Goblin Slayer (light novel)
| Out of curiosity, can somebody tell me why this thread is filled with so many passionate defenders of the show? From what it seems like most of them haven't even read the LN, so how come they are already so invested in the story? It's only the first episode guys... |
| Episode 1 had quite a bit of content that I think a lot of people may find troubling, but I wouldn't hate on it for it. It's a bit much for my tastes, but if other people enjoy it then I think that's perfectly fine and people should watch what makes them happy. If you didn't enjoy it no one is forcing you to keep watching it. (Even if this anime isn't what I like to watch I think it's interesting enough to keep watching. I just really hope the brawler lady ends up being okay.) |
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ResKori said: NthDegree said: Out of curiosity, can somebody tell me why this thread is filled with so many passionate defenders of the show? From what it seems like most of them haven't even read the LN, so how come they are already so invested in the story? It's only the first episode guys... I've read the manga the several chapters that are out, but that has nothing to do with the anime. I think they're different mediums and should be judged separately. Just because someone has read the LN/Manga that doesn't give them any more credibility to what they say than the people who only saw the anime. And I guess it's more about the OP opening comment, which I find hilarious. If he's allowed to do that based on an episode, then other people should do the opposite based on one episode. So what you're saying is that the defenders should care even less about all the bashing the show is getting since LN merits do not carry over? Not that I disagree, but it makes the fervor all the more puzzling. Well, to be fair, I do think he's right. At least I am already completely fed up with this Danmachi style game-world-but-not-really settings to the point of calling them generic. And while edgy is rather controversial term to use, the show is certainly just using the shock factor for shock factor's sake, without actually giving us a reason to care about the characters or their tragedy beforehand... So them getting raped is not particularly sad, it's just kinda boring and uncomfortable. It's as if we're supposed to like the show because it has lots of violence and rape, rather than using them for any kind of narrative purpose. So yeah, what I'm essentially saying is that the writing is bad. At least for me it's way faster to tell if I'm going to hate something than to build attachment for story and characters. Is this not the case for you? |
NthDegree said: Well, to be fair, I do think he's right. At least I am already completely fed up with this Danmachi style game-world-but-not-really settings to the point of calling them generic. And while edgy is rather controversial term to use, the show is certainly just using the shock factor for shock factor's sake, without actually giving us a reason to care about the characters or their tragedy beforehand... So them getting raped is not particularly sad, it's just kinda boring and uncomfortable. It's as if we're supposed to like the show because it has lots of violence and rape, rather than using them for any kind of narrative purpose. So yeah, what I'm essentially saying is that the writing is bad. At least for me it's way faster to tell if I'm going to hate something than to build attachment for story and characters. Is this not the case for you? Would it have been less "edgy" to spend two or three episodes detailing these characters' backstories only to manipulate us into feeling sad that they died? |
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epidemia78 said: NthDegree said: Well, to be fair, I do think he's right. At least I am already completely fed up with this Danmachi style game-world-but-not-really settings to the point of calling them generic. And while edgy is rather controversial term to use, the show is certainly just using the shock factor for shock factor's sake, without actually giving us a reason to care about the characters or their tragedy beforehand... So them getting raped is not particularly sad, it's just kinda boring and uncomfortable. It's as if we're supposed to like the show because it has lots of violence and rape, rather than using them for any kind of narrative purpose. So yeah, what I'm essentially saying is that the writing is bad. At least for me it's way faster to tell if I'm going to hate something than to build attachment for story and characters. Is this not the case for you? Would it have been less "edgy" to spend two or three episodes detailing these characters' backstories only to manipulate us into feeling sad that they died? I do think so, yes. |
NthDegree said: epidemia78 said: Would it have been less "edgy" to spend two or three episodes detailing these characters' backstories only to manipulate us into feeling sad that they died? I do think so, yes. If the story went that route, it would be too cruel and viewers would be justified in rage-quitting. |
