| Would Suletta & Miorine not kissing ruin the show for you? |
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| yes, definitely. It should happen no matter what |
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| It would be cool but the show is good regardless of the conformation that Minore x Suletta exists |
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MSH420 said: The fact that *that* would ruin the show for some people, despite a million other things terribly wrong with it, just blows my mind whats wrong? (chr limit) |
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MSH420 said: Bad pacing, huge lore dumps, unlikeable characters, no character development besides Guel, most characters never get focus, some are interesting but never get focus and die, some characters get way too much screen time but never do anything with it, it's love for introducing as much as possible as fast as possible but never seeing any of it through or expanding upon it and the solution to every plot thread is either "kill it" or "never bring it up again lololol", feels like a show that was planned to be 4 cours but everything had to be slashed and rushed for whatever reason. Probably the worst Gundam in a hot while. It is happy to see a fellow Pakistani. I disagree with everything you said except bad pacing. I also think that the pacing of this show is bad but at the same time you like one piece. A show with the worst pacing. Its pacing makes it unwatchable. I like some characters and every character is not meant to be liked. This is my first Gundam so I don't know if other gundams are better or if this is a step down but I am enjoying it. |
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| The show has been terrible since episode 2 so I couldn't care less about the potential romantic relationship between two characters I don't like. |
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MSH420 said: Bad pacing, huge lore dumps, unlikeable characters, no character development besides Guel, most characters never get focus, some are interesting but never get focus and die, some characters get way too much screen time but never do anything with it, it's love for introducing as much as possible as fast as possible but never seeing any of it through or expanding upon it and the solution to every plot thread is either "kill it" or "never bring it up again lololol", feels like a show that was planned to be 4 cours but everything had to be slashed and rushed for whatever reason. Probably the worst Gundam in a hot while. Edit: and oh I forgot the most important thing in a gundam, the Gundam battles. those were also trash “No character development besides guel” This just flat out isn’t true. Suletta went from being naively trusting of her mother and the world around to being far more aware and breaking free of that control. Miorine went from being cold and bad expressing at emotions to being more open about her feelings. Even supporting characters like Chu chu have changed. She no longer resorts to immediate violence. As for the pacing issues I’ll definitely agree season one went too slow and season two went too fast, but like pacing issues have been a problem in many past Gundam series including Zeta and 0079 and it wasn’t enough to “ruin” them and I don’t think it’s enough to ruin here Judging by the massive popularity it most likely won’t be the end of this timeline as well and there’s many more plot threads to be discussed. already feels like they’re trying to set up peil as a major villain for a possible next season or sequel |
Lordbricktrick said: I mean, let's be real here. A shit ton of actual romance series don't even have a kiss but that doesn't mean that takes away from the romance. Look at Kimi no na wa for example. I would be disappointed since their romantic relationship is a major component of the show's story and they have been building it up the past two seasons. |
| Considering how conservative japan is and a lot of people watching are children, the most I see them doing is holding hands. This is just what happened with legend of korra. They cannot have 2 girls kissing on children's TV so they saved it for the comics. |
| Jesus Christ, don't give homophobes an excuse to bitch, keep your inane bullshit on Anime Discussion. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Jesus Christ, don't give homophobes an excuse to bitch, keep your inane bullshit on Anime Discussion. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Yuri shit ruin the show |
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| Show is already so ridiculously short. First half didn't feel like they had an idea what to do. Second half had too much happen in a short period of time. Now the show is basically over. Sunrise just going back to universal century and cosmic era. Feels like this was a test bad for how much yuri we can show on children's TV before parents bring the pitch fork. You can tell by how much guel did in season 2 and he is like the most popular character among male viewers. This is just legend of korra again and I was right they would dare make them kiss. We just saw rings and a photo of them holding hands. |
| I think this show was a letdown to everybody, no matter what you wanted out of it. the most accurate description I've seen. |
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nyugvo6 said: From the point of view of Gundam as a franchise, it was originally it. The only difference is the different sources of inspiration, and despite being manipulative in both shows, Avatar was more honest with the shippers. And yes, I'm not talking about a kiss. It takes a crazy shipper to ruin a show just for that.I think this show was a letdown to everybody, no matter what you wanted out of it. the most accurate description I've seen. |
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| Nope. This is just my opinion, it doesn’t matter how good or popular an anime series is. Whether I or anyone else enjoy it or not, it is just ‘another show’ of many out there at the end of the day. The less obsessed we are about our imaginations and fantasies, the better in my book. |
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| My bigger problem was i just didnt really buy their relationship but it ended up being a surprisingly small focus of the show in the end and it'd be hypocritical to act like THIS romance of all of em was one to hurt a Gundam in a franchise that has shit like Zeta and Seed Destiny, it was just undercooked in this one which i think kind of went for the show as a whole due to its short length. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: Small focus? What do you have in mind? They literally gave up all their themes for this in the last episodes. It was still written unnecessarily chaste, but in the last 2-3 episodes, I got the impression that at some point the show just wasn't interested in developing things beyond that.My bigger problem was i just didnt really buy their relationship but it ended up being a surprisingly small focus of the show in the end and it'd be hypocritical to act like THIS romance of all of em was one to hurt a Gundam in a franchise that has shit like Zeta and Seed Destiny, it was just undercooked in this one which i think kind of went for the show as a whole due to its short length. |
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| Miorine and sulettas relationship was more like a friendship than a romantic one, dont know why make a deal for kiss or not kissing. |
