007 said: He said great not bad to good. And is that all?no_good_name said: mitch3315 said: no_good_name said: For people who claim that i always wonder if they have ever tried to watch a normal subbed movie. More fool them, they miss out or have to wait years for the useless dub companies to release their inferior crap. And they miss out on great shows like Chihayafuru that don't have dubs. Indeed, many great anime that is not aimed at kids or man children is never dubbed. Why would you want to deny so much great anime just because you cant read? *cough* cowboy bebop *cough* death note *cough* baccano *cough* fate zero *cough cough* ...I hate sub vs dub threads like these. If you like the dub, WATCH THE DUB. If you like the sub, WATCH THE SUB. I love a lot of dubs the same way I hate a lot of dubs. Is that so strange? if you think baccano wasnt great then you are retarded. no it is not the best but it is still great. also fullmetal alchemist (brotherhood) also have great dubs and are great shows Oh mighty mattbenz99. Those who shan't listen to thee are retarded. why because i accept reality that there are good dubs and some good japanese versions out there and at the same time not all dubs are good and not all japanese versions are good? |
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Goryo said: Jyupita said: You can listen to dub on a sub through a speaker with a sub. http://i.imgur.com/IR6vIk9.gif I honestly believe that our posts are more constructive than most of that shit. |
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YandereTheEmo said: You're still basically saying that because he doesn't share your opinion, he's retarded. It doesn't matter how many people share your opinion, for it is just that, an opinion. None are right, and none are wrong. They are inherent to each person, so nobody can be "retarded" because their opinion differs from your own. ya the retarded part was me just getting annoyed i take it back |
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jondoom said: Yes, because two outliers clearly represent the normal distribution of intelligence amongst the American populace. I personally know two people, BOTH OF COLLEGE AGE, that simply cannot read well enough to keep up with subs. This is the state of public education in America. Kid's simply don't read anymore. And not being able to read subs initially may not even be a matter of reading ability. When I first started watching subbed (after dubbed Digimon back in the day), it took an episode or two to get the rhythm down. Like not to focus too much on the text itself or the best way to read without missing any of the action, etc. I LOVE SUBS. There are some shows that I prefer dubbed. Cowboy Bebop, Black Lagoon, Gungrave, Trigun, Ghost in the Shell... I agree with the rest of your post. But whenever I watch a recent series it HAS to be subbed. The only recent release I waited for a dub over was Roberta's Blood Trail because I just love Black Lagoon in English. I prefer dubbed, but since I mainly watch (90%) stuff that is currently airing, I mainly watch sub. Preference is preference; there's no need for people to keep up this silly "debate." |
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deadjames said: It depends, usually it's just people being lazy, like I have a friend that misses out on a lot of cool shows because they don't have dubs because he's too damn lazy to read, the only time the excuse is valid would be like if they have dyslexia or some thing to that effect. Most good shows do get dubbed or will get dubbed. Only good thing that hasn't been dubbed is LOGH. Almost everything else is usually just a bunch repetitive moe shit. No one is missing out on anything. |
Dubs>subs. Breaking Bad>Anime Comic books>manga 99% of Anime is Garbage |
| Can live with watching both. I prefer to watch dubbed if available though. I can leave an anime on then if I get up to do something and still know whats happening |
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MajinSaga said: You obviously haven't seen Bakemonogatari or Akagi, and then there's some shows where the dubs are so awful that they're just plain unwatchable like Ranma 1/2, Slayers, Sailor Moon, Elfen Lied, the Rurouni Kenshin OVAs, and RahXephon.deadjames said: It depends, usually it's just people being lazy, like I have a friend that misses out on a lot of cool shows because they don't have dubs because he's too damn lazy to read, the only time the excuse is valid would be like if they have dyslexia or some thing to that effect. Most good shows do get dubbed or will get dubbed. Only good thing that hasn't been dubbed is LOGH. Almost everything else is usually just a bunch repetitive moe shit. No one is missing out on anything. |
| If you can't read subs, you shouldn't be watching anime. |
deadjames said: MajinSaga said: You obviously haven't seen Bakemonogatari or Akagi, and then there's some shows where the dubs are so awful that they're just plain unwatchable like Ranma 1/2, Slayers, Sailor Moon, Elfen Lied, the Rurouni Kenshin OVAs, and RahXephon.deadjames said: It depends, usually it's just people being lazy, like I have a friend that misses out on a lot of cool shows because they don't have dubs because he's too damn lazy to read, the only time the excuse is valid would be like if they have dyslexia or some thing to that effect. Most good shows do get dubbed or will get dubbed. Only good thing that hasn't been dubbed is LOGH. Almost everything else is usually just a bunch repetitive moe shit. No one is missing out on anything. to be fair slayers came out in the 90s when there were almost no dubs so it isnt fair to make that comparison and elfen lied is actually infamous for having a terrible japanese dub along with a terrible english dub. the rest i cant comment on |