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epidemia78 said: If the story went that route, it would be too cruel and viewers would be justified in rage-quitting. So what you're saying is... after all this talk about how people are wussies for not liking excessive rape scenes.... is that actually using it for emotional impact understanding the full gravity of the scene would be too dark for you? What's the point of even having rape then, if you only want it if it's badly written?? I do think this is exactly why people call it edgy: it wants to appear dark without actually being it. @ResKori I'm glad we can agree. This is why I think violence and rape would have worked much better if they were later in the series, when we actually cared about what was going on. For example, since when has anyone complained about rape in There is also the problem that if this is how you start the series, how are you going to escalate things? A good example on how to start a dark series is Texhnolyze: the MC is hurt and literally crawling along the streets after being partially dismembered. It's horrible, but there are still much darker things for the series to sink into. |
NthDegreeOct 10, 2018 2:43 PM
| @suckonthis What narrative point would that serve? If the characters are already dead, there are no more stakes or tension in the scene. All that remains is just necro-rape-porn, if you're into that. @ResKori Well, I hope at least now you can see why so many people call it bad, myself included. Anyway, if you absolutely must have the rape as our introduction to the series, they could just show them getting caught with the implication of rape and then show their corpses afterwards. As it is, the scene has waaaay too much screentime that could be used better for something more useful, like trying to give us that all important reason to care. |
NthDegree said: ResKori said: I've read the manga the several chapters that are out, but that has nothing to do with the anime. I think they're different mediums and should be judged separately. Just because someone has read the LN/Manga that doesn't give them any more credibility to what they say than the people who only saw the anime. And I guess it's more about the OP opening comment, which I find hilarious. If he's allowed to do that based on an episode, then other people should do the opposite based on one episode. So what you're saying is that the defenders should care even less about all the bashing the show is getting since LN merits do not carry over? Not that I disagree, but it makes the fervor all the more puzzling. Well, to be fair, I do think he's right. At least I am already completely fed up with this Danmachi style game-world-but-not-really settings to the point of calling them generic. And while edgy is rather controversial term to use, the show is certainly just using the shock factor for shock factor's sake, without actually giving us a reason to care about the characters or their tragedy beforehand... So them getting raped is not particularly sad, it's just kinda boring and uncomfortable. It's as if we're supposed to like the show because it has lots of violence and rape, rather than using them for any kind of narrative purpose. So yeah, what I'm essentially saying is that the writing is bad. At least for me it's way faster to tell if I'm going to hate something than to build attachment for story and characters. Is this not the case for you? Not sure whether the point was for you to care about the characters aka the newbies that died . It feels more like the anime is trying to show what happens when someone is overconfident and cocky and establishes that goblins should not the underestimated. At least that's how I see it. Also the actual main cast has yet to be introduced besides the Goblin Slayer and Priestess. I wouldn't call it bad writing to be honest, at least not yet. Unless the main cast starts dying off like in Akame Ga Kill or the series uses stuff like rape too much then I don't think that it's going to be only shock value. People are generally defending the series because OP has no valid criticism other than "hurr durr it's EDGY" and as I said in one of my posts here, that is not criticism and it never was to begin with, it's just using a retarded buzzword that the internet has twisted over time for its own uses. Another reason is that it's just the first episode and you can't say the entire series is shit based on that. I mean, what happened to the 3 episode rule at least ? Or is it the 1 episode rule now ? |
Vlad4o said: NthDegree said: So what you're saying is that the defenders should care even less about all the bashing the show is getting since LN merits do not carry over? Not that I disagree, but it makes the fervor all the more puzzling. Well, to be fair, I do think he's right. At least I am already completely fed up with this Danmachi style game-world-but-not-really settings to the point of calling them generic. And while edgy is rather controversial term to use, the show is certainly just using the shock factor for shock factor's sake, without actually giving us a reason to care about the characters or their tragedy beforehand... So them getting raped is not particularly sad, it's just kinda boring and uncomfortable. It's as if we're supposed to like the show because it has lots of violence and rape, rather than using them for any kind of narrative purpose. So yeah, what I'm essentially saying is that the writing is bad. At least for me it's way faster to tell if I'm going to hate something than to build attachment for story and characters. Is this not the case for you? Not sure whether the point was for you to care about the characters aka the newbies that died . It feels more like the anime is trying to show what happens when someone is overconfident and cocky and establishes that goblins should not the underestimated. At least that's how I see it. Also the actual main cast has yet to be introduced besides the Goblin Slayer and Priestess. I wouldn't call it bad writing to be honest, at least not yet. Unless the main cast starts dying off like in Akame Ga Kill or the series uses stuff like rape too much then I don't think that it's going to be only shock value. People are generally defending the