| Yes they should , i mean you are a man that's the bare minimum and what i hate about the "debate" is two things Firstly , when the man think that since he have payes he "deserves" sex in return BRO WTF , that's not a prostitute , you haven't paid to spend a good time around a meal , you have payed for sex , a plate of italian pasta is not a yes to having intimate relation bro that's pred comportment imo Secondly i dislike the fact that men acts like it makes relationship "impossible" for them because they don't have money , i mean you're not supposed to eat outside EVERYDAYS MAN and even if you dont have the money , a woman who really loves you will really not care about that (especially if you're a young adult who doesn't have a stable economical situation) and if you're with a girl that get angry at you because you can't afford it , then just leave her??? If she cares that much about your money then you aren't made to be together. It's so weird to see men being such crybabies about this and they always use the "feminist" argument , yes you're equal but that doesn't mean you have to do 50/50 for everythings What's next?She's gonna open the door for you? |
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| This may surprise you, but broke jobless chad is worshipped by women. Women value his genes high enough to pay his way. If the girl never pays anything to the guy that shows that she see the guy as an atm. Who should pay has nuance, and one who contributes nothing to finance is a suspect partner. Some men are higher value than the women. In some cases the opposite is true, but women rarely ever date down. |
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| what is this? stone age? men hunting animals in the jungle? get a job provide for yourself. fuck men. its cool to provide for yourself. wainting for men is bullshit, is weak. is a modern society. we dont hunt animals anymore. get a job go hunt the green paper. |
| i don't really know who "should", i suppose that's gonna vary from person to person/date to date but i'll always offer to pay simply because i don't care either way and i'd rather it not be a thing. or if there's a chance to do so without offering i'd just do it, but i have been on dates where they took offence to this which fair enough i guess, but idc i dunno. if you wanna pay, then pay. if you don't then don't. just do yourself a favour and dont set expectations |
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| If the man is the one who pitched the idea of a restaurant date or chose the restaurant, then yes. But if not, then the woman should pay. |
| If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece |
| my girlfriend didn't like the idea of me paying for everything and preferred to pay for things too. But her family was just...weird about gift giving and the like |
| My waifu is the most wonderful waifu. Mai Valentine. We're freaking out that we're running out of time, but to do what? Should i stop and think of that? Is there something i could do to slow it down? Live in a day for once, instead of watch it sprinting by |
PeripheralVision said: Sexual violence is a very real possibility, and so I believe men should pay for the first date in acknowledgment of the greater risk a woman is taking in meeting them. "Aww, he might brutally rape me later, so it's sweet of him to pay for my burger at least, to acknowledge my vulnerability..." More seriously, you can and should pay for someone if you feel the bill is miserable for you. And they can and should accept that, without all that stupid "pride of the poor". Otherwise you just split the bill - again, without all that "pride of the poor" and pretending to be a gentleman you aren't. Well, unless you are trying to lure her in your gentleman's van, haha. But honestly, if someone cares too much about who should pay for meals, they shouldn't even go to restaurants. They should take a broom. |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
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what is this? stone age? men hunting animals in the jungle? get a job provide for yourself. fuck men. its cool to provide for yourself. wainting for men is bullshit, is weak. is a modern society. we dont hunt animals anymore. get a job go hunt the green paper.
| @Taiyaa DO you acknowledge that i've never said that you should not provide for yourself in my post?? And a restaurant is NOT providing. |
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| For first dates I think a lot of men prefer to pay. But honestly whoever invited the other should really be the one to pay. For long term relationships, 50/50. When you're at the point you're sharing finances, who cares about whose wallet it comes from. |
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belleandoatmeal said: When you're at the point you're sharing finances... Why would you do that? Just curious. Fleur, thread idea! |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
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belleandoatmeal said:
When you're at the point you're sharing finances...
When you're at the point you're sharing finances...
Why would you do that? Just curious.
Fleur, thread idea!
| @LoveYourSmile LoveYourSmile said: Why would you do that? A lot of couples shares finances , what's the thing? |
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belleandoatmeal said:
When you're at the point you're sharing finances...
When you're at the point you're sharing finances...
Why would you do that? Just curious.
