| This is a very touchy subject on here, so I'm going to do it nice and carefully and break it into sections. Plot The plot is the definite best part of the show. It starts really strong. Makise Kurisu is dead, and Okabe has a time machine. After that it becomes a slice of life / almost harem with time traveling text messages mixed in. It becomes a show where Okabe takes requests from several attractive females, it's pretty much a harem at that point. It's very relevant to the story however, as this is a necessary part of the story, and is the cause of the problem in the first place. Episode 12 is where things kick off. We see the payoff of sitting through 10 filler but not really filler episodes. This episode sets the tone for the rest of the series. It becomes a faux-groundhog day scenario. Mayuri dies, he always loses. This isn't the interesting part. We know Mayuri is going to die every time. The interesting part here is Okabe. We slowly see his mind degrade and have an impact on the things he does. An interesting thing that they cut from the anime was that in the VN he considers raping Suzuha because he would just time loop back anyway. The plot gets consistently better until he finally realizes how to keep Mayuri alive. Here's where the show crashes and burns. It actually becomes a harem. Some of the characters get their own lovey-dovey side episode with Okabe. Why? It's necessary for the anime, but they could have not made them all in love with Okabe. On to the final arc, this is the climax. We see everything the show has led up to. We find out who Suzuha is, and why she's there. Okabe realizes that nothing of this will ever happen and decides to go along with it anyway. Okabe shows his undying devotion to a girl he barely knows and decides to almost die because of her. He wins in the end. Characters The weak point of the show. Okabe - Okabe is a good character. He really develops throughout the series. I explained a bit in the plot section so I won't go too deep into it. Kurisu - A very flat character. She has 4 traits : Tsundere, daddy issues, likes science, and is from America. She doesn't develop throughout the series, and ultimately only warms up to Okabe, and that's it. Mayuri - What character? She's Okabe's childhood friend and a plot device Feyris and Ruka - These can be grouped together. They are both there to fill space and make things harder for Okabe. That's their only reason to exist. Moeka - Serves an actual purpose. Goes to show Okabe that not everyone is nice and people will take advantage of you and what you can provide for their own purposes. She's the second best character in the show. Suzuha - Another good character. She's a rebel from the future, and comes back to save her world. She's there to assist Okabe in his mission, and isn't explored much as a character. Final thoughts The show is good. It's really good. However, it shouldn't be regarded as a masterpiece, and really only get's an 8/10 from me. It has a great story at times, but it's inconsistent, has flat characters, and is very very clearly based off of a VN and has harem elements. |
| Didn't read. Steins gate is 10/10 |
| This is the problem with hardcore fans, when it comes to someone giving a genuine good criticism and breakdown they just go “not reading all that you’re wrong” and don’t even bother giving a good counter argument. It’s really damn immature. This is coming from someone who rated it a 10/10 and consider it one of my favourite anime ever |
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| True, it's even better than MAL says. |
ZarutakuDec 14, 9:37 AM
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| Thank you for your detailed rhetorics, you'd make a great politician. SpritezUp said: This is the problem with hardcore fans, when it comes to someone giving a genuine good criticism and breakdown they just go “not reading all that you’re wrong” and don’t even bother giving a good counter argument. It’s really damn immature. This is coming from someone who rated it a 10/10 and consider it one of my favourite anime eve The arguments the OP gave were not arguments, they were rhetorical nonsense that is so subjective it can't even be considered valid. Good criticism would be to criticize specific aspects of a show and not general ideas about the plot and characters. Stuff like "having harem elements" as the OP puts it are simple preferences, you can't possibly acknowledge preferences as arguments. |
