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Viktor_Otaku said:

Well you must remember that those colonist had most probably putted everything on the line just to get to Mars and start a new life, of course they are going to be piss when they get cheated by Earth, and yet they just can't pack up and leave, not when they had invested so much time and effort into it.

It is highly likely that the project just expected colonists to develop mars by themselves and never considered it as an investment. Also, an ancient civilization spawned in mars of all places, a planet without usable resources.

It was stated in the promo and in the series that Mars was a lush planet, around 32 thousand years ago when the ancient civilization was thriving.

And it is highly unlikely that Earth was going to just foot the bill for the colonist, they had paved the way by financing previous expeditions, built up the moon base to facilitate the colonization and whatnots, they are sure to be chalking up the bills and be thinking like "screw this, I am not paying for this much. I will at first but the colony have to pay afterwards."

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swn32 said:

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Inaho would've been nothing without the Sleipnir

Now now, we both know that's simply not true.

Yes, he'd start his own religion. A religion devoted to eggs and weekly sales on them. Worshippers would be split between scrambled eggs and omlettes and wars would be waged over the form that INAHOJESUS intended breakfast eggs to be in.

Mar 10, 2015 10:07 AM

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Viktor_Otaku said:

And it is highly unlikely that Earth was going to just foot the bill for the colonist, they had paved the way by financing previous expeditions, built up the moon base to facilitate the colonization and whatnots, they are sure to be chalking up the bills and be thinking like "screw this, I am not paying for this much. I will at first but the colony have to pay afterwards."

So the main problem was the lack of communication from the program and the idealism of the colonists.

Mar 10, 2015 10:08 AM

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Icezera said:

Yes, he'd start his own religion. A religion devoted to eggs and weekly sales on them. Worshippers would be split between scrambled eggs and omlettes and wars would be waged over the form that INAHOJESUS intended breakfast eggs to be in.

Eggjokes aside, a sleipnir is a completely ordinary object in that universe. What's extraordinary is his brain.

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swn32 said:

Icezera said:

Inaho would've been nothing without the Sleipnir

Now now, we both know that's simply not true.

Of course that is not true, but Inaho's current exploits are largely thanks to his bio-mechanical eye as well.

TBH I would like to see Inaho getting an upgrade if s3 comes to pass. The toll of the eye would had degraded his brain function somewhat, causing him to seek an upgrade.

Inaho's exploits are derived largely from his basic skills and intellect given by the writers. It is fine, but the writers have to be careful not to allow it to turn him into an OP character, but that is exactly what is happening now.

Mar 10, 2015 10:10 AM

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swn32 said:

Viktor_Otaku said:

And it is highly unlikely that Earth was going to just foot the bill for the colonist, they had paved the way by financing previous expeditions, built up the moon base to facilitate the colonization and whatnots, they are sure to be chalking up the bills and be thinking like "screw this, I am not paying for this much. I will at first but the colony have to pay afterwards."

So the main problem was the lack of communication from the program and the idealism of the colonists.

I think the colonist had made their point quite clearly, literally yelling at the top of their lungs while Earth was plugging its ears. Their main spokesperson was the Emperor, that is before he was arrested on trumped up charges.

Mar 10, 2015 10:12 AM

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I think the colonist had made their point quite clearly, literally yelling at the top of their lungs while Earth was plugging its ears. Their main spokesperson was the Emperor, that is before he was arrested on trumped up charges.

What I don't understand is, with something like Aldnoah power why would they even need resources. They have a nearly limitless source of energy right at their disposal. They can literally use aldnoah to develop the planet instead of leaching Earth's resources.

Why can't they use cloning to clone resources :/

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swn32 said:

Viktor_Otaku said:

I think the colonist had made their point quite clearly, literally yelling at the top of their lungs while Earth was plugging its ears. Their main spokesperson was the Emperor, that is before he was arrested on trumped up charges.

What I don't understand is, with something like Aldnoah power why would they even need resources. They have a nearly limitless source of energy right at their disposal. They can literally use aldnoah to develop the planet instead of leaching Earth's resources.

This is the real problem. The promo materials pretty much state that Earth didn't prepare the colonists well, then ignored their requests for help, which led to tension and eventual rebellion after they attempted to quell the tension by arresting their leader.