series because OP has no valid criticism other than "hurr durr it's EDGY" and as I said in one of my posts here, that is not criticism and it never was to begin with, it's just using a retarded buzzword that the internet has twisted over time for its own uses. Another reason is that it's just the first episode and you can't say the entire series is shit based on that. I mean, what happened to the 3 episode rule at least ? Or is it the 1 episode rule now ? Like I said in my previous post, if they only wanted to show that lesson, there is no need to devote nearly that much screentime to it. All it does is to waste the audience's time and that's just bad writing. Technically, each scene in good film making is supposed to serve multiple purposes, but I'm being merciful here lol. By the way, since you said the show has gotten no valid criticism, does that mean that you also consider what I said in that quote invalid? Just for the record, 3 episode rule has never been more than a guideline. There is nothing saying that you absolutely have to watch that far or that you can't have any opinions before it. |
abystoma2 said: "THE world building and characters didn't made sense to me." It's literally just the first episode. I thought it did a pretty great job at setting the tone and subverting expectations. Odd how people don't see that. |
NthDegree said: If it means anything, it at least does so a bit in the LN to where it actually stings a bit. The series obviously gets its infamy because of the rape. Namely the rape from this starting chapter, which definitely was meant to have shock value. It doesn't use rape as fanservice in the series like so many people assume, but as an added feeling of threat that helps further paint how horrible the goblins are, and why GS is so unforgiving towards them. I guess it can be perceived as edgy, especially when so many fans never shut up about goblin rape memes.epidemia78 said: Would it have been less "edgy" to spend two or three episodes detailing these characters' backstories only to manipulate us into feeling sad that they died? I do think so, yes. The main thing I like about the series is the D&D-like setting and exploration. GS is also a fairly interesting protagonist that's fun to follow along with. The ways he strategically goes about his missions and the unorthodox methods of killing he comes up with are an added guilty pleasure to read. Just my two cents. |
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NthDegree said: Vlad4o said: Not sure whether the point was for you to care about the characters aka the newbies that died . It feels more like the anime is trying to show what happens when someone is overconfident and cocky and establishes that goblins should not the underestimated. At least that's how I see it. Also the actual main cast has yet to be introduced besides the Goblin Slayer and Priestess. I wouldn't call it bad writing to be honest, at least not yet. Unless the main cast starts dying off like in Akame Ga Kill or the series uses stuff like rape too much then I don't think that it's going to be only shock value. People are generally defending the series because OP has no valid criticism other than "hurr durr it's EDGY" and as I said in one of my posts here, that is not criticism and it never was to begin with, it's just using a retarded buzzword that the internet has twisted over time for its own uses. Another reason is that it's just the first episode and you can't say the entire series is shit based on that. I mean, what happened to the 3 episode rule at least ? Or is it the 1 episode rule now ? Like I said in my previous post, if they only wanted to show that lesson, there is no need to devote nearly that much screentime to it. All it does is to waste the audience's time and that's just bad writing. Technically, each scene in good film making is supposed to serve multiple purposes, but I'm being merciful here lol. By the way, since you said the show has gotten no valid criticism, does that mean that you also consider what I said in that quote invalid? Just for the record, 3 episode rule has never been more than a guideline. There is nothing saying that you absolutely have to watch that far or that you can't have any opinions before it. I never said that the show hasn't gotten any valid criticism. I just said that criticism like "It's edgy so that means it's bad" is not valid, since it gives no explanation and no logical argument behind it. What you said is not invalid, in fact it's probably one of the few actual arguments I've seen so far on this website without needed to say stuff like "EDGY=BAD" and so on. As for the show. I'm not sure whether each scene has to exactly serve multiple purposes, some scenes can serve one purpose and still be good. Not everything has to have some super deep and complex meaning behind it in order to be good writing. And as I said the show was aiming at establishing that goblins are dangerous and should not be underestimated and the difference between a prepared adventurer like Goblin Slayer and newbies who have no idea what they are doing. As for the rape, was the necessary ? Maybe not. But that at least it showed how goblins supposedly reproduce and why they need to rape women. |
