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TBATE fans. With a score of 5.49, we've beaten Isekai Mom (5.55) and School Days (5.51). Now we're going toward Promised Neverland 2 (5.26)

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Apr 24, 1:34 PM
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We've beaten a lot of terrible shows so far, but we can always reach a new heights. This anime is kinda interesting as a experiment in how bad you can go with each subsequent episode.

After 15 minutes of infodump in the 1 ep mixed with CG particle effects i didn't expect powerpoint presentation in ep 2. I got powerpoint in ep 2.
After powerpoint in ep 2 i didn't expect to get terrible CGI in ep 3. I got terrible CGI in ep 3
After terrible CGI in ep 3 i didn't expect these derpy wolves in ep 4. Guess what i've got?
And i cant even imagine what future brings? MS WORD???

Jokes aside in all of seriousness does it really matter? Even before i've read the webtoon (and really liked it) i just look at the studio and the staff that will produce it and i instantly knew it was going to be terrible, maybe not THAT terrbile, but still my expectations were low. But does it really matter?

Sure, i know it kinda sounds like copium, but is there any point in this show existing besides meming it from THE BEGGING of is existence till AFTER it ENDs? Like, sure there will be some people that will like it, either because they have no eyes, dont look at it while watching, they just like the story, or are just contrarians, and it's good for them. There is maaaaaaaybe some stuff from this that might be retrieved. But, what is really the point of this show's existence?

If you're fan of webtoon/WN then you've got already good source material. During a production there weren't any signs that this would've been anything more then underbudgeted commercial?

My point is. There is no reason to be sad/mad about this show, disappointment or pity might be good emotions for it, but overall just meming from it is the best use of anyone's time regarding it. SO PEOPLE OF MAL. I HOPE WE CAN REACH THE LOWEST SCORE POSSIBLE FOR THIS SHOW... because it'd be really funny

Next milestones are:
-Promised Neverland season 2 (5.26)
-Wonder Egg Priority - special episode (5.14)

Below this there is an abyssal zone, and i don't have a submarine that can go that deep without risking of implosion.
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Apr 24, 1:41 PM
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tbh it's hard for this to go so down from here, my prediction is 5.20-5.30 at the end of this anime. But then again we can't say anything... tho weirdly enough instead of decreasing, the no. of people rating this anime as 10 is increasing lmao
Apr 24, 1:46 PM
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tbh it's hard for this to go so down from here, my prediction is 5.20-5.30 at the end of this anime. But then again we can't say anything... tho weirdly enough instead of decreasing, the no. of people rating this anime as 10 is increasing lmao
@Otaku_Agent008 This is just how always score system works on forums. Like, imagine you have a show you like, but the score is lower then you think it should be. A lot of ppl in this scenario just bump up their score, so the ratio grows up
Apr 24, 2:01 PM
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#Compass this season, with a score of 5.38, has better animation than TBATE, action scenes included
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proud of this community
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score don't matter at all cause there are always alt accounts and bots to decrease or increase the score show is good Japan loves its so Western opinion don't matter
Apr 24, 3:32 PM
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School days was gold compared to this lol. I enjoyed it very much.
Apr 24, 5:26 PM
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The MAL rating systems is broken, people can rate the entire anime, before all the episodes finish, with only watching a few episodes, or without even watching the anime at all.

Besides, most the time, anime I like have lower scores, than the anime I dislike which usually have higher scores, so I don’t even pay attention most the time.

This anime does not deserve this low rating.

I’ve been enjoying this interesting story, no complaints.

Some complaints explained to me about the fight scene animation I understood, but for the other scenes, the animation is fine for this type of story.

I’m going to keep watching it and give it a fairer rating.
ejleonApr 24, 5:35 PM
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

Apr 24, 5:50 PM
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This Series Is Lack Of Users Rating To Compare To The Other Series, The Rating Compare Is Inaccurate But The Gap Is Not Different From Each Other. I Can Keep Watch This Series As Long It Doesn't Bored Me, Doesn't Trigger Me And Keeps Me Interest Then I'm Good.

BTW, Based On The Series Mention In This Forum, School Days Is More Better For Me Also As My Fav #71, Next This Series, Then Promise Neverland S2, And Lastly Is The Mom Series My Reason Drop Due To Against My Standard, Corny, And It Is More Better To Watch Hen, Collect NSFW, And Read It's Doujin Parody XD.
Apr 24, 7:17 PM
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Nothing beats the promised Neverland season 2 in terms of shitty.
Apr 24, 7:37 PM

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can we get much lower (so lowwww)
Apr 24, 7:58 PM
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AriiTensei said:
We've beaten a lot of terrible shows so far, but we can always reach a new heights. This anime is kinda interesting as a experiment in how bad you can go with each subsequent episode.

