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ijuka said: You can't just use a command seal to kill a person and then that person dies automatically, the servant you command needs to be able to do so. Not saying that Archer wouldn't have been able to(doubt it very much though), but after that Archer could have killed both Rin and Shirou, right?[/quote]I said follow the plan they had to kill Caster. Or wasnt there a plan to begin with? Yea he could but why would he? Isnt he leaving Rin to join the strongest master? If she is dead what choices does he have? Rin is strong (i guess?) and has the help of Shirou and Saber. And we cant forget Saber, she wont just let them die if Archer tried something. chat77 said: You do realize that Archer went to the temple without Rin's approval in ep 7.And when he is hell bent on joining her,a single command seal is not going to stop him.Also,Archer's independent action is quite high Well I dont know how strong or not the commands are. Guess that wouldnt work. |
OneTrueEmiya said: damastah said: #AlternateScenario #Shirou4HumanShield2015 Taiga Dojo #41~ TBH there's a reason why that fight here is not canon. The moment Rin would have tried ANYTHING against Caster, she would be dead. |
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OneTrueEmiya said: Confirmed for 2nd cour BDs lol. |
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GrumpyWolf said: I said follow the plan they had to kill Caster. Or wasnt there a plan to begin with? Yea he could but why would he? Isnt he leaving Rin to join the strongest master? If she is dead what choices does he have? Rin is strong (i guess?) and has the help of Shirou and Saber. And we cant forget Saber, she wont just let them die if Archer tried something. By now, Saber's pretty much drained of all her prana, and she won't be fighting at a Servant level anytime soon. And assuming Archer's off to find the strongest Master, he'd go to Illya if Caster's dead. Shirou and Rin aren't even close to the output Illya has, so if he really needed to, he could always do that instead of returning to Rin. |
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CookingPriest said: OneTrueEmiya said: Taiga Dojo #41~ TBH there's a reason why that fight here is not canon. The moment Rin would have tried ANYTHING against Caster, she would be dead. Except shes still alive man the fights after prologue have all been so shit tbh saber lancer was good, but like everything else lasted 20 seconds or less |
Grapekiwi said: CookingPriest said: TBH there's a reason why that fight here is not canon. The moment Rin would have tried ANYTHING against Caster, she would be dead. Except shes still alive man the fights after prologue have all been so shit tbh saber lancer was good, but like everything else lasted 20 seconds or less I'm hoping it's cuz ufo's saving up the budget for the big fights. |
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OneTrueEmiya said: I honestly want them to do the upcoming fights ala F/Z Kerry vs Kirei with less talking lol.  |
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Grapekiwi said: CookingPriest said: TBH there's a reason why that fight here is not canon. The moment Rin would have tried ANYTHING against Caster, she would be dead. Except shes still alive man the fights after prologue have all been so shit tbh saber lancer was good, but like everything else lasted 20 seconds or less Because the fight was non-canon. It is anime-original nonsense. Rin can't do ANYTHING to Caster. And she would have to depend on Archer for defense. With Archer betraying her, that leaves her completely undefended. The reason she is not trying anything against Archer as he is betraying her is pretty clear in VN - the moment she tries anything, she is even more screwed - it was doubtful she could do anything WITH Archer's help(due to archer misguiding her) and any try to stop him here would end up in her dying faster. The moment she would try to stop Archer with command seal, either of the three would off her. OneTrueEmiya said: I'm hoping it's cuz ufo's saving up the budget for the big fights. A lot of first cour fights looked like mindless firework festsdue to bad choreography.So a LOT of tactics, intensity and depth and awesomeness was lost for sfx spam. Had they had choreography like in Prisma Illya or at least Fate Zero, it would have been great. Temple Fight in VN is one of my more awe-struck moments because it shows of just how overpowered Caster is. And Lancer/Saber fight is fascinating due to all the mindgames and tactics Shirou sees from both of them. |
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GrumpyWolf said: ijuka said: You can't just use a command seal to kill a person and then that person dies automatically, the servant you command needs to be able to do so. Not saying that Archer wouldn't have been able to(doubt it very much though), but after that Archer could have killed both Rin and Shirou, right?I said follow the plan they had to kill Caster. Or wasnt there a plan to begin with? Yea he could but why would he? Isnt he leaving Rin to join the strongest master? If she is dead what choices does he have? Rin is strong (i guess?) and has the help of Shirou and Saber. And we cant forget Saber, she wont just let them die if Archer tried something. chat77 said: You do realize that Archer went to the temple without Rin's approval in ep 7.And when he is hell bent on joining her,a single command seal is not going to stop him.Also,Archer's independent action is quite high Well I dont know how strong or not the commands are. Guess that wouldnt work.[/quote] command seals are pretty powerful but they arent 100% fullproof as been proven by Saber. and even if she did she now no longer has a command seal to prevent archer from just killing her anyways. just to throw this one out there this conversations wouldnt even habe been a thing if they didn't cut the line out...... |
