RE1031 said: @TheConquerer The Voyeur ability (visit someone + find out what actions were performed on them) is shared by multiple players. I think you have it, as did I, and so did Phraze. My theory (here was right o/ um no it wasn't sorry i have no idea what i'm doing edit: What happened is on night 2, CorruptedPurity was visited by me and Shinichi-kun. I got no results, Shinichi-kun got no results. Also on night 2, Claire and CorruptedPurity visited Shinichi-kun. Claire roleblocked Shinichi-kun, nulling his visit on CorruptedPurity, which is why both of us got no results back. I must be misunderstanding something but why does Shinichi getting roleblocked affect you? wait is your ability only to see if a player was visited? If so then I understand. I've been muddling up a bunch of these roles. Time to wait and see what cp and the salmon say before I can vote anyone. |
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TheConquerer said: I must be misunderstanding something but why does Shinichi getting roleblocked affect you? wait is your ability only to see if a player was visited? If so then I understand. I've been muddling up a bunch of these roles. Yup, that's my ability. |
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RE1031 said: Oh yea, my bad. I'm Ram, not Rem.Zymf: pretty sure claimed Rem a while back but Shinichi is Rem ?? I sorta claimed in this post, but I messed up the name. Even Shinichi-kun didn't notice the mistake, as proven by this post. |
TheConquerer said: But I'm the one who hammered Claire x.xZymf said: Goody. Now let's stick with Sollux. Any last-minute vote change means scum x.x Looks like someone was against the Claire lynch... |
◩ Vote Count 4.1 ◩ [ 1 ] CorruptedPurity - Zymf [ 1 ] Zymf - RE1031 Not Voting Red_Salmon, Sollux16, TheConquerer, CorruptedPurity, Mishukax Mod Note(s) Remember that this phase is 24 hours. ◩ Vote Track 4.1 ◩ Zymf: CorruptedPurity Red_Salmon: Sollux16: RE1031: Zymf TheConquerer: CorruptedPurity: Mishukax: |
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Zymf said: Well I'll be damned. Shinichi-kun actually made a good call o.o I was going to make a post against him for making the call. It was an unnecessary risk at the point. Cause 1) If you didn't change your vote, we're stuck at a tie which would be bad 2) If Claire flips town and Sollux has been modkilled and flips town, we automatically lose the game However this is not the case and the risk paid off, but I didn't agree with his decision making in general. Just because it was the right move doesn't mean it was the smart move, we may not be as lucky next time. Zymf said: Vote: CorruptedPurity Why didn't you protect Shinichi-kun with your bodyblocking ability? On the other hand.. during the night I actually began thinking more about whether bodyblocker would be a normal to have in this sort of setup. Having a doctor role that can continuously protect all the other informative roles may be too overpowered, so a way to nerf the protecting ability is to combine it with a roleblocking ability. However the bodyblocker is a roleblocker mixed with a bodyguard, not a doctor and as such it would already have 1 disadvantage and therefore didn't really need the second... Cause I chose to protect RedSalmon instead. I took the 50/50 and lost the coin flip. I don't know how you think that I have anything to do with how the mods balance the game. I get my role, I use it. I wouldn't have claimed til Shini forced me to and I claimed as I received my role. Sollux16 said: TheConquerer said: @Sollux16 come out come out, wherever you are... you're last post was 2 pages ago and didn't even provide your thoughts... @CorruptedPurity Did you protect anyone last night? @RE1031 You said you visited cp and they got no results of them? Did you say what your ability was because I don't see why you would have gotten no results. I saw the term rolestopper thrown out but if we assume Claire visited Shinichi and I think mafia probably have a single roleblocker then there shouldn't be a reason you got no results. Unless there's a town roleblocker who stopped you I don't think cp is mafia anymore since I don't believe two mafia folks would visit the same target. (Shinichi from night before). Did anyone watch Shinichi from this night and learn who visited him? Guys, I really am here, I promise. I'm just having difficulties keeping up due to classes. I've been bombarded with a crap ton of big projects. Also, I claimed and last time I checked, I wasn't added to the list of people that had claimed. I'm Yukio Okumura and I'm a