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Jun 1, 2013 10:14 AM
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gamer2710 said: If anything, the standard prices we pay in the US and elsewhere (other than Japan) are unfair in our favor. And before 2006 or so, $30 for 4 episodes was pretty normal in the US. Aniplex are merely trying out the Japanese/premium price model of getting a few high-priced sales from a few dedicated fans, rather than trying to reach the mass market with lower prices. IIRC their Kara no Kyoukai first print run sold out despite its high prices, so Aniplex must've met their sales targets at least on that show.DateYutaka said: Well, it's not here. Let's put it into perspective:gamer2710 said: Red_Keys said: Exactly. $600 for a 25-episode series? The fuck?But honestly. Who spends that kind of money on television? sorry thats normal for me Standard price for a short anime TV series (basically, anyone but Aniplex): Under $100 Aniplex US price for a short anime TV series: Well Over $100 See what I'm getting at here? |
Jun 1, 2013 10:18 AM
#102
Jun 1, 2013 10:40 AM
#103
Forgetfulness said: spyrocoot said: The joke's on Aniplex. As far as I'm aware, the anime DVDs they sell are NOT price inelastic, so they are going to end up with less revenue than what they would if they charged them at a lower price. Once the distributor gets the message that they aren't making any sales, the prices will soon lower. Really? I heard Fate/Zero(which was something like 400 dollars for the first season) sold out like instantly It did, and it made the Japanese a much easier profit than selling the distribution rights to someone like Funimation would have. |
Jun 1, 2013 10:51 AM
#104
TaquishaJohnson said: Forgetfulness said: spyrocoot said: The joke's on Aniplex. As far as I'm aware, the anime DVDs they sell are NOT price inelastic, so they are going to end up with less revenue than what they would if they charged them at a lower price. Once the distributor gets the message that they aren't making any sales, the prices will soon lower. Really? I heard Fate/Zero(which was something like 400 dollars for the first season) sold out like instantly It did, and it made the Japanese a much easier profit than selling the distribution rights to someone like Funimation would have. Do they consistently sell out their products, or was that a one-off? |
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Jun 1, 2013 10:56 AM
#105
spyrocoot said: TaquishaJohnson said: Forgetfulness said: spyrocoot said: The joke's on Aniplex. As far as I'm aware, the anime DVDs they sell are NOT price inelastic, so they are going to end up with less revenue than what they would if they charged them at a lower price. Once the distributor gets the message that they aren't making any sales, the prices will soon lower. Really? I heard Fate/Zero(which was something like 400 dollars for the first season) sold out like instantly It did, and it made the Japanese a much easier profit than selling the distribution rights to someone like Funimation would have. Do they consistently sell out their products, or was that a one-off? That was more of a one-off due to Fate/Zero's popularity. |
Jun 1, 2013 11:10 AM
#106
I don't get it, does Aniplex somehow know what all the super popular series are going to be or do they make the anime popular themselves? I'd also really like to see some numbers and/or sources from the people who said Fate/Zero sold out in a heartbeat. On a separate note, here's my general reaction to some anime licenses as a consumer when I found out who the companies were: Sword Art Online: Aniplex US Me: D: Attack on Titan: FUNimation Me: :D Garden of Sinners: Aniplex US Me: Eh. Garden of Sinners: No chance of a dub. Me: D:< |
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Jun 1, 2013 11:14 AM
#107
They are totally unfair. I really wanted to buy KNK: Garden of Sinners but holy shit I can't afford that. Not to mention the quality of the boxsets are notoriously bad. |
Jun 1, 2013 11:51 AM
#108
Forgetfulness said: Nope. Impossible.I wonder if somewhere in Japan... otakus are complaining how it's unfair that Americans get whole anime series for less than $100 You guys ever thought about that? |
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Jun 1, 2013 11:55 AM
#109
Reverse-importation is actually a bit of a problem in Japan. Some Japanese anime fans prefer to wait until an anime gets an English release, because they're typically much cheaper, and they import those instead of buying the expensive Japanese versions. Charging us what they charge the Japanese eliminates this problem. |
Jun 1, 2013 12:15 PM
#110
TaquishaJohnson said: So you don't see higher US prices as a problem for you? Not for the Japanese, not for other die-hard fans, but for you?Reverse-importation is actually a bit of a problem in Japan. Some Japanese anime fans prefer to wait until an anime gets an English release, because they're typically much cheaper, and they import those instead of buying the expensive Japanese versions. Charging us what they charge the Japanese eliminates this problem. |