Fleur, thread idea!
| @LoveYourSmile At the point you're living together, don't most people? You have your personal funds and savings, but your utilities, rent or mortgage, and groceries are something you would typically share. I think it's pretty common to have a separate joint bank account for those things. It sounds like it would be pretty inconvenient to share those costs otherwise. |
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| Depends if they want another date or not. |
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belleandoatmeal said: You have your personal funds and savings, but your utilities, rent or mortgage, and groceries are something you would typically share. I thought you meant finances as a more broad term, not just joint account for daily use. Maybe I just have too many friends who got divorced, so shared finances is quite a hot topic in our pub, haha. |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
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This may surprise you, but broke jobless chad is worshipped by women. Women value his genes high enough to pay his way. If the girl never pays anything to the guy that shows that she see the guy as an atm. Who should pay has nuance, and one who contributes nothing to finance is a suspect partner. Some men are higher value than the women. In some cases the opposite is true, but women rarely ever date down.
| @rohan121 I know Rohan. I know too much about all these blackpills and looksmaxings things than i should |
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| This is such a weird concept. Out of the times that I've been out alone with someone of the opposite sex I've never had to pay and the question of who was going to pay never even came up. Just do what feels natural for you and the person you're with? |
| For blind dates pay for your own. For asking someone out the person asking should pay. For mutually planned dates either pay for own, split the sum, alternate, or play a game for it why not unless it was decided before hand who offered to pay. Though this gets more complicated if income is very different between the two where if one is very poor and if one has more than enough it should be clear the one with more money should pay more often or at least part of the meal of their date but that depends how close they are and their relationship dynamic. |
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Nutella71 said: And if it's a same sex couple? Whoever of the two is more "masculine"? XD /jk Whoever has the biggest dick, pays for the whole company. Gentlemen club's unspoken rule. Besides, it makes things easier for the service people. For instance, my favorite bartender girl never asks who pays or if we split the bill, she knows us all for quite a while. |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
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Nutella71 said:
And if it's a same sex couple? Whoever of the two is more "masculine"? XD /jk
And if it's a same sex couple? Whoever of the two is more "masculine"? XD /jk
Whoever has the biggest dick, pays for the whole company. Gentlemen club's unspoken rule.
Besides, it makes things easier for the service people. For instance, my favorite bartender girl never asks who pays or if we split the bill, she knows us all for quite a while.
| @LoveYourSmile But what if one is lengthier but the other girthier |
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But what if one is lengthier but the other girthier
But what if one is lengthier but the other girthier
| @traed Then the bartender girl breaks the tie, like King Solomon. I mentioned her for reason, such a devoted lady. After all, what gentleman will question the lady's judgement when it comes to bills? |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
| Yes, as a man, you should obviously pay the bill. Just because you are dating your account manager who's earning 3 times higher salary than you while you are struggling to pay your rent doesn't mean you should split the bill or well... gods forbid - let her pay for it. She needs her money for overpriced clothing and designer bags - not food or basic necessities. Those things are for men to provide. But seriously, do pay for the first date at least. Not because that's my standpoint but because there likely isn't going to be a second one if you don't. |
| @PeripheralVision I disagree with you so much that I honestly don’t even know whether to laugh or to cry. Look, this whole tradition of a man paying for a woman goes back to history and gender roles. With that gesture, the man is kind of saying: "See, I'm a decent guy, I can take care of you. Now and in the future." But you basically destroy that whole concept the moment you say it only applies on the first date. Why? Just to put on a show and then sleep with her? To bait her like a fish? I find that really strange coming from you. You either take on that old-fashioned chivalrous gender role fully and consistently, or you reject it completely. There is no middle ground here that doesn't come across as hypocritical. The part about "risks" and "gratitude" is even weirder. Bro, seriously - you brought up sexualized violence. Do you really think paying for dinner somehow lessens or compensates for that kind of risk? And what's the point of "gratitude" for just one time, when you are openly saying it won't be like that going forward? Grateful for what exactly? For showing up to the date? You are the one who asked her out: "Wanna go on a date with me?" And she is like, "Idk, maybe you are some creep or a perv." And you are like, "I'll buy you a burger." And she goes, "Oh, well in that case!" Man, that just sounds so absurd, grotesque - even, I don’t know, kind of dangerous. Like you consider it some sort of advance lol. In my world, man must be consistent at what he is doing, keep intents clear. Wanna pay for her - alright. You don't? Also alright (even though it lowers your chances due to some social expectations, it keeps things more honest which pays off in a long run imo). Just don't make it an advance (or a bribe?), especially if you can't or unwilling to keep up with what you have shown up. Ladies can consider your gesture the way they want, really - not all people in this world are "yours", that's ok. What matters is how you personally explain it to yourself, and I'm not satisfied with your explanation for many reasons. I mean, I don't even get your reasoning at all - must be some American thing, haha. |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
149597871 said: She needs her money for overpriced clothing and designer bags But can't you see, silly? She does that for you! |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
| At first/few first dates -> Yes I think a man should do that, unless a girl insists or already tells beforehand to split the bill. Now to countering parts x) 1. You know that a man can reply - "I am not a charity/sponsor chef, I don't have to pay just to feed someone." 2. A guy without money wouldn't go on a date at the first place, world ain't soft and ain't as hard as one user thinks here. Also not every dates end up in the restaurant [out of all of my dates, just around 1-5% were actually in restaurant] Now to the "High/Stoned" type of question. If the man is supposed to pay in restaurant, than whom is paying for a date of lesbians? If the man is supposed to pay in restaurant, than whom is paying for a date of gays, which one? |
| @Absurdo_N Zettaiken said: If the man is supposed to pay in restaurant, than whom is paying for a date of lesbians? The butch Zettaiken said: If the man is supposed to pay in restaurant, than whom is paying for a date of gays, which one? The seme |
*kappa* |
| Gotta love OP asking a question then immediately afterwards in the same post dismisses anyone who has a different opinion or answer as "crybabies". Don't even ask a question at that point what the fuck. |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas |
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@Absurdo_N
The butch
The seme
Zettaiken said:
If the man is supposed to pay in restaurant, than whom is paying for a date of lesbians?