town member, not a power role though. Shinichi was my biggest ally ;n; dang it! I still don't feel super great about Zymf buuuut I shall leave them be for now due to the weakness of my argument. I'll look into Mishu now, and a little more into Zymf just to be safe. Not gonna cast a vote for the time being. I'm mobile right now so this is the longest post I'm gonna do. I'll try to get better and avenge all the town we've lost, I promise. Please guys, work with me and I'll work with you, I don't want anymore mislynches. You guys did great at catching Claire, let's do it again. If you have any questions for me please feel free to ask, I'll answer as soon as I can to the best of my ability Honestly man, if you're really town, your inactivity is killing us. It affected my calculation and made me think you're being modkilled which means we have to make the smarter and safer play instead of the most optimal play. RE1031 said: @TheConquerer The Voyeur ability (visit someone + find out what actions were performed on them) is shared by multiple players. I think you have it, as did I, and so did Phraze. My theory (here was right o/ um no it wasn't sorry i have no idea what i'm doing edit: What happened is on night 2, CorruptedPurity was visited by me and Shinichi-kun. I got no results, Shinichi-kun got no results. Also on night 2, Claire and CorruptedPurity visited Shinichi-kun. Claire roleblocked Shinichi-kun, nulling his visit on CorruptedPurity, which is why both of us got no results back. Vote: Zymf What I think has been happening, weirdly enough, is the player who dies is determined the night before. Zymf visited Oyasumi_Rosie night 1, and she died night 2. Claire visited Shinichi-kun night 2, and he died night 3. If this pattern keeps up.. I think Red_Salmon might die tomorrow night. Another reason I have for suspecting Zymf is for this post. He didn't know about the Voyeur ability being a default for even twins, Claire too was unaware of this. This is a very interesting and likely theory, if I'm not mistaken, there is a role in MS about it. Poisoner It also negates any protective effects, so my bodyblock on shinichi wouldn't have mattered. It looks like a promising theory. Also, in your list, I did claim Terriermon like many posts ago... This is the one reason why I don't have an instant scum-read on zymf and why I'm willing to overlook RE's theory. Zymf could've stuck his vote with Sollux and kept the lynch a tie (technically more on Shini's fault than his), but he didnt. If he was the maf, why would he want to swap a tie to a lynch on one of his members? Doesn't make sense for him to do what he did if was maf. BUT He may be instead trying to play the long game and bussing claire is a great way to ensure that. He would have garnered all the trust by doing so. (More unlikely of my theory) I don't think we have reasons to scum read zymf tbh, RE's theory puts zymf in a terrible spot but purely based on his actions on the end of the last day, I am willing to trust him. Gentle reminder that we don't have time to dilly dally around as much anymore. I need all you to be active and contributing, we only have 24 hrs now. @Mishukax @Sollux16 especially you 2 |
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| Also Red and RE, gimme your reports for last night. Since roleblocker is out, the reports should give us an accurate reading on what's going on |
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| Visited Red_Salmon, and one other person visited him - which was probably you (CorruptedPurity). Okay so he may not die tomorrow night lol. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE1031: Hitachiin Kaoru (Voyeur) Townies: Sleipnirr: Pusle logic340: Lopmon Grapefruit21: Hitachiin Hikaru Oyasumi_Rosie: Chii (Follower) Phraze: Freya Shinichi-kun: Rem (Watcher) Pretty Sure: CorruptedPurity: Terriermon (Bodyblocker) Red_Salmon: Rin Okumura (Tracker) Mishukax: Minum TheConquerer: Kinoshita Hideyoshi (Voyeur ??) Unsure: Zymf: Ram Sollux16: Yukio Okumura Mafia: Claire: Kinoshita Yuuko (Roleblocker) |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| Surprised at the Shinichi death, was expecting mafia to be scared of targetting him, which makes me think they have something else to counter all the stalking roles we have. Alright so it seems Claire wasn't a vanilla role which kind of ruins my understanding of the setup because it makes two twins have a PR. In this case Hideyoshi (aka the second Voyeur) and Yuuko (roleblocker). This means mafia could be more scattered and perhaps someone has already fakeclaimed. Mishukax