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| I hope y'all enjoyed the trip so far, this next season is when the show will start to go downhill. |
Thehaterofmal said: The objective of the story was having the other confess first, right? They are dating now, hence they already fulfilled the main objective of the story. So it stops being about a battle of wits, and turns in to another generic rom-com.curvedtree said: I hope y'all enjoyed the trip so far, this next season is when the show will start to go downhill. Without any spoiler why it will go downhill? I'm curious to know Particularly I have two things worth saying, Hayasaka gets a good arc, however Fujiwara's character is crushed. I was a huge Fujiwara fan, I was so hyped for the development she would get, it annoyed me what Akasaka did to Chika. |
| I understand that most of the humor came from Kaguya and Miyuki's sheer inexperience, but some scenes already frankly border on autistic ignorance about social relations. Kaguya not realizing that a French kiss is too intimate or Miyuki thinking that a French kiss can be random and mean nothing? |
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curvedtree said: I do not quite agree about generic rom-com, as it has become more like a "secret relationship". But I agree that Aka had disappointingly few ideas for a plot outside of a battle of wits. The objective of the story was having the other confess first, right? They are dating now, hence they already fulfilled the main objective of the story. So it stops being about a battle of wits, and turns in to another generic rom-com. Particularly I have two things worth saying, Hayasaka gets a good arc, however Fujiwara's character is crushed. I was a huge Fujiwara fan, I was so hyped for the development she would get, it annoyed me what Akasaka did to Chika. |
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| How does this show keep delivering like this? I thought last season was peak, but now I may need to reconsider. It's honestly crazy how this show manages to be both the best romance and the best comedy at the same time, and have so many great characters as well. I've heard people say that the series has peaked at this point (and I see some comments about it above), but I'm honestly just happy we get more to watch in the future! ♥ |
| This was terrible. I wish they had ended it at Ultra Romantic. Hopefully they won't try to continue the story even further, what with the manga getting worse and worse as it progresses. |
| That is absolute peak. I did not expect to like it that much but episodes 3 and 4 are the best development in romance anime I've seen. |
RobertBobert said: curvedtree said: I do not quite agree about generic rom-com, as it has become more like a "secret relationship". But I agree that Aka had disappointingly few ideas for a plot outside of a battle of wits. The objective of the story was having the other confess first, right? They are dating now, hence they already fulfilled the main objective of the story. So it stops being about a battle of wits, and turns in to another generic rom-com. Particularly I have two things worth saying, Hayasaka gets a good arc, however Fujiwara's character is crushed. I was a huge Fujiwara fan, I was so hyped for the development she would get, it annoyed me what Akasaka did to Chika. It's more he just gave up writing in general after awhile. Uninspired subplots, pointless additional characters, inconclusive endings, canned plots entirely (heck in regards to this movie there's never an our persona's part 2), terrible finale. The works. The 2nd half is just plain bad and it doesn't have anything to do with genre being a rom-com or what not. It's literally only junk food for people who like the characters enough to see them get into whatever. I'm sure you've heard me complain enough about it though, but it still bugs me how much this series wasted it's own potential despite a strong start. BTW does this movie still have Kaguya just randomly have an epiphany out of nowhere where she's somehow realized that she figured out after the cultural festival that she realized she somehow had a big problem with Miyuki not showing her everything. Because that part in the manga basically ruined the entire arc for me. |
hyperknees91 said: I liked the movie, but my main complaint is that at some point the characters' quirks got a little too forced. Ai was originally a straight man who suffered because of Kaguya's stupidity, but she eventually turned into a weirdoo. Miyuki has degraded from just an inexperienced person to an autistic person who makes drama out of a fairly simple situation. Kaguya realizes that Miyuki loves her but gets drama for the sake of drama. It still works like a great romantic comedy for me, but at this level I already feel like the plot is starting to fizzle out.RobertBobert said: I do not quite agree about generic rom-com, as it has become more like a "secret relationship". But I agree that Aka had disappointingly few ideas for a plot outside of a battle of wits. It's more he just gave up writing in general after awhile. Uninspired subplots, pointless additional characters, inconclusive endings, canned plots entirely (heck in regards to this movie there's never an our persona's part 2), terrible finale. The works. The 2nd half is just plain bad and it doesn't have anything to do with genre being a rom-com or what not. It's literally only junk food for people who like the characters enough to see them get into whatever. I'm sure you've heard me complain enough about it though, but it still bugs me how much this series wasted it's own potential despite a strong start. BTW does this movie still have Kaguya just randomly have an epiphany out of nowhere where she's somehow realized that she figured out after the cultural festival that she realized she somehow had a big problem with Miyuki not showing her everything. Because that part in the manga basically ruined the entire arc for me. |
