Is it possible to be deep into anime and a hyper-normie at the same time?

Why would it not be possible? I don't play tiktok, but I do normie things myself and watch anime.

By fudidocore do you mean the stereotypical interests and aesthetics of the poor and uneducated masses?

To answer your question, yes, why not? Liking animation from Japan doesn't force anyone to hate sports, clubs, pubs, trashy reality shows, etc. And some people don't even see anime as an "alternative interest" in the first place.

What I usually see is that some people when young go deep on an alternative interest and reject the rest. But then, as they mature, they stop making that their whole identity and start giving a chance to things they used to look down. Some of them decide it's really not for them and others realize they were just being condescending and start enjoying the "hyper-normie" stuff as well.

I would say that there's a bit more nuance than simply that.
But, in rough terms, yes.
If you wanna try "generalizing" the concept to any country, that definition would work, but there are many specific nuances on it being about Brazil, such as representing a sort of "erosion" of the middle-class and it's culture, a sort of a "chasm" where people will now either adopt the practices more associated with the "poor and uneducated masses" (Though let's just say that those who control such practices aren't the most poor or uneducated), which brings the vibes of a more "insular" Brazil, separated from the rest of the world and being controlled by crime-gangs and agro-business elites.
The result is that many "middle-class" people would feel that they don't belong, that there's no place for them, so they'll simply abandon anything national and just adopt American culture as their own (Back in my childhood that would've been listening to, say, Linkin Park, System of a Down and Slipknot).

That seems to be especially prevalent with autistic people.

There's a reason I specified "deep into anime" in the title.

I must assume I've never matured, then?
It's not like I am, or ever was, performing.
I just genuinely hate that stuff.

@thewiru To me it seems that the "nuance" is just a matter of scale. But if you say so.

I'd say that this is related more to Brazil's "complexo de vira-lata", the inferiority that some Brazilian people feel in relation to the rest of the world, which is something that the country has been suffering for over a century already. It would be why those people are looking into American culture instead of appreciating past national productions or any modern national production that isn't so associated with the lower classes. But again, if you say so. I don't want to get into a political discussion here.

And how that changes anything? What about watching lots of anime, including obscure series and films, means that you can't enjoy more common things? People can be complex. Unless you see hyper-normie as not liking anything outside that isn't extremely common. That if they like even one single thing that is more "alternative", then they aren't hyper-normie no matter how mainstream is the rest of their taste. In that case, it 's obviously not possible. But I thought the question was if someone can be very involved with anime and still enjoy lots of mass culture things as well.

It depends. Are you desperately holding onto a pure anime fan identity while systematically rejecting anything that doesn't fit that identity?

And if you genuinely considered it and still dislike then you fit the case "some of them decide it's really not for them" that I mentioned.

@thewiru To me it seems that the "nuance" is just a matter of scale. But if you say so.

I'd say that this is related more to Brazil's "complexo de vira-lata", the inferiority that some Brazilian people feel in relation to the rest of the world, which is something that the country has been suffering for over a century already. It would be why those people are looking into American culture instead of appreciating past national productions or any modern national production that isn't so associated with the lower classes. But again, if you say so. I don't want to get into a political discussion here.

And how that changes anything? What about watching lots of anime, including obscure series and films, means that you can't enjoy more common things? People can be complex. Unless you see hyper-normie as not liking anything outside that isn't extremely common. That if they like even one single thing that is more "alternative", then they aren't hyper-normie no matter how mainstream is the rest of their taste. In that case, it 's obviously not possible. But I thought the question was if someone can be very involved with anime and still enjoy lots of mass culture things as well.

It depends. Are you desperately holding onto a pure anime fan identity while systematically rejecting anything that doesn't fit that identity?

And if you genuinely considered it and still dislike then you fit the case "some of them decide it's really not for them" that I mentioned.

Define this, please. Otherwise your post is too vague.

@valico
Not someone "who watched something that happened to be anime".
Not someone who watched less than 20 things.
Not the ones that "watch via TikTok edits".

Just... imagine the type of people who would have a MAL, watch stuff that isn't the most popular, etc.

@thewiru Now define normie, so we can compare them

@valico

Normies are westerners who find the cultural / entertainment norms of Japan problematic.

Idols, lolis, upskirt, etc.

Thanks, I'll look more into this. It might help explain the nature of wiru's threads.