Vlad4o said: NthDegree said: Like I said in my previous post, if they only wanted to show that lesson, there is no need to devote nearly that much screentime to it. All it does is to waste the audience's time and that's just bad writing. Technically, each scene in good film making is supposed to serve multiple purposes, but I'm being merciful here lol. By the way, since you said the show has gotten no valid criticism, does that mean that you also consider what I said in that quote invalid? Just for the record, 3 episode rule has never been more than a guideline. There is nothing saying that you absolutely have to watch that far or that you can't have any opinions before it. I never said that the show hasn't gotten any valid criticism. I just said that criticism like "It's edgy so that means it's bad" is not valid, since it gives no explanation and no logical argument behind it. What you said is not invalid, in fact it's probably one of the few actual arguments I've seen so far on this website without needed to say stuff like "EDGY=BAD" and so on. As for the show. I'm not sure whether each scene has to exactly serve multiple purposes, some scenes can serve one purpose and still be good. Not everything has to have some super deep and complex meaning behind it in order to be good writing. And as I said the show was aiming at establishing that goblins are dangerous and should not be underestimated and the difference between a prepared adventurer like Goblin Slayer and newbies who have no idea what they are doing. As for the rape, was the necessary ? Maybe not. But that at least it showed how goblins supposedly reproduce and why they need to rape women. As I said that's a general rule of good writing... However, since I'm not even expecting good writing out of this thing, I'm generally ignoring it and just pointing out how poorly they divided up the time between scenes, with frankly creepy focus on rape stealing time from establishing the base foundation of your story. I would not say that the fact there is rape in itself is the problem - it is the fact that the rape is used for cheap shock factor by focusing on it excessively, when we don't even have a reason to care about the characters involved. No wonder people got such a negative impression on this. |
NthDegree said: So what you're saying is... after all this talk about how people are wussies for not liking excessive rape scenes.... is that actually using it for emotional impact understanding the full gravity of the scene would be too dark for you? What's the point of even having rape then, if you only want it if it's badly written?? I do think this is exactly why people call it edgy: it wants to appear dark without actually being it. I can totally understand why some people might be turned off by the content of the first episode and I never called them wusses for having a opinion different from my own. I'd honestly rather not get invested in a series that builds up characters only to have them raped and tortured for "emotional impact" and I actively avoid such content if I can help it. If you like that sort of thing, enjoy...I guess. Also, keep in mind that many stories begin with violence and/or tragedy as a prologue. Could be a post apocalypse adventure or a tale of revenge or even a guy getting dumped by his girlfriend. |
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| @epidemia78 It is my opinion that if the story cannot handle the full emotional weight of rape (but still wants to have it in detail), you should probably not criticize people for calling it 'edgy'. Regardless, I do understand not everyone likes tragedy genre. You know the reason why those things are usually put to the prologue or some flashback is so we can quickly learn the essential information for the story, without having to go into excessive detail at the beginning of the series. Gobling Slayer just basically halts the entire plot just to deliver us some some misery porn, before finally resuming to the premise. So if that is what it's trying to go for, it fails at it. |
NthDegree said: Out of curiosity, can somebody tell me why this thread is filled with so many passionate defenders of the show? From what it seems like most of them haven't even read the LN, so how come they are already so invested in the story? It's only the first episode guys... People were thirsty for dark fantasy in the midst of the lighter isekai or traditional fantasy, and the controversy on rape adds a "cool underground" vibe to the series for some people. It also has a relatively uncomplicated plot and skips out on things like politics, so it's easy to digest. You're not wrong about the LN, btw. It does just as good a job creating a dark setting -- maybe better, and the rape tends to be expressed in a few throwaway lines. By contrast the violence and gore are painted in much more vivid detail. For example, guts are described as spilling out after the goblins |
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NthDegree said: @epidemia78 It is my opinion that if the story cannot handle the full emotional weight of rape (but still wants to have it in detail), you should probably not criticize people for calling it 'edgy'. Regardless, I do understand not everyone likes tragedy genre. You know the reason why those things are usually put to the prologue or some flashback is so we can quickly learn the essential information for the story, without having to go into excessive detail at the beginning of the series. Gobling Slayer just basically halts the entire plot just to deliver us some some misery porn, before finally resuming to the premise. So if that is what it's trying to go for, it fails at it. This first episode delivered a ton of information about the story if you were paying attention. We know the Slayer himself is obsessed with killing goblins for some reason. We know goblins are underestimated by the adventurers guild and thanks to that five second long rape scene, viewers know that a fate arguably worse than death awaits our heroes if they make a mistake. Now we're invested in seeing the healer girl stay safe, learn the tricks of the trade from a master of goblin slaying so they can punish the little bastards. |