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SimplyBrazen said: Thank you for your detailed rhetorics, you'd make a great politician. SpritezUp said: This is the problem with hardcore fans, when it comes to someone giving a genuine good criticism and breakdown they just go “not reading all that you’re wrong” and don’t even bother giving a good counter argument. It’s really damn immature. This is coming from someone who rated it a 10/10 and consider it one of my favourite anime eve The arguments the OP gave were not arguments, they were rhetorical nonsense that is so subjective it can't even be considered valid. Good criticism would be to criticize specific aspects of a show and not general ideas about the plot and characters. Stuff like "having harem elements" as the OP puts it are simple preferences, you can't possibly acknowledge preferences as arguments. It absolutely is valid, what op stated is their opinion. The whole point of a discussion is to have different opinions clashing and to discuss each one. Everything regarding one’s opinion towards a show will almost always be subjective, what one likes another won’t. Expecting them to only point out objectively wrong things is just stupid. OP points out that the weakest point of the shows is its characters and then goes on to break down each relevant character to the plot and why they think so. THAT’S a good form of criticism. Just because you may not agree with what they say doesn’t make it any less invalid. |
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SpritezUp said: SimplyBrazen said: Thank you for your detailed rhetorics, you'd make a great politician. The arguments the OP gave were not arguments, they were rhetorical nonsense that is so subjective it can't even be considered valid. Good criticism would be to criticize specific aspects of a show and not general ideas about the plot and characters. Stuff like "having harem elements" as the OP puts it are simple preferences, you can't possibly acknowledge preferences as arguments. It absolutely is valid, what op stated is their opinion. The whole point of a discussion is to have different opinions clashing and to discuss each one. Everything regarding one’s opinion towards a show will almost always be subjective, what one likes another won’t. Expecting them to only point out objectively wrong things is just stupid. OP points out that the weakest point of the shows is its characters and then goes on to break down each relevant character to the plot and why they think so. THAT’S a good form of criticism. Just because you may not agree with what they say doesn’t make it any less invalid. Your logic invalidates this thread even more. If everything is subjective then there's no discussion to be had here, since those who disagree with the OP are also only stating a subjective opinion. Therefore everything written in the OP should be instead written as a review for the anime. |
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| Congratulations you’re learning the whole point of a discussion, it’s OPINION vs OPINION. When it comes to discussing a damn show then yeah it prolly is pointless objectively, but it’s fun to argue your side against others and get a proper argument back. Thats my whole point with my original comment. Rather than coming back with a proper argument to the OP, they simply replied “not reading show’s 10/10” which is just a stupid brainless response. |
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SimplyBrazen said: SpritezUp said: It absolutely is valid, what op stated is their opinion. The whole point of a discussion is to have different opinions clashing and to discuss each one. Everything regarding one’s opinion towards a show will almost always be subjective, what one likes another won’t. Expecting them to only point out objectively wrong things is just stupid. OP points out that the weakest point of the shows is its characters and then goes on to break down each relevant character to the plot and why they think so. THAT’S a good form of criticism. Just because you may not agree with what they say doesn’t make it any less invalid. Your logic invalidates this thread even more. If everything is subjective then there's no discussion to be had here, since those who disagree with the OP are also only stating a subjective opinion. Therefore everything written in the OP should be instead written as a review for the anime. Sorry I must have missed the quote button lmao |
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| OP's TL;DR: Slice of Life is bad! Harem is bad! Anything with such elements is bad! VN adaptation can't be good! These are just plain subjective preferences that can't be used as an argument or criticism. Now, S;G is indeed weak on characters. Okabe is the most well developed character and Mayuri the least. This is where I think Steins;Gate 0 did the work. It added more dimensions in every character, including the new ones. Steins;Gate is praised for its overall story and character in the handful of 24 episodes. It's compact and well-rounded, conceptually consistent and self-aware. Of course it has down sides as it never was a complete adaptation of the VN. |
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SpritezUp said: Congratulations you’re learning the whole point of a discussion, it’s OPINION vs OPINION. When it comes to discussing a damn show then yeah it prolly is pointless objectively, but it’s fun to argue your side against others and get a proper argument back. Thats my whole point with my original comment. Rather than coming back with a proper argument to the OP, they simply replied “not reading show’s 10/10” which is just a stupid brainless response. In a fruitful discussion everyone is willing to listen and have a counterargument. When no one's willing to listen then there's no point. Again, this would be better as a review, not a thread. |