But Aldnoah is miraculous in nearly every sense of the word, yet apparently cannot be used to... make up for lack of resources or something. Since Aldnoah isn't explained, we can only sit and wonder why. The writers dropped the ball on never explaining a damn thing about it.

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swn32 said:

Viktor_Otaku said:

I think the colonist had made their point quite clearly, literally yelling at the top of their lungs while Earth was plugging its ears. Their main spokesperson was the Emperor, that is before he was arrested on trumped up charges.

What I don't understand is, with something like Aldnoah power why would they even need resources. They have a nearly limitless source of energy right at their disposal. They can literally use aldnoah to develop the planet instead of leaching Earth's resources.

It was stated in the series ( I think it was Saazbaum), that for all the power Aldnoah possessed, terrarforming and food production was not among them. It is basically a plot fact to get Vers a reason to wage war against Earth.

Mar 10, 2015 10:16 AM

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It was stated in the series ( I think it was Saazbaum), that for all the power Aldnoah possessed, terrarforming and food production was not among them. It is basically a plot fact to get Vers a reason to wage war against Earth.

Yet the power demonstrated by Aldnoah clearly shows otherwise. I think Martians should stop war mongering and actually focus on development. That would actually help them figure out how Aldnoah can be used exactly for those purposes.

Mar 10, 2015 10:19 AM

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Indeed, aldnoah still hasn't been explained and we're 21 episodes in. Compare to Gundam 00, Code Geass, or even TTGL. We knew a lot about their respective magical fuel sources by now. It seems recent trends like A/Z and Valvrave don't want to actually lay it out because that risks writers being trapped by the rules they create. Instead, they want to just use it like Superman, powers out the wazoo as the plot demands.

Mar 10, 2015 10:22 AM

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Viktor_Otaku said:

swn32 said:

So the main problem was the lack of communication from the program and the idealism of the colonists.

I think the colonist had made their point quite clearly, literally yelling at the top of their lungs while Earth was plugging its ears. Their main spokesperson was the Emperor, that is before he was arrested on trumped up charges.

From the point i made and the source information Aldnoah give us, ur correct. Rayreglia already keep mentioning on how dangerous the planet is and how harsh the life is which is why he asked for more support to colonize the planet.

However the EF at that time just dismiss his concern and end up continuing the immigration program which causes many problem in the universe. Again just like Gundam where the first space immigration program is not really good. As most of the immigrant is convicts or political enemies.

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swn32 said:

Viktor_Otaku said:

It was stated in the series ( I think it was Saazbaum), that for all the power Aldnoah possessed, terrarforming and food production was not among them. It is basically a plot fact to get Vers a reason to wage war against Earth.

Yet the power demonstrated by Aldnoah clearly shows otherwise. I think Martians should stop war mongering and actually focus on development. That would actually help them figure out how Aldnoah can be used exactly for those purposes.

I thought the quick improvement on Aldnoah research is helped by Slaine father right? If that's the case, it is not a wonder on why they quickly moved to military conquest as with Slaine father's death, the research will slow down. And of course without the research, resource will keep dwindling which is why they just focus on using whatever tech they had to take over earth.

Stupid i know but if in the context, they had almost no other way, it just need to be done.T_T

Mar 10, 2015 10:28 AM

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Indeed, aldnoah still hasn't been explained and we're 21 episodes in. Compare to Gundam 00, Code Geass, or even TTGL. We knew a lot about their respective magical fuel sources by now. It seems recent trends like A/Z and Valvrave don't want to actually lay it out because that risks writers being trapped by the rules they create. Instead, they want to just use it like Superman, powers out the wazoo as the plot demands.

I wonder what kinda resources the Martians would need to terraform their planet. If Aldnoah isn't enough, what could Earth possibly provide?

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swn32 said:

Viktor_Otaku said:

It was stated in the series ( I think it was Saazbaum), that for all the power Aldnoah possessed, terrarforming and food production was not among them. It is basically a plot fact to get Vers a reason to wage war against Earth.

Yet the power demonstrated by Aldnoah clearly shows otherwise. I think Martians should stop war mongering and actually focus on development. That would actually help them figure out how Aldnoah can be used exactly for those purposes.