After 15 minutes of infodump in the 1 ep mixed with CG particle effects i didn't expect powerpoint presentation in ep 2. I got powerpoint in ep 2.
After powerpoint in ep 2 i didn't expect to get terrible CGI in ep 3. I got terrible CGI in ep 3
After terrible CGI in ep 3 i didn't expect these derpy wolves in ep 4. Guess what i've got?
And i cant even imagine what future brings? MS WORD???

Jokes aside in all of seriousness does it really matter? Even before i've read the webtoon (and really liked it) i just look at the studio and the staff that will produce it and i instantly knew it was going to be terrible, maybe not THAT terrbile, but still my expectations were low. But does it really matter?

Sure, i know it kinda sounds like copium, but is there any point in this show existing besides meming it from THE BEGGING of is existence till AFTER it ENDs? Like, sure there will be some people that will like it, either because they have no eyes, dont look at it while watching, they just like the story, or are just contrarians, and it's good for them. There is maaaaaaaybe some stuff from this that might be retrieved. But, what is really the point of this show's existence?

If you're fan of webtoon/WN then you've got already good source material. During a production there weren't any signs that this would've been anything more then underbudgeted commercial?

My point is. There is no reason to be sad/mad about this show, disappointment or pity might be good emotions for it, but overall just meming from it is the best use of anyone's time regarding it. SO PEOPLE OF MAL. I HOPE WE CAN REACH THE LOWEST SCORE POSSIBLE FOR THIS SHOW... because it'd be really funny

Next milestones are:
-Promised Neverland season 2 (5.26)
-Wonder Egg Priority - special episode (5.14)

Below this there is an abyssal zone, and i don't have a submarine that can go that deep without risking of implosion.

I'm glad this came out, never woulda go put on to the source material otherwise.
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it's a solid 4.0 with ~43K ratings on crunchy right now.

it's honestly only a bunch of bitter, whiny babies review-bombing a product they really SHOULD support, if they claim to love the source material so much -- you should want more fans, no matter how you get them.

most of us who went in blind seem FINE with things so far, btw. I'm quite pleased, and I'm optimistic about them dumping more resources into later episodes. I like the way magic is animated and the music is good. unless it drops WAY off, I'll stick with it all the way
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this is the only anime on the site with a proper score. good work
Apr 24, 11:03 PM
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The MAL rating systems is broken, people can rate the entire anime, before all the episodes finish, with only watching a few episodes, or without even watching the anime at all.

Besides, most the time, anime I like have lower scores, than the anime I dislike which usually have higher scores, so I don’t even pay attention most the time.

This anime does not deserve this low rating.

I’ve been enjoying this interesting story, no complaints.

Some complaints explained to me about the fight scene animation I understood, but for the other scenes, the animation is fine for this type of story.

I’m going to keep watching it and give it a fairer rating.
@ejleon Broken? Nah. From many people submitting score, only 15k people's score registered that fit MAL hidden criteria. In all seriousness, i think it great people can score before the anime finish that way we can see the change of reception. For example Medalist it start and struggle on 7 and ends up on glorious 8, the score it truly deserves!
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it's a solid 4.0 with ~43K ratings on crunchy right now.

it's honestly only a bunch of bitter, whiny babies review-bombing a product they really SHOULD support, if they claim to love the source material so much -- you should want more fans, no matter how you get them.

most of us who went in blind seem FINE with things so far, btw. I'm quite pleased, and I'm optimistic about them dumping more resources into later episodes. I like the way magic is animated and the music is good. unless it drops WAY off, I'll stick with it all the way
@Xeneixian Score on Crunchyroll is so inflated. Even terrible anime can get more than 3 out of 5. For example, the anime "I Got a Cheat Skill in Another World and Became Unrivaled in The Real World" have 4.5 out of 5. That a freakin 9 out of 10 on this site. That rubbish.
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This Series Is Lack Of Users Rating To Compare To The Other Series, The Rating Compare Is Inaccurate But The Gap Is Not Different From Each Other. I Can Keep Watch This Series As Long It Doesn't Bored Me, Doesn't Trigger Me And Keeps Me Interest Then I'm Good.

BTW, Based On The Series Mention In This Forum, School Days Is More Better For Me Also As My Fav #71, Next This Series, Then Promise Neverland S2, And Lastly Is The Mom Series My Reason Drop Due To Against My Standard, Corny, And It Is More Better To Watch Hen, Collect NSFW, And Read It's Doujin Parody XD.
SutoratejiSensei said:
Against My Standard
There you have your reason. Just because your standard doesn't line up with majority doesn't meant the majority score is inaccurate. Many things need to be considered like number of people, how the fandom behave, etc. to meassure margin of error on massive data
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Jerry_George said:
@ejleon Broken? Nah. From many people submitting score, only 15k people's score registered that fit MAL hidden criteria. In all seriousness, i think it great people can score before the anime finish that way we can see the change of reception. For example Medalist it start and struggle on 7 and ends up on glorious 8, the score it truly deserves!