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RobertBobert said: hyperknees91 said: I liked the movie, but my main complaint is that at some point the characters' quirks got a little too forced. Ai was originally a straight man who suffered because of Kaguya's stupidity, but she eventually turned into a weirdoo. Miyuki has degraded from just an inexperienced person to an autistic person who makes drama out of a fairly simple situation. Kaguya realizes that Miyuki loves her but gets drama for the sake of drama. It still works like a great romantic comedy for me, but at this level I already feel like the plot is starting to fizzle out.It's more he just gave up writing in general after awhile. Uninspired subplots, pointless additional characters, inconclusive endings, canned plots entirely (heck in regards to this movie there's never an our persona's part 2), terrible finale. The works. The 2nd half is just plain bad and it doesn't have anything to do with genre being a rom-com or what not. It's literally only junk food for people who like the characters enough to see them get into whatever. I'm sure you've heard me complain enough about it though, but it still bugs me how much this series wasted it's own potential despite a strong start. BTW does this movie still have Kaguya just randomly have an epiphany out of nowhere where she's somehow realized that she figured out after the cultural festival that she realized she somehow had a big problem with Miyuki not showing her everything. Because that part in the manga basically ruined the entire arc for me. Agreed. I've never resonated with the people who somehow saw this was even close to the peak of the series and in general, yes it was the beginning of its downward spiral. Funny enough prior on MAL Kaguya manga had something like a 9.0+ rating after the cultural festival, but as soon as the ice arc hit, the score plummeted to where it is right now (granted its still very high and of course a score is just a score no reason to make a big deal out of it). I do remember its where many a fan clocked out of the series however. I had some faith the author would deliver again, but that moment never really came unfortunately. |
hyperknees91 said: That is why many romantic works end at the "they became a couple" stage. Because if your goal is not to fluff about a cute romantic life like in some SoL or a work about an unusual pairing, then it just drastically reduces the intrigue and forces you to artificially develop the story.RobertBobert said: I liked the movie, but my main complaint is that at some point the characters' quirks got a little too forced. Ai was originally a straight man who suffered because of Kaguya's stupidity, but she eventually turned into a weirdoo. Miyuki has degraded from just an inexperienced person to an autistic person who makes drama out of a fairly simple situation. Kaguya realizes that Miyuki loves her but gets drama for the sake of drama. It still works like a great romantic comedy for me, but at this level I already feel like the plot is starting to fizzle out. Agreed. I've never resonated with the people who somehow saw this was even close to the peak of the series and in general, yes it was the beginning of its downward spiral. Funny enough prior on MAL Kaguya manga had something like a 9.0+ rating after the cultural festival, but as soon as the ice arc hit, the score plummeted to where it is right now (granted its still very high and of course a score is just a score no reason to make a big deal out of it). I do remember its where many a fan clocked out of the series however. I had some faith the author would deliver again, but that moment never really came unfortunately. |
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RobertBobert said: hyperknees91 said: That is why many romantic works end at the "they became a couple" stage. Because if your goal is not to fluff about a cute romantic life like in some SoL or a work about an unusual pairing, then it just drastically reduces the intrigue and forces you to artificially develop the story.Agreed. I've never resonated with the people who somehow saw this was even close to the peak of the series and in general, yes it was the beginning of its downward spiral. Funny enough prior on MAL Kaguya manga had something like a 9.0+ rating after the cultural festival, but as soon as the ice arc hit, the score plummeted to where it is right now (granted its still very high and of course a score is just a score no reason to make a big deal out of it). I do remember its where many a fan clocked out of the series however. I had some faith the author would deliver again, but that moment never really came unfortunately. Funny enough that's verbatim exactly what the author said (I can link you to the interview but it wasn't ever translated)...making it clear he was just going to end it here but just dragged it out due to it being popular. Oh wells. |
hyperknees91 said: Are you talking about that interview where he joked that the continuation of the manga after the "objective ending" is a parody of the infinity of rom-coms?RobertBobert said: That is why many romantic works end at the "they became a couple" stage. Because if your goal is not to fluff about a cute romantic life like in some SoL or a work about an unusual pairing, then it just drastically reduces the intrigue and forces you to artificially develop the story. Funny enough that's verbatim exactly what the author said (I can link you to the interview but it wasn't ever translated)...making it clear he was just going to end it here but just dragged it out due to it being popular. Oh wells. |
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RobertBobert said: Are you talking about that interview where he joked that the continuation of the manga after the "objective ending" is a parody of the infinity of rom-coms? Nah it's the interview where someone asked him when he was planning to end the series and his comment on it shocked the guy (as it was supposed to be much earlier). The guy wanted him to continue the series as long as possible and Aka told him the reason was because of what we already discussed. |
hyperknees91 said: And do you think that many good manga start to sag after the intended ending, because the authors are forced to continue the story because of the hype and sales?RobertBobert said: Are you talking about that interview where he joked that the continuation of the manga after the "objective ending" is a parody of the infinity of rom-coms? Nah it's the interview where someone asked him when he was planning to end the series and his comment on it shocked the guy (as it was supposed to be much earlier). The guy wanted him to continue the series as long as possible and Aka told him the reason was because of what we already discussed. |