said: @TheConquerer answer my question please, ty I concluded he was voyeur from #812, would like him to confirm. I repeat this question to you, btw. Zymf said: Oh no, not another tie! The first player that changes his or her vote I will sheep! (preferably CorruptedPurity or stay with Sollux) Here I can see Zymf not really being in agreement with the Claire lynch. Zymf said: during the night I actually began thinking more about whether bodyblocker would be a normal to have in this sort of setup. Having a doctor role that can continuously protect all the other informative roles may be too overpowered, so a way to nerf the protecting ability is to combine it with a roleblocking ability. However the bodyblocker is a roleblocker mixed with a bodyguard, not a doctor and as such it would already have 1 disadvantage and therefore didn't really need the second... I'm so confused, is he a bodyblocker or a bodyguard? I assumed he was a bodyguard. I gave my thought before but if bodyguard is actually a role in this, I can see its use. "If he guards someone and dies in his stead, then it can confuse whoever stalked the intended victim." In other words any role that redirects actions/takes the place of another player/screws up targets can make sense in the setup, even as town roles. I can say that because of my own role. RE1031 said: The Voyeur ability (visit someone + find out what actions were performed on them) is shared by multiple players. I think you have it, as did I, and so did Phraze. Another reason I have for suspecting Zymf is for this post. He didn't know about the Voyeur ability being a default for even twins, Claire too was unaware of this. That's absolutely not true though. Phraze's only ability was to visit, she wasn't a voyeur. I don't see it as a default for 'even' twins. |
Based on the way my ability is explained, it makes sense to call it a bodyguard but my role states that I am "Beast Bodyblocker". Beast cause I'm terriermon, you can reference from Logic, my twin. I think that if Red watched Shinichi last night, he would be key to figuring out who's maf. If no one visited Shinichi last night, then we should go ahead and assume RE's theory is correct. |
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Mishukax said: That's absolutely not true though. Phraze's only ability was to visit, she wasn't a voyeur. I don't see it as a default for 'even' twins. Yeah I realized that and edited my post. Until Red_Salmon comes back, I don't see us going anywhere and I have to go to sleep soon.. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| What I do know is Red_Salmon was visited by RE1031 and CorruptedPurity. @TheConquerer @Red_Salmon Who did you visit/watch and did you get any info from it? |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE1031 said: Mishukax said: That's absolutely not true though. Phraze's only ability was to visit, she wasn't a voyeur. I don't see it as a default for 'even' twins. Yeah I realized that and edited my post. Until Red_Salmon comes back, I don't see us going anywhere and I have to go to sleep soon.. Ya, dont be a second me. Rest well. Our next big break will be when Salmon comes back |
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CorruptedPurity said: RE1031 said: Yeah I realized that and edited my post. Until Red_Salmon comes back, I don't see us going anywhere and I have to go to sleep soon.. Ya, dont be a second me. Rest well. Our next big break will be when Salmon comes back Shall do TTwTT |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| I'm the human motion detector not the voyeur, this means all I know is if any actions are committed by or to a player. One action was committed either by or to CP, that's all I know. I gotta vote Zymf, I just got no other real leads right now. I should be home at 3, so luckily today I can read and make a better decision! |
| I've been here way too long... |
TheConquerer said: I'm the human motion detector not the voyeur, this means all I know is if any actions are committed by or to a player. One action was committed either by or to CP, that's all I know. I gotta vote Zymf, I just got no other real leads right now. I should be home at 3, so luckily today I can read and make a better decision! It's by me, I bodyblocked Red |