There is a per-episode rating system, for you to know how people feel with each episode, and then there is a main overall rating of the anime, these are two different ratings systems.

You should be following the per-episode rating and forum comments, to get a feel for how people think about the current episode.

But the main MAL rating should be used for how people felt after watching the entire anime.

Which means, that if you are the norm on MAL, then many people don’t have clue what they are doing.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

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Apr 24, 11:41 PM
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Jerry_George said:
@ejleon Broken? Nah. From many people submitting score, only 15k people's score registered that fit MAL hidden criteria. In all seriousness, i think it great people can score before the anime finish that way we can see the change of reception. For example Medalist it start and struggle on 7 and ends up on glorious 8, the score it truly deserves!

There is a per-episode rating system, for you to know how people feel with each episode, and then there is a main overall rating of the anime, these are two different ratings systems.

You should be following the per-episode rating and forum comments, to get a feel for how people think about the current episode.

But the main MAL rating should be used for how people felt after watching the entire anime.

Which means, that if you are the norm on MAL, then many people don’t have clue what they are doing.
@ejleon
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But the main MAL rating should be used for how people felt after watching the entire anime.
the main mal rating system is used after watching the available eps of the entire series. The main mal rating show how the series doing from 1 to latest released episode and it change overtime the episode released. That why there is someone even tracking the score change. Heck, Why there is system that ask the user witch episode the user on on the main rating system if the case is after people watching the entire anime. If you want to see the score after people watching the entire series, dont come here at all until the series finished airing.
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Hope it will break 5 barrier.
Seriously it's kinda amazing how each episode is worse than last. Well 4th one is not as bad as 3rd but still...
Apr 25, 7:16 AM
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the anime is just a 2/10 at maximum.Plot is trash and doesnt make any sense.
Apr 25, 7:24 AM
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show is fine, typical isekai power fantasy, 6/10

feel like people have complicated opinions about it bringing outside baggage or want to compare it to other shows with minimal breadth of experience

it could get better and it could get worse, like most shows 4 eps in
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@ejleon
ejleon said:
But the main MAL rating should be used for how people felt after watching the entire anime.
the main mal rating system is used after watching the available eps of the entire series. The main mal rating show how the series doing from 1 to latest released episode and it change overtime the episode released. That why there is someone even tracking the score change. Heck, Why there is system that ask the user witch episode the user on on the main rating system if the case is after people watching the entire anime. If you want to see the score after people watching the entire series, dont come here at all until the series finished airing.
@Jerry_George

Jerry_George said:
he main mal rating system is used after watching the available eps of the entire series. The main mal rating show how the series doing from 1 to latest released episode and it change overtime the episode released.


Then I disagree with how this rating system is set up to work, because anyone can rate the anime at any time, even without even watching the anime.

There has even been rumors about people making fake accounts just to unfairly use them to rate an anime lower.

Jerry_George said:
If you want to see the score after people watching the entire series, dont come here at all until the series finished airing.


Remember in my first comment, I had already said that I no longer pay attention to the main MAL rating:
- Because the main MAL rating often does not reflect the anime's actual rating
- Because most the time, anime I like are usually lower scored, while the anime I dislike are higher scored

This anime has an interesting story and is entertaining. I myself have no complaints and will keep watching. Yet it has a lower main MAL rating score and I again disagree with the current rating.

Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

Apr 25, 7:28 AM

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Hope it will break 5 barrier.
Seriously it's kinda amazing how each episode is worse than last. Well 4th one is not as bad as 3rd but still...
@WaterMage May I ask, what is "worse" in each episode? People keep criticizing the anime with this comment, but I would like to know what they are referring to.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

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I'm not watching TBATE, but even titles with such a low score can be a masterpiece, like https://myanimelist.net/anime/51265/My_Life_as_Inukai-san's_Dog
*kappa*
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Dunno why you compare this to Okaa-san Online, which is an actual peak.
Apr 25, 9:55 AM

