Tomodachi Game Episode 6 Discussion

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TaTuy said:

pasanoid said:

are you implying it is 'not so bad'? did we even watch the same show?

for a last few episodes Tenji guy is established as an amogus and what's more we get to hear his lengthy inner rambling -- he goes on and on about taking Sawaragi girl for himself and not much more. suddenly -- when it was revealed to the entire gang that he is in fact the amogus -- he declares himself gay, makes out with the mc and they both jump off the bridge. a meaningful start of a redemption arc? the story lays out some premises and then -- fuck you I lied -- goes in completely opposite direction. this is not an earned plot twist, this is a puddle of piss

the mc being a 'tondemonai bakemono' sigma male maniac is also cringe. why they always have to be like that? its super overuesd. and the two wemen watching over the farce in the lots-of-screens-room constantly reinforcing the notion with comments -- "oh my goddo, masaka, omae wa nanimono da?" -- who the fuck needed this.

the 3 amazing tricks the mc used to weed out the amogus weren't as grand either. they only worked because the mc had to win somehow. or rather demonstrate his sigma male pepega infinite iq powers. is this shit made to impress little kids? the game has no stakes because it's already in the bag -- it is established that the mc is going to pull bullshit move out of his ass with a psycho smear and be like: precisely as planned muahahahahah! every time

from your comment it made me know You are the one who judges other things by your own eyes and prejudice. not use your brain No matter how bad this anime is But what I get from your message is bias.

please google bias and prejudice. it seems you are using the words you know not the meaning of

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May 11, 2022 12:38 AM

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It was a very interesting episode lol I didn't expect Tenji to kiss Yuichi ahah BTW, Yuichi's friends are so mean, why do they leave him?

May 11, 2022 12:41 AM

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Tenji loving Yuichi really caught me by surprise, and I thought from the next episode this show was going to be two lovers defeating the game together until I saw the ending scene.

May 11, 2022 2:36 AM

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lmfao that bl kiss

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May 11, 2022 3:01 AM

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Great episode, almost excellent if the art and animation was a bit better.
However, I find it pretty weird seeing ppl trying so hard to complicate already solved or simple matters.

May 11, 2022 3:10 AM

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This anime needs way more attention than it has. The manga is fantastic.

May 11, 2022 3:33 AM

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ROMARIOkkkk said:
I really wanna know where did you get the info that they are not going to verify every card there. Firstly, voting takes place only after all cards are read. It's not like the gods choose "ok we are going to vote only for these four cards, there's no need in reading the others". They read ALL cards and then the voting begins.

The rule says that you move in front of a leader if your lie gets exposed. How do you expect them to move participants around for 12 lies? It's logical that they'll adjust that only for the top voted results. Also I've edited my previous comments and you quoted the outdated one.
As I've already said game admins have sponsors for that game and they need them to be entertained instead of wasting time on verifying every single thing if there are so many discrepancies.

Are you saying it's impossible to make them move with 12 lies? How is it impossible? In that case everyone will keep moving ahead of the person in first place. There's nothing that forbid them to make this moves, you are simply assuming this out of nowhere. If your concern is about the person in front be the one who the lie was read first, all this person is going to do is move one place ahead, after all they'll be basically moving one place ahead of the leader (themselves).
And once again, why the hell would they have a rule saying you can write as many cards as you want if you are not going to verify all of them (as you are saying). Oh, they have to completely break their own rules so the game keeps interesting for the observers/sponsors? Is that what you are saying? What is more important, keep them entertained by rigging the game or follow the rules to make it fair? like you said, they have sponsors, it's like a contract, if those sponsors agreed to be there they should be aware of how the game rules work too.
Everything you're saying is just assumptions, things that weren't even discussed but you took it as the truth.

May 11, 2022 3:45 AM

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hidden gem this season

May 11, 2022 4:05 AM

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half beginning of the ep the animation kinda lack something, but the rest it's ok..

May 11, 2022 4:29 AM

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ROMARIOkkkk said:
Everything you're saying is just assumptions, things that weren't even discussed but you took it as the truth.

