olajuwon20 said: Energetic-Nova said: Death Note the most misogynistic anime I have ever seen. The women are pawns. Fanservice. No women in Death Note rise above. All the women are foolish and all the men are super geniuses. Not even Dragon Ball managed to be so bad about it. It wasn't just women that were used as pawns in the show, it was also men as well. All of the members of the Task Force were played by Light up until Aizawa caught on. But that wasn't even until the second half of the show that any of the Task Force members even caught on to Light. Out of the females that were played by Light, there was a woman that had the potential for exposing Light, which happened to be Ray Pember's fiancée Naomi Misora. Granted that she was treated as a housewife before the death of fiance, she took matters into her own hands in tracking down Kira. It was even stated how she was an accomplished detective in her own right. Light had to go through a hassle just to get her identity because of her experience as a detective. And did this guy just said Death Note has fanservice? What kinda fanservice? |
Nurguburu said: BurntFlower said: I think you either have a poor understanding of what misogyny is, or have had the good fortune not to have watched sexist anime, but there are PLENTY that fall under that category. No, no one is saying SAO is sexist because girls fall in love with Kirito. That's just pandering wish-fulfillment. It's irritating to watch, but that's just my personal preference. The real reason why people say SAO is sexist is because of what happens to Asuna in the Fairy arc. Asuna, the main female character, gets trapped in a bird cage for 11 episodes. She gets constantly sexually assaulted by Sugou Noboyuki while captive. Her two main scenes in the second arc is when she tries to break free, but almost gets raped by that tentacle monster. Having rape scenes in an anime does not necessarily mean an anime is sexist, However, if said rape scene has directing, cinematography, and a narrative tone that portrays women as weak, in constant need of protection, and - even worse - the scenes are being shot in a voyeuristic way, then it certainly is. Again, that's not misogyny, its just controversial writing. The Fairy King Oberon is not victimized nor does he have good qualities at any time. Eh, even he's defeated, ridiculed, and even arrested in the end since the author just created a sexual predator to hate him. The arc could even be interpreted as a message against rapists just like Goblin Slayer. Wouldn't that be contrary to what you're saying? Plus, contrary to what many say, Asuna was never weak in the second arc, she was unarmed and they also caught her off guard in that scene. I could say the same thing about a form of uncensored and well directed murder with a weak boy/girl from a gore anime. It's highly unlikely that you say that scene is "inciting to kill" or "glorifies murder". Rape -unfortunately- and murder are common in human story, if ppl get triggered about that in fiction but not by murder, then its not the anime fault, its the person. I have my issues with Japan and pedophilia (lolicon, shotacon) since its a very different matter but I never have this type of "issue" that many ppl claim, because it does not exist! Also, I highly doubt that if they did that to men, someone would say something. The concept of "misogyny" was so distorted to the point that even porn can be considered sexist in this current era. Real misogyny is directly not showing the face of women, being submissive or directly women are non-existent in the show. Something that ppl do and did in the Middle East so you have an idea of what I'm talking about. I think you might have missed the last two sentences in my last paragraph, so I'll post it again: "Having rape scenes in an anime does not necessarily mean an anime is sexist, However, if said rape scene has directing, cinematography, and a narrative tone that portrays women as weak, in constant need of protection, and - even worse - the scenes are being shot in a voyeuristic way, then it certainly is." Goblin Slayer and SAO have gross directing, cinematography, and narrative tone in their portrayals of rape. What do I mean by that? This sexual violence is shot in a way that is exploitative. Extreme focus on breasts, butts, thighs, different sexual positions, etc. There obviously will be some nudity in a rape scene, but if it is excessive, it becomes less about the pain/anguish/horror of the female character and more about titillating the audience. Yes, the goblins and the Fairy King are portrayed as evil, but the message is undermined if said rape scene is shot in the manner I just described. And let's not forget that a rape scene becomes even more problematic when there is more focus on the male character's anger and increased motivation to stop said rape, than the female character's pain itself. Particularly gruesome anime with plenty of gore are criticized all the time as torture porn and glorification of violence. That is a whole other discussion, but it's not like people don't have criticisms directed at that type of genre. but I never have this type of "issue" that many ppl claim, because it does not exist! Also, I highly doubt that if they did that to men, someone would say something. Please clarify, I'm not sure what you're saying does not exist. Misogyny is real. It manifests itself in many ways and it is in every single country. It's not a problem that is exclusive to the Middle East. |
BurntFlowerJun 9, 2020 8:42 PM
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blue flames as the main character pushes his ex girlfriend to suicide and rapes his mistress... classy mother fucker... and the anime treats him in a sympathetic light which is too disgusting for words, goddamn that anime is shit. |
| Batman Beyond because of "Get back in the kitchen." ...As for actual anime, I got nothing. The less than 70 shows that I've watched are exploitative but not misogynistic to a "Get back in the kitchen" level or higher. But then again, looking at how Akira Toriyama characterizes women in Dragon Ball... |
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| Uhh probably every major anime (Attack on titan, SAO, shield hero) For introducing a badass female character, only for her to turn into some plot device for the MC, and in turn have her be some brainless and obsessed lame character. And that eventually joins a harem to worship the cock of the MC. |