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@WaterMage May I ask, what is "worse" in each episode? People keep criticizing the anime with this comment, but I would like to know what they are referring to.
@ejleon well first episode was decent with Arthur relationship with his parents although very rushed. But from then on its just boring and dysfunctional or just straight up bad writing. Bunch of meaning characters are dumped straight away without any effect on mc (except one). The bandit scene was just dumb how a experienced party got beaten by them and let a pregnant women a child run in the middle of a fight? 3rd one was the worst one idgaf about random horribly drawn & animated dragon and it's story which dragged on far too long and bored me to death. Well the last episode had Tessia she made it atleast watchable but still plot is very boring. If a Isekai is supposed to start it should concentrate more on character and world building on a small scale plenty of good Isekai do it that way. But suddenly starting a life death survival adventure with 4 year old kid doesn't makes the story good for me.
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Dunno why you compare this to Okaa-san Online, which is an actual peak.
@Piromysl I compared it, bcs
1. It's a boring af story for ppl with Oedipus complex and mid animation at best parts (tho still looking way better than TBATE)
2. But that above is just my opinion, the main reason why I've compared it is because it is a show i've seen that has really low MAL score. For the same reason i've mentioned Promised Neverland 2 and Wonder Egg Priority TV Special Ep, even tho they look better
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@ejleon well first episode was decent with Arthur relationship with his parents although very rushed. But from then on its just boring and dysfunctional or just straight up bad writing. Bunch of meaning characters are dumped straight away without any effect on mc (except one). The bandit scene was just dumb how a experienced party got beaten by them and let a pregnant women a child run in the middle of a fight? 3rd one was the worst one idgaf about random horribly drawn & animated dragon and it's story which dragged on far too long and bored me to death. Well the last episode had Tessia she made it atleast watchable but still plot is very boring. If a Isekai is supposed to start it should concentrate more on character and world building on a small scale plenty of good Isekai do it that way. But suddenly starting a life death survival adventure with 4 year old kid doesn't makes the story good for me.
@WaterMage Hm... interesting perspective, however, I was not thinking like that.

If you don't mind hearing my perospetie so far ...

I didn't think anything was rushed or boring.

I don't really have any complaints about the art / animation myself, it is not like solo leveling where the action / fight scenes are the main focus, it is about the story for this anime, so I understand that it doesn't need the most expensive art / animation.

The sound, music, and voice acting are well done.

I have honestly enjoyed the story.

They did enough explanation for the previous world he was in and how his former character was. They then did some basic explanation for this new world and how he was taking it all in. However, he just barely started in this new life, the main world building for this new place would come after the set up, which these episodes have been.

They have an interesting premise for the main character, the parents and him learning from them is good, the parts with their former adventure party was entertaining, him learning from them and teaching that girl his technique was fun.

If I remember correctly, the adventure party was actually was not beaten, that's what the dragon lady said, but the sure number of bandits and being flanked, understandably posed a problem for them.

The mother was not a fighter, but a healer, and she was weakened from being pregnant, having them flee, was so the father could go all out fighting with out having to worry about them too, and he knew that Arthur was not your normal 4 year old boy, he trusted that Arthur could defend and protect his mother. Also, that lone guy on the mountain was not expected, so it is not their fault.

The dragon lady part was more about what she was teaching him, than about how everything looked, so I didn't really mind.

The part with Tessia, has been ok, although I felt that it kind of dragged on more than it needed too, it took the whole episode, when it could have been half the episode.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

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@Piromysl I compared it, bcs
1. It's a boring af story for ppl with Oedipus complex and mid animation at best parts (tho still looking way better than TBATE)
2. But that above is just my opinion, the main reason why I've compared it is because it is a show i've seen that has really low MAL score. For the same reason i've mentioned Promised Neverland 2 and Wonder Egg Priority TV Special Ep, even tho they look better
@AriiTensei

With all due respect, you seem more about just visual stimulation, rather than thinking about the story and dialogue.

The art / animation are fine for this anime. This anime is more about the story and dialogue, rather than the visual aspects of fight scenes and action. It dose not need to be the most expensive and time consuming art and animation.

Also, the MAL rating is not worth even considering, it is never accurate. and I find that good shows often have lower ratings.

And saying "Oedipus complex" is completely uncalled for, there is nothing hinting that in the episodes, and it unfairly insulting people.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

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@AriiTensei

With all due respect, you seem more about just visual stimulation, rather than thinking about the story and dialogue.

The art / animation are fine for this anime. This anime is more about the story and dialogue, rather than the visual aspects of fight scenes and action. It dose not need to be the most expensive and time consuming art and animation.

Also, the MAL rating is not worth even considering, it is never accurate. and I find that good shows often have lower ratings.

And saying "Oedipus complex" is completely uncalled for, there is nothing hinting that in the episodes, and it unfairly insulting people.
@ejleon Im amazed how you are wrong in every single sentence you've wrote

I, and a lot of people complain mainly about the visuals, because they're abysmal. I dont care if you think they're good, it's your right. But one frame per 2 seconds with shaky camera and ppxt effects to stimulate movement is not "fine animation", it's just a still picture that doesnt move. And is about story and dialogue, because they can't afford animation that is about action... unlike the Manhwa.

