| This is one show where it actually makes sense for the main character to start OP as hell. Frieren has both power and experience accumulated for more than a thousand years behind her. In the case of Fern, she has actually struggled before and will do so again later on. She just doesn't show it too much on her face...and she's not the only one, as you will attest to in later arcs. This is just how the the author/artist roll and really, you'll just have to accept this and move on. |
| Show is not about that. Power scaling doesn't matter, cause the Shonen thing is over, already (for the most part). The demon King is defeated. That is literally what makes this show unique. Fern and Frieren beeing strong is NOT what makes this Anime good or bad. It's simply not about that. |
Merve2LoveFeb 4, 10:06 AM
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| Not really, this show is power fantasy done right. |
This dance is the pinnacle of human achievement. |
| I think the fight with Lugner was even |
| she's like 5000 years old of course she'll be that powerful |
| Frieren being OP makes a lot of sense, firstly, she is a long lived elf, who has been fighting demons for a long time. She even defeated the Demon King with Himmel, Heiter and Eisen. Secondly, she does have a Holy Emblem, equivalent to a First Clas Mage, or possibly even higher. She has a lot of skill, so it wouldn't make much sense for her to not be OP. |
| Just an avid anime watcher of 18 years, not much else I could say about myself (that I don't want to reveal, of course, just ask if you wanna know more!) "So...look up, face forward, toward your chosen horizon and just...walk on." - Noah, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 |
| Frieren has been around long enough NOT to be scared of anything that would hurt them. The demon king is no longer around so there's nothing out there more threatening than that. What Frieren really wants to do with the lake! |
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Saimatsu_Fan said: Alex_the_reaper said: you must be rotten from shounens my guy in the fight with Aura, Frieren changed trought yrs (she was way more flashier and badass on the flashbacks but thks to himmel she grew respect out of the beheaded soldiers) so she bet it all on the demons inate pride to use the scales instead of going for a showdown that would imply numberical disadvantage, thats strategy by breaking the barrier she was not carrying the team on her own and was just making the girls have a fair fight, even after fighting Aura she didnt rush to Stark and Fern to be all like "Its ok, Im here" despite having so much mana to spare thats not her character sry, not a shounen, she likes to have others fight their own battles and grow with them she did not fire their guns for them she just gave them ammo. If you're so far into the show and havent understood a single thing of the mc then just drop it, ure not gonna wake up next ep and magically realize what theyve been showing u for 17 eps lol " you must be rotten from shounens " You do realize this is a shounen series, right ? " That's strategy " ah yes having more mana than your enemy is a strategy The issue isn't that she's carrying the team fights or not, it's that they're LAME " You haven't understood a single thing " Oh boy we're having " um Actually you need a high IQ to understand this " arguments in 2024 Man, Frieren fans are sure the rick and Morty fans of the anime fandom are u one of those watchers who click the skip 10 secs arrow every 20 secs or smthing? She didn't won against Aura cause she was stronger, having more mana doesn't determine she would win, she HERSELF said she would be in trouble if Aura decided to fight, she had an army and a Op lvl of mana as well, so she bet the victory on the certainty she had that Aura, full of pride, would use the scales to show her superiority. Like cmone my guy Frieren said it HERSELF, you can have a bad opinion of the show no one forces you to like it, i enjoy lots of bad shows and consider many "masterpieces" overhyped and overrated but dont try to rewrite tge story when its LITERALLY on the screen.    |
Alex_the_reaperFeb 5, 2:53 AM
Alex_the_reaper said: Saimatsu_Fan said: " you must be rotten from shounens " You do realize this is a shounen series, right ? " That's strategy " ah yes having more mana than your enemy is a strategy The issue isn't that she's carrying the team fights or not, it's that they're LAME " You haven't understood a single thing " Oh boy we're having " um Actually you need a high IQ to understand this " arguments in 2024 Man, Frieren fans are sure the rick and Morty fans of the anime fandom are u one of those watchers who click the skip 10 secs arrow every 20 secs or smthing? She didn't won against Aura cause she was stronger, having more mana doesn't determine she would win, she HERSELF said she would be in trouble if Aura decided to fight, she had an army and a Op lvl of mana as well, so she bet the victory on the certainty she had that Aura, full of pride, would use the scales to show her superiority. Like cmone my guy Frieren said it HERSELF, you can have a bad opinion of the show no one forces you to like it, i enjoy lots of bad shows and consider many "masterpieces" overhyped and overrated but dont try to rewrite tge story when its LITERALLY on the screen. " i would've been in trouble " is the series pretending it has stakes lol you're talking about the mage who broke a barrier made by the best mage ever, do you unironically think that she'd would have an ACTUAL trouble against Literally metal puppets |
Reply to Saimatsu_Fan
Alex_the_reaper said:
are u one of those watchers who click the skip 10 secs arrow every 20 secs or smthing?