| Diabolik Lovers, it's no wonder that it's named the most. Existing as an otome and ~what girls want~ is so offensive. Like they really couldn't have picked something better to adapt? And then there's Kishimoto's writing. |
Nurguburu said: @BurntFlower Im saying that "misogyny" in anime does not exist compared to misogyny in the Middle East (real life) and even with misogyny in the West (real life) but im sure that its more understandable if we compare it with another culture which is much worse than the West if we compare them. Women in the West have more rights that women in the Middle East, that's why I don't understand why anime is said to be sexist when it's the least harmless I've ever seen. Im sure that they have a worse time than the rest just looking the dominance of Islam that they have in their lives. Anyway its just fiction, that doesn't hurt anyone. Glorifying women is normal for straight men. Its just something biological so the rape scene could be hot for them cuz its not real so not be surprised if scenes like that have "directing, cinematography, and a narrative tone that portrays women as weak, in constant need of protection, and - even worse - the scenes are being shot in a voyeuristic way"....Japan and straight men like that. Your post is mind-boggling. Why on earth are you comparing sexism in anime to real-life problems women face in the Middle East? Of course REAL LIFE PROBLEMS of women are far worse than any misogyny in anime. Because they are real, and we are talking about sexism in cartoons. You are comparing apples to oranges. You mention straight men glorify women, but in your next sentence mention that straight men love fictional rape scenes because they are depictions of female dis-empowerment. Those two sentences are contradictory. Not every single man loves rape fantasies, btw. If you are someone who enjoys rape fantasies, consume niche hentai/media catered to that fetish. That is none of my business. What I do take issue to is when a director depicts rape scenes in a voyeuristic manner for an anime that will be seen by a large audience. Trust me, there are many of us who find it abhorrent to see sexual violence portrayed as fanservice. |
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_Maneki-Neko_ said: BurntFlower said: Uh, have you forgotten the rape scenes in Blue Flames? There are at least 3 of them. The worst one starts at minute 37:30. His girlfriend screams, "No...stop! No! Stop it!" as he grabs her forcefully after she pulled a knife on him. Knife clatters to the floor. He pushes her down onto the sofa, pinning her down under his weight as she keeps screaming no. He then rapes her. Of course, she's still in love with him after that, because this is a fucked up anime. I think I just wasted my time on this, tho I didn't really get the impression that the anime cheers on him either. It was more like "hey, look, terrible human beings exist in this world". But it was just pointless, I wasted like 45 minutes on that. I'm 27 years old, thanks I know different kind of terrible people and fucked up relationships. There are actually quite a lot of relationships with abuse or even rape and the women imagine still being in love with their boyfriend / husband. So it's really not unknown of. I've seen this in reality several times and that's just a fact. But I don't know what this OVA tries to do. It's ... just there, existing, giving you the most awful protagonist in anime history and being a waste of time. Seriously, which person that is like older than 14 (a 14 yo without life experience with family etc neither) and sometimes leaves their house, does think "Oh really, people can be huge assholes, even in their relationships? Now, that's new. Thanks for teaching me important life lessons." It's like "oh, I absolutely know there are real life situations like this, but now I wasted 45 minutes on that thing. Why." I did warn you all that those OVA were terrible! Some people agree with you that the anime does not show him in a positive light, but I disagree. I posted earlier my two major reasons why: "Ryuuichi is most definitely a sociopath, but I disagree with you that the anime does not glorify his exploits. The most blatant reason would be because all of the rape victims still love Ryuuichi, even after the assault. There are no scenes that depict them as having suffered from the rape either emotionally or physically. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Had the anime's intention been to portray those rape scenes as horrible, it would have realistically depicted the woman's pain after the rape - the self-loathing, the disgust, the depersonalization, the depression/shock, etc. And the second reason would be because of the overall tone of the OVA. In the rape scene I mentioned previously, a cheesy 90's synth soundtrack starts playing in the last few seconds of the rape, just as soon as the rape victim is screaming that she will do anything for Ryuuichi. Cut to the next scene of Ryuuichi in a cool, silver convertible, said corny song accompanying the scene. The ending solidifies the point that the OVA was not condemning his actions. There are no repercussions to his actions. He got away with everything, and managed to acquire more cash and a sweet car. His blue flame will continue burning, he thinks. Cue final shot of his eyes. A lighthearted flue song starts playing. Roll credits." Yeah, there are women who are trapped in abusive relationships, some who still have loving feelings towards their abuser. I agree it is not impossible for someone to still have romantic feelings after a terrible attack. It's all very sad....but the anime does not depict their love for Ryuuichi as tragic. If anything, they are used as examples as to why he is so "manly" and "cool". As to what was the point for the director to create such a monstrosity? I have no idea what emotions and thoughts ran through his brain as he directed this, and I would sleep more soundly at night if I never know. |
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| From this thread even existing and the cancerous replies, it is proof we need more western interference into Asian culture. |
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| Every anime with a overpowered protagonist ever, the heroines are always reduced to a powerless girl who needs to be protected just because the author wants to make the MC look as much as a Gary Stu as possible. |
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| Why are you dragging up 2 year old threads |
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