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Jun 8, 2012 3:06 PM

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Saying you don't like American animation because you're not a kid anymore then freely admitting you like "kid's shows" like Beyblade and Digimon is a serious double standard, whether you consider them to be more mature than American cartoons or not.


Sorry, but I disagree.

I've yet to see a Western kids show anywhere near as interesting as Fullmetal Alchemist, Naruto, Digimon Adventure, Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters, or any show like that.

I remember in Digimon Adventure 02 one of the big points was whether it was right or wrong to take another person's life. Unlike the kids in the first series, the second kids never had to make hard choices. They were never stranded on an island and forced to adapt to the kill-or-be-killed attitude of life. So when it came to them being faced with killing people, they hesitated, while the first series kids have no qualms doing it. Eventually they realized they were looking at the world though the eyes of a comforted child, and realized they had to kill in order to protect people, and broke down crying afterwards, but still felt relieved because they knew it was the right thing to do. It was especially hard for Iori, who's father was a police officer killed in the line of duty, and he wondered if his father ever had to kill anyone to protect people, and he knew that he felt terrible when his own father was killed, and that everyone out there is a relative of someone. The best part of 02 was watching these sheltered kids grow out of their shells and become mature over the show.

Or in one episode of Detective Conan where a woman stabs her boyfriend to death and covers it up by making it look like her boyfriend was trying to burglarize her home. After Conan exposes her trick, she explains why she did it. She and her boyfriend were famous stand-up comedians, but she recently started having health problems, which started affecting their work and caused her to forget her lines and screw up their routine, which started putting stress on their relationship. Then one day at work she confidently overhears her boyfriend talking with her manager about how he wants their manager to get his girlfriend to quit because she's screwing everything up. Then he makes a casual joke about how he's also going to not be her boyfriend anymore as well. So she murdered him over him trying to ruin her career as well as just using her to get famous. Just as they take her to the police station, a delivery boy arrives and says he has a delivery for her from the now-dead boyfriend. Inside the package is a card with a wedding ring and a note that says the boyfriend was concerned about her health and how he's worried if she keeps pushing herself, she could end up in the hospital or even die, so he would like her to quit and let the boyfriend be a solo act, and he can support her not as her boyfriend anymore, but as her husband. She then realizing she murdered him over a misunderstanding, and she falls to her knees and breaks down crying over what a terrible mistake she made. Conan remarks that emotions are both a blessing and a curse, and one misstep can lead to irreversible actions which can ruin lives.

To even imply the stuff on Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon comes close to what you find in children's anime is absurd. It's as different as night and day.
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The reason why american cartoons don't aim towards the older demographic (other then comedy cartoons) is because america cares more about using interactive entertainment to please the older demographic (video games).

American cartoons have generally always been aim towards children to teens. 10 years ago, if you said you liked anime, you were viewed as being childish because americans only knew that any form of cartoon could only be aimed at children. In America the majority of cartoon shows are aimed towards kids, even now, due to america's close-minded culture, any cartoon that even hints some kind of adult content, is hated and criticized (unless the adult content is emphasized in a crude, but humorous manner ironically).


Jun 8, 2012 4:51 PM
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Japan likely doesn't really care and simply dubs and airs them, like they've always done.

I seriously can't believe you folk are arguing about the maturity of anime-style cartoons.

Titan XL said:
Sorry, but I disagree.

I've yet to see a Western kids show anywhere near as interesting as Fullmetal Alchemist, Naruto, Digimon Adventure, Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters, or any show like that.


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Onibokusu said:


I seriously can't believe you folk are arguing about the maturity of anime-style cartoons.



I seriously can't believe how you can post over 2000 times on this website, but i accept it nonethless. You should do that same. At the very least this is more interesting then "Name your favorite anime that made you cry".


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Synrite said:

I seriously can't believe how you can post over 2000 times on this website, but i accept it nonethless. You should do that same. At the very least this is more interesting then "Name your favorite anime that made you cry".


No, it's about as interesting as pre-cracked pepper and on the same level as discussing anime that make you cry.
Jun 8, 2012 5:29 PM

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Onibokusu said:
Synrite said:

I seriously can't believe how you can post over 2000 times on this website, but i accept it nonethless. You should do that same. At the very least this is more interesting then "Name your favorite anime that made you cry".


No, it's about as interesting as pre-cracked pepper and on the same level as discussing anime that make you cry.


Yet, you took the time to post, and find and link a youtube vid here......there are several excuses you can come up with for this, but pretty much all of them will make you look pitiful nonetheless.


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Synrite said:
Onibokusu said:
Synrite said:

I seriously can't believe how you can post over 2000 times on this website, but i accept it nonethless. You should do that same. At the very least this is more interesting then "Name your favorite anime that made you cry".


No, it's about as interesting as pre-cracked pepper and on the same level as discussing anime that make you cry.