Same for you. I was basing it on what they've shown for the second game. They have never shown what happened to those 10 cards sent by Tenji but they could change the game considerably if every single out of those was counted.

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May 11, 2022 4:33 AM

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Chipp12 said:

ROMARIOkkkk said:
Everything you're saying is just assumptions, things that weren't even discussed but you took it as the truth.

Same for your assumptions.

See? You don't even try to argue or refute what I said. Just take a bunch of rules out of your ass and take it for granted. Kinda pathetic

May 11, 2022 4:47 AM

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LMFAOOOOOO?$+$+$+ i dont even care if thats a lie. i still dont like tenji but erm congrats on coming out?🎉

May 11, 2022 4:50 AM

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pasanoid said:

Galaxy_N1ck said:

I really want to know what you find so bad about this anime

for a last few episodes Tenji guy is established as an amogus and what's more we get to hear his lengthy inner rambling -- he goes on and on about taking Sawaragi girl for himself and not much more. suddenly -- when it was revealed to the entire gang that he is in fact the amogus -- he declares himself gay, makes out with the mc and they both jump off the bridge. a meaningful start of a redemption arc? the story lays out some premises and then -- fuck you I lied -- goes in completely opposite direction. this is not an earned plot twist, this is a puddle of piss

Once again, wasn't it obvious that he just kissed Yuuichi so he could go on to the next game? Even when I was reading the manga was pretty obvious, not just that but this adaptation made it pretty clear that "Tenji has its own motives". It's not like he loves Yuuichi tho...

May 11, 2022 5:12 AM

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Anime-only watcher speculation: he attempted tomodachi game in his previous school and lost something precious back there. He couldn't attend to that school anymore (most likely his friends didn't trust him anymore), so he moved to a new school, made new friends there and then used those friends to enter tomodachi game for the second time.

I still found that lie pretty stupid and it could've been done better. The whole kiss scene left me with a feeling of disgust.

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May 11, 2022 5:21 AM

#115

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I'm speechless after watching this episode 6

May 11, 2022 5:26 AM

#116

samubee

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the levels of plot twist in this one episode, it was almost too ridiculous but I wonder what Tenji lost because he was daaaang was he desperate LMAO

May 11, 2022 5:30 AM

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ROMARIOkkkk said:
First, it's implied that Yuuichi did the way he did because he was trying to "help" the traitor. Let me explain, the reason why Yuuichi in first place accepted to play the Tomodachi Game was because he wanted to help his friend in debt. Therefore until the first "strategy" (the one that failed) he (and everyone else) thought that the traitor's goal was to get rid of their debt. Remember what Yuuichi did? He gave them a full layout of how the second game works saying that the "second part" of the game would have more spaces that reduce their debt, and then he said that he'd want to end that game with everyone together, with no more fight. He basically gave a chance to the traitor reduce their debt IF their problem was money, he gave this chance because he truly considered everyone there his friend, even the traitor and he wanted to help this traitor. But when he noticed that the traitor's goal was actually something else but not money, Yuuichi changed his mind. The traitor (who at that moment, they thought their problem was money) refused the best strategy to reduce their debt. Yuuichi who tried to help the traitor, who he also considered a friend, changed his plans at that moment.
Do you get it now?

I don't think he assumed their goal was money. It was a possibility but he made sure to try and figure out if it was or was not their goal. It's a little unreasonable to assume getting out of debt was the goal because this game has horrible risk/reward and they had a rich friend in Shibe. They have much safer better means to escape debt.

I also don't think he intended everyone to win the game even from the start. If he did, there is a foolproof way to ensure a 5 way tie, by tricking everyone into telling a lie that only he could confirm and then revealing them when someone is one or two spaces from the end. He also still had the option of doing so after figuring out tenji was the traitor but not for debt. There's no logical reason for him to change his mind just because debt wasn't the traitors primary concern. He still has 3 non traitors who have to worry about the debt.

Additionally, his reasoning for going on alone had nothing to do with the traitor and everything to do with wanting to keep his friends safe from the rest of the game as well as assuage his guilt for not telling them he was a murderer.