Those powers do not have any uses for agriculture or terraforming. How could they had grown food with dimensional barriers, plasma blades and rocket fist. You could lower the temperature with elysium but it would not help to recover lost water.

The power of Aldnoah is vast, but is is not godlike, they may be good for war but not for everyday life. Remember, following the promo material Vers had a good 20 yrs or so to develop the Aldnoah tech, but they never succeeded in producing enough food for everyone nor had they terraformed Mars.

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Viktor_Otaku said:
it would not help to recover lost water.

Ortygia disagrees.

Viktor_Otaku said:

The power of Aldnoah is vast, but is is not godlike, they may be good for war but not for everyday life.

They would be, if used correctly.

Viktor_Otaku said:
Remember, following the promo material Vers had a good 20 yrs or so to develop the Aldnoah tech, but they never succeeded in producing enough food for everyone nor had they terraformed Mars.

Martians even more incompetent that Earth.

Mar 10, 2015 10:32 AM

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swn32 said:

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Indeed, aldnoah still hasn't been explained and we're 21 episodes in. Compare to Gundam 00, Code Geass, or even TTGL. We knew a lot about their respective magical fuel sources by now. It seems recent trends like A/Z and Valvrave don't want to actually lay it out because that risks writers being trapped by the rules they create. Instead, they want to just use it like Superman, powers out the wazoo as the plot demands.

I wonder what kinda resources the Martians would need to terraform their planet. If Aldnoah isn't enough, what could Earth possibly provide?

Like Viktor stated, Aldnoah has vast potential but seems limited in its use. The only possible power we've seen that could've solved their problems was the Duplication mecha. No real explanation why that wasn't the answer to all their problems.

Maybe they have a certain range (all need to be within 30m), a time limit, weak durability (stabbing a duplicated steak=poof), or it only duplicates the mecha and what's inside it, you can't take anything out.

Best answer is bad writing that wasn't thought out though...

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Maybe they have a certain range (all need to be within 30m), a time limit, weak durability (stabbing a duplicated steak=poof), or it only duplicates the mecha and what's inside it, you can't take anything out.

Best answer is bad writing that wasn't thought out though...

If they can do cloning via quantum teleportation, which isn't even theoretically possible. I'm quite sure they don't need to worry about energy.

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swn32 said:

Viktor_Otaku said:
it would not help to recover lost water.

Ortygia disagrees.

Viktor_Otaku said:

The power of Aldnoah is vast, but is is not godlike, they may be good for war but not for everyday life.

They would be, if used correctly.

Viktor_Otaku said:
Remember, following the promo material Vers had a good 20 yrs or so to develop the Aldnoah tech, but they never succeeded in producing enough food for everyone nor had they terraformed Mars.

Martians even more incompetent that Earth.

So how could Ortygia recover the water then, remember that the water is no just evaporated, but had disappeared from Mars completely. And how are you suggesting that they can incorporated things like long range laser cannons, freezing fields and dimensional barriers for everyday life like growing food.
This is not a matter of incompetency, it is about the limitation that the writers had set upon the power of Aldnoah.

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Maybe they have a certain range (all need to be within 30m), a time limit, weak durability (stabbing a duplicated steak=poof), or it only duplicates the mecha and what's inside it, you can't take anything out.

Best answer is bad writing that wasn't thought out though...

If they can do cloning via quantum teleportation, which isn't even theoretically possible. I'm quite sure they don't need to worry about energy.

We have not even seen that if it could had worked on organic things, and so far it shows that it cannot duplicate infinitely and what is created would most likely disappear into the same nothingness it came from, you can't work with that. It cannot duplicate living or organic things otherwise we would have been seeing multiple counts dealing with a personality crisis.

Energy is one thing, channeling the energy into a physical form is another kettle of fish entirely.

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Indeed, aldnoah still hasn't been explained and we're 21 episodes in. Compare to Gundam 00, Code Geass, or even TTGL. We knew a lot about their respective magical fuel sources by now. It seems recent trends like A/Z and Valvrave don't want to actually lay it out because that risks writers being trapped by the rules they create. Instead, they want to just use it like Superman, powers out the wazoo as the plot demands.

I wonder what kinda resources the Martians would need to terraform their planet. If Aldnoah isn't enough, what could Earth possibly provide?