She didn't won against Aura cause she was stronger, having more mana doesn't determine she would win, she HERSELF said she would be in trouble if Aura decided to fight, she had an army and a Op lvl of mana as well, so she bet the victory on the certainty she had that Aura, full of pride, would use the scales to show her superiority. Like cmone my guy Frieren said it HERSELF, you can have a bad opinion of the show no one forces you to like it, i enjoy lots of bad shows and consider many "masterpieces" overhyped and overrated but dont try to rewrite tge story when its LITERALLY on the screen.
Saimatsu_Fan said:
" you must be rotten from shounens "
You do realize this is a shounen series, right ?
" That's strategy " ah yes having more mana than your enemy is a strategy
The issue isn't that she's carrying the team fights or not, it's that they're LAME
" You haven't understood a single thing "
Oh boy we're having " um Actually you need a high IQ to understand this " arguments in 2024
Man, Frieren fans are sure the rick and Morty fans of the anime fandom
" you must be rotten from shounens "
You do realize this is a shounen series, right ?
" That's strategy " ah yes having more mana than your enemy is a strategy
The issue isn't that she's carrying the team fights or not, it's that they're LAME
" You haven't understood a single thing "
Oh boy we're having " um Actually you need a high IQ to understand this " arguments in 2024
Man, Frieren fans are sure the rick and Morty fans of the anime fandom
are u one of those watchers who click the skip 10 secs arrow every 20 secs or smthing?
She didn't won against Aura cause she was stronger, having more mana doesn't determine she would win, she HERSELF said she would be in trouble if Aura decided to fight, she had an army and a Op lvl of mana as well, so she bet the victory on the certainty she had that Aura, full of pride, would use the scales to show her superiority. Like cmone my guy Frieren said it HERSELF, you can have a bad opinion of the show no one forces you to like it, i enjoy lots of bad shows and consider many "masterpieces" overhyped and overrated but dont try to rewrite tge story when its LITERALLY on the screen.
" i would've been in trouble " is the series pretending it has stakes lol
you're talking about the mage who broke a barrier made by the best mage ever, do you unironically think that she'd would have an ACTUAL trouble against Literally metal puppets
| @Saimatsu_Fan Frieren didn't want to smash the bodies of the fallen soldiers, she did it once and Himmel was angry with her because she didn't show them respect, so now she decided to defeat Aura by playing her game. |
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Alex_the_reaper said:
are u one of those watchers who click the skip 10 secs arrow every 20 secs or smthing?
She didn't won against Aura cause she was stronger, having more mana doesn't determine she would win, she HERSELF said she would be in trouble if Aura decided to fight, she had an army and a Op lvl of mana as well, so she bet the victory on the certainty she had that Aura, full of pride, would use the scales to show her superiority. Like cmone my guy Frieren said it HERSELF, you can have a bad opinion of the show no one forces you to like it, i enjoy lots of bad shows and consider many "masterpieces" overhyped and overrated but dont try to rewrite tge story when its LITERALLY on the screen.
Saimatsu_Fan said:
" you must be rotten from shounens "
You do realize this is a shounen series, right ?