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Chibi-Alice said: If you can't read subs, you shouldn't be watching anime. if you dont support the industry you shouldnt be watching anime |
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deadjames said: MajinSaga said: deadjames said: It depends, usually it's just people being lazy, like I have a friend that misses out on a lot of cool shows because they don't have dubs because he's too damn lazy to read, the only time the excuse is valid would be like if they have dyslexia or some thing to that effect. Most good shows do get dubbed or will get dubbed. Only good thing that hasn't been dubbed is LOGH. Almost everything else is usually just a bunch repetitive moe shit. No one is missing out on anything. You obviously haven't seen Bakemonogatari or Akagi, and then there's some shows where the dubs are so awful that they're just plain unwatchable like Ranma 1/2, Slayers, Sailor Moon, Elfen Lied, the Rurouni Kenshin OVAs, and RahXephon. Alright, I'll take that back. Only LOHG and the Monogatari series haven't been dubbed and that are good. The English dub was terrible. Fortunately I can speak Spanish, and watched the Spanish dub. |
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IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: You can watch only subs while still supporting the industry, actually you can support it more. So your point doesn't work that much.Chibi-Alice said: If you can't read subs, you shouldn't be watching anime. if you dont support the industry you shouldnt be watching anime that was not really what i meant. i was pointing out how this person very likely doesnt support the industry and he/she feels the need to say that you should never watch anime the way you like to. heck if you watch all dubs but buy every show you watch you have more of a right to watch anime than if you watch every anime subbed illegally. |
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mattbenz99 said: That is not a valid excuse, Lupin III came out in the 70s and Nausicaa and Dragon Ball came out in the 80s and they have good dubs, not to mention there are tons of other shows from the 90s that have good dubs like Pokemon, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo, Cardcaptor Sakura, Yu Yu Hakusho, Detective Conan, NGE, and Princess Mononoke.deadjames said: MajinSaga said: You obviously haven't seen Bakemonogatari or Akagi, and then there's some shows where the dubs are so awful that they're just plain unwatchable like Ranma 1/2, Slayers, Sailor Moon, Elfen Lied, the Rurouni Kenshin OVAs, and RahXephon.deadjames said: It depends, usually it's just people being lazy, like I have a friend that misses out on a lot of cool shows because they don't have dubs because he's too damn lazy to read, the only time the excuse is valid would be like if they have dyslexia or some thing to that effect. Most good shows do get dubbed or will get dubbed. Only good thing that hasn't been dubbed is LOGH. Almost everything else is usually just a bunch repetitive moe shit. No one is missing out on anything. to be fair slayers came out in the 90s when there were almost no dubs so it isnt fair to make that comparison and elfen lied is actually infamous for having a terrible japanese dub along with a terrible english dub. the rest i cant comment on |
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Nidstang said: But by that logic, wouldn't it make anime fans who watch only subs illogical as well? Anime fans only watching dubs are illogical people. You know, since the subs cover a fraction of the screen (a fraction of animation effort you're missing out on, might I add) and, though the voices are in Japanese, you're still reading in English, meaning that you're not enjoying it by understanding the Japanese language itself, like the producers meant for it to be? |
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spyrocoot said: daintybiscuit said: MajinSaga said: It's not that I can't read subs while watching (after all, I was taking advanced English and reading classes since middle school), it's just I REALLY dislike Japanese voice acting. I don't like the ridiculous overacting, the grunts, the constant shouting, and especially the annoying high pitched voices. P.S. I also don't like how they say san or chan or kun or whatever dumbass thing they say after someone's name. If some Jap ever put that at the end of my name, I'd make sure to correct that asshole and have him say my birth name again until he says it correctly. you like anime but are completely adverse to some of their cultural norms? Is there a problem with that? I enjoy anime but I don't really care for Japanese culture. yah, i don't think its a "problem", but its a bit odd b/c by watching anime, you are immersing yourself in a japanese cultural institution if you feel that way, its not my right to say you are wrong in your feelings, i just think its a bit weird |