Yet, you took the time to post, and find and link a youtube vid here......there are several excuses you can come up with for this, but pretty much all of them will make you look pitiful nonetheless.


Sorry, did I offend you in some way? Because I can't see how stating that I was making a throw away post in a shit thread like this is 'pitiful'. Defending this thread simply because you invested time in it is quite humorous.
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Onibokusu said:
Synrite said:
Onibokusu said:
Synrite said:

I seriously can't believe how you can post over 2000 times on this website, but i accept it nonethless. You should do that same. At the very least this is more interesting then "Name your favorite anime that made you cry".


No, it's about as interesting as pre-cracked pepper and on the same level as discussing anime that make you cry.


Yet, you took the time to post, and find and link a youtube vid here......there are several excuses you can come up with for this, but pretty much all of them will make you look pitiful nonetheless.


Sorry, did I offend you in some way? Because I can't see how stating that I was making a throw away post in a shit thread like this is 'pitiful'. Defending this thread simply because you invested time in it is quite humorous.


I can't be offended by randoms online, only disappointed.

As i just said, pitiful.


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The cartoon anime fights are like a go match - infinite variations on the same simple theme.
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Synrite said:
Onibokusu said:
Synrite said:
Onibokusu said:
Synrite said:

I seriously can't believe how you can post over 2000 times on this website, but i accept it nonethless. You should do that same. At the very least this is more interesting then "Name your favorite anime that made you cry".


No, it's about as interesting as pre-cracked pepper and on the same level as discussing anime that make you cry.


Yet, you took the time to post, and find and link a youtube vid here......there are several excuses you can come up with for this, but pretty much all of them will make you look pitiful nonetheless.


Sorry, did I offend you in some way? Because I can't see how stating that I was making a throw away post in a shit thread like this is 'pitiful'. Defending this thread simply because you invested time in it is quite humorous.


I can't be offended by randoms online, only disappointed.

As i just said, pitiful.


The tone of your posts reflects quite the contrary.
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Onibokusu said:


The tone of your posts reflects quite the contrary.


speaking of reflect....


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Synrite said:
Onibokusu said:


The tone of your posts reflects quite the contrary.


speaking of reflect....


You highlighted 'tone'.
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Onibokusu said:
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Please tell me that was some student project, because the idea of modern cartoon creators following the guide of Tim Buckley's House of Art of grabbing random real-life pictures off Google image search to use as background and just copy/pasting ugly Flash characters over it means it's worse than I thought.
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TitanXL said:
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Please tell me that was some student project, because the idea of modern cartoon creators following the guide of Tim Buckley's House of Art of grabbing random real-life pictures off Google image search to use as background and just copy/pasting ugly Flash characters over it means it's worse than I thought.


If you're seriously not familiar with an award winning cartoon, I hope you're a sheltered individual.
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If by sheltered you mean I don't watch a children's channel and keep up with preschooler's programming, then I suppose so.

Though I think it's further proof 'awards' are meaningless in America.
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TitanXL said:
Though I think it's further proof 'awards' are meaningless in America.

Agreed. When Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize only a few weeks after becoming president, this was pretty much confirmed.

Jun 8, 2012 8:00 PM
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The question still stands.


Maturity would be having consequences for actions, for one thing. Often times this does involve content level, or mature themes. Like TitanXL mentions, Digimon deals with killing in a mature manner; there's consequences for actions there.

One huge flaw with Avatar, for example, was it was about war but shied away from stuff you'd actually see in war. Soldiers dying, war crimes, all that stuff. And don't feed me the 'they imprisoned people'. American shows always arrest/imprison people because that's all they can do. The one person who did apparently die in Avatar was never confirmed to be dead until years later at a convention because they can't actually say 'Ow, I'm dead' and show his last moments. No funeral or breakdown like with certain characters in Fullmetal Alchemist. It's just quickly swept aside and they move on.

America kid's shows in general never really do the things kid shows do. In action shows characters rarely get hurt. Fire doesn't burn people to cinders, they can rush into battle without worrying of dying because it's a kids show so obviously nothing. Swords can never be used to cut or stab anyone, so having swords or knives in your show is pointless. Most of the time guns have to be laser blasters, which is laughable and breaks immersion unless it's Star Wars or something.

America is just not prepared to animate mature stories as long as it's viewed as only for kids, and there's such a huge censorship problem on what is appropriate kids show material. Dealing with mature topics as well, like divorce or survivor guilt or similar backstories you find in Digimon. Up was mentioned.. remember how they never explained what happened between the kids parents? They just tip toe around the issue and say 'Oh, my dad's not here.. he's never here'. And that's that. Saying anything direct like 'he left us' or 'he's cheating on my mom' or whatever he was actually doing is way too much for them to even say in a 'kids film'. Or maybe whatever happened to Ellie and her baby would be a better example

I read an interview one time about a famous Japanese director who points out the problem with sheltering kids.

