Monogatari Series: First Season
LightVelox said: The difference is that at least genocide in fiction is never portrayed as a good thing, it is always bad, and if there is a series or movie that says that genocide is fine, even the sexualized lolis in the anime continue to show it as if it were something normal, I never saw an anime that says that sexualizing lolis is wrong.Amatniki said: op and anyone else who cries about "sexualizing lolis" is fucking retarded Agreed, funny how they love genocide because "it's just fiction" but somehow this argument is invalid for loli |
 a wise user of MAL said: Just to clarify, adaptations should absolutely stand on their own |
| This is like saying classical art should be regarded the same way as some trashy porno because they both have naked people. Hard to belief anyone could watch Bakemonogatari (or any other entry in the series) and really wonder why it isn't seen in the same way as freaking Eromanga-sensei. |
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| Probably because the people who watch it are anime veterans who've been desensitized to it over the years. There is like at least one loli in every ecchi harem anime. Even I've been desensitized to it lol. |
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Leoradiuju2004 said: Funny cause Attack on Titan and Tensei Shitara Slime both portray genocide as good or atleast neutral and are extremely popularLightVelox said: The difference is that at least genocide in fiction is never portrayed as a good thing, it is always bad, and if there is a series or movie that says that genocide is fine, even the sexualized lolis in the anime continue to show it as if it were something normal, I never saw an anime that says that sexualizing lolis is wrong.Agreed, funny how they love genocide because "it's just fiction" but somehow this argument is invalid for loli |
| as far as i know, many people complain about the sexualized lolis in monogatari |
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| I'm really not okay with it but i enjoy the shows style so i try hard to look past the perverted shit in favor of the story |
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LightVelox said: I have not seen the other anime, but before the end, the genocide in AOT was never shown as a good thing,Leoradiuju2004 said: The difference is that at least genocide in fiction is never portrayed as a good thing, it is always bad, and if there is a series or movie that says that genocide is fine, even the sexualized lolis in the anime continue to show it as if it were something normal, I never saw an anime that says that sexualizing lolis is wrong. Genocide in Attack on Titan and Tensei Shitara Slime seemed very "good thing" to me |
a wise user of MAL said: Just to clarify, adaptations should absolutely stand on their own |
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  “The first requirement of being a hero isn’t being right. It’s being strong. That’s why the hero always wins.” – Koyomi Araragi |
| Not all shows are the same. I’m pretty sure Monogatari is better in many other aspects compared the shows you brought up. That doesn’t mean people don’t complain about the fan service is Mono because there are plenty of critics, but it has a large fan base that loves series for several reasons. Also, if you think Hachikuji and Shinobu are just lolis, you haven’t really watched the show. |
| First off, they're not. At least a good portion of them aren't. People whine about Monogatari all the time. Secondly, for the people that don't whine, it's because they realize that the age of fucking lines on paper obviously doesn't matter. They aren't real human beings. You can sexualize them all you want. |
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AtmosphericEntry said: This series is just too big of a W for lolicons. If it started today there would be a lot more pushback, but in the end I think they'd still take the hill(it's flat after all.) Still kinda embarrassing whenever someone wants to equate pedophilic ideation with comedy, and talk about laws as if they were penned to consider 500 year old children. They're not real. Get over it. |
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TsukuyomiREKT said: You've got me so mad right now for saying this. They're real to me.AtmosphericEntry said: This series is just too big of a W for lolicons. If it started today there would be a lot more pushback, but in the end I think they'd still take the hill(it's flat after all.) Still kinda embarrassing whenever someone wants to equate pedophilic ideation with comedy, and talk about laws as if they were penned to consider 500 year old children. They're not real. Get over it. |
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| I started watching it and I kind of noticed it too. Some scenes I know have been notorious from the series like the toothbrush one lol. Haven't got that far yet in the show. I think there is meaning behind some of it in a way. I'll have to watch more probably to understand it. Might also need to read the novel idk Overall I think it's a good question. Just hard to really have a decent conversation about these kind of things without people taking it personally. |
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| dont worry the loli is a 800 year old vampire its part of the plot yes nothing to worry its part of the plot ok ima be honest, i think the reason why people are okay with it is because the monogatari series started in 2009, there are not a lot of animes like it (especially your examples) and it has a lot of respect from the community, the only reason why animes like eromanga sensei got so controversial is that the anime community is so much bigger and much more critical, gonna keep in mind that the novels was release back in the mid 2000s |