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EmmyMoomin said: Turn_A_Blum said: Miorine and sulettas relationship was more like a friendship than a romantic one, dont know why make a deal for kiss or not kissing. They are married, is the thing. That’s not something friends do. EmmyMoomin said: I'm not even going to say that you took my or the dude's words below out of context. Just spare me another lame argument, when the very fact that the characters were close is shown as "unconditional romantic affection". People have literally explained why the show's subtle portrayal of romance doesn't work and you're just wasting my time or someone else's.RobertBobert said: Small focus? What do you have in mind? They literally gave up all their themes for this in the last episodes. It was still written unnecessarily chaste, but in the last 2-3 episodes, I got the impression that at some point the show just wasn't interested in developing things beyond that. I suggest rewatching the last couple episodes, because it’s been consistent with its themes throughout. The relationship has also been consistent throughout. They never sacrificed the bigger picture for romance or the other way around. They kept a balance between the two. If you’re mad that Suletta wanted to save her family and her girlfriend then you most likely missed everything else. I get that it can be hard to do with watching a series weekly instead of all at once, but it’s honestly kinda baffling that anyone wouldn’t be able to see the themes and politics of the series this late into it. And as a side note that’s not related to your comment. Gundam couples rarely ever kiss. So Suletta and Miorine not having a kiss isn’t so strange. I think people are using that to discredit the ship as something like queer baiting/yuribaiting. If that’s yuribait then 90 percent of all gundam relationships are straight baiting. It’s great that they don’t kiss in gundam a lot of the time, it teaches it’s viewers that love is more than that. |
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EmmyMoomin said: Don't even try to bait me on the flame. The only person you are mocking in this case is yourself.RobertBobert said: I'm not even going to say that you took my or the dude's words below out of context. Just spare me another lame argument, when the very fact that the characters were close is shown as "unconditional romantic affection". People have literally explained why the show's subtle portrayal of romance doesn't work and you're just wasting my time or someone else's. “I can’t come up with an argument so, uh, you’re wrong” Cope and seethe. |
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RobertBobert said: it was barely focused on in the first half outside of bringing up their status alot, it really only got legit focus near the end of the first cour wtih Sulletta feeling like they are distant and that quite nice scene in ep 11 before they spent almost the entirety of the 2nd half of the series apart. Their relationship was a major plotpoint but barely in focus, once it was established at it was pretty much just a jumping off point for prospera drama.JizzyHitler said: Small focus? What do you have in mind? They literally gave up all their themes for this in the last episodes. It was still written unnecessarily chaste, but in the last 2-3 episodes, I got the impression that at some point the show just wasn't interested in developing things beyond that.My bigger problem was i just didnt really buy their relationship but it ended up being a surprisingly small focus of the show in the end and it'd be hypocritical to act like THIS romance of all of em was one to hurt a Gundam in a franchise that has shit like Zeta and Seed Destiny, it was just undercooked in this one which i think kind of went for the show as a whole due to its short length. On that front its actually really in line with gundam romance, almost always the backseat for the bigger picture sometimes bordering exclusively on plotpoints over introspective character building. I mentioned zeta before that one just flat out didnt give a shit about the why characters are together they just wanted to hop right into the drama you can do with it, Kammile and Four get together minutes after being together. |
JizzyHitlerJul 2, 2023 7:32 AM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
EmmyMoomin said: Yeah now i saw the rings. Still doesnt change the fact that the show didnt put too much effort in their relationship (as well as other elements of the story), so i wouldnt have been surprised if they end up as besties and nothing else.Turn_A_Blum said: Miorine and sulettas relationship was more like a friendship than a romantic one, dont know why make a deal for kiss or not kissing. They are married, is the thing. That’s not something friends do. |
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EmmyMoomin said: Oh, now we've moved on to direct insults. Just don't waste my time. I'm sure you won't have a problem with other opportunities to shame yourself. Just not with me.RobertBobert said: Don't even try to bait me on the flame. The only person you are mocking in this case is yourself. You’re very paranoid if you think anyones baiting you. I called you stupid. It’s not as deep as you think. JizzyHitler said: RobertBobert said: it was barely focused on in the first half outside of bringing up their status alot, it really only got legit focus near the end of the first cour wtih Sulletta feeling like they are distant and that quite nice scene in ep 11 before they spent almost the entirety of the 2nd half of the series apart. Their relationship was a major plotpoint but barely in focus, once it was established at it was pretty much just a jumping off point for prospera drama.Small focus? What do you have in mind? They literally gave up all their themes for this in the last episodes. It was still written unnecessarily chaste, but in the last 2-3 episodes, I got the impression that at some point the show just wasn't interested in developing things beyond that. On that front its actually really in line with gundam romance, almost always the backseat for the bigger picture sometimes bordering exclusively on plotpoints over introspective character building. I mentioned zeta before that one just flat out didnt give a shit about the why characters are together they just wanted to hop right into the drama you can do with it, Kammile and Four get together minutes after being together. Are we sure we're talking about a show that built the original framework around mimicking Utena and literally reducing most of the mecha action to duels to marry the girly part of the center couple? Yes, it was unnecessarily subtle given the show, most of the events of this show still revolved around the fact that Suletta became the fiance of Miorine and now the evil villains cannot carry out their evil plans. When they were torn apart, the show literally kept the focus on them yearning for each other, and although the odd chaste writing continued to have issues with that, it still swirled around their bonds the whole time. And I wouldn't call it "as subtle as the romance in other Gundams" since all the characters except Suletta and Miorine had no problem showing romantic feelings or intentions openly. |
RobertBobertJul 2, 2023 7:43 AM
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Turn_A_Blum said: Don't waste time on them. Since any intimacy or even just friendliness with shippers already makes the characters a couple, even the maximum ambiguity and subtlety is enough romance for them.Yeah now i saw the rings. Still doesnt change the fact that the show didnt put too much effort in their relationship (as well as other elements of the story), so i wouldnt have been surprised if they end up as besties and nothing else. |
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