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Jun 1, 2013 12:33 PM
#111
Forgetfulness said: I wonder if somewhere in Japan... otakus are complaining how it's unfair that Americans get whole anime series for less than $100 You guys ever thought about that? Their currency has more value so idgaf |
Jun 1, 2013 12:48 PM
#112
Pirate and stream illegally so you can feel cool like I do |
Jun 1, 2013 1:00 PM
#113
HurricaneSweet said: Pirate and stream illegally so you can feel cool like I do ... or you can be a dick to the industry and have them end up distributing less anime. Where's the coolness factor in that?! Look, I know it's not easy to get these due to pricing, but hey, depending on the value of a certain anime show, maybe it wouldn't hurt to actually buy with a high price. These shows are made from Japan, and high fees would be expected. Thing is: ... I should find a job and hoping that some of these go on sale. |
Jun 1, 2013 1:08 PM
#114
I'd pay for anime if it's available here in my country, :3 so f*** them they should their fault for not distributing it here :/ Couple of days ago I bought my first manga volume even though I read it because it was available so again f***them, their fault :3 |
Jun 1, 2013 1:16 PM
#115
filmftw1 said: HurricaneSweet said: Pirate and stream illegally so you can feel cool like I do ... or you can be a dick to the industry and have them end up distributing less anime. Where's the coolness factor in that?! Look, I know it's not easy to get these due to pricing, but hey, depending on the value of a certain anime show, maybe it wouldn't hurt to actually buy with a high price. These shows are made from Japan, and high fees would be expected. Thing is: ... I should find a job and hoping that some of these go on sale. No... Don't indulge a company with poor business ethics. Don't let a company fuck you over. I have a ton of anime and a ton of merchandise. I only buy a product if I feel it's being sold fairly. That's how everyone should buy their merchandise. If you buy stuff that is being sold for way too much you're only giving that company another reason to continue selling stuff for that much. Make a stand and show you won't pay $600 for 12 episodes. If you do, the price will eventually come down and then you can support the industry in a reasonable way. |
Jun 1, 2013 2:00 PM
#116
Forgetfulness said: lucjan said: filmftw1 said: HurricaneSweet said: Pirate and stream illegally so you can feel cool like I do ... or you can be a dick to the industry and have them end up distributing less anime. Where's the coolness factor in that?! Look, I know it's not easy to get these due to pricing, but hey, depending on the value of a certain anime show, maybe it wouldn't hurt to actually buy with a high price. These shows are made from Japan, and high fees would be expected. Thing is: ... I should find a job and hoping that some of these go on sale. No... Don't indulge a company with poor business ethics. Don't let a company fuck you over. I have a ton of anime and a ton of merchandise. I only buy a product if I feel it's being sold fairly. That's how everyone should buy their merchandise. If you buy stuff that is being sold for way too much you're only giving that company another reason to continue selling stuff for that much. Make a stand and show you won't pay $600 for 12 episodes. If you do, the price will eventually come down and then you can support the industry in a reasonable way. lolno. You can do that if you want but the truth is that the anime companies don't care as much about sales in other countries. Their target audience are the otakus in Japan and they will likely continue to buy it. So you're saying the American releases are mostly consumed by Japanese otaku? |
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Jun 1, 2013 2:39 PM
#117
Forgetfulness said: lolno. You can do that if you want but the truth is that the anime companies don't care as much about sales in other countries. Their target audience are the otakus in Japan and they will likely continue to buy it. If they didn't care they wouldn't be sold here. All I'm saying is that the public will make a point over whether they like the price or not. I don't see anyone complaining about Funimation or Sentai's prices. They price their anime good. Aniplex does not. Which is why so many are angry. I certainly do hope Aniplex gets the hint. Their prices are ridiculous. The U.S doesn't have the same economy as Japan so it isn't fair to treat us as if it does. |
Jun 1, 2013 2:55 PM
#118