@thewiru Now define normie, so we can compare them

@valico
A normie is someone who follows "common sense", whose personality and consumption are just following trends, following what's popular of what the algorithm tells them, but only superficially (They don't wanna be nerds, right?).
If a normie plays video-games, then it's either a shooter of a sports game. They definitely aren't playing older stuff, though.
Music? Whatever the top 5 artists of Spotify are.
TV series? I guess they watch some episodes of The Office every once in a while. They might also watch ultra-popular stuff from NETFLIX or Disney+ if they have those, but they're not likely to get into fandom culture and stuff.

There are various forms of being a normie.
Your uncle is likely a normie, so are your neighbors.

I assume you want me to explain what a normie who watches anime does?
Again, there are various forms, especially depending on when and where.
Speaking specifically about nowadays, a normie might watch some ultra-popular or "close enough to western appeal" anime dubbed in some streaming service. Depending on the age they might be into some battle shounen, etc



Again, I could talk about normies all day long and I still would have more to say.
Normiedom is a spectrum.

Actually, at this point just read MinMod's tweets about normies, she's the one that radicalizes me against them nowadays...
https://x.com/search?q=from%3Aminmodulation%20normie&f=live

@valico
A normie is someone who follows "common sense", whose personality and consumption are just following trends, following what's popular of what the algorithm tells them, but only superficially (They don't wanna be nerds, right?).
If a normie plays video-games, then it's either a shooter of a sports game. They definitely aren't playing older stuff, though.
Music? Whatever the top 5 artists of Spotify are.
TV series? I guess they watch some episodes of The Office every once in a while. They might also watch ultra-popular stuff from NETFLIX or Disney+ if they have those, but they're not likely to get into fandom culture and stuff.

There are various forms of being a normie.
Your uncle is likely a normie, so are your neighbors.

I assume you want me to explain what a normie who watches anime does?
Again, there are various forms, especially depending on when and where.
Speaking specifically about nowadays, a normie might watch some ultra-popular or "close enough to western appeal" anime dubbed in some streaming service. Depending on the age they might be into some battle shounen, etc



Again, I could talk about normies all day long and I still would have more to say.
Normiedom is a spectrum.

Actually, at this point just read MinMod's tweets about normies, she's the one that radicalizes me against them nowadays...
https://x.com/search?q=from%3Aminmodulation%20normie&f=live

Thanks, I'll look more into this. It might help explain the nature of wiru's threads.

There might be some level of relation, yes, but that's not all of it.
I do remember that around the same time people also did get into older Brazilian stuff such as "Legião Urbana" besides American stuff, though a bit of it seemed somewhat performative. Cinephiles do appreciate older Brazilian cinema a lot, though.
The "any modern national production that isn't so associated with the lower classes" would be a bit difficult, though: Like I've said, there's been a process of erosion of the middle class here for maybe around two decades, at this point. So there isn't really that outside of maybe some small bubbles, mostly in big cosmopolitan capitals for certain niches, as well as small indie stuff.

It's funny that, as much as the discourses around "fudidocore" are associated with more reactionary youngster elements, in a way it is simply the adaptation of a very similar discourse from cosmopolitan women and gay people here of calling people "fubanga" (I guess that the difference would be that, instead of in their teenage years they denouncing Brazillian mass music in favor of rock/metal, they did so in favor of American pop music).
So I would say it's less of a political sentiment and more of a generational one, perhaps?

I guess it would depend on how we're defining "mass culture"?
In this very generic definition, it indeed isn't impossible, but I did have more specific images in mind.

You don't think they're playing Mario or Pokemon? We clearly have different ideas of normies.

@thewiru They could grow if they weren't systematically ignored by many among their target audience. Anything else I could say on this topic would turn political so I'll stop here.

Then you need to be specific with your questions.
But I still think that seriously watching anime, intentionally, in quantity and including truly obscure titles, does not mean you can like whatever else. Just because you like bitter, it doesn't mean you can't like sweet. It's more unlikely maybe, but some people like both extremes. And I don't even know what exactly in hyper-normie culture is the complete opposite of anime...

@Lucifrost
Again: Normiedom is a spectrum.
It also depends on age, and other factors.

Turbo-normies likely have a PC/XBOX/PlayStation, not a Nintendo console here (Might be different in other countries, but due to their steep prices, Nintendo is seen as a "rich person's" thing here)
My guess is that the richer, the less socially unequal and the more social-mobility a country has, the thinner the barrier between normies and non-normies is.

As per the doctrine of MinMod, hyper-normies won't deviate from "ball and gun games" if they're are adults, since laying something like Mario or Pokemon in their age could be seen as "weird" or perhaps even "faggy" (Again, behaviors will change depending on place, demographics, level of normiedom, etc) unless it becomes currently "socially acceptable" (See Pokemon GO, which everyone and their mothers played, but it didn't necessarily convert into normies trying the newer generations).
Basically, if it's there, floating on the surface of the water, sure, they might get it.
If it requires more than that, though?