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And said: RobertBobert I think that entirely depends if the author "at the very least" gets a break to plan out the story for a bit rather than just being suddenly sprung with the idea they have to continue. There's a reason we make rough drafts in the first place. Also completely depends on how inspired the author is (In Aka's case, he couldn't have been more uninspired if he tried with the second half, literally it's as derivative as it gets). But otherwise for the most part, I would say from a narrative quality standpoint, it's pretty much always going to go down in quality. But like said, it's junkfood and people don't care. Hence why they kept making Simpsons/Dragonball blah blah. |
| Will admit that as much as I liked the movie didn't enjoy as much as the previous season, after all it felt like a backslide after the emotional finale that was S3. Comedy felt subdued as well so just wasn't as powerful. Will still get a 8/10 from me, good but not great. Especially as I wanted some Ishigami love but I guess that will be in S4. |
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| Nice way to wrap things for Kaguya and Shirogane, the conclusion is not my favorite part since it obviously only focus on the romantic side with a little comedy left but mainly was needed to finish the 1st couple route, and it made it worth it for all of what we could see regarding their battle of wits moments and how they slowly fell in love together, I'll always remember S1 and S3 for that (S2 was different I would say but it doesn't matter) |
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Summary of the movie: |
| Shirgoanes Father is always 10/10 |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| Wow! Fantastic, glorious, heartwarming. No words can truly describe how I feel after having finished the movie right now. I couldn't believe that this movie could hold up with season 3 that already is an amazing masterpiece. Hands down to the creator of Kaguya-sama. This is easily one of the most beatiful pieces of art in the anime and manga world. |
| Didn't llike much the concept of them hiding their "true self", but other than that it was great soft, funny and heartwarming |
| Nice film, although to me was most shocking the ended of the last season!!! The personalities changes of Kaguya were the most interesting, although the point was when both loses masks!!! Good present to close, a kiss for the eternity!!! kekeke 7/10 |
| Spanish Ok...Este arco es de hecho el arco que más odié mientras leía el manga de kaguya-sama sin embargo eso no quiere decir que la película sea mala, todo lo contrario, la adaptación a anime ma parese imprecionantemente buena. Aunque no le tenga mucho aprecio a este arco, sigue siendo el fin de una era para la historia de Kaguya-sama ya que de ahora en adelante, los protagonistas no estaran en una guerra sin fin para ver quien se confieza primero, sino que disfrutarán de su vida amorosa. Muy buena adaptacion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ English Translation Ok... This arc is actually the arc that I hated the most while reading the kaguya-sama manga, however, that doesn't mean that the movie is bad, quite the opposite, the anime adaptation seems impressively good. Although I don't have much appreciation for this arc, it is still the end of an era for Kaguya-sama's story since from now on, the protagonists will no longer be in an endless war to see who confesses first, but will enjoy of their love life. Very good adaptation. (Sorry for my bad english. I'm using google translate since ''All posts in the main forum must be in English.'') |
| All very sweet and funny but what the hell happened for Ishigami to end up in Tsubame's room?! I need answers now. Also Kashiwagi is 100% gonna get pregnant before turning 18. "How to ruin your young life" speedrun, let's goooo Overall, it was a pretty nice movie and a very interesting arc as well. Really enjoyed the characterization for both Kaguya and Miyuki and the comedy did a very solid job at making some of the most dramatic moments more... digestible. Because God knows it was a pain to see Kaguya getting mad at Miyuki for not getting her mixed signals. Poor fella trying to decipher female thinking for one hour and a half. 8,5/10 -> 9/10 |
| Kaguya sama is at its best when comedy and mind games are the focus of the story. The movie was good except for the romance aspect of it. I dislike the whole idea of multiple persona taking control over Kaguya. I find it difficult to suspend my disbelief over the fact that Ice Kaguya and Bakaguya are the same person. I also greatly dislike the inner monologue when ice kaguya was with shirogane at the hospital(?). Far too explicit "development" for me. Show don't tell. Same with Shirogane's part. S3 was perfect for the romance but Hayasaka had to ruin it, filling kaguya's mind about kisses and stuff instead of just being happy for her. I found the subsequent transition into bakaguya and then to ice kaguya pretty unconvincing as well. At least they had a normal date I guess, but that should've been the logical next step post S3 instead of all this ice kaguya drama. Take a page from Kashiwagi, she and her partner are winning without this drama bs. The comedy moments were great as always, just wished there was more of that and less of the melodramatic and convoluted romance. |
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| Hyasaka is being such a jealous jackass when she finds out Kaguya kissed him so intimately, it's hilarious watching her in a tailspin because she can't believe Kaguya is being so bold with Shrogane. |
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| That was a very good adapation of the "Ice Kguya" arc. My only complaint would be that they skipped Shirogane mentioning how his mom only took Kei and not him when she left. Would've made the scene feel a little more emotional but I can digest it lol. Visuals for the OP were insane as per usual and I loved all the references that were in it. Now we just have to wait for the next season to see how Ishigami and Miko's christmas party went; whenever that may be |
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