lucjan said: Forgetfulness said: lolno. You can do that if you want but the truth is that the anime companies don't care as much about sales in other countries. Their target audience are the otakus in Japan and they will likely continue to buy it. If they didn't care they wouldn't be sold here. All I'm saying is that the public will make a point over whether they like the price or not. I don't see anyone complaining about Funimation or Sentai's prices. They price their anime good. Aniplex does not. Which is why so many are angry. I certainly do hope Aniplex gets the hint. Their prices are ridiculous. The U.S doesn't have the same economy as Japan so it isn't fair to treat us as if it does. Any normal business would change the price of a good to meet demand, so Aniplex SHOULD decrease their prices. |
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Jun 1, 2013 3:15 PM
#119
spyrocoot said: But if people are already buying it, therefore meeting demand. Then why should they change it.lucjan said: Forgetfulness said: lolno. You can do that if you want but the truth is that the anime companies don't care as much about sales in other countries. Their target audience are the otakus in Japan and they will likely continue to buy it. If they didn't care they wouldn't be sold here. All I'm saying is that the public will make a point over whether they like the price or not. I don't see anyone complaining about Funimation or Sentai's prices. They price their anime good. Aniplex does not. Which is why so many are angry. I certainly do hope Aniplex gets the hint. Their prices are ridiculous. The U.S doesn't have the same economy as Japan so it isn't fair to treat us as if it does. Any normal business would change the price of a good to meet demand, so Aniplex SHOULD decrease their prices. |
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Jun 1, 2013 3:18 PM
#120
IntroverTurtle said: spyrocoot said: But if people are already buying it, therefore meeting demand. Then why should they change it.lucjan said: Forgetfulness said: lolno. You can do that if you want but the truth is that the anime companies don't care as much about sales in other countries. Their target audience are the otakus in Japan and they will likely continue to buy it. If they didn't care they wouldn't be sold here. All I'm saying is that the public will make a point over whether they like the price or not. I don't see anyone complaining about Funimation or Sentai's prices. They price their anime good. Aniplex does not. Which is why so many are angry. I certainly do hope Aniplex gets the hint. Their prices are ridiculous. The U.S doesn't have the same economy as Japan so it isn't fair to treat us as if it does. Any normal business would change the price of a good to meet demand, so Aniplex SHOULD decrease their prices. People are? News to me. |
Jun 1, 2013 3:19 PM
#121
IntroverTurtle said: spyrocoot said: But if people are already buying it, therefore meeting demand. Then why should they change it.lucjan said: Forgetfulness said: lolno. You can do that if you want but the truth is that the anime companies don't care as much about sales in other countries. Their target audience are the otakus in Japan and they will likely continue to buy it. If they didn't care they wouldn't be sold here. All I'm saying is that the public will make a point over whether they like the price or not. I don't see anyone complaining about Funimation or Sentai's prices. They price their anime good. Aniplex does not. Which is why so many are angry. I certainly do hope Aniplex gets the hint. Their prices are ridiculous. The U.S doesn't have the same economy as Japan so it isn't fair to treat us as if it does. Any normal business would change the price of a good to meet demand, so Aniplex SHOULD decrease their prices. That's the thing though, is there evidence that supply and demand has been met? I don't know how inelastic Aniplex's goods are, but I'd have thought they'd increase their revenue by decreasing the price and increasing the supply. |
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Jun 1, 2013 3:40 PM
#122
Yo man this aniplex shit rippin us off fuckin bullshit we want our mothafuckin animu man |
Jun 1, 2013 4:03 PM
#123
lucjan said: Are you implying people aren't? You guys already mentioned Fate/Zero being sold out on the first day or whatever. So people are buying it despite the high prices.People are? News to me. spyrocoot said: Do you have any evidence that it isn't? Well that's the thing, you think. You don't work for them, you don't know how much money they make. They choose to have high prices which is closer to Japan's price, which gives more money to the company who makes the anime. That's their choice, it's also your choice to not buy their stuff.That's the thing though, is there evidence that supply and demand has been met? I don't know how inelastic Aniplex's goods are, but I'd have thought they'd increase their revenue by decreasing the price and increasing the supply. |
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Jun 1, 2013 4:06 PM
#124
I didn't mention anything about Fate/Zero and haven't read through the thread. Man, people will indulge anything "^__^ |
Jun 1, 2013 4:17 PM
#125