deadjames said: mattbenz99 said: That is not a valid excuse, Lupin III came out in the 70s and Nausicaa and Dragon Ball came out in the 80s and they have good dubs, not to mention there are tons of other shows from the 90s that have good dubs like Pokemon, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo, Cardcaptor Sakura, Yu Yu Hakusho, Detective Conan, NGE, and Princess Mononoke.deadjames said: MajinSaga said: You obviously haven't seen Bakemonogatari or Akagi, and then there's some shows where the dubs are so awful that they're just plain unwatchable like Ranma 1/2, Slayers, Sailor Moon, Elfen Lied, the Rurouni Kenshin OVAs, and RahXephon.deadjames said: It depends, usually it's just people being lazy, like I have a friend that misses out on a lot of cool shows because they don't have dubs because he's too damn lazy to read, the only time the excuse is valid would be like if they have dyslexia or some thing to that effect. Most good shows do get dubbed or will get dubbed. Only good thing that hasn't been dubbed is LOGH. Almost everything else is usually just a bunch repetitive moe shit. No one is missing out on anything. to be fair slayers came out in the 90s when there were almost no dubs so it isnt fair to make that comparison and elfen lied is actually infamous for having a terrible japanese dub along with a terrible english dub. the rest i cant comment on Pokemon got good dubs? :S |
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AndyRayy said: Nidstang said: But by that logic, wouldn't it make anime fans who watch only subs illogical as well? Anime fans only watching dubs are illogical people. You know, since the subs cover a fraction of the screen (a fraction of animation effort you're missing out on, might I add) and, though the voices are in Japanese, you're still reading in English, meaning that you're not enjoying it by understanding the Japanese language itself, like the producers meant for it to be? i am not going to agree or disagree with your point but there is something in the last thing you said that i want to mention. just about all forms of movies/ tv shows (with the exception of the silent ones) are made to have the dialogue understood by people's ears not their eyes. so any talk about it made to be heard in japanese is pointless because above all the dialogue was meant to be heard. yes this is a tricky subject especially when you dont speak the language but there is give and take from watching anime in both japanese and english. different languages have different terms and words that simply dont exist in other languages. an easy example would be how english doesnt have a word for non virgin while many other languages do. so translation problems have nothing to do with whether you translate a show into english using sub titles or through dubs because there will always be mistakes because of how different the languages are. |
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mattbenz99 said: You do realize that the discs come with both English and Japanese audio right? And you also realize that people pirate dubs too right? So now you realize that you have no valid point to make right?IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: You can watch only subs while still supporting the industry, actually you can support it more. So your point doesn't work that much.Chibi-Alice said: If you can't read subs, you shouldn't be watching anime. if you dont support the industry you shouldnt be watching anime that was not really what i meant. i was pointing out how this person very likely doesnt support the industry and he/she feels the need to say that you should never watch anime the way you like to. heck if you watch all dubs but buy every show you watch you have more of a right to watch anime than if you watch every anime subbed illegally. |
pokecenter said: Yeah despite the show itself not being that great the English voice-acting was pretty damn good especially Team Rocket.deadjames said: mattbenz99 said: That is not a valid excuse, Lupin III came out in the 70s and Nausicaa and Dragon Ball came out in the 80s and they have good dubs, not to mention there are tons of other shows from the 90s that have good dubs like Pokemon, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo, Cardcaptor Sakura, Yu Yu Hakusho, Detective Conan, NGE, and Princess Mononoke.deadjames said: MajinSaga said: You obviously haven't seen Bakemonogatari or Akagi, and then there's some shows where the dubs are so awful that they're just plain unwatchable like Ranma 1/2, Slayers, Sailor Moon, Elfen Lied, the Rurouni Kenshin OVAs, and RahXephon.deadjames said: It depends, usually it's just people being lazy, like I have a friend that misses out on a lot of cool shows because they don't have dubs because he's too damn lazy to read, the only time the excuse is valid would be like if they have dyslexia or some thing to that effect. Most good shows do get dubbed or will get dubbed. Only good thing that hasn't been dubbed is LOGH. Almost everything else is usually just a bunch repetitive moe shit. No one is missing out on anything. to be fair slayers came out in the 90s when there were almost no dubs so it isnt fair to make that comparison and elfen lied is actually infamous for having a terrible japanese dub along with a terrible english dub. the rest i cant comment on Pokemon got good dubs? :S |
IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: How do you know if she doesn't support the industry? You're guessing based on your unsupported data that 98% of people pirate.IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: You can watch only subs while still supporting the industry, actually you can support it more. So your point doesn't work that much.Chibi-Alice said: If you can't read subs, you shouldn't be watching anime. if you dont support the industry you shouldnt be watching anime that was not really what i meant. i was pointing out how this person very likely doesnt support the industry and he/she feels the need to say that you should never watch anime the way you like to. heck if you watch all dubs but buy every show you watch you have more of a right to watch anime than if you watch every anime subbed illegally. And your right thing doesn't make any sense. i have now do have proof of my numbers. that original 98% piracy really meant that only 2% of people watch anime primarily on dvds but now i have actual numbers from polls on piracy. 75-85% pirating rate. also i will say this again anime is a hobby and like other hobbies you shouldnt steal the equipment to do your hobby. that is what i meant by right. |
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deadjames said: pokecenter said: Yeah despite the show itself not being that great the English voice-acting was pretty damn good especially Team Rocket.deadjames said: mattbenz99 said: That is not a valid excuse, Lupin III came out in the 70s and Nausicaa and Dragon Ball came out in the 80s and they have good dubs, not to mention there are tons of other shows from the 90s that have good dubs like Pokemon, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo, Cardcaptor Sakura, Yu Yu Hakusho, Detective Conan, NGE, and Princess Mononoke.deadjames said: MajinSaga said: You obviously haven't seen Bakemonogatari or Akagi, and then there's some shows where the dubs are so awful that they're just plain unwatchable like Ranma 1/2, Slayers, Sailor Moon, Elfen Lied, the Rurouni Kenshin OVAs, and RahXephon.deadjames said: It depends, usually it's just people being lazy, like I have a friend that misses out on a lot of cool shows because they don't have dubs because he's too damn lazy to read, the only time the excuse is valid would be like if they have dyslexia or some thing to that effect. Most good shows do get dubbed or will get dubbed. Only good thing that hasn't been dubbed is LOGH. Almost everything else is usually just a bunch repetitive moe shit. No one is missing out on anything. to be fair slayers came out in the 90s when there were almost no dubs so it isnt fair to make that comparison and elfen lied is actually infamous for having a terrible japanese dub along with a terrible english dub. the rest i cant comment on Pokemon got good dubs? :S As far as i know Pokemon dubs weren't that good, in fact in some ocasions they wouldn't even translate the speech in an proper way. |
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mattbenz99 said: I agree with you 100% here. AndyRayy said: Nidstang said: But by that logic, wouldn't it make anime fans who watch only subs illogical as well? Anime fans only watching dubs are illogical people. You know, since the subs cover a fraction of the screen (a fraction of animation effort you're missing out on, might I add) and, though the voices are in Japanese, you're still reading in English, meaning that you're not enjoying it by understanding the Japanese language itself, like the producers meant for it to be? i am not going to agree or disagree with your point but there is something in the last thing you said that i want to mention. just about all forms of movies/ tv shows (with the exception of the silent ones) are made to have the dialogue understood by people's ears not their eyes. so any talk about it made to be heard in japanese is pointless because above all the dialogue was meant to be heard. yes this is a tricky subject especially when you dont speak the language but there is give and take from watching anime in both japanese and english. different languages have different terms and words that simply dont exist in other languages. an easy example would be how english doesnt have a word for non virgin while many other languages do. so translation problems have nothing to do with whether you translate a show into english using sub titles or through dubs because there will always be mistakes because of how different the languages are. I was simply throwing out the usual other banter I hear the silly ones make to show the implicit logical error in the statement made, which you so eloquently described above. |
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| I think it's just a matter of taste. Maybe english speakers are not used to reading subs, since most "mainstream" movies and shows are made in USA or the UK. Meanwhile, I have always watched stuff subbed because original shows in my language are rare. And on top of that, I feel like the original actors (or seiyuus, if we're talking about anime) do a better job at expressing emotions than the dubs, whether they are in english or spanish. |