Oh well you know, fresh water, oxygen, livestocks, basically everything that Aldnoah could not create ?

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It cannot duplicate living or organic things otherwise we would have been seeing multiple counts dealing with a personality crisis.

It duplicated the Count didn't it?

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It cannot duplicate living or organic things otherwise we would have been seeing multiple counts dealing with a personality crisis.

It duplicated the count. If the count wasn't duplicated, then every copy wouldn't be equivalent to the real thing.

You can literally have a sandwich inside that kataphrakt and feed the entire population.

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So how could Ortygia recover the water then, remember that the water is no just evaporated, but had disappeared from Mars completely. And how are you suggesting that they can incorporated things like long range laser cannons, freezing fields and dimensional barriers for everyday life like growing food.
This is not a matter of incompetency, it is about the limitation that the writers had set upon the power of Aldnoah.

Aldnoah doesn't manifest in terms of laser cannons or freezing fields. Aldnoah is more of an immense power source that makes all this possible. With such an immense power source, they can do pretty much anything.

Viktor_Otaku said:

Energy is one thing, channeling the energy into a physical form is another kettle of fish entirely.

They can mass produce oxygen if they wanted. Water and oxygen can always be recycled, and that should be very easy if they don't have any energy problems. Terraforming isn't just simply transfering resources from planet A to planet B. Planet B should be self sufficient. With the power of Aldnoah they should be able to. Leaching off earth serves no purpose.

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basically everything that Aldnoah could not create ?

I don't believe there is such a thing.

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The entire quantum teleportation ability was stupid to be honest, and I honestly don't think its worth discussing what such a method should or shouldn't be able to do. Its science fiction after all.

I'd commended them on their use of science that is somewhat grounded in reality for many of the Vers invasions so far this series, as it gives the generic encounters at least some level of intrigue.

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Don't think too hard about whether or not the aldnoah machines should be able to do what they do. First episode of the season had a machine that reverses entropy change. That should be enough to convince you that such discussions are pointless.

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How did this reach >1000 post so quickly? Jeezus people go watch some anime instead.

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How did this reach >1000 post so quickly? Jeezus people go watch some anime instead.

Need something to do while I'm at work!

fst said:
Don't think too hard about whether or not the aldnoah machines should be able to do what they do. First episode of the season had a machine that reverses entropy change. That should be enough to convince you that such discussions are pointless.

Interestingly, I thought that was one of the better uses of science in a fight so far. Not necessarily in the believability of such a dilution field existing, but the way it effected the environment and Inaho's strategy for overcoming it.

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Icezera said:
Like Viktor stated, Aldnoah has vast potential but seems limited in its use. The only possible power we've seen that could've solved their problems was the Duplication mecha. No real explanation why that wasn't the answer to all their problems.

Oh, I'll join the discussion. That is indeed a plothole laid in the very foundation of the setting.

Mars has minerals and they have free energy, some other alien technology must be available too. Yep, let's imagine that they can't terraform, due to lack of, say, people and stuff. But they could construct habitable domes. They hardly really need to cultivate all the surface to maintain the population at the moment. It was mostly transferred from Earth, so it can't be very numerous (they won't send billions), and only 1-2 generations passed, so the increase can't be that big as well (they won't reproduce as rabbits in the harsh conditions either).

But aldnoah is not only poorly explained in its workings, it's also unclear what parts of their tech they build and what they have found. As well as the power output of a core and how available they are. If the can't be reproduced - they are the main resource they have and should fight for. And a castle needs some way too many cores - is the power output low? A huge Deucalion uses only one, but a castle needs a room plastered with the things!
Maybe the cores are rare, so the enrgy is not available for anyone. Then the counts who use them for war are usurpers. But also how did they get such a ton, when they were separated from Mars? (And where were the castles built? And why does the huge number of cores seem to be the same in all of them?)
Btw a feudal system would be logical in a society, where the main resource - the cores - is given by a king, and the living conditions depend on the nobles, and everyone lives in a dome, governed by one of the families. But do we see anything explained like this in A.Z? As they put it, they try to cultivate lands of Mars, where there's no soil, for fuck's sake!
Also, wait, what's the situation with the atmosphere on Mars in their universe?..