IntroverTurtle said: lucjan said: Are you implying people aren't? You guys already mentioned Fate/Zero being sold out on the first day or whatever. So people are buying it despite the high prices.People are? News to me. spyrocoot said: Do you have any evidence that it isn't? Well that's the thing, you think. You don't work for them, you don't know how much money they make. They choose to have high prices which is closer to Japan's price, which gives more money to the company who makes the anime. That's their choice, it's also your choice to not buy their stuff.That's the thing though, is there evidence that supply and demand has been met? I don't know how inelastic Aniplex's goods are, but I'd have thought they'd increase their revenue by decreasing the price and increasing the supply. Firstly, nobody has provided any evidence to prove that Fate/Zero was sold out in one day, especially at such a stupid price. Additionally, even if it did, we can't say that the other anime they've licensed would sell as well. Secondly, while I can't be bothered to waste my time looking up Aniplex US' sales records, I can assume that they'd be better off lowering the price and selling a higher supply. This is because anime DVDs are generally elastic. They are elastic because one could easily torrent or stream anime, so that acts as a substitute to purchasing. |
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Jun 1, 2013 5:35 PM
#126
EmeraldSlate said: Yo man this aniplex shit rippin us off fuckin bullshit we want our mothafuckin animu man real talk nig nog |
Jun 1, 2013 6:00 PM
#127
Forgetfulness said: I haven't found anything about Fate/Zero yet. Remember, I said that I HEARD it. However, there's a quote here from Aniplex USA's president about Kara no Kyoukai which we all know was very expensive as well. “The demand for The Garden of Sinners has been tremendous. Immediately after the Blu-Ray Box Set sold out here in North America, we received numerous requests from fans in North America to bring this masterpiece back. We are certain that everyone will be pleased with this release.” says Hideki Goto http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2012-09-24/aniplex-of-america-announces-the-garden-of-sinners-limited-edition-dvd-box-set-details-and-release-date EDIT: Still haven't found anything about selling out, but found another quote about Fate/Zero specifically "We're very excited that we can bring the second half of this fan-favorite title to North America at the same time it is being released in Japan,‖ says Hideki Goto, the president of Animation Business of Aniplex of America. ―The Fate/Zero - Blu-ray Disc Box I is still in high demand and like our previous release of "The Garden of Sinners" http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2012-06-08/aniplex-of-america-launches-the-fate/zero-blu-ray-disc-box-ii-on-september-19th-2012 So it doesn't seem like they're short on customers Compared to Aniplex's other releases, 532 minutes of footage from a limited edition version of KnK doesn't seem too bad for $150, but it's still pretty pricey. Plus, maybe it's just I'm not paying enough attention because of the time, but where's the evidence that Fate/Zero sold well? $370 for the first season is a piss take. Even if it did sell well, however, we couldn't say this is true for the other series they licensed. |
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Jun 1, 2013 6:15 PM
#128
I'd love for them to lower the prices on their domestic releases (I understand they cant do much for the imports like Fate/Zero and KnK blu rays). It seems like they have only been getting higher and higher. Before you could buy all of ROD and Durarara for $150 each. That may be high, but its only $50 more than what Funi would charge, and they were better box sets. Now it's like $150 a cour, so shows like Blue Exorcist now come up to $280 for the whole season. Maybe if they took away all those useless extras it would be less. Look at the SAO release: original soundtrack CD 1, a 16-page deluxe booklet, illustration pin-ups, and an exclusive collectible card, Trailer, First Season Textless Opening, Audio Commentary by Creators and Japanese Cast, Special Animation "Sword Art Offline," Original Web Previews. Most of that stuff is USELESS. Take it out and give me a cheaper price. Like I care about commentary in JAPANESE. I dont speak it. Granted it would still be more expensive than Funi and Sentai, and I'm fine with that. But this is just unreasonable IMO. Drop it to $100/ cour (less would be even better) and I'll be a happy camper. BTW that Madoka release was just BS. The normal Blu Rays should have been like $25 and the LE should have been like $50. $40 and $80 is just crazy. |
Jun 1, 2013 6:34 PM
#129