And ok, Manhwa isn't like for example Solo Leveling, which has fights like very chapter, but it's still way more action heavy then the anime. It is still however a story heavy ACTION fantasy.

Also no, your argument that "it is not action heavy therefore = no need to have a good animation" is complete BS. The medium itself is called an ANIME from... you know... ANIMATION, the art of moving pictures. You either commit to the show looking good or you pretty much do low-budget commercial for the source material, and this show is a case of the latter. This argument is pretty much copium and i don't even want to take it seriously.

Now about MAL Rating System. The User Score system unless botted (which MAL prevents) is never wrong because it does not measure the quality of the show (which can never be objectively rated), it measures the audience reception of it and their emotions towards it. Now you may disagree with this reception, but calling system "not accurate" because you're sad that shows you like or don't have "wrong" ratings is stupid. It does not measure the quality of anything, because that's impossible.

And regarding your Oedipus Complex confusion. Learn how to read, it's not directed towards TBATE, but to Isekai Online Mom, the show that is literally about Oedipus Complex
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@WaterMage Hm... interesting perspective, however, I was not thinking like that.

If you don't mind hearing my perospetie so far ...

I didn't think anything was rushed or boring.

I don't really have any complaints about the art / animation myself, it is not like solo leveling where the action / fight scenes are the main focus, it is about the story for this anime, so I understand that it doesn't need the most expensive art / animation.

The sound, music, and voice acting are well done.

I have honestly enjoyed the story.

They did enough explanation for the previous world he was in and how his former character was. They then did some basic explanation for this new world and how he was taking it all in. However, he just barely started in this new life, the main world building for this new place would come after the set up, which these episodes have been.

They have an interesting premise for the main character, the parents and him learning from them is good, the parts with their former adventure party was entertaining, him learning from them and teaching that girl his technique was fun.

If I remember correctly, the adventure party was actually was not beaten, that's what the dragon lady said, but the sure number of bandits and being flanked, understandably posed a problem for them.

The mother was not a fighter, but a healer, and she was weakened from being pregnant, having them flee, was so the father could go all out fighting with out having to worry about them too, and he knew that Arthur was not your normal 4 year old boy, he trusted that Arthur could defend and protect his mother. Also, that lone guy on the mountain was not expected, so it is not their fault.

The dragon lady part was more about what she was teaching him, than about how everything looked, so I didn't really mind.

The part with Tessia, has been ok, although I felt that it kind of dragged on more than it needed too, it took the whole episode, when it could have been half the episode.
@ejleon well the premise is bound to be interesting when it's copied/inspired from greatest Isekai fantasy there is.

by rushed I mean development was to fast for my liking. Arthur was a broken twisted and a tyrant he suddenly thrushed into this family and he didn't give a fk at all but suddenly he became too attached with them. Compared to Rudeus who took 18 years and the worst incident of his life to truly comprehend that.

Animation I am willing to ignore as long as it is well written. For me it isn't.
Too much stuff happens way to fast too many characters and events at start. Like first episode parents, second party, third dragon, fourth Tessia. And some dragged to long without adding much.

And that bandit scene why not just stay mother and child. And fight together. Even if they said escaped very unlikely in the situation where they are surrounded what's next a 4 year old boy and pregnent women will do alone.

And voice acting I liked Arthur mother, his past Grey and Tessia performance rest was meh.

My main gripe how much this was hyped as better than Mushoku Tensie and it failed in every department in comparison. Also the toxic fanbase insulted MT so I would say good karma in a lovely adaptation they deserved.
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We can do it guys! Let's reach under 5.0. cause this anime is dogshitt 🗣️🗣️
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Is anyone surprised that the OP of this thread is a female?
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Is anyone surprised that the OP of this thread is a female?
@JoeChip Im watching JoJo rn
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@ejleon Im amazed how you are wrong in every single sentence you've wrote

I, and a lot of people complain mainly about the visuals, because they're abysmal. I dont care if you think they're good, it's your right. But one frame per 2 seconds with shaky camera and ppxt effects to stimulate movement is not "fine animation", it's just a still picture that doesnt move. And is about story and dialogue, because they can't afford animation that is about action... unlike the Manhwa.

And ok, Manhwa isn't like for example Solo Leveling, which has fights like very chapter, but it's still way more action heavy then the anime. It is still however a story heavy ACTION fantasy.

Also no, your argument that "it is not action heavy therefore = no need to have a good animation" is complete BS. The medium itself is called an ANIME from... you know... ANIMATION, the art of moving pictures. You either commit to the show looking good or you pretty much do low-budget commercial for the source material, and this show is a case of the latter. This argument is pretty much copium and i don't even want to take it seriously.