" That's strategy " ah yes having more mana than your enemy is a strategy
The issue isn't that she's carrying the team fights or not, it's that they're LAME
" You haven't understood a single thing "
Oh boy we're having " um Actually you need a high IQ to understand this " arguments in 2024
Man, Frieren fans are sure the rick and Morty fans of the anime fandom
" you must be rotten from shounens "
You do realize this is a shounen series, right ?
" That's strategy " ah yes having more mana than your enemy is a strategy
The issue isn't that she's carrying the team fights or not, it's that they're LAME
" You haven't understood a single thing "
Oh boy we're having " um Actually you need a high IQ to understand this " arguments in 2024
Man, Frieren fans are sure the rick and Morty fans of the anime fandom
are u one of those watchers who click the skip 10 secs arrow every 20 secs or smthing?
She didn't won against Aura cause she was stronger, having more mana doesn't determine she would win, she HERSELF said she would be in trouble if Aura decided to fight, she had an army and a Op lvl of mana as well, so she bet the victory on the certainty she had that Aura, full of pride, would use the scales to show her superiority. Like cmone my guy Frieren said it HERSELF, you can have a bad opinion of the show no one forces you to like it, i enjoy lots of bad shows and consider many "masterpieces" overhyped and overrated but dont try to rewrite tge story when its LITERALLY on the screen.
" i would've been in trouble " is the series pretending it has stakes lol
you're talking about the mage who broke a barrier made by the best mage ever, do you unironically think that she'd would have an ACTUAL trouble against Literally metal puppets
| @Saimatsu_Fan Frieren didn't want to smash the bodies of the fallen soldiers, she did it once and Himmel was angry with her because she didn't show them respect, so now she decided to defeat Aura by playing her game. |
Janethan23 said: Frieren has been around long enough NOT to be scared of anything that would hurt them. The demon king is no longer around so there's nothing out there more threatening than that. What Frieren really wants to do with the lake! Himmel approves this post |
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the issue isn't that they're both OP,. the issue is that despite the great production values, the fights are super lame and boring, it's literally " spam one move and win lol " even the series itself calls this out by the other characters asking Fern " why do you just use basic spells "
the fights have no substance or strategy to them, it's just " wow!! did you see how gorgeous this animation is bro!! did you see how strong Frieren bro!!? she broke a whole barrier made by the greatest mage of all time!! she defeated a demon just by having higher mana than her!! so cool and exciting!!
most basic shit ever
" but but!! um akshully the anime isn't about that !!! 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 "
if you're going to add an element to a story, you better do it right
just because the anime/manga isn't focused on action doesn't mean the fights have to be lame and have no stakes/strategy/etc
that's like excusing Demon slayer's bad comedy and Naruto's bad romance by saying : " well the anime isn't about comedy or romance!! "
it's a stupid counter argument
the fights have no substance or strategy to them, it's just " wow!! did you see how gorgeous this animation is bro!! did you see how strong Frieren bro!!? she broke a whole barrier made by the greatest mage of all time!! she defeated a demon just by having higher mana than her!! so cool and exciting!!
