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Hajime Isayama apologized for the controversial ending to AOT, and the crowd cheered and applauded him, nearly leading him to tears.

more of Isayama moments in Anime New York Convention here https://twitter.com/ANN_Lynzee/status/1594054705692409857

so thoughts?

found a video clip about his apology here https://youtu.be/jWCavI9E4Y0

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this was a big surprise for me
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At least he realized that his ending disappointed a lot of people.
Better than Rian Johnson who still refuses to acknowledge that his creative decisions didn't sit well with a large chunk of the fanbase.
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I honestly think it's sad that he has to apologize for it. I mean, yeah. It's disappointing if an ending to the series doesn't turn out the way you want. But it's just crazy how much the perspective of Attack on Titan changed so much after the final chapter dropped. I guess it just goes to show that most people were in it for the hype of it being a "different" shounen anime than appreciating it for what it was.
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I honestly think it's sad that he has to apologize for it. I mean, yeah. It's disappointing if an ending to the series doesn't turn out the way you want. But it's just crazy how much the perspective of Attack on Titan changed so much after the final chapter dropped. I guess it just goes to show that most people were in it for the hype of it being a "different" shounen anime than appreciating it for what it was.

Nah the ending was just shit
Nov 19, 2022 1:59 PM
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why doing poor isayama dirty? forcing him to cry and apologies just because of some pièce of fiction is just wrong
Nov 19, 2022 2:06 PM
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deg said:
Hajime Isayama apologized for the controversial ending to AOT, and the crowd cheered and applauded him, nearly leading him to tears.

more of Isayama moments in Anime New York Convention here https://twitter.com/ANN_Lynzee/status/1594054705692409857

so thoughts?

That was so wholesome
He deserves all the love of the world fr
His work changed many lives and was an inspiration to a lot of great minds, hope he remains healthy and safe, his masterpiece will always be remembered
Nov 19, 2022 2:21 PM
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This is so fucking stupid. He shouldn’t have to apologize for jackshit. Sure, he made an ending that a lot of people (myself included) thought sucked massive cock. However he shouldn’t have to apologize for it. It doesn’t matter how fans feel, the author’s intent matters the most in a story, even if the fans disagree with the direction the story went in. If he really wanted to change the ending because he was disappointed with it, then he could just change it. People need to stop harassing mangakas over the ending to a fucking story, especially a story that the author is passionate about.
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It comes from a good place. He apologized for not meeting everyone's expectations and that speaks volumes of what kinda person he is. Humble and self-conscious. I personally like the ending and do agree some things could have been better written but the overall message of the ending is the only real one IMO. I hope he makes an effort to polish some scenes up for the anime so there aren't as many haters at the end of the day.
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bluebear362 said:
TheFireNinja said:
I honestly think it's sad that he has to apologize for it. I mean, yeah. It's disappointing if an ending to the series doesn't turn out the way you want. But it's just crazy how much the perspective of Attack on Titan changed so much after the final chapter dropped. I guess it just goes to show that most people were in it for the hype of it being a "different" shounen anime than appreciating it for what it was.

Nah the ending was just shit

bruh what did you want?like a fairy tale ending??(not fairy tale anime i mean kid show)
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TheFireNinja said:
I honestly think it's sad that he has to apologize for it. I mean, yeah. It's disappointing if an ending to the series doesn't turn out the way you want. But it's just crazy how much the perspective of Attack on Titan changed so much after the final chapter dropped. I guess it just goes to show that most people were in it for the hype of it being a "different" shounen (though it can be argued AOT is seinen) anime than appreciating it for what it was.
I mean, what do you expect? Being different is literally a hook; a way to grab people's attention. And that's just the thing. AOT was different. It's not a matter of people not appreciating it for what it was; it's the exact opposite. At its very core, AOT was different. And people liked it for that. It wrote a different story than other shounen and then just decided to flip everything upside down and not deliver on all that was different and instead give us a more basic shounen-y ending.

If you want to defend the ending and say that the ending themes are what AOT is all about, then taking that said ending into consideration, the rest of the series has to be considered absolutely horrible; that's how big of a discrepancy there is in setup and payoff.
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deg said:
Hajime Isayama apologized for the controversial ending to AOT, and the crowd cheered and applauded him, nearly leading him to tears.

more of Isayama moments in Anime New York Convention here https://twitter.com/ANN_Lynzee/status/1594054705692409857

so thoughts?
That was so wholesome
He deserves all the love of the world fr
His work changed many lives and was an inspiration to a lot of great minds, hope he remains healthy and safe, his masterpiece will always be remembered
Fr man.
The guy deserves all the praise and respect for his masterpiece creation. The ending was amazing and I am glad that it is confirmed that Mappa will be animating the manga ending itself into the anime. Don't even get these people who call it disappointing or bad, I mean what type of happy fairy tail ending were they even expecting in the first place? And, if I am not wrong then Yams had once said that AoT would be getting a tragic ending and not a happy one (which is just common sense that it is impossible, for those expecting it). And, the Japanese loved the ending. Its only the Western edgelords who are crying because their fav theories or head cannons didn't come true.