Then their level and interest in technology is inconsistent, especially with their circumstances. With low amount of people available, they should be concerned with safety and medicine way more. They may despise their lower classes, but their lower classes are also harder to come buy. There're way less slums to search for human rubble in a place where maintaining life takes considerable effort. It's especially important for their military personnel.
With their holographic communication system that, as it seems, covers their whole castle and is able to recognise people and adapt for their movenets, they have very poor security and reconnaissance.

Some things may be explained by the fact that they became militaristic right away, as a means of survival. So this may cause societal deformations. But basic logic should apply to them nonetheless.

Each time I think about Vers I think I should read the full version of The Sirens of Titan (I read excerpts). It's also about a militaristic Mars with poor life conditions and poor inderstanding of reality, but plenty of propaganda. But it's terribly sad, it, unfortunately, strikes very close and, I have a strong suspicion, it refers to the USSR (and I don't want to read stuff like that any more).

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Also, damn, it seems that they have finally decided to use the civil war in Vers plot. But that would've been good before Cruhteo's death or, maybe, when Saaz was alive. It seems so terribly late now, when all the players who had real beef with the main Vers are gone.

And they completely ignored Mars until now. They'd need to introduce not a character, which is late too, but a whole society (or maybe even civilization). It'll change things too much for the current plot to hold.

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swn32 said:

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It cannot duplicate living or organic things otherwise we would have been seeing multiple counts dealing with a personality crisis.

It duplicated the count. If the count wasn't duplicated, then every copy wouldn't be equivalent to the real thing.

You can literally have a sandwich inside that kataphrakt and feed the entire population.

Viktor_Otaku said:

So how could Ortygia recover the water then, remember that the water is no just evaporated, but had disappeared from Mars completely. And how are you suggesting that they can incorporated things like long range laser cannons, freezing fields and dimensional barriers for everyday life like growing food.
This is not a matter of incompetency, it is about the limitation that the writers had set upon the power of Aldnoah.

Aldnoah doesn't manifest in terms of laser cannons or freezing fields. Aldnoah is more of an immense power source that makes all this possible. With such an immense power source, they can do pretty much anything.

Viktor_Otaku said:

Energy is one thing, channeling the energy into a physical form is another kettle of fish entirely.

They can mass produce oxygen if they wanted. Water and oxygen can always be recycled, and that should be very easy if they don't have any energy problems. Terraforming isn't just simply transfering resources from planet A to planet B. Planet B should be self sufficient. With the power of Aldnoah they should be able to. Leaching off earth serves no purpose.

Viktor_Otaku said:

basically everything that Aldnoah could not create ?

I don't believe there is such a thing.

1) We still don't know whether the object can last for ever, for all accounts it could just last for a short while and then vanish, hardly filling for a lunch. And it can't duplicate itself indefinitely, that means you could only have 3 sandwich at anyone time and when you duplicate another, the last one that is now in someones stomach vanishes. Honestly the whole duplication via quantum teleportation is the worst attempt of A/Z to explain something in a sci-fic way, it does not make sense even to the scientific mind and the process was poorly explained.

2)
To mass produce oxygen you will need the elements that compromise it, my chemistry is a bit rusty but afaik oxygen is a pure element, it exist on its own. To produce more oxygen you will need a process like electrocuting water to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen. And water itself is pretty scared on Mars already.

Mars currently lacks water, oxygen and a full atmosphere. These are elements that need to be replaced as there is few if none left on Mars. The energy can help in the process, but it is by no means an end onto itself. And as Deadoptimist stated, the technology was salvaged, so there are some parts missing, some technology that is lost. And uptill now we have yet to see any Aldnoah drive capable of producing any physical elements like atoms.

3) This I can't help you with.

Aldnoah had always been poorly explained in the series, on one hand it can do things that seem like magic, on the other it can't seem to even solve the most basic issues here. We are both running around in circles here.

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Icezera said:
Like Viktor stated, Aldnoah has vast potential but seems limited in its use. The only possible power we've seen that could've solved their problems was the Duplication mecha. No real explanation why that wasn't the answer to all their problems.

Oh, I'll join the discussion. That is indeed a plothole laid in the very foundation of the setting.

