ugly character designs or simple character designs to speed up drawing and production?

How do you know that drawing this design is easier and faster than drawing a default design?

Animators are most experienced in drawing default designs, so drawing a non-standard design might be more difficult and slower.

Wait people think the design is bad? Except for the eyes the simplistic style looks unique and fun

@Guilmon1 ye i can already see some complains on social media about how bad it looks and they should have gone with the manga artstyle instead

@Zarutaku look at how simple it is though? or any other studio 4c movie like mind game and tekkonkinkreet do you think those are harder to draw?

@deg Most animators aren't used to draw stuff like that, so it might take them more effort.

@Zarutaku do you have any evidence for this since most animators are freelancers so they draw different artstyles or character designs a lot

@deg Just a reasonable conclusion, because most anime have a standard character style/design, so most animators are used to that standard.

@Zarutaku the standard character design you think of maybe not easy to draw though with how many standard looking anime today especially isekai ones have hard time animating and drawing with onmodel characters

@deg Probably not easy, but they are used to it, and experience increases performance, whereas lack of experience usually causes difficulties.

I would doubt that 4C's creative changes are because of "ease" and moreso that the Light Novel's original aesthetic is both dated and has less room for expression in the way 4C prefers.

@perseii

berserk is standard character design
dandadan is standard character design

do you think those are easy to draw when making consistent onmodel character drawings unlike the other anime you mention here?

@deg I didn't say "standard designs" are easy to draw. I only said that (what you call) "simple" designs may not be easy to draw.

There can be a "predictable" kind of challenge, like keeping a "standard design" on model, that animators are more used to dealing with. Working with an unfamiliar design would be another "unusual" kind of challenge that animators would have to get used to and get good at.

At least that's how I picture things anyway. It's all moot when I have zero actual experience animating.

@perseii did you have experience drawing at least? i know for a fact that keeping characters onmodel on every frame can be hard so if a character design is more forgiving of offmodel drawings then that is more easy to make

trigger, studio 4c, and science saru pre dandadan is known for making offmodel character drawings not that noticeable

meanwhile your standard character designs are so common on isekai anime you see a lot of offmodel drawings right?

@deg Again, I did not say "standard designs" are easy. I understand staying on-model is a pain in the butt and takes a ton of experience and finesse. Which the majority of animators have painstakingly developed over years/decades.

You have a point that "unusual designs" often choose to be more loose with models "breaking," though. So maybe the audience's expectations for staying on model are lowered when they encounter this kind of art style, and the animators will be able to work faster in that sense. They still need to keep some standards to keep the characters appear like the same characters...

@perseii well at least we got an agreement now

anyway kanada school of animation is known for offmodel pose by pose drawings and trigger with imaishi does it so well for example so if you need a real concept or term to google about what im saying then there is that

there is also the webgen style of animation this days that is even more distorted offmodel drawings but with fluid animation

@deg Thanks, will keep those names in mind.

I just get annoyed when I see the Trigger/Science SARU styles characterized as "unpolished," "easy," or "inferior."

People can choose to dislike it and call it ugly, sure. But there's obviously know-how, discipline and vision in their styles. And from the shows/clips I've seen, I rarely thought these animation choices were the result of incompetence or failure; the characters still "look like" those characters and still look great.

Wait people think the design is bad? Except for the eyes the simplistic style looks unique and fun

Why do people think simple = bad? These are creative, expressive designs that feel very original and fresh. Reminds me of a lot of cool European sci-fi and I am quite excited for a new anime film breaking away from the expected aesthetics of the medium.

@Killjoy_Kora That's a simplification of ppl's actual issues. It's jus visually nothin like the other versions of this universe which disappoints many. It's also most def not "unique" or "break away from expected aesthetics." This style has been around for yrs & is a staple of this studio.

Wait people think the design is bad? Except for the eyes the simplistic style looks unique and fun

Yeah I hate them, I hate to see how one of my favorite mangas of all time, that looks beautiful with the amazing art in the manga, received this dogshit type of artstyle, it's like spitting in my face so fuck this and fuck the studio for this.

I won't be watching this ugly shit.

@Guilmon1 It's not that ppl think it looks "bad". It's that it doesn't look anythin like the other 3 versions of this universe(LN, Manga, Hollywood movie) in almost any way which is disappointin to many longtime fans includin me.

@NightlyData And nobody else is doing anything like that. All You Need is Kill's original artstyle is pretty standard stuff for gritty sci-fi in the early 2000s, and while I think it looks cool, it's just not something anyone these days has any interest in doing. Studio 4C's style is brilliant and I'm excited to see them tackle a mecha project even if it's a weird adaptational choice.

But also the way people have been talking about this so far seems to be coming from a simple = bad perspective which is just obnoxious on the face of it.

Oh no, it doesn't look unique and complex like every other anime around

why u always complaining ab everything? ur the new okeanix

Most of you definitely haven't heard about artistic vision or artistic direction. Not everything is a business decision.

Also, the novel and the manga aren't disappearing. Someone took the source material and is trying to make something of their own with it - that's cool as hell! Transformative adaptations are something that should be embraced a lot more, anime is a medium with lots of possibilities and its creators aren't given enough opportunities nowadays. So instead of shitting on someone's approach before you even get a chance to experience it, why not give it a damn chance?

As an artist myself, reading this thread makes me realize that most so-called anime fans, don't really have a sense of aesthetics, nor an understanding of the art of anime/manga.
And that's probably why we get a lot of generic moe art style shows getting so popular while a genius like Takehiko Inoue is not that popular/recognized.

It reminds of people complaining about One Piece Fan Letter art style, saying it doesn't look like manga/anime/japanese. As if there was a unique manga art style...