spyrocoot said: Forgetfulness said: I haven't found anything about Fate/Zero yet. Remember, I said that I HEARD it. However, there's a quote here from Aniplex USA's president about Kara no Kyoukai which we all know was very expensive as well. “The demand for The Garden of Sinners has been tremendous. Immediately after the Blu-Ray Box Set sold out here in North America, we received numerous requests from fans in North America to bring this masterpiece back. We are certain that everyone will be pleased with this release.” says Hideki Goto http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2012-09-24/aniplex-of-america-announces-the-garden-of-sinners-limited-edition-dvd-box-set-details-and-release-date EDIT: Still haven't found anything about selling out, but found another quote about Fate/Zero specifically "We're very excited that we can bring the second half of this fan-favorite title to North America at the same time it is being released in Japan,‖ says Hideki Goto, the president of Animation Business of Aniplex of America. ―The Fate/Zero - Blu-ray Disc Box I is still in high demand and like our previous release of "The Garden of Sinners" http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2012-06-08/aniplex-of-america-launches-the-fate/zero-blu-ray-disc-box-ii-on-september-19th-2012 So it doesn't seem like they're short on customers Compared to Aniplex's other releases, 532 minutes of footage from a limited edition version of KnK doesn't seem too bad for $150, but it's still pretty pricey. Plus, maybe it's just I'm not paying enough attention because of the time, but where's the evidence that Fate/Zero sold well? $370 for the first season is a piss take. Even if it did sell well, however, we couldn't say this is true for the other series they licensed. They sold well in comparison to their price and availability. The KnK blu rays were an import, so they were the same as the Japanese release, except with subtitles and a translation booklet. I;m willing to bet the reason they sold out so fast was because the Japanese otaku bought most of them. Edit: To the poster above me. Yeah there are two versions. The Blu Rays were release a couple years ago and sold out. Those were the ones I was talking about in my post. The DVD's are strictly an Aniplex of America release I believe, as they have the same form factor as one of their releases (as well as no special features). Those are still on sale now. Also, I'm pretty sure the KnK blu rays were being sold for $400 on RightStuff, and the MSRP was $600. I wasnt around back then but thats what I saw on another post on another forum. |
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Jun 1, 2013 6:51 PM
#130
The only question I have to ask about all this is this: How many copies did they actually have made? It's easy to say "we sold well" if they only had like 100 copies. :P |
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Jun 1, 2013 7:00 PM
#131
gamer2710 said: The only question I have to ask about all this is this: How many copies did they actually have made? It's easy to say "we sold well" if they only had like 100 copies. :P You probably arent very high off from the mark. Like I said, they sold well considering the price and availability. I'm guessing RightStuff had less than 500 copies. Most likely less than 250 if it sold out that fast. |
Jun 1, 2013 7:09 PM
#132
DeWinter said: Yey! More Aniplex Hate. Even I am a little tired of seeing people complain about their prices and I dislike the company myself. Don't like them? Don't buy from them. I never buy from them directly, I've made a point not to. Except that their existence keeps us from our favorite anime sometimes. |
Jun 1, 2013 7:17 PM
#133
Battlechili1 said: DeWinter said: Yey! More Aniplex Hate. Even I am a little tired of seeing people complain about their prices and I dislike the company myself. Don't like them? Don't buy from them. I never buy from them directly, I've made a point not to. Except that their existence keeps us from our favorite anime sometimes. No it doesn't, you can torrent or stream them. Or of course you can pay well over their goods' valuations. |
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Jun 1, 2013 7:53 PM
#134
spyrocoot said: Battlechili1 said: DeWinter said: Yey! More Aniplex Hate. Even I am a little tired of seeing people complain about their prices and I dislike the company myself. Don't like them? Don't buy from them. I never buy from them directly, I've made a point not to. Except that their existence keeps us from our favorite anime sometimes. No it doesn't, you can torrent or stream them. Or of course you can pay well over their goods' valuations. Poor internet and the wish to help the anime industry make torrenting unlikely, and poor internet makes streaming unlikely. Most anime are pretty cheap in comparison to Aniplex prices. |
Jun 1, 2013 7:56 PM
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Jun 1, 2013 8:05 PM
#136
Well, They should be making money if the company is still releasing/acquiring anime. As a more impulse buyer the price tags on aniplex products require me to save money which ends up being blown before I get even close to the amount LOL. Last series I wanted to get was Bakemonogatari(150) but ended up getting a ps vita for the same price.... Also good news funimation got SNK, That's one show I really want to see in blu-ray. |
Jun 1, 2013 8:09 PM
#137