Now about MAL Rating System. The User Score system unless botted (which MAL prevents) is never wrong because it does not measure the quality of the show (which can never be objectively rated), it measures the audience reception of it and their emotions towards it. Now you may disagree with this reception, but calling system "not accurate" because you're sad that shows you like or don't have "wrong" ratings is stupid. It does not measure the quality of anything, because that's impossible.

And regarding your Oedipus Complex confusion. Learn how to read, it's not directed towards TBATE, but to Isekai Online Mom, the show that is literally about Oedipus Complex
AriiTensei said:
Isekai Online Mom


That's not even the name of the anime, you could just write the real name which is Do You Love Your Mom and Her Two-Hit Multi-Target Attacks?
or just write the popular and easier name of it, which is Okaa-san Online. But I guess that's just too much of a bother.
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@JoeChip Im watching JoJo rn
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And what's that got to do with anything?
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it's a solid 4.0 with ~43K ratings on crunchy right now.

it's honestly only a bunch of bitter, whiny babies review-bombing a product they really SHOULD support, if they claim to love the source material so much -- you should want more fans, no matter how you get them.

most of us who went in blind seem FINE with things so far, btw. I'm quite pleased, and I'm optimistic about them dumping more resources into later episodes. I like the way magic is animated and the music is good. unless it drops WAY off, I'll stick with it all the way

The Crunchyroll rating system is horrible because it is inflated to very extreme. This being a 4.0 is a prime example on that

No we are not whiny babies, we just know how badly adapted this was because we have read the source material. As a tbate fan that has caught up to the novel and Manwha I can say that this anime is probably one of the worst things I've seen since isekai smartphone.

It's so bad to the poor CGI and bad voice acting. To the downright criminal glorified slideshow presentation that they somehow thought this would be presentable to any audience is way beyond me.

I was considering supporting this anime still because of that just so more people would read the Manwha or the novel. But it's doing the exact opposite it's deterring people away from reading it. Because now all tbate is gonna be remembered by the broad anime community is that one shitty anime isekai.
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Is anyone surprised that the OP of this thread is a female?
I'm more surprised she's a himejoshi, a rare gem that shall be cherished.
*kappa*
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@ejleon Im amazed how you are wrong in every single sentence you've wrote

I, and a lot of people complain mainly about the visuals, because they're abysmal. I dont care if you think they're good, it's your right. But one frame per 2 seconds with shaky camera and ppxt effects to stimulate movement is not "fine animation", it's just a still picture that doesnt move. And is about story and dialogue, because they can't afford animation that is about action... unlike the Manhwa.

And ok, Manhwa isn't like for example Solo Leveling, which has fights like very chapter, but it's still way more action heavy then the anime. It is still however a story heavy ACTION fantasy.

Also no, your argument that "it is not action heavy therefore = no need to have a good animation" is complete BS. The medium itself is called an ANIME from... you know... ANIMATION, the art of moving pictures. You either commit to the show looking good or you pretty much do low-budget commercial for the source material, and this show is a case of the latter. This argument is pretty much copium and i don't even want to take it seriously.

Now about MAL Rating System. The User Score system unless botted (which MAL prevents) is never wrong because it does not measure the quality of the show (which can never be objectively rated), it measures the audience reception of it and their emotions towards it. Now you may disagree with this reception, but calling system "not accurate" because you're sad that shows you like or don't have "wrong" ratings is stupid. It does not measure the quality of anything, because that's impossible.

And regarding your Oedipus Complex confusion. Learn how to read, it's not directed towards TBATE, but to Isekai Online Mom, the show that is literally about Oedipus Complex
@AriiTensei

AriiTensei said:
Isekai Online Mom, the show

Oh I see, I sincerely apologize for my ignorance and for falsely accusing you.

AriiTensei said:
you are wrong

"wrong" is subjective in this case, we are expressing opinions, not debating "True & False".

AriiTensei said:
And is about story and dialogue, because they can't afford animation that is about action... unlike the Manhwa.

No, I said it was about the story and action because it is in interesting and entertain story.

AriiTensei said:
it's still way more action heavy then the anime

I don't read written material so I wouldn't know, I don't mind trusting your word.

AriiTensei said:
one frame per 2 seconds with shaky camera and ppxt effects to stimulate movement is not "fine animation"

That was like 15 seconds out of the entire anime, with like 5 still frames, and others moving.

Honestly, this is not a big deal to me, compared to the rest of the anime in the show that is fine for this story so far.

AriiTensei said:
The medium itself is called an ANIME from... you know... ANIMATION

You should watch some old anime, they didn't have the best visuals, art, animations, but they could still tell a good story with dialogue.

It sounds like you are just spoiled with new anime that have amazing animation, without realizing, that not every anime is going to be like that.

AriiTensei said:
it measures the audience reception of it and their emotions towards it.