If the man is supposed to pay in restaurant, than whom is paying for a date of lesbians?
The butch
Zettaiken said:
If the man is supposed to pay in restaurant, than whom is paying for a date of gays, which one?
If the man is supposed to pay in restaurant, than whom is paying for a date of gays, which one?
The seme
| @Zarutaku Zaruchan tags me just to reveal that he doesn't know that the seme of lesbians is called tachi and the lesbian uke is called neko. Masculine lesbians can also be neko Zaruchan:V Sorry;_;I don't know if "Zaruchan" sounds weird but it sounds cute to me. |
| As a womanizer I always try to pay. But many women prefer to divide it up to keep everything organized, I think that's cute. |
| Where is @aurora_yuuki to reveal her opinion;_; |
| I don’t see any good reason why anyone should automatically expect someone else to pay for their outing. |
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@Zarutaku
Zaruchan tags me just to reveal that he doesn't know that the seme of lesbians is called tachi and the lesbian uke is called neko. Masculine lesbians can also be neko Zaruchan:V
Sorry;_;I don't know if "Zaruchan" sounds weird but it sounds cute to me.
Zaruchan tags me just to reveal that he doesn't know that the seme of lesbians is called tachi and the lesbian uke is called neko. Masculine lesbians can also be neko Zaruchan:V
Sorry;_;I don't know if "Zaruchan" sounds weird but it sounds cute to me.
| @Absurdo_N I already knew, but tachi is little known compared to butch. |
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Zakatsuki_ said: Yes they should , i mean you are a man that's the bare minimum and what i hate about the "debate" is two things Firstly , when the man think that since he have payes he "deserves" sex in return BRO WTF , that's not a prostitute , you haven't paid to spend a good time around a meal , you have payed for sex , a plate of italian pasta is not a yes to having intimate relation bro that's pred comportment imo Secondly i dislike the fact that men acts like it makes relationship "impossible" for them because they don't have money , i mean you're not supposed to eat outside EVERYDAYS MAN and even if you dont have the money , a woman who really loves you will really not care about that (especially if you're a young adult who doesn't have a stable economical situation) and if you're with a girl that get angry at you because you can't afford it , then just leave her??? If she cares that much about your money then you aren't made to be together. It's so weird to see men being such crybabies about this and they always use the "feminist" argument , yes you're equal but that doesn't mean you have to do 50/50 for everythings What's next?She's gonna open the door for you? Agree to disagree i guess Granted, everyone has their own way of doing things, and that is perfectly fine, if you, as a man, want to pay every time you go on a date, if you think that as chivalry, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, do what makes you happy Me, as a woman, i prefere to contribute to such things when i can, personally i think the person who invites the other on a date should pay, man or woman, and if they organize something together there is nothing wrong with splitting the cost. I don't think things have to always be 50/50, but i also don't think it's fair to leave the finantial cost all on one person if both have the means to contribute I do agree on one of your points, throwing a hissy fit because a man can't afford the fancy dinner you want, or being a crybaby over a woman not splitting the cost with you 50/50, are absolutely pathetic behaviours |
| To me I believe whoever asks for the date should be the one paying. But if a guy were to ask me out and expected me to pay for the date and do all the heavy lifting (outside of all the money I had to spend to look beautiful on the date) , that to me shows that he's not a provider and would be good for, at best, a casual fling with little to no effort involved on my part. To me, how you treat someone during the first impression stage shows the value you put into everything you do in life. |
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Men in general should pay for the first date; subsequent dates can and should arguably be “50/50”, but every relationship is different, so your mileage may vary. Women take greater risks when it comes to dating men than men do in dating women, so men should be grateful that a woman is going out with them at all. Sexual violence is a very real possibility, and so I believe men should pay for the first date in acknowledgment of the greater risk a woman is taking in meeting them.