Red_Keys said: Battlechili1 said: You know, you could just donate if "helping the industry" is really a huge concern of yours.Poor internet and the wish to help the anime industry make torrenting unlikely, and poor internet makes streaming unlikely. Most anime are pretty cheap in comparison to Aniplex prices. The thing with buying it is that it helps the companies understand what the people want. Donating doesnt really do that. |
Jun 1, 2013 8:10 PM
#138
Mazzmoney said: Send them an e-mail along with your donation.Red_Keys said: Battlechili1 said: You know, you could just donate if "helping the industry" is really a huge concern of yours.Poor internet and the wish to help the anime industry make torrenting unlikely, and poor internet makes streaming unlikely. Most anime are pretty cheap in comparison to Aniplex prices. The thing with buying it is that it helps the companies understand what the people want. Donating doesnt really do that. |
Jun 1, 2013 9:13 PM
#139
Battlechili1 said: spyrocoot said: Battlechili1 said: DeWinter said: Yey! More Aniplex Hate. Even I am a little tired of seeing people complain about their prices and I dislike the company myself. Don't like them? Don't buy from them. I never buy from them directly, I've made a point not to. Except that their existence keeps us from our favorite anime sometimes. No it doesn't, you can torrent or stream them. Or of course you can pay well over their goods' valuations. Poor internet and the wish to help the anime industry make torrenting unlikely, and poor internet makes streaming unlikely. Most anime are pretty cheap in comparison to Aniplex prices. If you're willing to spend $40-80 per series, you could easily add that to your internet plan... It'll help you with various things not just streaming/torrenting. If it's an effort to support the anime industry... As dateyutaka has said... Funimation nets llittle profit to the anime industry due to the fact that they sell the discs for cheap, while AniPlex actually nets a large profit that greatly supports the anime industry. If you're looking to get them cheap, you aren't really supporting them... You're supporting them in your head, but in reality you aren't supporting them at all. So now that we've got across the lack of your small contribution's support... instead of wasting your money on the dvds... just spend that money on a better internet service and torrent your shows. Besides, the reality is that the increase of people who would actually buy the discs because of a decrease in price is very little. You may add 10,000 new buyers, but you wouldn't be making as much profit as you would have without them. Anime is business, it's not a matter of people getting into it. It's a matter of making money out of the people who are already into it. I don't feel guilty at all not supporting the industry. With the exception of something I absolutely LOVE (what 5 series?), I'm not about to spend $700 nor $80 on entertainment that I'll watch once and never look at again. I'll leave that to the major otaku's that support the industry on my behalf. Proud Torrenter, Enslavement |
EnslavementJun 1, 2013 9:21 PM
Jun 2, 2013 6:55 AM
#140
Battlechili1 said: spyrocoot said: Battlechili1 said: DeWinter said: Yey! More Aniplex Hate. Even I am a little tired of seeing people complain about their prices and I dislike the company myself. Don't like them? Don't buy from them. I never buy from them directly, I've made a point not to. Except that their existence keeps us from our favorite anime sometimes. No it doesn't, you can torrent or stream them. Or of course you can pay well over their goods' valuations. Poor internet and the wish to help the anime industry make torrenting unlikely, and poor internet makes streaming unlikely. Most anime are pretty cheap in comparison to Aniplex prices. ![]() That's my internet connection, and I torrent all of my anime with little issues, so don't give me that crap. Invest more in a better internet if you must.l Btw Enslavenment, isn't the fact that you're watching their anime supporting the industry? You're essentially advertising anime. |
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Jun 2, 2013 7:20 AM
#141
Enslavement said: Well, anyone who thinks that buying American-licensed anime from companies like Funimation, Aniplex of America, etc. supports the Japanese industry in any significant way is wrong. I think that's easy to figure out. What they are supporting are the companies who are able to give them an affordable, domestic alternative (except, of course, Aniplex of America).If you're willing to spend $40-80 per series, you could easily add that to your internet plan... It'll help you with various things not just streaming/torrenting. If it's an effort to support the anime industry... As dateyutaka has said... Funimation nets llittle profit to the anime industry due to the fact that they sell the discs for cheap, while AniPlex actually nets a large profit that greatly supports the anime industry. If you're looking to get them cheap, you aren't really