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deadjames said: mattbenz99 said: You do realize that the discs come with both English and Japanese audio right? And you also realize that people pirate dubs too right? So now you realize that you have no valid point to make right?IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: You can watch only subs while still supporting the industry, actually you can support it more. So your point doesn't work that much.Chibi-Alice said: If you can't read subs, you shouldn't be watching anime. if you dont support the industry you shouldnt be watching anime that was not really what i meant. i was pointing out how this person very likely doesnt support the industry and he/she feels the need to say that you should never watch anime the way you like to. heck if you watch all dubs but buy every show you watch you have more of a right to watch anime than if you watch every anime subbed illegally. i know but people who pirate dubs tend not to be as brazen about their piracy (there are exceptions though) and i will still denounce people who pirate dubbed anime. |
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pokecenter said: I think your confusing the script with the actual acting, the script was terrible on Pokemon, but the fact that the actors could deliver it so well is a testament to their talent.deadjames said: pokecenter said: Yeah despite the show itself not being that great the English voice-acting was pretty damn good especially Team Rocket.deadjames said: mattbenz99 said: That is not a valid excuse, Lupin III came out in the 70s and Nausicaa and Dragon Ball came out in the 80s and they have good dubs, not to mention there are tons of other shows from the 90s that have good dubs like Pokemon, Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Outlaw Star, Tenchi Muyo, Cardcaptor Sakura, Yu Yu Hakusho, Detective Conan, NGE, and Princess Mononoke.deadjames said: MajinSaga said: You obviously haven't seen Bakemonogatari or Akagi, and then there's some shows where the dubs are so awful that they're just plain unwatchable like Ranma 1/2, Slayers, Sailor Moon, Elfen Lied, the Rurouni Kenshin OVAs, and RahXephon.deadjames said: It depends, usually it's just people being lazy, like I have a friend that misses out on a lot of cool shows because they don't have dubs because he's too damn lazy to read, the only time the excuse is valid would be like if they have dyslexia or some thing to that effect. Most good shows do get dubbed or will get dubbed. Only good thing that hasn't been dubbed is LOGH. Almost everything else is usually just a bunch repetitive moe shit. No one is missing out on anything. to be fair slayers came out in the 90s when there were almost no dubs so it isnt fair to make that comparison and elfen lied is actually infamous for having a terrible japanese dub along with a terrible english dub. the rest i cant comment on Pokemon got good dubs? :S As far as i know Pokemon dubs weren't that good, in fact in some ocasions they wouldn't even translate the speech in an proper way. |
mattbenz99 said: Are you just pulling numbers that you read somewhere, or can you actually explain those statistics? The fact is piracy really doesn't hurt the industries nearly as much as most people would have you believe, in fact in many cases it helps it, many people will go out and buy a series they pirated if they like it.IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: How do you know if she doesn't support the industry? You're guessing based on your unsupported data that 98% of people pirate.IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: You can watch only subs while still supporting the industry, actually you can support it more. So your point doesn't work that much.Chibi-Alice said: If you can't read subs, you shouldn't be watching anime. if you dont support the industry you shouldnt be watching anime that was not really what i meant. i was pointing out how this person very likely doesnt support the industry and he/she feels the need to say that you should never watch anime the way you like to. heck if you watch all dubs but buy every show you watch you have more of a right to watch anime than if you watch every anime subbed illegally. And your right thing doesn't make any sense. i have now do have proof of my numbers. that original 98% piracy really meant that only 2% of people watch anime primarily on dvds but now i have actual numbers from polls on piracy. 75-85% pirating rate. also i will say this again anime is a hobby and like other hobbies you shouldnt steal the equipment to do your hobby. that is what i meant by right. |