In fact, if he really wanted to go on alone and expose the traitor he could do it on the very first turn of the game all by himself. Write 100 cards that say "I think 1+1 = 3", and then write "shibe applied to the tomodachi game", "shiho applied to the tomodachi game" "other girl (i forget her name) applied to the tomodachi game" "tenji applied to the tomodachi game". He then claims all of them are lies. They verify that tenji applying to the tomodachi game is not a lie and then punish him for 103 lies moving him 103 spaces forward ending the game instantly. This also leaves no time for his friends to start tearing apart the friendship and no chance for the traitor to "go berserk". It also doesn't require any cooperation from his friends and they don't have time to land on any squares to acquire any extra debt since we see that lying movement is applied before turn movement. In fact, it completely minimizes the amount of debt gained in the game. It is a flawless strategy.

May 11, 2022 5:42 AM

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phantomfandom said:
It's a big win, LOVE WINS! Even if I have 100 chances to predict how this episode will end I would never predict that kiss, considering that I'm also BL too. I bet even the smart ass Yuichi didn't see this coming LOL.

I need more BL twist like this in other anime, don't let Tomodachi Game be the only one in this path (sure, it's not the only one, but still very rare). I need to make it normal to have a guy kiss a guy.

I just skimmed the manga

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May 11, 2022 5:58 AM

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ROMARIOkkkk said:

Chipp12 said:

Same for your assumptions.

See? You don't even try to argue or refute what I said. Just take a bunch of rules out of your ass and take it for granted. Kinda pathetic

You know what? At the end of the day it's not important what he could or couldn't do to make the game go smoother. He was controlling the flow of the game to achieve his goal - go to the next game alone while leaving others behind - and he has (almost) done that.

May 11, 2022 5:58 AM

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Someone please tell me they kill of those annoying ass commentary girls this show would have 10x better pacing if they didn’t explain everything. Everything actually interesting happens in the last 5 minutes. Other than that great ep

May 11, 2022 5:59 AM

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ROMARIOkkkk said:

pasanoid said:

for a last few episodes Tenji guy is established as an amogus and what's more we get to hear his lengthy inner rambling -- he goes on and on about taking Sawaragi girl for himself and not much more. suddenly -- when it was revealed to the entire gang that he is in fact the amogus -- he declares himself gay, makes out with the mc and they both jump off the bridge. a meaningful start of a redemption arc? the story lays out some premises and then -- fuck you I lied -- goes in completely opposite direction. this is not an earned plot twist, this is a puddle of piss

Once again, wasn't it obvious that he just kissed Yuuichi so he could go on to the next game? Even when I was reading the manga was pretty obvious, not just that but this adaptation made it pretty clear that "Tenji has its own motives". It's not like he loves Yuuichi tho...

there is nothing obvious in this story because it lacks coherence. like, if he's suddenly just wanna play friends why was he an amogus for the last 4 episodes straight? and if he's suddenly gay, why he never thought how sweet dat Yuuichi's ass looks etc. in drama there is a concept of "Chechov's gun" (google it if you want) -- that implies that the details in the story must be necessary and enough to make sense basically. and then you have these types of story where there are guns everywhere and instead of getting shot you die from from butthole aneurysm

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May 11, 2022 6:01 AM

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WilfredJohnson said:
Someone please tell me they kill of those annoying ass commentary girls this show would have 10x better pacing if they didn’t explain everything. Everything actually interesting happens in the last 5 minutes. Other than that great ep

but they must explain everything because the story is so bad it can't explain itself through storytelling

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May 11, 2022 6:12 AM

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RinTheWanderer said:

ROMARIOkkkk said:
First, it's implied that Yuuichi did the way he did because he was trying to "help" the traitor. Let me explain, the reason why Yuuichi in first place accepted to play the Tomodachi Game was because he wanted to help his friend in debt. Therefore until the first "strategy" (the one that failed) he (and everyone else) thought that the traitor's goal was to get rid of their debt. Remember what Yuuichi did? He gave them a full layout of how the second game works saying that the "second part" of the game would have more spaces that reduce their debt, and then he said that he'd want to end that game with everyone together, with no more fight. He basically gave a chance to the traitor reduce their debt IF their problem was money, he gave this chance because he truly considered everyone there his friend, even the traitor and he wanted to help this traitor. But when he noticed that the traitor's goal was actually something else but not money, Yuuichi changed his mind. The traitor (who at that moment, they thought their problem was money) refused the best strategy to reduce their debt. Yuuichi who tried to help the traitor, who he also considered a friend, changed his plans at that moment.
Do you get it now?