On top of that, men compete for women to a greater extent than women compete for men, so it makes practical sense for a man to put out more, at least initially.
On top of that, men compete for women to a greater extent than women compete for men, so it makes practical sense for a man to put out more, at least initially.
| @PeripheralVision PeripheralVision said: Men in general should pay for the first date Really? Even if it's the woman who asked tha man out on the first date? Also, no, women do not take disproportionate risk when dating men, for there to be such a disproportionate risk, most men would have to be predators, and "most" is clearly not the case, and even if it was, like @LoveYourSmile said, in what world does paying for dinner compansate for that?? There is always some risk to going out with a stranger, and while yes, it is more likely that the risk will be physical man to woman due to streangth differences, a man is not safe if the women he's dating is a narcissist or a psychopath. Even so, such risk are low, because guess what? The majority of people, men and women, are not predators, are not narcissist, are not psychopaths |
| @DigiCat I'm reading your reply here, and once again I'm amazed at how normal you are in this crazy world. I'd probably even have a Dunkles Bier with you, whether we split the bill or not, haha. |
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@DigiCat
I'm reading your reply here, and once again I'm amazed at how normal you are in this crazy world. I'd probably even have a Dunkles Bier with you, whether we split the bill or not, haha.
I'm reading your reply here, and once again I'm amazed at how normal you are in this crazy world. I'd probably even have a Dunkles Bier with you, whether we split the bill or not, haha.
@LoveYourSmile Honestly i am amazed at how normal i am too |
@DigiCat Skol! Prost! За здоровье! Kampai! |
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PeripheralVision said: vehemently Alright, you won! I didn't know the word exists in English. May I have an ice-cream, please? You pay. |
| Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. |
| Woman normally bring out make up and clothing costs, and some guys bring up fuel and traveling fares as excuses. People turning this into a money game forget the part that you go out to eat with the person for company, talk and a nice time. That goes into what place you choose to eat too. If you are dating her into a fancy restaurant she never would be able to enter without you, she is dating the restaurant and not you. |
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Fair enough, I forgot that scenario because I am almost always asking the woman out. So I think men preparing to shoulder the bill is a good rule of thumb because there are plenty of women who do expect this.
DigiCat said:
Also, no, women do not take disproportionate risk when dating men, for there to be such a disproportionate risk, most men would have to be predators, and "most" is clearly not the case, and even if it was, like @LoveYourSmile said, in what world does paying for dinner compansate for that??
Also, no, women do not take disproportionate risk when dating men, for there to be such a disproportionate risk, most men would have to be predators, and "most" is clearly not the case, and even if it was, like @LoveYourSmile said, in what world does paying for dinner compansate for that??
In general, women are not as prone to or as capable of inflicting harm on men in the same age range. As you say, men are almost always physically stronger and more prone to violence when compared to women. While it does not adequately address the risk of physical or sexual violence, I do think it is the best reasoning for why men should or could be expected pay first and be expected to put out financially. Men should shoulder more of the burden. What even is 50/50? Is it just money?
I tend to split later bills by the way. I do think this topic is sort of a hassle on its own; too many people here are still talking about this as if it were a transactional affair, and I disagree. Part of this is my fault in how I worded things. I think men more or less should, but I hate phrasing it as something men owe women or vice versa. Gratitude does not function like that.
PeripheralVision said: In general, women are not as prone to or as capable of inflicting harm on men in the same age range Excuse me but... what? Women are not as prone, not as capable of inflicting harm on men their own age? I don't think you understad that the fact that generally men and women who do cause harm go for different tactics from eachother doesn't mean that one is less damaging than the other PeripheralVision said: What even is 50/50? Is it just money? I don't know why this 50/50 thing is going around this thread, but no, there is no 50/50, at least not in the militant way people are assuming, ther is shared responsibility based on what one can provide, be it finantially, or what skills each person has, there is bills, theres is household maintenence, there is potentially child-rearing, and many other things, no one in a relationship is expected to do precisely 50/50 of each, but it is expected that overall each person takes on 50% of the workload or you may's well be a single person looking after an adult-child |
DigiCat said: it is expected that overall each person takes on 50% of the workload Unless you let your princess chill, which is also feasible if you can afford it on a whim. More importantly, if you really love, you can't do that to them, because you don't want them to be your pet, a dependent parasite. |
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Where is @aurora_yuuki to reveal her opinion;_;
| @Absurdo_N It's a no-brainer. Men should be the one to pay. Not that I've ever experienced it... |
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