| Because they can self insert themselves into the pedo self of arararararagi and are completely fine with that. |
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| People are okay with it because only pretentious people get past episode 5 of this horrible show and think every part of it is good, when in actuality its the most boring piece of fiction created by man. |
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| this thread is huge but in my opinion I think its just the difference in the audience as well as just because monogatari is more based around other things also comparing to eromanga sensei its not just disliked because of the sexualized loli, but also because the story is pretty bad |
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PiyushSan said: laslodj said: People are okay with it because only pretentious people get past episode 5 of this horrible show and think every part of it is good, when in actuality its the most boring piece of fiction created by man. Ever heard of something called different taste? Of course, but there is a boundary to how bad of a show people can subjectively like. So liking dogshit is not a valid opinion. |
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PiyushSan said: laslodj said: Of course, but there is a boundary to how bad of a show people can subjectively like. So liking dogshit is not a valid opinion. Yeah, and that's just 'your' subjective opinion. False. The monogatari series is objectively trash. If you gathered 1000 people and listed off the basement dwellers, anime and manga elitists, weaboos, pedophiles, pretentious edgy teenagers and otakus I guarantee you that the remaining audience will collectively fall asleep when you play them the first episode of this horrible series. |
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PiyushSan said: laslodj said: False. The monogatari series is objectively trash. If you gathered 1000 people and listed off the basement dwellers, anime and manga elitists, weaboos, pedophiles, pretentious edgy teenagers and otakus I guarantee you that the remaining audience will collectively fall asleep when you play them the first episode of this horrible series. Found another.... I wanna say the r-word but mods will ban me. That just means you are a scared noob. If you fear talking shit on a computer then you probably shouldn't use one. I don't know what I expected from a basement dweller like you. |
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PiyushSan said: laslodj said: That just means you are a scared noob. If you fear talking shit on a computer then you probably shouldn't use one. I don't know what I expected from a basement dweller like you. Yeah, then please use the word. Mf gives Tokyo Ghoul Jack and Pinto a 10 and then shit talks about other anime. Didn't you say ratings are subjective and that anyone can have their own opinion? You should practice what you preach. And yes, I will write the word retard. Nobody should be banned for simply using this word in a civilzied sentence which is not an attack at someone. Lets see you report me and see if the admins will listen to your butthurt cries that just fill up the system. The reason that many anime don't get approved is because people like you fill up the admin's time by reporting irrelevant shit like this. By the way, I still think you are a scared noob... |
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PiyushSan said: laslodj said: Didn't you say ratings are subjective and that anyone can have their own opinion? You should practice what you preach. And yes, I will write the word retard. Nobody should be banned for simply using this word in a civilzied sentence which is not an attack at someone. Lets see you report me and see if the admins will listen to your butthurt cries that just fill up the system. The reason that many anime don't get approved is because people like you fill up the admin's time by reporting irrelevant shit like this. By the way, I still think you are a scared noob... Yeah, good luck when mods find out about it eventually. Why did you assume that I'm the one that's gonna report you? Scared? Scared of what? You are scared of talking shit back to me. You've derailed this topic far too much now and it's obvious to me that you want me to roast you, so that you can laugh at me being banned... Sorry, but I'm not blind. This will be my final reply to you. Have fun watching this pedophile catering show, you basement dweller. Hope you laugh at 10 year old anime girls getting groped by a shitty two dimensional protagonist in who you probably immerse yourself in... |
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| Honest Answer It's Anime I don't view Lolis and Real Children in the same category and never will because I for one can tell the difference. If it upsets me, I simply do not go out of my way to watch it, but if others are cool with it, I have no issue with that. |
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| it still gets a bit of flak for that though but yeah there does seem to be differnece in how they're treated i don't like it but i don't really have a problem with it, it's just a animation, no one is hurt so its fine, but i wish there was more hanekawa tiddy instead |