I don't think he assumed their goal was money. It was a possibility but he made sure to try and figure out if it was or was not their goal. It's a little unreasonable to assume getting out of debt was the goal because this game has horrible risk/reward and they had a rich friend in Shibe. They have much safer better means to escape debt.

I also don't think he intended everyone to win the game even from the start. If he did, there is a foolproof way to ensure a 5 way tie, by tricking everyone into telling a lie that only he could confirm and then revealing them when someone is one or two spaces from the end. He also still had the option of doing so after figuring out tenji was the traitor but not for debt. There's no logical reason for him to change his mind just because debt wasn't the traitors primary concern. He still has 3 non traitors who have to worry about the debt.

Additionally, his reasoning for going on alone had nothing to do with the traitor and everything to do with wanting to keep his friends safe from the rest of the game as well as assuage his guilt for not telling them he was a murderer.

In fact, if he really wanted to go on alone and expose the traitor he could do it on the very first turn of the game all by himself. Write 100 cards that say "I think 1+1 = 3", and then write "shibe applied to the tomodachi game", "shiho applied to the tomodachi game" "other girl (i forget her name) applied to the tomodachi game" "tenji applied to the tomodachi game". He then claims all of them are lies. They verify that tenji applying to the tomodachi game is not a lie and then punish him for 103 lies moving him 103 spaces forward ending the game instantly. This also leaves no time for his friends to start tearing apart the friendship and no chance for the traitor to "go berserk". It also doesn't require any cooperation from his friends and they don't have time to land on any squares to acquire any extra debt since we see that lying movement is applied before turn movement. In fact, it completely minimizes the amount of debt gained in the game. It is a flawless strategy.

No it's not a little unreasonable. The purpose of the game is precisely to get rid of a debt that one of the 5 has through cooperation. Of course, Yuuichi might think a little further and say "maybe their motive isn't money", but aguarbly the first thought would be that the traitor is desperately trying to get out of debt.

Of course that was a way to Yuuichi tests the traitor. While he wanted everyone to cooperate through that first strategy, he also wanted to test the traitor's objective.

Now here you are right, it is possible that his plan from the beginning was to go alone to the next game. But still, he saw the opportunity for everyone to cooperate there in the second part of the game, where the debt would decrease dramatically. By doing this by arriving at the last space with everyone together, he could reveal that he told a lie and then go alone to the next game with almost no debt acquired there. The point is that he did all this in order to acquire as little debt as possible, a plan that failed because the traitor's purpose was not money. Either way, he still tried to help the traitor by using that strategy/test that failed, after all that's why he accepted to play the game in first place.

Now this strategy makes kinda sense but i don't think it would work, first because i doubt "I think 1+1=3" would be considered a defamation (if they consideredthat as a slander i would find it pretty dumb), second because it was just the start of the game, i don't think he had realized how the spaces would work.

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May 11, 2022 6:12 AM

#124

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aaaaa Yuichi is insane, I love how he planned all this and got everyone in it without Tenji even getting a whiff of it. Also I wonder what Tenji is up to now.

May 11, 2022 6:21 AM

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Chipp12 said:

ROMARIOkkkk said:

See? You don't even try to argue or refute what I said. Just take a bunch of rules out of your ass and take it for granted. Kinda pathetic

You know what? At the end of the day it's not important what he could or couldn't do to make the game go smoother. He was controlling the flow of the game to achieve his goal - go to the next game alone while leaving others behind - and he has (almost) done that.

Yeah yeah yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude at all.