Mars has minerals and they have free energy, some other alien technology must be available too. Yep, let's imagine that they can't terraform, due to lack of, say, people and stuff. But they could construct habitable domes. They hardly really need to cultivate all the surface to maintain the population at the moment. It was mostly transferred from Earth, so it can't be very numerous (they won't send billions), and only 1-2 generations passed, so the increase can't be that big as well (they won't reproduce as rabbits in the harsh conditions either).

But aldnoah is not only poorly explained in its workings, it's also unclear what parts of their tech they build and what they have found. As well as the power output of a core and how available they are. If the can't be reproduced - they are the main resource they have and should fight for. And a castle needs some way too many cores - is the power output low? A huge Deucalion uses only one, but a castle needs a room plastered with the things!
Maybe the cores are rare, so the enrgy is not available for anyone. Then the counts who use them for war are usurpers. But also how did they get such a ton, when they were separated from Mars? (And where were the castles built? And why does the huge number of cores seem to be the same in all of them?)
Btw a feudal system would be logical in a society, where the main resource - the cores - is given by a king, and the living conditions depend on the nobles, and everyone lives in a dome, governed by one of the families. But do we see anything explained like this in A.Z? As they put it, they try to cultivate lands of Mars, where there's no soil, for fuck's sake!
Also, wait, what's the situation with the atmosphere on Mars in their universe?..

Then their level and interest in technology is inconsistent, especially with their circumstances. With low amount of people available, they should be concerned with safety and medicine way more. They may despise their lower classes, but their lower classes are also harder to come buy. There're way less slums to search for human rubble in a place where maintaining life takes considerable effort. It's especially important for their military personnel.
With their holographic communication system that, as it seems, covers their whole castle and is able to recognise people and adapt for their movenets, they have very poor security and reconnaissance.

Some things may be explained by the fact that they became militaristic right away, as a means of survival. So this may cause societal deformations. But basic logic should apply to them nonetheless.

Each time I think about Vers I think I should read the full version of The Sirens of Titan (I read excerpts). It's also about a militaristic Mars with poor life conditions and poor inderstanding of reality, but plenty of propaganda. But it's terribly sad, it, unfortunately, strikes very close and, I have a strong suspicion, it refers to the USSR (and I don't want to read stuff like that any more).

------
Also, damn, it seems that they have finally decided to use the civil war in Vers plot. But that would've been good before Cruhteo's death or, maybe, when Saaz was alive. It seems so terribly late now, when all the players who had real beef with the main Vers are gone.

And they completely ignored Mars until now. They'd need to introduce not a character, which is late too, but a whole society (or maybe even civilization). It'll change things too much for the current plot to hold.

I don't think that the Aldnoah drives are lacking, not when Vers was willing to use them to power a whole fleet of Stygian fighter crafts.

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Shadzy_ said:
I'd commended them on their use of science that is somewhat grounded in reality for many of the Vers invasions so far this series, as it gives the generic encounters at least some level of intrigue.

So black hole force fields and controlling tidal forces are grounded in reality?

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Shadzy_ said:
I'd commended them on their use of science that is somewhat grounded in reality for many of the Vers invasions so far this series, as it gives the generic encounters at least some level of intrigue.

So black hole force fields and controlling tidal forces are grounded in reality?

The plasma blades, the freezing fields and the oversized mosquito zappers did took a few leaves from a science text book. However, the writers did not pay too much attention to the cloning process or the stealthed mech.

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Viktor_Otaku said:
I don't think that the Aldnoah drives are lacking, not when Vers was willing to use them to power a whole fleet of Stygian fighter crafts.

I don't think so either. I mostly meant that there is inconsistency here as well. A huge flying battleship manages on one core, a castle has a shitton of them. And the difference is size is, say, no more than 10 times, I think. It would be like having 100 reactors in one facility. Either a castle has some extremely power-consuming facilities, and I mean a really insane level, or they simply wanted to make a pretty room with glowing globes without much care for the meaning.

Mar 11, 2015 4:07 AM

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deadoptimist said:

Viktor_Otaku said:
I don't think that the Aldnoah drives are lacking, not when Vers was willing to use them to power a whole fleet of Stygian fighter crafts.

I don't think so either. I mostly meant that there is inconsistency here as well. A huge flying battleship manages on one core, a castle has a shitton of them. And the difference is size is, say, no more than 10 times, I think. It would be like having 100 reactors in one facility. Either a castle has some extremely power-consuming facilities, and I mean a really insane level, or they simply wanted to make a pretty room with glowing globes without much care for the meaning.