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| I totally agree with you steins gate is absolute peak fiction!! |
Fighting_Spirit said: This is a very touchy subject on here, so I'm going to do it nice and carefully and break it into sections. Plot The plot is the definite best part of the show. It starts really strong. Makise Kurisu is dead, and Okabe has a time machine. After that it becomes a slice of life / almost harem with time traveling text messages mixed in. It becomes a show where Okabe takes requests from several attractive females, it's pretty much a harem at that point. It's very relevant to the story however, as this is a necessary part of the story, and is the cause of the problem in the first place. Episode 12 is where things kick off. We see the payoff of sitting through 10 filler but not really filler episodes. This episode sets the tone for the rest of the series. It becomes a faux-groundhog day scenario. Mayuri dies, he always loses. This isn't the interesting part. We know Mayuri is going to die every time. The interesting part here is Okabe. We slowly see his mind degrade and have an impact on the things he does. An interesting thing that they cut from the anime was that in the VN he considers raping Suzuha because he would just time loop back anyway. The plot gets consistently better until he finally realizes how to keep Mayuri alive. Here's where the show crashes and burns. It actually becomes a harem. Some of the characters get their own lovey-dovey side episode with Okabe. Why? It's necessary for the anime, but they could have not made them all in love with Okabe. On to the final arc, this is the climax. We see everything the show has led up to. We find out who Suzuha is, and why she's there. Okabe realizes that nothing of this will ever happen and decides to go along with it anyway. Okabe shows his undying devotion to a girl he barely knows and decides to almost die because of her. He wins in the end. Characters The weak point of the show. Okabe - Okabe is a good character. He really develops throughout the series. I explained a bit in the plot section so I won't go too deep into it. Kurisu - A very flat character. She has 4 traits : Tsundere, daddy issues, likes science, and is from America. She doesn't develop throughout the series, and ultimately only warms up to Okabe, and that's it. Mayuri - What character? She's Okabe's childhood friend and a plot device Feyris and Ruka - These can be grouped together. They are both there to fill space and make things harder for Okabe. That's their only reason to exist. Moeka - Serves an actual purpose. Goes to show Okabe that not everyone is nice and people will take advantage of you and what you can provide for their own purposes. She's the second best character in the show. Suzuha - Another good character. She's a rebel from the future, and comes back to save her world. She's there to assist Okabe in his mission, and isn't explored much as a character. Final thoughts The show is good. It's really good. However, it shouldn't be regarded as a masterpiece, and really only get's an 8/10 from me. It has a great story at times, but it's inconsistent, has flat characters, and is very very clearly based off of a VN and has harem elements. You're lucky that most of the Steins;Gate fans here are good listener and least toxic in the community. |
ANIk_003 said: Fighting_Spirit said: This is a very touchy subject on here, so I'm going to do it nice and carefully and break it into sections. Plot The plot is the definite best part of the show. It starts really strong. Makise Kurisu is dead, and Okabe has a time machine. After that it becomes a slice of life / almost harem with time traveling text messages mixed in. It becomes a show where Okabe takes requests from several attractive females, it's pretty much a harem at that point. It's very relevant to the story however, as this is a necessary part of the story, and is the cause of the problem in the first place. Episode 12 is where things kick off. We see the payoff of sitting through 10 filler but not really filler episodes. This episode sets the tone for the rest of the series. It becomes a faux-groundhog day scenario. Mayuri dies, he always loses. This isn't the interesting part. We know Mayuri is going to die every time. The interesting part here is Okabe. We slowly see his mind degrade and have an impact on the things he does. An interesting thing that they cut from the anime was that in the VN he considers raping Suzuha because he would just time loop back anyway. The plot gets consistently better until he finally realizes how to keep Mayuri alive. Here's where the show crashes and burns. It actually becomes a harem. Some of the characters get their own lovey-dovey side episode with Okabe. Why? It's necessary for the anime, but they could have not made them all in love with Okabe. On to the final arc, this is the climax. We see everything the show has led up to. We find out