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Lobinde said: Yeah it is edgy but it's the good, fun kind of edgy instead of the bad, Elfen Lied kind of edgy. Wow there, I have to stop you right there. I think you ment Miraii Nikki instead. :^) |
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Timz0r said: Lobinde said: Yeah it is edgy but it's the good, fun kind of edgy instead of the bad, Elfen Lied kind of edgy. Wow there, I have to stop you right there. I think you ment Miraii Nikki instead. :^) Lol, thats pretty much what I thought. Mirai Nikki is the epitome of the bad kind of edgy. |
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| It felt really sloppy: animation, pacing, character design... Hell, it's the first episode as a whole spent in just the prologue of the story. I can easily imagine all of this could've been made into half the episode at most, without having to delve into every detail they could inside that dark cave (can you even conceive a more bland-looking and boring setting?). And actually have time in the second half to introduce the audience with what's the show actually going to be about. Something else rather than dispensable characters being killed and the Goblin Slayer doing the one thing that is obvious from the title alone. I'm really impressed at all the people defending the show using the "it's only the first episode, mate" argument, when precisely the first episode managed to spend 20+ minutes showing nothing but really distasteful violence. |
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| @ZedClodRaker I do suppose if you haven't seen much dark fantasy before, this may seem novel but that's true for literally every genre... Ah, I wish it had politics. I'm a sucker for politics in anime lol. @eikichi00 I have said this before, but if all we needed to know was that rape was a thing, it would have been enough to show the newbies captured with the implication of rape and then show their corpses afterwards. The extended violence and rape is not only irrelevant to the plot but also halts the whole pacing to give us some misery porn. None of that was necessary, so I do think 'cheap shock factor' is very much a thing here. @epidemia78 I never said it didn't deliver us information outside the violence and rape. I'm simply saying the amount of it was unnecessary to the point of hampering the show's pacing and that it made the whole thing feel cheap. EDIT: @Unowen above is basically explaining the problem I have with the pacing. |
NthDegreeOct 10, 2018 5:42 PM
| Funny reading these pacing complaints, as I thought the first part of the episode was a bit rushed. I also really didn't feel like the rape part was excessive. It's not like we got an h-scene, we saw just enough to know it happened. |
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bastek66 said: Aoyama_Alexi said: as for the episode that aired.. it set the tone. it did a decent job doing it. now let's hope it has more depth in future epi's alongside what it showed so far. There is no depth in murdering gobs. and as someone who read the manga it literally doesnt get better than that. LN said to develop further for the characters but later on other than GS and Priestess they are 1D characters |
abystoma2 said: "THE world building and characters didn't made sense to me." It's literally just the first episode. Did you read the source? it doesnt get better than that really. Imagine if goblin already that brutal smart and powerful, in fantasy world can you even imagine how powerful even myhtical being / even super villain later? It cant be even lower than goblins since they're considered low tier monster. For anime watcher only you've been warned. It is enjoyable but there havent been any great point yet other than Killing goblins, rest, Killing goblins, rest, More goblins, and more damn goblins like hell i know its the tittle, but thats too much goblins for 1 story. |
Psyotic said: Somali_Strawhat said: And to the many people calling it edgy because of rape, does the show actually glorify it? Does the director actually depict it graphically in detail? Is it pointless? I would argue that portraying rape in the way that Goblin Slayer did was pointless, yes. While the goblins reproduce through raping women, I don't think that justifies it being shown. It's unlikely we will ever see that character again, so it's clearly being shown to further develop the character, so it's really only shown in explicit detail for shock factor. In something like 13 Reasons Why, while we do see two characters raped in fairly disturbing detail (I would say moreso than GS), it isn't something that is ignored and if anything is a central point for both the story and the characters. Goblin Slayer seems to take all sorts of crap for just delivering what it says on the tin as quickly as possible by creating an antagonistIc force absolutely no one would root for. This is another thing I don't quite understand when it comes to the show: It is obviously conflicted when it comes to portraying the morality of the goblins, but doesn't want to commit to it in any sort of way. When we see the protagonist find a group of 4-5 baby goblins cowering in fear, they aren't shown to be threatening in any sort of way. They very well could have been shown to be as manic and deranged as the adults, whipped up into a frenzy of fight over flight, but the show doesn't do that. Instead we now see the protagonist harming a creature that isn't fighting back, and the priestess (who is clearly the narrative stand-in for the audience in this situation) asks him why he must do something