My money is on option 2

Mar 11, 2015 4:16 AM

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deadoptimist said:

Viktor_Otaku said:
I don't think that the Aldnoah drives are lacking, not when Vers was willing to use them to power a whole fleet of Stygian fighter crafts.

I don't think so either. I mostly meant that there is inconsistency here as well. A huge flying battleship manages on one core, a castle has a shitton of them. And the difference is size is, say, no more than 10 times, I think. It would be like having 100 reactors in one facility. Either a castle has some extremely power-consuming facilities, and I mean a really insane level, or they simply wanted to make a pretty room with glowing globes without much care for the meaning.

Yes, that pretty much dismiss the argument that Aldnoah is a limitless energy source that can power virtually anything without limitation.

Mar 11, 2015 5:01 AM

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You ever think that they just ignored the extremely important rule of establishing how everything in universe works, and what its rules are, even if you don't reveal them to audience?

Prettyyyyyyyyyyyyy sure it looks like it.

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ANGRY2011 said:
You ever think that they just ignored the extremely important rule of establishing how everything in universe works, and what its rules are, even if you don't reveal them to audience?

Prettyyyyyyyyyyyyy sure it looks like it.

Yeah, any attempt to argue otherwise at this point would be silly. *gives a sideways glance to the other side of the forum*
That's... that's a shitty writing, no matter how I look at it. Though it is kinda strange, cause it must be in the first 5 points of every "sci-fi writing 101". If the laws of the universe are unclear, cultures, characters and their motivations would become unrealistic as well.

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deadoptimist said:

ANGRY2011 said:
You ever think that they just ignored the extremely important rule of establishing how everything in universe works, and what its rules are, even if you don't reveal them to audience?

Prettyyyyyyyyyyyyy sure it looks like it.

Yeah, any attempt to argue otherwise at this point would be silly. *gives a sideways glance to the other side of the forum*
That's... that's a shitty writing, no matter how I look at it. Though it is kinda strange, cause it must be in the first 5 points of every "sci-fi writing 101". If the laws of the universe are unclear, cultures, characters and their motivations would become unrealistic as well.

Don't look at me I never said the series did a good job explaining Aldnoah. Hell I'd rather have that than the dramafest this second season has been

Mar 11, 2015 5:32 AM

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Darklight0303 said:

deadoptimist said:

Yeah, any attempt to argue otherwise at this point would be silly. *gives a sideways glance to the other side of the forum*
That's... that's a shitty writing, no matter how I look at it. Though it is kinda strange, cause it must be in the first 5 points of every "sci-fi writing 101". If the laws of the universe are unclear, cultures, characters and their motivations would become unrealistic as well.

Don't look at me I never said the series did a good job explaining Aldnoah. Hell I'd rather have that than the dramafest this second season has been

Don't worry japanese eat that up, shipping Slaine and Inaho, Slaine and Princess and Inaho and his sister.

Yeah...

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Hey, for the sake of reviving the conversation, who do you think will help the princess(es) run? Mazuurek or Cruhteo's son? They seem to fall under one type and one role, so I dunno how the two of them will be developped simultaneously (developped. in A.Z. ha-ha).

Do you think Lemrina will run too?
Will she survive in the end?

Will Inaho be out for some time ot they'll bail out with saying that his eye aches more for now?

Will anyone from the terran cast finally die for Christ's sake?

Is Harklight a ticking bomb, or they simply overdid the slated eyes thing and he is loyal?

Edit: Will Cruteo's son try to take Tharsis from Slaine?

Your bets.

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deadoptimist said:
Hey, for the sake of reviving the conversation, who do you think will help the princess(es) run? Mazuurek or Cruhteo's son? They seem to fall under one type and one role, so I dunno how the two of them will be developped simultaneously (developped. in A.Z. ha-ha).

Do you think Lemrina will run too?
Will she survive in the end?

Will Inaho be out for some time ot they'll bail out with saying that his eye aches more for now?

Will anyone from the terran cast finally die for Christ's sake?

Is Harklight a ticking bomb, or they simply overdid the slated eyes thing and he is loyal?

Your bets.