Forgetfulness said: deadjames said: mattbenz99 said: Are you just pulling numbers that you read somewhere, or can you actually explain those statistics? The fact is piracy really doesn't hurt the industries nearly as much as most people would have you believe, in fact in many cases it helps it, many people will go out and buy a series they pirated if they like it.IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: How do you know if she doesn't support the industry? You're guessing based on your unsupported data that 98% of people pirate.IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: You can watch only subs while still supporting the industry, actually you can support it more. So your point doesn't work that much.Chibi-Alice said: If you can't read subs, you shouldn't be watching anime. if you dont support the industry you shouldnt be watching anime that was not really what i meant. i was pointing out how this person very likely doesnt support the industry and he/she feels the need to say that you should never watch anime the way you like to. heck if you watch all dubs but buy every show you watch you have more of a right to watch anime than if you watch every anime subbed illegally. And your right thing doesn't make any sense. i have now do have proof of my numbers. that original 98% piracy really meant that only 2% of people watch anime primarily on dvds but now i have actual numbers from polls on piracy. 75-85% pirating rate. also i will say this again anime is a hobby and like other hobbies you shouldnt steal the equipment to do your hobby. that is what i meant by right. If I'm thinking of the right person, he got that off a poll on FAKKU yes and a poll from mal and i can show you them if you want |
| Just because you know how to use a torrent does not give you the god given right to pirate. My actual list: https://kitsu.io/users/mattbenz99/library check out my youtube channel for my review: https://www.youtube.com/user/mattbenz99 |
deadjames said: mattbenz99 said: Are you just pulling numbers that you read somewhere, or can you actually explain those statistics? The fact is piracy really doesn't hurt the industries nearly as much as most people would have you believe, in fact in many cases it helps it, many people will go out and buy a series they pirated if they like it.IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: How do you know if she doesn't support the industry? You're guessing based on your unsupported data that 98% of people pirate.IntroverTurtle said: mattbenz99 said: You can watch only subs while still supporting the industry, actually you can support it more. So your point doesn't work that much.Chibi-Alice said: If you can't read subs, you shouldn't be watching anime. if you dont support the industry you shouldnt be watching anime that was not really what i meant. i was pointing out how this person very likely doesnt support the industry and he/she feels the need to say that you should never watch anime the way you like to. heck if you watch all dubs but buy every show you watch you have more of a right to watch anime than if you watch every anime subbed illegally. And your right thing doesn't make any sense. i have now do have proof of my numbers. that original 98% piracy really meant that only 2% of people watch anime primarily on dvds but now i have actual numbers from polls on piracy. 75-85% pirating rate. also i will say this again anime is a hobby and like other hobbies you shouldnt steal the equipment to do your hobby. that is what i meant by right. buying 1 series for every 100 you pirated is not good enough. |
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Reginleaf said: ...You guys know that there are official subs as well as fan made ones, right? (Funimation has a youtube channel, with a bunch of anime subbed. They're pretty accurate, better than a lot of the fan groups.) Unfortunately, not every series gets licensed to them. In this case it really doesn't hurt anyone to download them, since they're not going to be around any time soon, if at all. So try to support the official releases, but keep an open mind that not all anime series will get an official release. In any case, there's no point to trying to convince someone that subs are better. They'll learn on their own, or they'll stay a filthy casual and you can ignore them to your heart's content... if you think that everyone who watches dubs are casuals then you have no idea what you are talking about. |
| Just because you know how to use a torrent does not give you the god given right to pirate. My actual list: https://kitsu.io/users/mattbenz99/library check out my youtube channel for my review: https://www.youtube.com/user/mattbenz99 |
Reginleaf said: mattbenz99 said: Reginleaf said: ...You guys know that there are official subs as well as fan made ones, right? (Funimation has a youtube channel, with a bunch of anime subbed. They're pretty accurate, better than a lot of the fan groups.) Unfortunately, not every series gets licensed to them. In this case it really doesn't hurt anyone to download them, since they're not going to be around any time soon, if at all. So try to support the official releases, but keep an open mind that not all anime series will get an official release. In any case, there's no point to trying to convince someone that subs are better. They'll learn on their own, or they'll stay a filthy casual and you can ignore them to your heart's content... if you think that everyone who watches dubs are casuals then you have no idea what you are talking about. You missed the joke. I take it you haven't seen the 'don't touch me you filthy casual' image? http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1366/45/1366453500131.jpg (I think bbcodes are still down, so have a link) oh lol i never saw that |
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| I've lost count of how many times people have seen me watching anime and said 'How do you even read that fast?' |
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