most basic shit ever
" but but!! um akshully the anime isn't about that !!! 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 "
if you're going to add an element to a story, you better do it right
just because the anime/manga isn't focused on action doesn't mean the fights have to be lame and have no stakes/strategy/etc
that's like excusing Demon slayer's bad comedy and Naruto's bad romance by saying : " well the anime isn't about comedy or romance!! "
it's a stupid counter argument
Saimatsu_Fan said: So basically it all boils down to you having shit opinion. Characters use basic magic, the story tells you why they use basic magic and yet you still complain about them using basic magic???the issue is that despite the great production values, the fights are super lame and boring, it's literally " spam one move and win lol " even the series itself calls this out by the other characters asking Fern " why do you just use basic spells " If basic magic is effective enough to win fights than that's all the two are going to use - simple as that. "spam one move and win lol" is what sore losers who get recked by Fern/Frieren would say as a hard-cope and to discredit all the training these two went through to make the spam look so easy. I bet you'd be whining about "boring swordfights" after watching realistic fights instead of usual flashy Hollywood garbage where they do all the cringe static bindings or flashy spinning that gets you killed easily. Saimatsu_Fan said: Ironic how someone who complains about boring fights talks about strategy as if they care. Strategy doesn't have to be entertaining. Casting flashy magic for the sake of looking fancy is moronic and the story made it clear to everyone that the two don't use magic (when fighting) to impress people. They fight to survive and win. Inability to accept this is akin to (again) complaining why a master swordsman isn't doing spins every five seconds like they do in your average X movie.the fights have no substance or strategy to them Appear weak when strong - is the strategy Frieren devoted her entire life to, and so does Fern to deceive the true enemy; though it works on humans too. Saimatsu_Fan said: After analyzing it, yes. Frieren is also one of the greatest mages if you haven't noticed. If Fern did all this then your argument would've sounded less silly TBH. Frieren doing it wasn't nearly that surprising.she broke a whole barrier made by the greatest mage of all time!! Saimatsu_Fan said: Did you watch the episode half-asleep? That's such an oversimplification. Frieren won there due to strategy. The two met before and Aura managed to escape for a reason. Frieren didn't want that to repeat so she pretended to be weak and fooled arrogant Aura into using scales. If you delude yourself that Frieren would've won regardless, that's your ego problem because the story says otherwise. Aura had a bigger army than during their previous meeting. Also, Frieren has changed so she couldn't just blast the troops with flashy magic like before. Meaning, she would have to spend tons of mana dispelling Aura's magic while avoiding attacks from troops and from her. Had frieren show up without concealing her true mana-level, Aura may have just fled or used a different trick - which would have been a dumb move, but maybe you'd disagree because what Frieren did was apparently not strategy at all hurr durr.she defeated a demon just by having higher mana than her!! so cool and exciting!! The show also made it clear that Frieren lost 11 times in her life and latest episode gave one of the reasons why. Depending on circumstances she can easily lose, like if she were to fight vs a water-magic user in a rain. As for Fern, if not for demon's arrogance she'd be dead when pierced by blood magic. Details like these leaves room for doubt that our main characters can find themselves in a very dangerous situation and are not invincible. |
| Yeah but I don't mind it since as you said it isn't the focus. |
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It isn't a shounen so no
| @RazHagever its published in a shonen magazine so its shonen but what you meant is its not a battle shonen or battle manga |
Alex_the_reaper said: @Alex_the_reaper Not even close.still frieren lvl is close to Serie |
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Janethan23 said: Frieren has been around long enough NOT to be scared of anything that would hurt them. The demon king is no longer around so there's nothing out there more threatening than that. What Frieren really wants to do with the lake! Hehe...Nice, Good One |
| I mean, thats what happens when a freaking hundreds+ year old elf who beat up the Demon King, and a girl trained by that elf to fight demons take a mage test. Janethan23 said: Frieren has been around long enough NOT to be scared of anything that would hurt them. The demon king is no longer around so there's nothing out there more threatening than that. What Frieren really wants to do with the lake! Take your coomer ass back to nhentai. Or that shitty ass BDSM magic girl anime. |
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Frieren has been around long enough NOT to be scared of anything that would hurt them. The demon king is no longer around so there's nothing out there more threatening than that.
What Frieren really wants to do with the lake!
What Frieren really wants to do with the lake!
| @Janethan23 ai art? damn ai is getting better and better |
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This post will age like fine milk.
| @VMPL Why? Frieren is indeed too OP (even if it makes sense why), why would it age like milk? |
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@VMPL Why? Frieren is indeed too OP (even if it makes sense why), why would it age like milk?
| @Ionliosite2 we saw another older elf that is more powerful than frieren i guess named serie the blonde elf |
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@Ionliosite2 we saw another older elf that is more powerful than frieren i guess named serie the blonde elf
| @deg I know that, but that doesn't mean Frieren isn't OP |
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