so heinous. And regardless of whether you agree or disagree with his justification (that these goblins will grow to be evil and therefore they must be killed now), the fact that he needs to justify himself shows that the conflict is as simple or black and white as just killing the evil monsters. Its a simple story with great visuals to convey its simple message. The visuals weren't even that special in my opinion. If something is going to be purely focused on the action rather than narrative, themes, or characters, then the action needs to be well done. You brought up Kill Bill earlier, which clearly has great action (as do most Tarantino films), but this also applies to films like The Raid 1 & 2, which have such great action scenes that they essentially carry the entire film. If we look at an anime like Drifters for example, it's far from being the height of intellectual content, but the action is entertaining and it accomplishes what it set out to do. But Goblin Slayer really lacks any flair or spectacle to its combat or animation - it isn't as inventive or experimental as something like Devilman: Crybaby, nor is it as flawlessly choreographed and animated as something like Violet Evergarden. It's essentially lackluster in its animation department and it doesn't really feel like its trying to excel in an facet of its existence. If the point of the rape scene was to further develop the throwaway character than definitely I would agree with you it would be pointless. I interpreted it as some sort of Fd up punishment for ubderestimating the goblins, and having the priestess witness this first hand be a way to harden her later on. Is rape as a means of punishment distasteful? Yeah, not a big fan of when rape is being depicted to be the fault of the victim so won't argue with you there. Its just used as shock factor. But thats kind of the point of a series where the main draw is the shock factor of its violence. If the series was about coping with rape, I'd be offended as hell by this episode. But its not so i just reacted the same way the characters did and forgot it happened. In terms of the visuals, I stated how its fine but uninspiring I mentioned stuff like Tarantino and other action films to criticize people using edgy as a critique not because I think this is a great representation of what edgy done right is because it most certainly isn't. For a dark fantasy setting set in a medieval middle ages it pissed me off that the town aesthetics reminded me of Konosuba and that isekai with the smartphone. It was too bright, too clean. The guild wasn't dirty or rowdy or anarchic enough for me to believe it was a place wherepeople who hunt evil mythical serial raping beasts for money would gather for a place to drink. Its too civil and sanitary. The receptionist too kind, the party of victims too welcoming and not money/glory hungry enough. I think this is where digital rendering hurts the tone of the series as cel animation could create more grungier painterly aesthetics to create a bleak atmosphere. Ep 1 of Berserk being the prime example. But that shouldn't be an excuse as shows like Claymore had a dark tone that felt enhanced by its modern visuals. In terms of tje fight scenes I wasn't mad so much at the choreography as I was the way it was edited. It wasn't desperate enough and often relied on repetitive uninventive cuts that didn't sell me on itbl being a final stand for these guys (the exception being the martial arts girl being tossed around like a rag doll...that was funny). I'd say the costume designs for the two MCs are cool but thats about it. The tactics used by the GS are cool but it never let me take the consequence of his actions in and it was portrayed as a matter of fact before briskly moving on. I get thats the point considering he's brutal and efficient but the director could have just used graphic detailed stills (cribbing from Berserk again) to emphasize the gruesomeness of the fight. As far as the goblin children are concerned, I think the fact that they witnessed their entire clan being exterminated shortly after their birth just allowed me to excuse them cowering in fear as it mirrored the priestess reaction to seeing her entire party demolished. I just dob't like the fact that the director just shys away from the actual killing in favor of some perspective trick to obscure the audience's view. Did Goblin Slayer deliver what it said on the tin? Yeah, but not in any unique style that made the violence fun. And you're right in portraying that conflicting morality that moment robbed a lot of the enjoyment for me as their is no way I'm going to sympathize with natural born rapists. Again, my main gripe when I quoted you was how you used the show being edgy as a means to criticize the show. But my enjoyment in the first episode was just kinda short lived as I couldn't do a rewatch since I was too busy wishing it steered into its more edgier potential. It should have the sensibilities of a bombastic 80s OVA but it instead feels kinda seasonal meh with enough to keep my attention for the whole episode but not enough for me to be excited for the next one. I think I stretched it when I said this episode had great visuals when what I neant to say is that it looks well drawn despite it not being consistent with the tone presented. PS I also wished the music was more metal |
Somali_StrawhatOct 10, 2018 10:22 PM
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| I don't care. Where are the Goblins? |