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| Seeing that MAL users and nonces are basically synonymous, you're very daring to post something like this, OP. Sexualized children in anime is just another way to attract the lonely weirdos pervading the horrid side of this community (aka the majority side) |
pls play jet set radio future for the microsoft xbox. thanks |
| Thing is people have totally a different view when it comes to an anime about sexualisation of minors, like i think that most of these underage loli are voiced by adult VA and most people know about it and i honestly never understood the loli fetish like how someone can like an underage girl but i came to conclusion that maybe they are justifying their fetish as the character is voiced by adult women and they see no problem in that. Plus if people doing this thinking monogatari as fiction and are not like "liking minors" in real life then there is no problem as they know what they are doing but if they like "loli" and actually thinking that she is voiced by a kid and also liking "minors" in real life, then sheeeeesh they need help. Just remember fiction is different that reality. |
| 2023 might be the year where I will be happy. This year is not happy year. |
| i wonder why people makes such a deal about sexualization nowadays, when literally no one cared a shi- about it just a few years ago. Now you cant have seemingly underage characters look cute without some clonic snowflake getting upset about it and making a big fuss and overthinking literally every single thing. |
SimpleDoorLogics said: One thing you have to know about the monogatari series is that : Every character is based off of a well-known anime trope, only to be later becoming much more of a developped character later in the series. If we take Senjougahara for example : She originally seems like a Tsundere or a Yandere for some people. A lot of People then got confused about her personnality because she becomes more and more kind towards Araragi, which isn't how a Tsundere works, and neither a Yandere does. Even her personnality from Koimonogatari, which is an entry that happens much later in the series, is completely different from her original personnality seen in bakemonogatari. So now that we established how this so-called "character deconstuction" happens in the series with Senjou, let's now do the same but with the 2 lolis seen in Bakemonogatari : Mayoi Hachikuji seem to be another random loli which the MC is completely obsessed with, but then you get extremely emotionnal scenes with her in Onimonogatari. The more you watch, the more you understand that the entire purpose of Hachikuji's sexual harrassement by Araragi is only used for comedic effect ( you can judge for yourself if this is a satire about most loli-related romance shows like Eromanga sensei). And the more you progress in the story, the less you get those moments until you hit Onimonogatari, and after that you won't see that "Fan-service" for a long time. You kinda start missing the sexual harrassement. This show, made me miss a 30 seconds gag which is pure sexual harrassement. I'm absolutely not mad about it, i'm just impressed. The story is also completely told by Araragi's perspective, which makes sense about why there are so much fan-service ( because he's a horny 17-year-old who is also part vampire ). If Araragi is the one telling the story, then he tells his story *the way he wants*, so as a 17-year-old, he obviously would put some Fan-service in his own story. You might be thinking it's a poor excuse, but i'm seriously not kidding when i say "he tells his story THE WAY HE WANTS". That means that he can stretch the story the way he wants, how he wants. On the other hands, i can't talk about that much about Nadeko Sengoku's character because it would spoil Otorimonogatari, which i don't want to. This is just a quick text about character deconstuction and "unreliable narrators" in the monogatari series. If you wanna have more detailed stuff about the greatness of the monogatari narration, check out this playlist ( might have some spoilers on other monogatari series btw ) : https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQoVKoEXurCuRBNDtUVtnBnV1X36otzCH ^ This because monogatari doesn't do it for "fanservice." It would be like going after the made in abyss series for it as well. which would just be dumb. all the "fanservice." in monogatari serves a narrative role based on view points. |
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| i'm ok becouse i like them |
| I don't give a crap about sexualized fictional characters in general. And while I haven't seen Eromanga Sensei and Kodomo no Jikan yet, I'm pretty sure I won't care there either. |
| It IS okay. Because, and now say it with me kids : IT.IS.ANIME. |
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| i am honestly fine with it it's just drawn not real people so whats wrong with it |
| Monogatari likes to combine different elements of genres into one piece while maintaining a storyline, so I don't quite get it why they added ecchi. This genre is really common nowadays but I still love it because it keep our minds more awake than just watching a long, normal conversation done in one episode, but Monogatari takes it one step further. You have incest siblings, a chick that borrows him her undergarments, a pre-schooler getting her body groped by him, etc. With all of these weird relationships in Monogatari, one can hardly get into this series. I'm not tryna say Monogatari is bad, but its Gold. |
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