First time I'm hearing that one, this makes more sense.

I try to be fair and honest in my judgments of anime, not governed by emotional reactions.

Then I would honestly say that I completely disagree with most audience reactions to anime, but that is the same with movies, music, art, so no different than usual.
ejleonApr 25, 12:42 PM
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

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@AriiTensei

AriiTensei said:
Isekai Online Mom, the show

Oh I see, I sincerely apologize for my ignorance and for falsely accusing you.

AriiTensei said:
you are wrong

"wrong" is subjective in this case, we are expressing opinions, not debating "True & False".

AriiTensei said:
And is about story and dialogue, because they can't afford animation that is about action... unlike the Manhwa.

No, I said it was about the story and action because it is in interesting and entertain story.

AriiTensei said:
it's still way more action heavy then the anime

I don't read written material so I wouldn't know, I don't mind trusting your word.

AriiTensei said:
one frame per 2 seconds with shaky camera and ppxt effects to stimulate movement is not "fine animation"

That was like 15 seconds out of the entire anime, with like 5 still frames, and others moving.

Honestly, this is not a big deal to me, compared to the rest of the anime in the show that is fine for this story so far.

AriiTensei said:
The medium itself is called an ANIME from... you know... ANIMATION

You should watch some old anime, they didn't have the best visuals, art, animations, but they could still tell a good story with dialogue.

It sounds like you are just spoiled with new anime that have amazing animation, without realizing, that not every anime is going to be like that.

AriiTensei said:
it measures the audience reception of it and their emotions towards it.

First time I'm hearing that one, this makes more sense.

I try to be fair and honest in my judgments of anime, not governed by emotional reactions.

Then I would honestly say that I completely disagree with most audience reactions to anime, but that is the same with movies, music, art, so no different than usual.
@ejleon
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That was like 15 seconds out of the entire anime, with like 5 still frames, and others moving.

Honestly, this is not a big deal to me, compared to the rest of the anime in the show that is fine for this story so far.

No, it's not just 15 seconds every action scene this anime tried to make so far. Still shots are fine some times (even tho i dont like how the show looks in general, but that's just my preference, since i don't like this style), but anytime it tries to give any sort of movement to a character it really look horrible. I don't know if it's true since i didn't bother to verify it, but i've read somewhere that this studio doesn't have any 2D keyframe animators and it would explain A LOT.

ejleon said:
You should watch some old anime, they didn't have the best visuals, art, animations, but they could still tell a good story with dialogue.

It sounds like you are just spoiled with new anime that have amazing animation, without realizing, that not every anime is going to be like that.

No, im not spoiled by JJK/Demon Slayer/Solo Leveling etc. I've watched old anime that looked bad, I've watched old anime that looked good. The same with new anime. Im not saying that everything needs a huge budget to look good, since they're plenty of shows nowadays that look at least decent, even despite the lack of money and resources.

But at the same time even when i enjoy a show i can admit that it looks terrible, and TBATE looks terrible at the technical level from every angle i look at it, maybe with the exception of music.

And there is nothing wrong with liking shows that look bad, but a lot of time when this happens I just go for the source material instead, because i'd rather read it than watch a low budget commercial
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@AriiTensei

AriiTensei said:
Isekai Online Mom, the show

Oh I see, I sincerely apologize for my ignorance and for falsely accusing you.

AriiTensei said:
you are wrong

"wrong" is subjective in this case, we are expressing opinions, not debating "True & False".

AriiTensei said:
And is about story and dialogue, because they can't afford animation that is about action... unlike the Manhwa.

No, I said it was about the story and action because it is in interesting and entertain story.

AriiTensei said:
it's still way more action heavy then the anime

I don't read written material so I wouldn't know, I don't mind trusting your word.

AriiTensei said:
one frame per 2 seconds with shaky camera and ppxt effects to stimulate movement is not "fine animation"

That was like 15 seconds out of the entire anime, with like 5 still frames, and others moving.

Honestly, this is not a big deal to me, compared to the rest of the anime in the show that is fine for this story so far.

AriiTensei said:
The medium itself is called an ANIME from... you know... ANIMATION

You should watch some old anime, they didn't have the best visuals, art, animations, but they could still tell a good story with dialogue.

It sounds like you are just spoiled with new anime that have amazing animation, without realizing, that not every anime is going to be like that.

AriiTensei said:
it measures the audience reception of it and their emotions towards it.

First time I'm hearing that one, this makes more sense.

I try to be fair and honest in my judgments of anime, not governed by emotional reactions.