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CookingPriest said: ijuka said: No Also the only reasonable thing Rin could have done from a logical PoV is to make Archer commit suicide before Caster could RB him. But it would have been out of character for her to do that. Any other commands would end afterward and Archer would be able to do whatever the hell he wants, though his mana supply would be cut, so he would have to not waste too much of it. |
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YggdrasilTM said: If you are interested, missing things watched in episode 13 at Sakura Con (this is not mine, I took it from a Beast Lair post) Ah, so where are the supposed scenes where Archer fights Kuzuki "evenly"? Where is that supposed scene where Rin "kicks" Shirou? Or the scene where Shirou interferes after Archer already got Rin's freedom? Yea, some of those earlier spoilers were either maliciously filled with half-truths for the purpose of baiting, or the observational abilities of the people who watched it was so bad they mixed up arms (shove) with legs (kick), or someone failed epicly at translating those lines. |
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Grey-Zone said: YggdrasilTM said: If you are interested, missing things watched in episode 13 at Sakura Con (this is not mine, I took it from a Beast Lair post) Ah, so where are the supposed scenes where Archer fights Kuzuki "evenly"? Where is that supposed scene where Rin "kicks" Shirou? Or the scene where Shirou interferes after Archer already got Rin's freedom? Yea, some of those earlier spoilers were either maliciously filled with half-truths for the purpose of baiting, or the observational abilities of the people who watched it was so bad they mixed up arms (shove) with legs (kick), or someone failed epicly at translating those lines. In the episode. You are justway too biased and pushing agenda to notice them. |
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CookingPriest said: Grey-Zone said: Ah, so where are the supposed scenes where Archer fights Kuzuki "evenly"? Where is that supposed scene where Rin "kicks" Shirou? Or the scene where Shirou interferes after Archer already got Rin's freedom? Yea, some of those earlier spoilers were either maliciously filled with half-truths for the purpose of baiting, or the observational abilities of the people who watched it was so bad they mixed up arms (shove) with legs (kick), or someone failed epicly at translating those lines. In the episode. You are justway too biased and pushing agenda to notice them. What are you refering to with that statement? |
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YggdrasilTM said: EPF when?If you are interested, missing things watched in episode 13 at Sakura Con (this is not mine, I took it from a Beast Lair post) |
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Guilek said: xShigarakix said: GARcher is so hot that the city is on fire. Those arms though... <3 |
CookingPriest said: Grey-Zone said: Ah, so where are the supposed scenes where Archer fights Kuzuki "evenly"? Where is that supposed scene where Rin "kicks" Shirou? Or the scene where Shirou interferes after Archer already got Rin's freedom? Yea, some of those earlier spoilers were either maliciously filled with half-truths for the purpose of baiting, or the observational abilities of the people who watched it was so bad they mixed up arms (shove) with legs (kick), or someone failed epicly at translating those lines. In the episode. You are justway too biased and pushing agenda to notice them. Where the fuck do you see Kuzuki fighting Archer evenly? |
| Fai, since you like to do it, go ahead and show me another one of your beloved gifs where Rin supposedly "kicks" (as in using her legs) Shirou. It would be very convincing if you did that. |
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Jtiger987 said: About the fight between Kuzuki and Archer, what literally happens is the following: > Rin fights Caster for like a minute > Kuzuki closes in on Rin in order to deal with her > Rin reacts immediately, calling out to Archer > Archer responds, this is his first action in the fight > He appears in front of Kuzuki, as if to block him, but instead slaps Rin away > Rin fires a Gandr, which Archer blocks, defending Kuzuki How is it possible to interpret any of this as a fight between Kuzuki and Archer? Because "lol, Fai". Or rather he cannot deal with the reality that he made 20 or so pages worth of posts about bad fanfiction (admittedly while not as much, I wasted my own time on that as well). When I first mentioned it he reacted very pissed, now he just denies reality. |
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Kolios said: CookingPriest said: In the episode. You are justway too biased and pushing agenda to notice them. Where the fuck do you see Kuzuki fighting Archer evenly? I don'tb ut the person at prescreening obviously did if he/she said that they seem even. |
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GARBrotato said: EPF when? Never. If it didn't play in that scene, it never will. Maybe it'll be somewhere in the OST as an unused track if we're lucky. |
astroprogs said: GARBrotato said: EPF when? Never. If it didn't play in that scene, it never will. Maybe it'll be somewhere in the OST as an unused track if we're lucky. Watch THAT OTHER track not be there at all too. |