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CorruptedPurity said: Your role is Bodyguard + Roleblocker, right? Which means that Bodyblocker makes the most sense.Based on the way my ability is explained, it makes sense to call it a bodyguard but my role states that I am "Beast Bodyblocker". Beast cause I'm terriermon, you can reference from Logic, my twin. Also, we only have 24 hours :O!? Welp! What can I do to make you guys trust me and not lynch me? RE1031 said: 1. The Voyeur ability is not shared by multiple people. One is a Voyeur, one is a Tracker, one is a Watcher and one is a Follower. They are similar but not the same. The normal compulsive visitors (myself included) get a bad feeling if our twin is visited. But I wouldn't call that a Voyeur either.@TheConquerer The Voyeur ability (visit someone + find out what actions were performed on them) is shared by multiple players. I think you have it, as did I, and so did Phraze. My theory (here was right o/ um no it wasn't sorry i have no idea what i'm doing edit: What happened is on night 2, CorruptedPurity was visited by me and Shinichi-kun. I got no results, Shinichi-kun got no results. Also on night 2, Claire and CorruptedPurity visited Shinichi-kun. Claire roleblocked Shinichi-kun, nulling his visit on CorruptedPurity, which is why both of us got no results back. Vote: Zymf What I think has been happening, weirdly enough, is the player who dies is determined the night before. Zymf visited Oyasumi_Rosie night 1, and she died night 2. Claire visited Shinichi-kun night 2, and he died night 3. If this pattern keeps up.. I think Red_Salmon might die tomorrow night. Another reason I have for suspecting Zymf is for this post. He didn't know about the Voyeur ability being a default for even twins, Claire too was unaware of this. 2. I don't think the deaths are delayed. Shinichi-kun died N3 because he was confirmed town D3. - Wait, I got a bad feeling N2 because someone visited Shinichi-kun, so I guess you are right! But then, how did Logic die N1? 3. I have always known that even night twins get a bad feeling if their twin is visited (aka "Voyeur"). For instance, I've mentioned it in this post. |
Zymf said: CorruptedPurity said: Your role is Bodyguard + Roleblocker, right? Which means that Bodyblocker makes the most sense.Based on the way my ability is explained, it makes sense to call it a bodyguard but my role states that I am "Beast Bodyblocker". Beast cause I'm terriermon, you can reference from Logic, my twin. I don't roleblock my targets, just prevent them from dying at the cost of my life. I repeated this many times to Shinichi on D3, go back and read. Why it's called bodyblock is beyond me. Zymf said: Also, we only have 24 hours :O!? Welp! What can I do to make you guys trust me and not lynch me? For the record, I do trust you as you can see from my long post. 1. The Voyeur ability is not shared by multiple people. One is a Voyeur, one is a Tracker, one is a Watcher and one is a Follower. They are similar but not the same. The normal compulsive visitors (myself included) get a bad feeling if our twin is visited. But I wouldn't call that a Voyeur either. 2. I don't think the deaths are delayed. Shinichi-kun died N3 because he was confirmed town D3. - Wait, I got a bad feeling N2 because someone visited Shinichi-kun, so I guess you are right! But then, how did Logic die N1? 3. I have always known that even night twins get a bad feeling if their twin is visited (aka "Voyeur"). For instance, I've mentioned it in this post. On 2, the point about Logic N1 makes sense. Unless maf can "toggle" their posion ability? We REALLY need Salmon now. @Red_Salmon We really need you now more than ever. Its a 24 hour phase. If you're rushing to read thru everything tl;dr People don't trust zymf because he was against lynching claire and RE found a theory on how Zymf may be a "poisoner" type of maf, but mainly because there are not much leads except him. Thus we need your report for more leads. Nothing much else happened. |
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| Also, the fact that we have less than 30 post today and less than 3 hrs left worries me. This is perfect mafia lurking grounds. *stares at Mishu and Sollux* Please, please talk more. Look at what I write, or what zymf writes or what RE writes and comment on that. It helps town alot. |
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TheConquerer said: I'm the human motion detector not the voyeur, this means all I know is if any actions are committed by or to a player. Ok so you're a simple motion detector. And I suppose you don't detect normal visits otherwise it would be pretty useless. This would mean that we have one of every kind from this list here. Honestly, even knowing this, this looks a little too convenient for you, I feel like your role is awkward compared to the other PR's roles. |