supporting them... You're supporting them in your head, but in reality you aren't supporting them at all. So now that we've got across the lack of your small contribution's support... instead of wasting your money on the dvds... just spend that money on a better internet service and torrent your shows. Besides, the reality is that the increase of people who would actually buy the discs because of a decrease in price is very little. You may add 10,000 new buyers, but you wouldn't be making as much profit as you would have without them. Anime is business, it's not a matter of people getting into it. It's a matter of making money out of the people who are already into it. I don't feel guilty at all not supporting the industry. With the exception of something I absolutely LOVE (what 5 series?), I'm not about to spend $700 nor $80 on entertainment that I'll watch once and never look at again. I'll leave that to the major otaku's that support the industry on my behalf. Proud Torrenter, Enslavement |
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Jun 2, 2013 7:31 AM
#142
gamer2710 said: Enslavement said: Well, anyone who thinks that buying American-licensed anime from companies like Funimation, Aniplex of America, etc. supports the Japanese industry in any significant way is wrong. I think that's easy to figure out. What they are supporting are the companies who are able to give them an affordable, domestic alternative (except, of course, Aniplex of America).If you're willing to spend $40-80 per series, you could easily add that to your internet plan... It'll help you with various things not just streaming/torrenting. If it's an effort to support the anime industry... As dateyutaka has said... Funimation nets llittle profit to the anime industry due to the fact that they sell the discs for cheap, while AniPlex actually nets a large profit that greatly supports the anime industry. If you're looking to get them cheap, you aren't really supporting them... You're supporting them in your head, but in reality you aren't supporting them at all. So now that we've got across the lack of your small contribution's support... instead of wasting your money on the dvds... just spend that money on a better internet service and torrent your shows. Besides, the reality is that the increase of people who would actually buy the discs because of a decrease in price is very little. You may add 10,000 new buyers, but you wouldn't be making as much profit as you would have without them. Anime is business, it's not a matter of people getting into it. It's a matter of making money out of the people who are already into it. I don't feel guilty at all not supporting the industry. With the exception of something I absolutely LOVE (what 5 series?), I'm not about to spend $700 nor $80 on entertainment that I'll watch once and never look at again. I'll leave that to the major otaku's that support the industry on my behalf. Proud Torrenter, Enslavement Unfortunately, I wholeheartedly believe that they think they're supporting the anime industry by purchasing these dvds. As for supporting companies who are able to give them an affordable, domestic alternative, why not just stick to buying from them? and any of your favorite shows that aniplex releases... you torrent? You can't complain about the way a company runs itself. It's a business and their aim isn't to attract new customers, it's to make as much profit as you can regardless of how many consumers you actually have. As long as they make more money selling to the few who would pay $600-700, they'll never drop their prices, and there is nothing you can possibly do about it. That's why this topic is stupid and unnecessary, and I see no reason as to why people take it upon themselves to bitch about something and to even go far enough to say it's "unfair" how a company runs itself. spyrocoot said: Battlechili1 said: spyrocoot said: Battlechili1 said: DeWinter said: Yey! More Aniplex Hate. Even I am a little tired of seeing people complain about their prices and I dislike the company myself. Don't like them? Don't buy from them. I never buy from them directly, I've made a point not to. Except that their existence keeps us from our favorite anime sometimes. No it doesn't, you can torrent or stream them. Or of course you can pay well over their goods' valuations. Poor internet and the wish to help the anime industry make torrenting unlikely, and poor internet makes streaming unlikely. Most anime are pretty cheap in comparison to Aniplex prices. ![]() That's my internet connection, and I torrent all of my anime with little issues, so don't give me that crap. Invest more in a better internet if you must.l Btw Enslavenment, isn't the fact that you're watching their anime supporting the industry? You're essentially advertising anime. I like the way you think. In fact, I take it upon myself to introduce people into anime through the distribution of links to a site that provides a stream of Boku no Pico. It always succeeds in attracting people to the world of anime, but the violent reactions... are probably my favorite part. |