who Suzuha is, and why she's there. Okabe realizes that nothing of this will ever happen and decides to go along with it anyway. Okabe shows his undying devotion to a girl he barely knows and decides to almost die because of her. He wins in the end. Characters The weak point of the show. Okabe - Okabe is a good character. He really develops throughout the series. I explained a bit in the plot section so I won't go too deep into it. Kurisu - A very flat character. She has 4 traits : Tsundere, daddy issues, likes science, and is from America. She doesn't develop throughout the series, and ultimately only warms up to Okabe, and that's it. Mayuri - What character? She's Okabe's childhood friend and a plot device Feyris and Ruka - These can be grouped together. They are both there to fill space and make things harder for Okabe. That's their only reason to exist. Moeka - Serves an actual purpose. Goes to show Okabe that not everyone is nice and people will take advantage of you and what you can provide for their own purposes. She's the second best character in the show. Suzuha - Another good character. She's a rebel from the future, and comes back to save her world. She's there to assist Okabe in his mission, and isn't explored much as a character. Final thoughts The show is good. It's really good. However, it shouldn't be regarded as a masterpiece, and really only get's an 8/10 from me. It has a great story at times, but it's inconsistent, has flat characters, and is very very clearly based off of a VN and has harem elements. You're lucky that most of the Steins;Gate fans here are good listener and least toxic in the community. And Steins;Gate is a masterpiece. Nothing more to say. Very few comes close to it. |
SimplyBrazen said: SpritezUp said: Congratulations you’re learning the whole point of a discussion, it’s OPINION vs OPINION. When it comes to discussing a damn show then yeah it prolly is pointless objectively, but it’s fun to argue your side against others and get a proper argument back. Thats my whole point with my original comment. Rather than coming back with a proper argument to the OP, they simply replied “not reading show’s 10/10” which is just a stupid brainless response. In a fruitful discussion everyone is willing to listen and have a counterargument. When no one's willing to listen then there's no point. Again, this would be better as a review, not a thread. I totally agree with this, i just don’t think the blame should fall on the op but those not even giving their point a chance you know what i mean? |
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| steins gate and re zero aren't as good as Mal says they are, they're better |
either you fk up some watch order or you have no patience and drop it or just didn't understand anything, else no way someone finish Steins;Gate and tell with a straight face it's not good |
| I disagree with your accusations that the characters are flat outside of kurisu (who is as 2D as they get) however she doesn't need much depth as it's her chemistry with okabe that warrants her existence. The rest of the cast are far more nuisanced, and you can tell on rewatch just how internally broken they are, until the stiens gate timeline is reached. Outside of that pretty good breakdown! |
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| I will never understand how you guys boil down the nuance of a piece of media into a number rating that says whether it's good or not |
| Okay you liked it as much as most people do. Save that dissertation for Reviews. |
  ๐ฎ๐๐๐๐๐พ๐๐๐, ๐๐๐ ๐ธ๐ถ๐'๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ป๐๐๐๐ถ๐๐น ๐๐พ๐๐ฝ๐๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐พ๐๐ ๐๐ฝ๐ ๐น๐๐๐ ๐ท๐๐ฝ๐พ๐๐น ๐๐๐. - ๐
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Reigetseu said: either you fk up some watch order or you have no patience and drop it or just didn't understand anything, else no way someone finish Steins;Gate and tell with a straight face it's not good Bro said Kurisu has daddy issues๐ญ that's funny af he onto nothing |
| I would have liked it more if the time travel made more sense (like, a microwave? really?). For a vn anime it’s pretty good tho |
| Dividing an anime up into parts, giving each a score, and then using some imaginary formula to calculate an overall rating, is dumb. People like anime because of the way it makes them feel. It's art. You don't judge paintings like that, so you shouldn't judge anime that way either. Stein's Gate is a masterpiece because of its effect on people. A story that's "academically" perfect, but doesn't have a strong emotional impact, isn't worth anything. |
| Steins;Gate is the pinnacle of anime. If you think differently, it's painfully clear you lack the refined taste and intellectual depth to appreciate true brilliance. The intricacies of its plot, the depth of its characters, and the masterful storytelling are far beyond your limited comprehension. It's not just an anime; it's a work of art that sets the standard for the entire medium. Dismissing it only highlights your ignorance and inability to recognize what makes anime truly exceptional. While I immerse myself in thought-provoking masterpieces, you're obsessing over finding flaws in brilliance, like a pseudo-intellectual desperately clinging to mediocre drivel. It's almost pitiable how you try to mask your lack of understanding with baseless critiques. Keep trying to sound smart while I enjoy the true heights of anime excellence. |
๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ ๐ผ๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ต๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ถ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ธ๐ฌ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ ๐๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ท ๐๐ธ๐พ ๐ฌ๐ช๐ท ๐ผ๐ฝ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ซ๐ป๐ฒ๐ต๐ต๐ฒ๐ช๐ท๐ฌ๐ฎ? ๐๐ผ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐น๐ป๐ฎ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ป ๐ช๐ท๐ฒ๐ถ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐ช๐ท๐ญ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ท๐ญ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ท๐ญ ๐๐ฝ๐ฎ๐ป๐ท๐ช๐ต ๐ ๐พ๐ฎ๐ผ๐ฝ, ๐ ๐ซ๐ป๐ฒ๐ท๐ฐ ๐พ๐ท๐ถ๐ช๐ฝ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐น๐ป๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฒ๐ธ๐ท ๐ช๐ท๐ญ ๐ฒ๐ท๐ผ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฝ ๐ฝ๐ธ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ป๐ ๐ป๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐. ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ช๐ฝ๐ฎ ๐๐ธ๐พ๐ป ๐ฝ๐ช๐ผ๐ฝ๐ฎ ๐ธ๐ป ๐ป๐ฎ๐ถ๐ช๐ฒ๐ท ๐ต๐ธ๐ผ๐ฝ ๐ฒ๐ท ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ท๐ธ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฎ.๐งโจ    |
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BimJomp said:
Steins;Gate is the pinnacle of anime. If you think differently, it's painfully clear you lack the refined taste and intellectual depth to appreciate true brilliance. The intricacies of its plot, the depth of its characters, and the masterful storytelling are far beyond your limited comprehension. It's not just an anime; it's a work of art that sets the standard for the entire medium. Dismissing it only highlights your ignorance and inability to recognize what makes anime truly exceptional.
While I immerse myself in thought-provoking masterpieces, you're obsessing over finding flaws in brilliance, like a pseudo-intellectual desperately clinging to mediocre drivel. It's almost pitiable how you try to mask your lack of understanding with baseless critiques. Keep trying to sound smart while I enjoy the true heights of anime excellence.
Steins;Gate is the pinnacle of anime. If you think differently, it's painfully clear you lack the refined taste and intellectual depth to appreciate true brilliance. The intricacies of its plot, the depth of its characters, and the masterful storytelling are far beyond your limited comprehension. It's not just an anime; it's a work of art that sets the standard for the entire medium. Dismissing it only highlights your ignorance and inability to recognize what makes anime truly exceptional.
While I immerse myself in thought-provoking masterpieces, you're obsessing over finding flaws in brilliance, like a pseudo-intellectual desperately clinging to mediocre drivel. It's almost pitiable how you try to mask your lack of understanding with baseless critiques. Keep trying to sound smart while I enjoy the true heights of anime excellence.
Where did you get this copypasta bro
| @PaperCutAssassin Funny that you think it is a "copypasta" just because you have the reading comprehension of a sixth grader. |
| ๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ ๐ผ๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ต๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ถ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ธ๐ฌ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ ๐๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ท ๐๐ธ๐พ ๐ฌ๐ช๐ท ๐ผ๐ฝ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ซ๐ป๐ฒ๐ต๐ต๐ฒ๐ช๐ท๐ฌ๐ฎ? ๐๐ผ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐น๐ป๐ฎ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ป ๐ช๐ท๐ฒ๐ถ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐ช๐ท๐ญ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ท๐ญ ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ท๐ญ ๐๐ฝ๐ฎ๐ป๐ท๐ช๐ต ๐ ๐พ๐ฎ๐ผ๐ฝ, ๐ ๐ซ๐ป๐ฒ๐ท๐ฐ ๐พ๐ท๐ถ๐ช๐ฝ๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐น๐ป๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฒ๐ธ๐ท ๐ช๐ท๐ญ ๐ฒ๐ท๐ผ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฝ ๐ฝ๐ธ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ป๐ ๐ป๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐. ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ช๐ฝ๐ฎ ๐๐ธ๐พ๐ป ๐ฝ๐ช๐ผ๐ฝ๐ฎ ๐ธ๐ป ๐ป๐ฎ๐ถ๐ช๐ฒ๐ท ๐ต๐ธ๐ผ๐ฝ ๐ฒ๐ท ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ท๐ธ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฎ.๐งโจ |
| i don't see how harem subtext is a huge problem, i even prefer that to actual harems. it most definitely is as good as the rating suggests compared to other anime. |
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