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| Yub, so much weeb gate-keeping already, I figured we'd see this much though. OT: I think this series' potential was destroyed by its hardcore fanbase. I started reading the manga pretty early on and I kept reading mostly due to the entertainment value. GS doesn't have anything deep or revolutionary to offer, it's a simple revenge story. People started drawing parallels between it and Berserk as well as other loved classics with similar tones which made everyone's expectations reach heavens. I guess what I'm saying is try to enjoy it like any other show. Maybe then it wouldn't be so shit and you'd fine it slightly more enjoyable. |
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| I love that people are defending such obvious trash by saying it's only the first episode, as if the first episode isn't every seasonal anime's chance to put their best foot forward and get as many people engaged as possible. Some shows elect to put as much quality on display, but this one just decided to try to shock people who watch so much seasonal anime trash that they're practically begging for anything marginally interesting to happen, even if that thing is shock value violence and fanservice. I don't care that people like this show, but the people who like this show should know that it's trash that will be forgotten in a few months like every other ugly generic light novel adaptation. |
| This thread is so toxic from the people defending GS so hard as to not engage in other people's opinions, or the people who get off by using trendy buzzwords to state the obvious and feel smug and self satisfied. I get how LN fans would get stimulated reading GS considering how readers rely more on the imagery conveyed from the author's detailed text to express its visuals directly to its audiences' brains and I'd be terrified if I could see into some people's imaginations while perusing this. And to the manga's credit, the lack of colors add to a more bleak tone and the reader is allowed to take in every bit of violence for as long as they want panel by panel. It is also way more gratuitous with the violence and the artwork has a more rougher stylistic nature to it. Edgy doesn't equate shit, and violence/rape doesn't equate maturity. But to play devil's advocate I will say I'm kinda exhausted by this ranking system of adventurer's as its wildly unoriginal even outside of anime. And not every MC needs a backstory. In fact I'd say GS's tragic past feels kinda pointless to me as his stoicism and singular focus created this mystique that was immediately ruined when I found out his backstory. If it were just super graphic hyper stylized well choreographed violent episodic adventures with an eye for tactical maneuvering and absolutely no grand plot, I'd have made it a favorite. A mix between Vampire Hunter D and Clint Eastwood? How could anyone dislike that mix? Man I wished this could've been an OVA back in the 80s... But those kind of stories with a static hero with no past is constantly thrust from adventure to adventure. The story changes, but the hero doesn't. To people who claim that those kind of stories would get old I point to the longest running manga in history...Golgo 13. A story where nothing changes, the MC's backstory is never revealed l, and has been going on for DECADES sticking to its formula of fighting, firing rounds, and fucking supermodel tier prostitutes. It lives on constantly creating new problematic situations the audience knows Golgo 13 will overcome but the joy is seeing the inventive and stylized way in which only the titular character could do it. It has no depth, and rarely creates antagonists that are morally ambigous. And yet its the grand-daddy classic edge fest of manga. When people claim this episode is generic, I think they're implying that in a work that intends to be style over substance, its just a crime if that style isn't unique to capitalize on the appeal of that kind of story in the first place. But stating that the show is edgy and levying that as a point of criticism is so ridiculous because no shit, its a show meant to be edgy. |
Somali_StrawhatOct 11, 2018 7:07 AM
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| Nah it's a masterpiece |
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| lol, hater tears are delicious |
I second this. The narrative told that goblins to be such a huge problem throughout the world despite being the weakest among weakest. Yet, no one is solving the issue beside beginners. You got to be kidding me. |
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| Goblin Slayer is bad (or at least this episode was). To sum up this episode we get 'introduced' to a girl - told her name and age - who wants to be an adventurer, for some reason that they didn't bother explaining. We then get introduced to some other people who are completely uninteresting and they go on an adventure together to kill some goblins. The goblins are more dangerous than they than they thought, however, and bad things happen. We then meet Goblin Slayer and his glowing red eye as he slays some Goblins in pretty mundane ways that aren't choreographed well enough to seem more than an annoying chore for Slayer-san. He also acts like it's a chore. After he saves the day he decides to keep the main girl (whose name I can't remember and refuse to look up) as an 'apprentice' or something. For no explained reason. In summary, we know little about any characters' motivations or personalities and so I can't care when bad stuff happens, the action is sub-par and the plot is negligible. Goblin Slayer is bad (or at least this episode was). P.S. That guild receptionist knew shit was going to go down and didn't even tell them to be careful, that annoys me. A LOT.  |
DumpsterKingOct 11, 2018 2:11 AM
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