EnslavementJun 2, 2013 7:36 AM
Jun 2, 2013 11:36 AM
#143
Enslavement said: gamer2710 said: Enslavement said: Well, anyone who thinks that buying American-licensed anime from companies like Funimation, Aniplex of America, etc. supports the Japanese industry in any significant way is wrong. I think that's easy to figure out. What they are supporting are the companies who are able to give them an affordable, domestic alternative (except, of course, Aniplex of America).If you're willing to spend $40-80 per series, you could easily add that to your internet plan... It'll help you with various things not just streaming/torrenting. If it's an effort to support the anime industry... As dateyutaka has said... Funimation nets llittle profit to the anime industry due to the fact that they sell the discs for cheap, while AniPlex actually nets a large profit that greatly supports the anime industry. If you're looking to get them cheap, you aren't really supporting them... You're supporting them in your head, but in reality you aren't supporting them at all. So now that we've got across the lack of your small contribution's support... instead of wasting your money on the dvds... just spend that money on a better internet service and torrent your shows. Besides, the reality is that the increase of people who would actually buy the discs because of a decrease in price is very little. You may add 10,000 new buyers, but you wouldn't be making as much profit as you would have without them. Anime is business, it's not a matter of people getting into it. It's a matter of making money out of the people who are already into it. I don't feel guilty at all not supporting the industry. With the exception of something I absolutely LOVE (what 5 series?), I'm not about to spend $700 nor $80 on entertainment that I'll watch once and never look at again. I'll leave that to the major otaku's that support the industry on my behalf. Proud Torrenter, Enslavement Unfortunately, I wholeheartedly believe that they think they're supporting the anime industry by purchasing these dvds. As for supporting companies who are able to give them an affordable, domestic alternative, why not just stick to buying from them? and any of your favorite shows that aniplex releases... you torrent? You can't complain about the way a company runs itself. It's a business and their aim isn't to attract new customers, it's to make as much profit as you can regardless of how many consumers you actually have. As long as they make more money selling to the few who would pay $600-700, they'll never drop their prices, and there is nothing you can possibly do about it. That's why this topic is stupid and unnecessary, and I see no reason as to why people take it upon themselves to bitch about something and to even go far enough to say it's "unfair" how a company runs itself. spyrocoot said: Battlechili1 said: spyrocoot said: Battlechili1 said: DeWinter said: Yey! More Aniplex Hate. Even I am a little tired of seeing people complain about their prices and I dislike the company myself. Don't like them? Don't buy from them. I never buy from them directly, I've made a point not to. Except that their existence keeps us from our favorite anime sometimes. No it doesn't, you can torrent or stream them. Or of course you can pay well over their goods' valuations. Poor internet and the wish to help the anime industry make torrenting unlikely, and poor internet makes streaming unlikely. Most anime are pretty cheap in comparison to Aniplex prices. ![]() That's my internet connection, and I torrent all of my anime with little issues, so don't give me that crap. Invest more in a better internet if you must.l Btw Enslavenment, isn't the fact that you're watching their anime supporting the industry? You're essentially advertising anime. I like the way you think. In fact, I take it upon myself to introduce people into anime through the distribution of links to a site that provides a stream of Boku no Pico. It always succeeds in attracting people to the world of anime, but the violent reactions... are probably my favorite part. Considering that Aniplex of America is part of Aniplex, I'd say those that buy from AoA are helping. Sure not as much as those in Japan. but it is certainly more than those buying Funi and Sentai DVD's. |
Jun 2, 2013 11:47 AM
#144
Enslavement said: I like the way you think. In fact, I take it upon myself to introduce people into anime through the distribution of links to a site that provides a stream of Boku no Pico. It always succeeds in attracting people to the world of anime, but the violent reactions... are probably my favorite part. You are an evil man. You remind me of my juvenile self where I'd recommend newcomers to watch classics such as Mars of Destruction, Apocalypse Zero, M.D. Geist, Violence Jack and Eiken. Ahh, those reactions would always make my day. |
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