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CookingPriest said: astroprogs said: Never. If it didn't play in that scene, it never will. Maybe it'll be somewhere in the OST as an unused track if we're lucky. Watch THAT OTHER track not be there at all too. EVERY Fate adaptation is required to have that track. If this one doesn't, then it's no Fate adaptation to me. I don't care if they play it over Shirou cooking. It's been done before anyway. |
astroprogs said: CookingPriest said: Watch THAT OTHER track not be there at all too. EVERY Fate adaptation is required to have that track. If this one doesn't, then it's no Fate adaptation to me. I don't care if they play it over Shirou cooking. It's been done before anyway. Zero did not have it. Miura will use NO MUSIC for that scene because music ruins the atmosphere, y'all. |
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Jtiger987 said: There are much more memorable tracks in the VN, such as Into the Night and Whirlpool of Fate that will never be in this adaptation, yet all people complain about is EPF. :/ The cour 1 OST got tracks like "Vortex of Fate" and "Souls to Fight". If you see it as a difference in translation, it becomes obvious that those are referencing VN tracks, although they sound nothing alike. Also everything points to "Unlimited Blade Works" replacing "Into the Night". |
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CookingPriest said: Zero did not have it. The drama CDs did, so I'll let it slide. |
Jtiger987 said: Grey-Zone said: The cour 1 OST got tracks like "Vortex of Fate" and "Souls to Fight". If you see it as a difference in translation, it becomes obvious that those are referencing VN tracks, although they sound nothing alike. Also everything points to "Unlimited Blade Works" replacing "Into the Night". Unlimited Blade Works sounds like something that would play at a completely different time than Into the Night. Somebody on here said that it could potentially replace "Emiya" during the No just no. That track can replace |
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Jtiger987 said: Unlimited Blade Works sounds like something that would play at a completely different time than Into the Night. Somebody on here said that it could potentially replace "Emiya" during the Urgh no... "Unlimited Blade Works" escpacially the end of the tracks sounds like... end of UBW spoilers |
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| Saber so erotic <3. Shiro's confession, Tousaka blushing .... Archer's betrayal. So many things happen in 1 ep. |
gino_san said: Saber so erotic <3. Shiro's confession, Tousaka blushing .... Archer's betrayal. So many things happen in 1 ep. My thoughts exactly. Solid first episode. |
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Avok said: trust me man....i don't think you've seen shit yet, just wait for the climax....you are probably gonna see things that you wont believe.....Lol at the butthurt VN players. |
| When i read posts of VN players that complain AF, i'm starting to feel happy that i don't give a shit about VN and i can enjoy the greatness i'm seeing. Great opening. |
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iLostReason said: When i read posts of VN players that complain AF, i'm starting to feel happy that i don't give a shit about VN and i can enjoy the greatness i'm seeing. Great opening. A weird situation we have now; where reading the source material might make you enjoy the adaptation less. Maybe people would benefit more from watching this before the VN . . . |
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Mickdrew said: iLostReason said: When i read posts of VN players that complain AF, i'm starting to feel happy that i don't give a shit about VN and i can enjoy the greatness i'm seeing. Great opening. A weird situation we have now; where reading the source material might make you enjoy the adaptation less. Maybe people would benefit more from watching this before the VN . . . It was the same with DEEN FSN from what I've seen. The adaptation was praised until people could actually read the source. |
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nocorras said: It was the same with DEEN FSN from what I've seen. The adaptation was praised until people could actually read the source. I am surprised no one says anything about Shirou being a "sexist" anymore... all people remember from that old anime seems to be "Seiba", "Aacha" and "people die when they are killed". |
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nocorras said: Mickdrew said: A weird situation we have now; where reading the source material might make you enjoy the adaptation less. Maybe people would benefit more from watching this before the VN . . . It was the same with DEEN FSN from what I've seen. The adaptation was praised until people could actually read the source. The difference is that half the people watching this anime are disillusioned from the salt being spread in the forums. |
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Grey-Zone said: people are still screaming sexist...just not here...nocorras said: It was the same with DEEN FSN from what I've seen. The adaptation was praised until people could actually read the source. I am surprised no one says anything about "sexist" now... all people remember from that old anime seems to be "Seiba", "Aacha" and "people die when they are killed". |
Mickdrew said: nocorras said: It was the same with DEEN FSN from what I've seen. The adaptation was praised until people could actually read the source. The difference is that half the people watching this anime are disillusioned from the salt being spread in the forums. I see what you did there. |
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