I see Mazurek and Cronkine working together to get the princesses out( though Lemrina is a bit iffy since we don't know how they'd react to an illegitimate child.) if they can get to meet.

If they're attacking the moon base Inaho staying out of the battle won't be a luxury he can afford. I see his condition deteriorating because of that.

Harklight is too loyal at this point to see any kind of betrayal coming.

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Darklight0303 said:
I see Mazurek and Cronkine working together to get the princesses out( though Lemrina is a bit iffy since we don't know how they'd react to an illegitimate child.) if they can get to meet.

From the narrative point of view I find this variant far from ideal, since they are both recently introduced and underdevelopped characters, who also seem very similar. The only difference would be the newcomer's connection with Cruhteo (but he has already said that he wasn't too close wth his father) and the agenda of the Mars mainland.

Darklight0303 said:
Harklight is too loyal at this point to see any kind of betrayal coming.

I think they won't give him any meaningful role too, it's just that I see some people think that he may betray Slaine, cause he got dangerous Hellas and has nasty facial expressions.

Mar 11, 2015 2:49 PM

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Really, I want see the end of this series.
I wish I could skip few last episodes and see ending.

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Weekly reminder that Slaine is the only reason to watch this hilariously bad show.

This.

Really parts with Slaine are more interesting to watch than with Inaho.

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deadoptimist said:
Hey, for the sake of reviving the conversation, who do you think will help the princess(es) run? Mazuurek or Cruhteo's son? They seem to fall under one type and one role, so I dunno how the two of them will be developped simultaneously (developped. in A.Z. ha-ha).

Both are wildcards I feel, in that we don't entirely know where their allegiances lie. Mazuurek seems to be loyal to the princess, though that could be a facade. Cruhteo's son, well we don't really know much about him at all do we. You'd think his views would be fairly similar to his fathers, who if I recall was very loyal to the crown, so I'm guessing he's going to be a thorn in Slaine side along with Mazuurek.

Honestly, just about anything could be done with these characters at this stage though given how little screen time they've had.

deadoptimist said:
Do you think Lemrina will run too? Will she survive in the end?

Before the most recent episode I'd have said No and No, but now I'm not so sure. Her jumping to Asseylum's side so quickly was quite unexpected to be honest, and since she only spoke a few vague words to Slaine its hard to say exactly what her mind set is right now. At face value it looks like she's with Asseylum, so whatever she does, Lemrina will follow I'd say.

deadoptimist said:
Will Inaho be out for some time ot they'll bail out with saying that his eye aches more for now?

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to say that Inaho will die at some point. Writers seem to love the idea of the hero paying the ultimate sacrifice in some ridiculously heroic way, so I wouldn't count that out. The eye seems like obvious foreshadowing, but the extent of the issue is kinda vague at this stage. Who knows to be honest, Inaho has been cradled so heavily this series that it wouldn't surprise me if he ended up living in a completely anti-climactic way.

deadoptimist said:
Will anyone from the terran cast finally die for Christ's sake?

You'd think so right? I mean, they've been at war for several years noow, repeatedly engaging in fights where they were vastly disadvantaged, but nada.

deadoptimist said:
Is Harklight a ticking bomb, or they simply overdid the slated eyes thing and he is loyal?

I'd have thought he's loyal, but honestly who knows. I wouldn't put it beyond the writers to do some "I've actually been working with Cruhteo's son all along!" bullshit out of no where.

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Edit: Will Cruteo's son try to take Tharsis from Slaine?

I'd honestly forgotten that the Tharsis was originally Cruhteo's, but now that you mention it I'd say its pretty likely to come up in some way.

Mar 11, 2015 8:01 PM

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So What happened to the plan to get Harklight promoted to knight and given curly's kata?

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Knight-Artorias said:
So What happened to the plan to get Harklight promoted to knight and given curly's kata?

I thought that had already happened? Or are were they still waiting on technicalities?

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Shadzy_ said:

Knight-Artorias said:
So What happened to the plan to get Harklight promoted to knight and given curly's kata?

I thought that had already happened? Or are were they still waiting on technicalities?

I sure hope it happened but I don't remember seeing it and now with Himes locked up don't think they can give it to him

Plus he is still wearing the blue outfit instead of grey

Mar 11, 2015 8:13 PM

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