◩ Vote Count 4.2 ◩ [ 2 ] Zymf - RE1031, TheConquerer [ 1 ] CorruptedPurity - Zymf Not Voting Red_Salmon, Sollux16, CorruptedPurity, Mishukax Mod Note(s) @Sollux16 is in danger of being modkill if he does not meet requirement this phase ◩ Vote Track 4.2 ◩ Zymf: CorruptedPurity Red_Salmon: Sollux16: RE1031: Zymf TheConquerer: Zymf CorruptedPurity: Mishukax: |
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CorruptedPurity said: Oh ok, Sorry. I get your frustration now xDI don't roleblock my targets, just prevent them from dying at the cost of my life. I repeated this many times to Shinichi on D3, go back and read. Why it's called bodyblock is beyond me. |
aa-dono said: Mod Note(s) @Sollux16 is in danger of being modkill if he does not meet requirement this phase 7 players. If Sollux is modkilled and flips town, 6 players. If we mislynch 5 players and the night kill will make it 4 players. 2 maf, 2 town. We lose. This is the exact same rationale as yesterday that if we mislynch we lose , thus our only options are not lynching, lynching sollux or not mislynching (which tbh is what I feel an unnecessary risk). Just because we were lucky yesterday with Shinichi, doesn't mean we will be today. Vote:Sollux16 Call me a coward, but it is a much safer play considering the probability that Sollux may be modkilled and flip town. |
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| Also, we have less than 2 hours left. Where the hell is red? |
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CorruptedPurity said: Also, we have less than 2 hours left. Where the hell is red? If Red doesn't give us results I'm just gonna follow your plan to lynch Sollux since it gives us another day. Didn't want to follow your plan the previous day because lynching Claire was more appealing but now I'm at a loss. Or we could just not lynch by causing a tie between two players but there's risk of hammer, which could lead to both a townie and Sollux to die. Feels weird to fall on this conclusion since Sollux has been suspected for a long time and we always ended up not lynching him by giving the benefit of the doubt to the more silent townies (here Shinichi would scream "no lynch fodders!") , but I personally think there's a pretty fair chance that he's a mafia according to my assimilation of the setup, and so high chances of Zymf being mafia too. I could imagine scenarios where Conq is maf, where RE1031 is maf, where you are maf, where Zymf is maf... So I choose to just believe the claims since they make sense in the setup. Your own claim makes me uneasy but I'm not a role that stalks either so I'm tempted to believe you. If Sollux turns town I'll have to say that the mafia are you and Zymf, or Zymf and Conq, but leaning more on the former. |
Mishukax said: TheConquerer said: I'm the human motion detector not the voyeur, this means all I know is if any actions are committed by or to a player. Ok so you're a simple motion detector. And I suppose you don't detect normal visits otherwise it would be pretty useless. This would mean that we have one of every kind from this list here. Honestly, even knowing this, this looks a little too convenient for you, I feel like your role is awkward compared to the other PR's roles. Hey I don't invent the roles. That's the one I was handed. The only odd one out so far seems to be a bodyguard role honestly... |
| I've been here way too long... |
| @CorruptedPurity - It's dangerous to go for a no-lynch unless we all agree to place our votes on Sollux. Because otherwise the mafia could change their vote to a townie in the last second and win the game. If everyone agrees, I'm down with lynching Sollux. Vote: Sollux Also, I think we should make a complete list of Night actions. These are mine: Ram (Normal compulsive visitor) N1: Visited Oyasumi_Rosie N2: Visited _Claire_ + Got a bad feeling N3: Visited RE1031 |
| vote change: Sollux16 Depending if Red_Salmon comes along + gives more information, may change vote. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| Reached that point of the night where I switch from computer to mobile. I won't write long posts anymore (I don't think i need to at this stage of the game tbh due to how inactive town is) but I will still be active til phase end. |
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| Well I don't have a good feeling about this anymore lol. |
| I mean sollux could be mafia but doesn't the inactivity feel really really annoying and shifty... Let's think about this, mafia killed shinichi so he must've been seen as a threat. Shinichi could see who a player targeted so did he say who he was gonna target last night. Hence maybe why he was killed over redsalmon? |