May 11, 2022 6:44 AM

#126

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This series keeps on giving

May 11, 2022 6:54 AM

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Omg this do is my fav the anime is soooo good 🔥😫😫

May 11, 2022 6:57 AM

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Mapachecool999 said:
LOL, i didnt expect tenji to actually kiss him just to get to the third game, even so I loved this chapter, and this anime is still my favorite anime along spy x family in the season, I've always been a fan of this type of anime and I'm liking it so far a lot

Of course hello sooo cute omg 😍😍😫 I don’t see that coming and it was good love bl couples 😍😍🔥

May 11, 2022 7:26 AM

#129

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I’ve already read the manga so none of the twists were new, just renewing years old memory. While the concept was interesting, the delivery felt kind of boring. Whenever the anime tried to emphasise something, they just make yuuichi really edgy and/or so that cringey deranged face.

It would’ve been nicer if it had weird angle shots, colour palette changes like in jojo, key frame notes like in monogatiri, or even realistic images like in SpongeBob for concepts. I understand that it is a small studio, but for those who guess and/or know the strategy, it was pretty boring. Even the tenji confession lacked power.

The mode of delivery was good in manga but directly adapting it doesn’t feel right. It seems like they should’ve taken some sort of liberty to add stylistic features or even soundbytes to make the anime a better choice than the manga.

May 11, 2022 7:46 AM

#130

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Can't wait for a swordfight lololol

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May 11, 2022 7:50 AM

#131

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Why the fuck is an edgy death game anime with a low budget this clever?

just imagine if Tetsurou Araki had directed it....

I can only imagine

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May 11, 2022 8:05 AM

#132

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outstanding move holyyyy!!

something gehhh is happened here !!

May 11, 2022 11:04 AM

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ROMARIOkkkk said:

pasanoid said:

there is nothing obvious in this story because it lacks coherence. like, if he's suddenly just wanna play friends why was he an amogus for the last 4 episodes straight? and if he's suddenly gay, why he never thought how sweet dat Yuuichi's ass looks etc. in drama there is a concept of "Chechov's gun" (google it if you want) -- that implies that the details in the story must be necessary and enough to make sense basically. and then you have these types of story where there are guns everywhere and instead of getting shot you die from from butthole aneurysm

Bitch anyone with 2 iq would have noticed he desperately tried to go to the 3rd game, all your damn questions will be answered next episode.

Sorry for the "bitch" :(

sorry for only having 1 iq

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May 11, 2022 11:54 AM

#134

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Well, that was a super fun episode. While obviously thus far Tenji isn't a likeable character, gotta respect a liar that sticks to his guns. If you gonna lie, you better commit to it!
Obviously doubtful he wants to continue in the game just to help his "friend" on the third round but it worked... Wonder if continuing with the game actually helps with his goal surrounding Shiho in anyway. Because if his plan had worked out, Shisho would have gone alone to the third game, so:

- did he want her to suffer alone continuing the Tomodachi game? If so, why did he try so hard to go now (unless he really is an idiot and friendship is magic);
- did he want her to reach the goal alone BUT had planned to lie about "lying" since the start so they could BOTH go? But then what would be the point in continuing without her, unless...
- he wanted to go to the next round since the damn start but went on a maniacal tirade to screw Shisho over (because stupid teenager) since it would be two birds with one stone, making the "lie" thing premeditated as well.
Really curious to see what the real option is and how it pans out.

Also, kinda surprised some of you thought he was isolating Shiho because he liked her? At least with the fansubs I am following, it was made crystal clear from the start dude wanted revenge on her, not to be some white knight to gain the girl. He was isolating her and making himself her crutch, supposedly to then pull the rug from under her...

May 11, 2022 1:57 PM

#135

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This episode escalated so quickly. I am so amazed. Sad that I have to wait a week to see next one. :D Do you think Yuichi is really a murderer?

May 11, 2022 8:54 PM

#136

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Thank god it was only Tenji who really wanted to be in this game, Yuuichi's plan would fall apart immediately if there were 2 traitors instead of 1

Called it with the nametags, but the passing of the papers really took me by surprise. And his murder reveal tho

May 11, 2022 9:53 PM

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Well, that was a big fucking twist

May 11, 2022 10:55 PM

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Tenji keeps clownin' throughout these games, it's great

May 12, 2022 1:14 AM

#139

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Show, don't tell. This is actual garbage, but I have gotten so far that I need to know how the hell this will get resolved.