Q: Were your first drawings as a child influenced by the aftermath of Hiroshima? We remember that one of Dr. Hell’s officers (Mazinger’s nemesis) was an ex-Nazi.

A: I have been asked the same question about Dr. Hell several times here in the Middle East, but I’d like to point out that Dr. Hell is not supposed to be German. I would never associate the “bad guy” with a particular nation, because it would be unfair to the people of that country. We have already seen many Hollywood movies where the bad guys were sometimes Russians, sometimes Arabs, and I don’t really think this has helped in spreading understanding between cultures.

Having said this, the war experience surely affected my whole childhood and the formation of my personality. Even if I have not experienced any bombing or fighting, all the adults around me kept telling me horrible stories about the war, so I grew up with [the awareness] that my works should deliver a message of peace.

I was particularly saddened when I found out that in many countries I was considered to be an author who loves to depict battles and destruction just for the fun of it. The reason why I depict the effects of war in my manga is because I strongly believe that a person should learn from childhood how war can be destructive and how much people and societies may suffer from it, just the same way I learned it from the stories of adults around me when I was a little child. If we raise a child telling him only the nice and happy things of life, he will be unable to cope with all the hardships he will inevitably meet in his adulthood; if he doesn’t know the devastating effects of violence and repression, he could cause incredible damage and suffering to the people around him.

I guess this is one of the reasons why Japanese people, who have been raised for the last 60 years reading manga that some people abroad have labeled as hyper-violent, chose not to be involved in war after 1945 and have stated in their very constitution that they renounce war, as opposed to a country like the US, which has strong censorship against violence in animation and programs for children, but has been at war for most of its recent history.
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TitanXL said:
If by sheltered you mean I don't watch a children's channel and keep up with preschooler's programming, then I suppose so.


Then you don't watch anime?

Though I think it's further proof 'awards' are meaningless in America.


It's actually a French award - the only animation awards that matter.
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Kirikizan said:
>Does America have a parallel to one piece? How about The Simpsons.

Stupid, or trolling. Either way, get a load of this baka right here.

Also cool list. How many hours scouring wikipedia did it take you to find those obscure foriegn cartoon movies?

Don't get pissed because no one likes your kiddy cartoons.

About 10 minutes, I actually have watched quite a number of these shows. And the Simpson is a parallel to One Piece. We're not talking about quality here but comparing impact and popularity. One Piece is the biggest TV animation in Japan and Simpsons in the US(at least I believe). The Simpsons is actually a multi billion dollar franchise. And finally, using Japanese words in English conversation, ISHYGDDT.
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About 10 minutes, I actually have watched quite a number of these shows. And the Simpson is a parallel to One Piece. We're not talking about quality here but comparing impact and popularity. One Piece is the biggest TV animation in Japan and Simpsons in the US(at least I believe). The Simpsons is actually a multi billion dollar franchise.


One Piece isn't the biggest anime in Japan. That honor belongs to shows like Sazae-san, Doraemon, Crayon Shin-chan, Detective Conan, Chibi Maruko-chan, and others.

One Piece is stilll up there, though. For the record though, One Piece gets bigger ratings than the Simpsons does. Which is pretty impressive for a Sunday morning cartoon for children. Especially a long running serial action show.
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i know that spongebob is a huge hit in japan and the japanese call it anime. im sure avatar has a few fans over there as well. but a western animation making it big in japan is like a japanese film making it big in hollywood. there just isnt anymore room for outsiders, especially since we are both good at our respective forms of entertainment. how many japanese movies have you seen? probably less than ten, so out of the small group of japanese fans for our western animation you are asking them how they responded to the anime influenced western animtations, thats even less people. the answer is not enough people have seen them to have an honest answer. the two or three japanese people who responded to this post do not represent an entire nation of people and are completely biased. if i used my imagination i would guess that they would think that the animation looks wierd and they wouldnt like it because its not what they are use to in anime. so just be happy you are a westerner and get to enjoy avatar and teen titans as well as all the anime out there.
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i know that spongebob is a huge hit in japan and the japanese call it anime. im sure avatar has a few fans over there as well. but a western animation making it big in japan is like a japanese film making it big in hollywood. there just isnt anymore room for outsiders, especially since we are both good at our respective forms of entertainment. how many japanese movies have you seen? probably less than ten, so out of the small group of japanese fans for our western animation you are asking them how they responded to the anime influenced western animtations, thats even less people. the answer is not enough people have seen them to have an honest answer. the two or three japanese people who responded to this post do not represent an entire nation of people and are completely biased. if i used my imagination i would guess that they would think that the animation looks wierd and they wouldnt like it because its not what they are use to in anime. so just be happy you are a westerner and get to enjoy avatar and teen titans as well as all the anime out there.
Well it matters how you define big but Curious George is always in the top like 5 spots of the tv ratings for animation beating out tons of other anime. Kids must really like it.
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I still think that Avatar: The Last Airbender > all of anime, so Japan can go suck *******.
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