Switch doesn't cost any more than xbox or PS over here. Handhelds used to be much cheaper, but Nintendo hasn't made one in years.


The adults playing Pokemon Go are those who played Pokemon as kids. They never stopped liking Pokemon. If Pokemon weren't a normie game, it wouldn't continue to be Nintendo's bestseller even as more and more fans complain about each new game.

@Lucifrost
Hence why "normie" is more of a relative concept that is different between places, eras, etc (e.g. Reading manga is mainstream in Japan)
You are correct, Pokemon is very high in the normie scale when it comes to games because it also brings people who aren't much into video-games.
"FIFA and COD bros" are normier than them on the scale.

I guess the "deep into" logic also applies here: The normiest never got past gen 1, normies in general who are also into gaming a bit might buy and play the newer games, but they likely won't get "deep" into it.
Again, it's a spectrum, you can keep making more and more of those things, and by doing so you become less and less of a normie.

If normie is a spectrum, and liking things is a spectrum, why exactly can't they combine in a way non mutually exclusive? Other than whatever bias you have there.

I think there is some miss correlation between consuming mass culture of other countries and hating your own. You yourself said somewhere that you consume stand up, youtube and anime, and amq. Why are you not a paradox by the same considerations?

Nah, I'd say gen 2 was as popular as 1. It wasn't until gen 3 that they stopped screening Pokemon in American theaters, to give some perspective.
Gen 3 was also when they stopped relying on an American company to run the card game, though I imagine most normies don't know that.

@thewiru So in essence. you're asking with this thread, "Is it possible to simultaneously be someone who watches anime that aren't the most popular, but also only watch the most popular anime?"

I'm sure you understand what a paradox is, right?

@thewiru So in essence. you're asking with this thread, "Is it possible to simultaneously be someone who watches anime that aren't the most popular, but also only watch the most popular anime?"

I'm sure you understand what a paradox is, right?

@valico

I don't think that's it^^

It's just another Thread/Lecture where he gets to tell you where he's from, what he's into, what his childhood was like, his brain and how all of it is pretty different and unique. That's the main thing that matters, in here.


That his why this premise, that he repeated in 20 other Threads, already, doesn't make much sense^^

@Merve2Love
Why don't you also tell us where you're from, what you're into, what your childhood was like, your three sizes, etc?
Like, this is a forum, let's share our experiences, let's talk with one another and how it relates to how we got into anime, etc

@Merve2Love
Why don't you also tell us where you're from, what you're into, what your childhood was like, your three sizes, etc?
Like, this is a forum, let's share our experiences, let's talk with one another and how it relates to how we got into anime, etc

In a way, this thread was born political, so we're both a bit late on that.
And while, yes, things could work if organized enough despite all issues, there's also an issue on the other side: People who try to "wring" this desire of people to help national stuff into giving money to their crappy projects whose entire schtick is "being Brazilian" (e.g. those two shitty Brazillian GTA clones).
This is the fault of the military dictatorship, where each work of art had to to "justify it's merit of existing" due to censorship, and nowadays a similar thing has to be done in order to gain government funding. That means that if someone wants to make, say, a surrealist sci-fi film, they might not get funding because they can't justify the "social function" of the movie. The end result is that a lot that gains funding is what we call "retratismo", usually works denouncing the poverty in the country, so people began associating that "Brazillian films = talk about poverty", since it's easier to explain the "social function" those have.

Hence why I say: There are currently lots of Brazilians making good art. The issue is that they're usually not in Brazil (They're somewhere where it's easier to get funding or has easier conditions to make their work and be successful) and you usually don't know they're Brazilian either because their art is not "retratist" (e.g. No one would guess that "Momodora" is Brazilian).

Nah normalfigs and anime don't mix.
Before they get far enough in anime for their interest to be considered deep they are complaining about all the things that "need" to be removed, the things that make anime what anime is. A deep interest in anime makes you abnormal even if a surface level interest is normal.

So what does 'normal' mean to you? Watching anime isn’t an obstacle to being normal. Someone can go about their daily life and watch anime at the same time. Also, enjoying media from different countries isn’t strange. I enjoy experiencing media from various countries. Maybe it’s just not considered normal by those around you, but I don’t think that matters.

@plebrepel so are you implying that anime is for weirdos and degenerates?

@AnimeEnjoyer2357 nobody wants to be normal anyways. Being normal is a sign of being a loser btw.