May 12, 2022 1:29 AM

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that kiss was so random lol

I mean, not that it was weird, but I think the suddenly confession was inconsistent.

what about all the "reason" for him to enter the game?

May 12, 2022 4:20 AM

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ROMARIOkkkk said:

No it's not a little unreasonable. The purpose of the game is precisely to get rid of a debt that one of the 5 has through cooperation. Of course, Yuuichi might think a little further and say "maybe their motive isn't money", but aguarbly the first thought would be that the traitor is desperately trying to get out of debt.

Of course that was a way to Yuuichi tests the traitor. While he wanted everyone to cooperate through that first strategy, he also wanted to test the traitor's objective.

Now here you are right, it is possible that his plan from the beginning was to go alone to the next game. But still, he saw the opportunity for everyone to cooperate there in the second part of the game, where the debt would decrease dramatically. By doing this by arriving at the last space with everyone together, he could reveal that he told a lie and then go alone to the next game with almost no debt acquired there. The point is that he did all this in order to acquire as little debt as possible, a plan that failed because the traitor's purpose was not money. Either way, he still tried to help the traitor by using that strategy/test that failed, after all that's why he accepted to play the game in first place.

Now this strategy makes kinda sense but i don't think it would work, first because i doubt "I think 1+1=3" would be considered a defamation (if they consideredthat as a slander i would find it pretty dumb), second because it was just the start of the game, i don't think he had realized how the spaces would work.

I mean, it goes back to the fundamental flaw of the story. Tomodachi game is not a good way to escape debt. It's extremely high risk and you immediately give up all control over the situation to people you don't know and can't trust (the admnistrators). Even if you are a complete sociopath and don't care about ruining the lives of people who call you friend, it's STILL a terrible idea to go into tomodachi game. There easier ways to escape debt that are much lower risk.

You mention that on turn one Yuuichi hadn't learned how the spaces work but he literally never learns how they work. He just assumes and is lucky to be correct. If he makes the same baseless assumption turn 1, it would have worked. If 1+1 = 3 isn't enough of a slander then he could just write fake slanders that are basic. Doesn't really change the situation.

And honestly his idea didn't even correctly deduce tenji wasn't doing it for money. We don't know how the rest or end of the game works so it's impossible to contextualize what lower debt means at this stage of the game. There could be a game later where you buy useful tools in the game with accumulated debt for instance or any number of things. Maybe turn order in a pivotal game is decided with debt and having the least at that stage is terrible. Maybe if you do too well they shoot you. There's too many unknowns for Yuuichi to come to the conclusions he did.

May 12, 2022 5:38 AM

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RinTheWanderer said:

ROMARIOkkkk said:

No it's not a little unreasonable. The purpose of the game is precisely to get rid of a debt that one of the 5 has through cooperation. Of course, Yuuichi might think a little further and say "maybe their motive isn't money", but aguarbly the first thought would be that the traitor is desperately trying to get out of debt.

Of course that was a way to Yuuichi tests the traitor. While he wanted everyone to cooperate through that first strategy, he also wanted to test the traitor's objective.

Now here you are right, it is possible that his plan from the beginning was to go alone to the next game. But still, he saw the opportunity for everyone to cooperate there in the second part of the game, where the debt would decrease dramatically. By doing this by arriving at the last space with everyone together, he could reveal that he told a lie and then go alone to the next game with almost no debt acquired there. The point is that he did all this in order to acquire as little debt as possible, a plan that failed because the traitor's purpose was not money. Either way, he still tried to help the traitor by using that strategy/test that failed, after all that's why he accepted to play the game in first place.

Now this strategy makes kinda sense but i don't think it would work, first because i doubt "I think 1+1=3" would be considered a defamation (if they consideredthat as a slander i would find it pretty dumb), second because it was just the start of the game, i don't think he had realized how the spaces would work.