| I've been here way too long... |
| Half an hour left, where is everyone... vote sollux Already been pointed out they might get modkilled anyway... |
| I've been here way too long... |
| Yeah no unless someone is bussing, Sollux isn't maf. Can't help it if they get modkilled but if we can bring down a maf today like we did with Claire that'd be good, that way we don't end up in MYLO. Tell me guys, suppose we lynch Sollux, he's town, and another townie dies tonight. We're down to 5 players with probably 2 mafia. Who would you vote? |
| As in the next day? That's impossible to say without more info... |
| I've been here way too long... |
Mishukax said: Yeah no unless someone is bussing, Sollux isn't maf. Can't help it if they get modkilled but if we can bring down a maf today like we did with Claire that'd be good, that way we don't end up in MYLO. Tell me guys, suppose we lynch Sollux, he's town, and another townie dies tonight. We're down to 5 players with probably 2 mafia. Who would you vote? Zymf or CorruptedPurity. I also don't think Sollux is mafia. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
RE1031 said: Zymf or CorruptedPurity. I also don't think Sollux is mafia. Alright so we're on the same page. Zymf/Corrupted or Zymf/Conq for me. Zymf is in both so I'd probably vote Zymf, but as Conq said, the results could change our mind. |
| Do we even have enough votes to change and to be effective? |
| I've been here way too long... |
| vote change: CorruptedPurity I trust TheConquerer. I just realized this contradiction now - if TheConquerer saw that one action was performed on Red_Salmon, and I visited Red_Salmon and saw that someone else visited Red_Salmon, then CorruptedPurity is lying. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| Actually I saw one action was either performed by or to cp |
| I've been here way too long... |
TheConquerer said: Actually I saw one action was either performed by or to cp Oh whoops never mind.. unvote |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| Let's all hope sollux is scum I guess... |
| I've been here way too long... |
RE1031 said: I trust TheConquerer. I just realized this contradiction now - if TheConquerer saw that one action was performed on Red_Salmon, and I visited Red_Salmon and saw that someone else visited Red_Salmon, then CorruptedPurity is lying. I don't get it. You visited Salmon and saw that there was an action on him (you should know what that action is btw? according to your role) Conq visited Corrupted and his role told him that the was 1 action that has something to do with Corrupted. So probably Corrupted's visit on Salmon CorruptedPurity visited Salmon claiming to have bodyguarded him (without success). Conq didn't visit Salmon. |
| Oh, it was cleared up. Nevermind. Also Sollux is like 99% townie at this point soooo yeah. Do you see maf bussing at this point? I don't. |
Zymf said: TheConqueror I think. Haven't really thought it through, but Motion Detector is an easy fake-claim to make. I thought the same. It falls in the same category as the other PRs in this game but it's not on the same level at all so maybe he just tried filling a hole. Conq's twin was a PR mafia though... |
| Arrrgh vote Zymf guys? vote Zymf Sorry but sollux feels wayy to innocent right now even if they are absent I have this panicky thought were gonna screw this up... |
| I've been here way too long... |
Mishukax said: RE1031 said: I trust TheConquerer. I just realized this contradiction now - if TheConquerer saw that one action was performed on Red_Salmon, and I visited Red_Salmon and saw that someone else visited Red_Salmon, then CorruptedPurity is lying. I don't get it. You visited Salmon and saw that there was an action on him (you should know what that action is btw? according to your role) Conq visited Corrupted and his role told him that the was 1 action that has something to do with Corrupted. So probably Corrupted's visit on Salmon CorruptedPurity visited Salmon claiming to have bodyguarded him (without success). Conq didn't visit Salmon. Yeah that was a misreading on my part. Still weird though because I was notified that it was a visit on Red_Salmon, not a bodyguard or anything of the sort. |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
Arrrgh but at the same time sollux could be scum, just maybe.... |
| I've been here way too long... |
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