Then I would honestly say that I completely disagree with most audience reactions to anime, but that is the same with movies, music, art, so no different than usual.
ejleon said:
ou should watch some old anime, they didn't have the best visuals, art, animations,


A lot of "old anime" actually has better art/animation than new ones, not always "new is better".
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ejleon said:
ou should watch some old anime, they didn't have the best visuals, art, animations,


A lot of "old anime" actually has better art/animation than new ones, not always "new is better".
@JoeChip Good point, I do agree you, there were old anime with amazing animation, but still there are others that were not like that. Really my point is that people complaining today about bad animation, really don't know how spoiled they are with the progress of animation since the passed. And complaining about a 15 second section of a 23 minute anime, sees over the top, especially when what was shown was fine to let us know what was happening.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

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@ejleon
ejleon said:
That was like 15 seconds out of the entire anime, with like 5 still frames, and others moving.

Honestly, this is not a big deal to me, compared to the rest of the anime in the show that is fine for this story so far.

No, it's not just 15 seconds every action scene this anime tried to make so far. Still shots are fine some times (even tho i dont like how the show looks in general, but that's just my preference, since i don't like this style), but anytime it tries to give any sort of movement to a character it really look horrible. I don't know if it's true since i didn't bother to verify it, but i've read somewhere that this studio doesn't have any 2D keyframe animators and it would explain A LOT.

ejleon said:
You should watch some old anime, they didn't have the best visuals, art, animations, but they could still tell a good story with dialogue.

It sounds like you are just spoiled with new anime that have amazing animation, without realizing, that not every anime is going to be like that.

No, im not spoiled by JJK/Demon Slayer/Solo Leveling etc. I've watched old anime that looked bad, I've watched old anime that looked good. The same with new anime. Im not saying that everything needs a huge budget to look good, since they're plenty of shows nowadays that look at least decent, even despite the lack of money and resources.

But at the same time even when i enjoy a show i can admit that it looks terrible, and TBATE looks terrible at the technical level from every angle i look at it, maybe with the exception of music.

And there is nothing wrong with liking shows that look bad, but a lot of time when this happens I just go for the source material instead, because i'd rather read it than watch a low budget commercial
@AriiTensei

AriiTensei said:
anytime it tries to give any sort of movement to a character it really look horrible


Perhaps I wasn't really noticing, because I was thinking it was unnecessary to do more than what they showed to convey what needed to be shown.

In other words, I saw it and said "it's fine", and you saw it and said "it could be better", so my starting point is not the same.

AriiTensei said:
this studio doesn't have any 2D keyframe animators and it would explain A LOT.


Yeah, I understand more, if they lack the kind of animators that are needed for this project.

I can agree with what you said on the bottom.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

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tbate is ass but itll never be as ass as tpn s2. like nothing comes close to how badly they fucked that up
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The MAL rating systems is broken, people can rate the entire anime, before all the episodes finish, with only watching a few episodes, or without even watching the anime at all.

Besides, most the time, anime I like have lower scores, than the anime I dislike which usually have higher scores, so I don’t even pay attention most the time.

This anime does not deserve this low rating.

I’ve been enjoying this interesting story, no complaints.

Some complaints explained to me about the fight scene animation I understood, but for the other scenes, the animation is fine for this type of story.

I’m going to keep watching it and give it a fairer rating.
@ejleon the only fair rating this anime deserves is a 2/10, saying it doesn't deserve all the failure it's having is the biggest bullshit I've ever read, but on the other hand you like everything so you don't count
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@ejleon the only fair rating this anime deserves is a 2/10, saying it doesn't deserve all the failure it's having is the biggest bullshit I've ever read, but on the other hand you like everything so you don't count

Thanks for sharing, but like always, we are on opposite sides. Good day.
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

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Lmao there won't be ever enough popcorn for watching you guys getting heated on this thread, such a treat

Anyway I hope TBATE score will sink even further, let it burn in the flames it deserves
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the anime is just a 2/10 at maximum.Plot is trash and doesnt make any sense.
@Lazzx ok. I can somewhat agree with animation. It's not trash, but it's not ok too. But why can't u just think like this is an old anime with old animation. Many people still enjoy dragon ball though it has old shit animation. If you don't want to think like that, it's up to u. But wtf are u saying later. Kid, I seriously got angry here. Plot,u talking about plot and story and senses. It's actually better than mushoko tensei, in my opinion (I have read the manhwa) and also main reason I like this is bcz our MC is not trash and looser personality like Rudy, which is truth, u can't deny it(many fans of mushoko tensei like it bcz they relate with that trash personality of Rudy, as I have asked many fans. U may not agree, but truth doesn't change by ur acceptance). Later plot will be really good if u have brain of human, not that of sheep in herd. I do agree that animation may have downgraded the intensity of action and all as I didn't watched it, but mushoko tensei fans will definitely think this is another copy and immediately rate it 1 like crazy. Also the fact it is actually not japanese may, may and may affect the reaction of majority.
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