I mean, it goes back to the fundamental flaw of the story. Tomodachi game is not a good way to escape debt. It's extremely high risk and you immediately give up all control over the situation to people you don't know and can't trust (the admnistrators). Even if you are a complete sociopath and don't care about ruining the lives of people who call you friend, it's STILL a terrible idea to go into tomodachi game. There easier ways to escape debt that are much lower risk.

You mention that on turn one Yuuichi hadn't learned how the spaces work but he literally never learns how they work. He just assumes and is lucky to be correct. If he makes the same baseless assumption turn 1, it would have worked. If 1+1 = 3 isn't enough of a slander then he could just write fake slanders that are basic. Doesn't really change the situation.

And honestly his idea didn't even correctly deduce tenji wasn't doing it for money. We don't know how the rest or end of the game works so it's impossible to contextualize what lower debt means at this stage of the game. There could be a game later where you buy useful tools in the game with accumulated debt for instance or any number of things. Maybe turn order in a pivotal game is decided with debt and having the least at that stage is terrible. Maybe if you do too well they shoot you. There's too many unknowns for Yuuichi to come to the conclusions he did.

Here you are making quite heavy assumptions and saying that is "flaw". Can't tell you much without spoiler, all I can say is that the Yuuichi was who really had the purest of the intentions in accepting to play the Tomodachi Game, he really just wanted to help his friends. Now about the others... we already "know" Tenji's motive.

Now I think Yuuichi did have reasons for make his assumption. Until the 6th period (if i'm not mistaken) they didn't know there were spaces where their debt would decrease. He based his assumptions on a real Sugoroku (i don't know how they work) and on how the game proposes the idea that if everyone cooperates, they can get rid of their debt. You can't play a damn game where you win 2 million yen if you clear it, but you lose more than that 2 million over the course of the game, even if you do exactly what you're supposed to do, cooperate.

In this part are you talking about the 2nd game or the Tomodachi Game as a whole? Anyway, when I said he tested Tenji's goal i was only referring to this 2nd game. I've already read the manga, but even so i don't think there could be any game where you use your debt to "buy" something. It would a bit inconsistent if you ask me. And would be such a bold of the traitor to think like that "oh, maybe the next games i'll need to have the largest debt in order to take the advantege and win". I mean, you only play the Tomodachi Game to reduce your debt, don't ya? Lol, why would you do the opposite of get rid of your debt at that moment lol.

May 12, 2022 5:40 AM

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RinTheWanderer said:
There could be a game later where you buy useful tools in the game with accumulated debt for instance

How do you buy with debt? I'd really like to know how that works.

May 12, 2022 5:47 AM

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Chipp12 said:

RinTheWanderer said:
There could be a game later where you buy useful tools in the game with accumulated debt for instance

How do you buy with debt? I'd really like to know how that works.

That's what I thought lol, it would be inconsistent. Maybe if you "buy" something with your debt, your debt "decrease" (still ?????), but then all you'd need to do is buy the largest amount of the most expensive items and in that way the game would be over real quick for anyone there. Unless there's a limit or idk. It would be so fucking convoluted.

May 12, 2022 6:40 AM

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Bruh the kiss scene at the ending HAHAHAHAHA, totally unexpected.

May 12, 2022 7:30 AM

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ROMARIOkkkk said:

Here you are making quite heavy assumptions and saying that is "flaw". Can't tell you much without spoiler, all I can say is that the Yuuichi was who really had the purest of the intentions in accepting to play the Tomodachi Game, he really just wanted to help his friends. Now about the others... we already "know" Tenji's motive.

Now I think Yuuichi did have reasons for make his assumption. Until the 6th period (if i'm not mistaken) they didn't know there were spaces where their debt would decrease. He based his assumptions on a real Sugoroku (i don't know how they work) and on how the game proposes the idea that if everyone cooperates, they can get rid of their debt. You can't play a damn game where you win 2 million yen if you clear it, but you lose more than that 2 million over the course of the game, even if you do exactly what you're supposed to do, cooperate.

In this part are you talking about the 2nd game or the Tomodachi Game as a whole? Anyway, when I said he tested Tenji's goal i was only referring to this 2nd game. I've already read the manga, but even so i don't think there could be any game where you use your debt to "buy" something. It would a bit inconsistent if you ask me. And would be such a bold of the traitor to think like that "oh, maybe the next games i'll need to have the largest debt in order to take the advantege and win". I mean, you only play the Tomodachi Game to reduce your debt, don't ya? Lol, why would you do the opposite of get rid of your debt at that moment lol.

His assumption that debt reduction spaces exist is because the game would be boring to the spectators otherwise. This assumption holds just as much weight before or after you see debt spaces and the optimal way of ending the game on 1 turn avoids all spaces and guarantees debt reduction.

I'm not making any assumptions. A person agreeing to play tomodachi game without prior knowledge with the goal of reducing debt is an idiot. There is no way around this. You'd have to be incredibly incredibly stupid to apply to the game to reduce debt unless you know how the game works (like being a previous player). That's the flaw of the story. By even agreeing to play the game in the first place, they have all proven they are irrational and dumb. The author just needs you to look the other way and accept that the characters magically assume they will be safe playing the game and that the game is fair and that if they win, the administrators will stick to their word and reduce the debt.

If the logical and smart tenji was the one that applied to the game, it's unthinkiable that it would be to reduce debt and without prior knowledge, because he isn't that stupid. He would be better served blackmailing Shibe's dad or something.

As to your last point, even if there isn't a way to use debt to your advantage in a future game, Yuuichi can't know that. If he correctly deduces that the traitor has prior knowledge of the tomodachi game, he can't predict the traitors actions, because he doesn't know how the future games will look.

For instance in kaiji very first game, you can use debt to your advantage. It's not even something that hasn't been done before in the genre. It doesn't matter if the actual game does it or not, because Yuuichi hasn't seen the rest of the game and the traitor may have.

The logic in this series is closer to misdirection than deduction. There's a lot of things the author needs you to not pay attention to or question in order for the story to proceed.

May 12, 2022 7:33 AM

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Chipp12 said:

RinTheWanderer said:
There could be a game later where you buy useful tools in the game with accumulated debt for instance

How do you buy with debt? I'd really like to know how that works.

As an example, imagine monopoly but the starting funds you have is how far in debt you are.

May 12, 2022 8:36 AM

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It pains me that after Yuichi gave an effort to expose the traitor and make himself play the third game alone (to save his' friends asses), they just immediately doubted, judged and casted Yuichi aside after knowing what he did in the past, especially Shibe (you fucking idiot).

I'm itching to know what the third game will be and why Tenji was so desperate to join Yuichi on it.

May 12, 2022 9:30 AM

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Aluminum_ said:
It pains me that after Yuichi gave an effort to expose the traitor and make himself play the third game alone (to save his' friends asses), they just immediately doubted, judged and casted Yuichi aside after knowing what he did in the past, especially Shibe (you fucking idiot).

I'm itching to know what the third game will be and why Tenji was so desperate to join Yuichi on it.

In fairness, they are high schoolers. If you were a high schooler and heard that a nice guy you thought was one of your closest friends and just generally a normal person had actually killed three people in cold blood and was admitting that right to your face, not at all ashamed or conflicted about it, wouldn't that make you start to doubt? Feel a little uncomfortable or shocked or upset? They're kids. And as we saw when Yuuichi and Tenji fell, it's not like they ended their friendships with him immediately after that, they were still worried and concerned for him; it's just that their initial reaction to something that, quite frankly, is a horrifying prospect for a high schooler to learn (after an already emotionally-grueling day of humiliation and suffering) wasn't a very good one. Could they have handled it better? Sure. But they're kids.

Their reactions were completely in line with their personalities. Shibe immediately says the first thing that comes to mind, insensitive as it is, Yutori shuts down out of stress and fear, overwhelmed by the knowledge that her maybe-crush is a killer, and the justice-obsessed Shiho tries to excuse and deny his actions because she can't accept it and wants to believe it's a lie.

Only Tenji, the calculating thinker who's done bad things himself for his own goals, understood what Yuuichi was trying to do and that's why he stood up for him.

May 12, 2022 9:40 AM

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