Anyways, I can't wait to see the crying faces of the toxic Aoe believers and the EH shippers & trash Anr supporters.
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pheonix2244 said:
bluebear362 said:
Nah the ending was just shit
bruh what did you want?like a fairy tale ending??(not fairy tale anime i mean kid show)
I guess this is what most haters wanted:
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pheonix2244 said:
bruh what did you want?like a fairy tale ending??(not fairy tale anime i mean kid show)
I guess this is what most haters wanted:

thats like a incomplete ending and that doesnt even make a good ending.
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thats like a incomplete ending and that doesnt even make a good ending.
Exactly. And it would completely contradict the already established themes and messages in the story, if it was actually true.
These people are just pissed by the fact that
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dark_knight107 said:
pheonix2244 said:
thats like a incomplete ending and that doesnt even make a good ending.
Exactly. And it would completely contradict the already established themes and messages in the story, if it was actually true.
.These people are just pissed by the fact that

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Yeah agreed, like you said, that then we also have the typical jealous M haters, who have an issue with why she even exists in the story.
And, dude use a spoiler tag. This is an anime only forum.
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dark_knight107 said:
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and they prob mad becus mikasa killed him
Yeah agreed, like you said, that then we also have the typical jealous M haters, who have an issue with why she even exists in the story.
And, dude use a spoiler tag. This is an anime only forum.

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oh sorry i forgot
yea done.
Nov 19, 2022 7:24 PM
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yea
oh sorry i forgot
yea done.
Nah, its fine. No need to apologize. I just wanted to remind.
Nov 19, 2022 7:26 PM

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Isayama is such a nice guys.
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why doing poor isayama dirty? forcing him to cry and apologies just because of some piece of fiction is just wrong
Fr man. Majority out there are just retarded pieces of shit who would hate on the author and would resort to trash talk simply because the story didn't head in the way, they wanted it to go.
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It comes from a good place. He apologized for not meeting everyone's expectations and that speaks volumes of what kinda person he is. Humble and self-conscious. I personally like the ending and do agree some things could have been better written but the overall message of the ending is the only real one IMO. I hope he makes an effort to polish some scenes up for the anime so there aren't as many haters at the end of the day.
Agreed man. One of the most humble and kind mangaka out there and I am certain that the anime is gonna expand on the ending for more clarity.
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Atleast my man made it out alive, looks like we have something to cheer about
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TheFireNinja said:
I honestly think it's sad that he has to apologize for it. I mean, yeah. It's disappointing if an ending to the series doesn't turn out the way you want. But it's just crazy how much the perspective of Attack on Titan changed so much after the final chapter dropped. I guess it just goes to show that most people were in it for the hype of it being a "different" shounen (though it can be argued AOT is seinen) anime than appreciating it for what it was.
I mean, what do you expect? Being different is literally a hook; a way to grab people's attention. And that's just the thing. AOT was different. It's not a matter of people not appreciating it for what it was; it's the exact opposite. At its very core, AOT was different. And people liked it for that. It wrote a different story than other shounen and then just decided to flip everything upside down and not deliver on all that was different and instead give us a more basic shounen-y ending.

If you want to defend the ending and say that the ending themes are what AOT is all about, then taking that said ending into consideration, the rest of the series has to be considered absolutely horrible; that's how big of a discrepancy there is in setup and payoff.


I wasn't implying that there was an issue with it being different. I was mainly saying that out of exhaustion and taking a jab at the reluctant watchers of shounen that I see hyping up any particular one they get drawn to and trashing others in comparison. Of course, I know that you would probably argue that it's a seinen. But I've just commonly seen it thrown into the opposite category. I can't really defend the quality of the ending as I haven't gotten that far in the manga myself. But I've heard from one person that it was similar to Code Geass in how it ended.
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TheFireNinja said:
I honestly think it's sad that he has to apologize for it. I mean, yeah. It's disappointing if an ending to the series doesn't turn out the way you want. But it's just crazy how much the perspective of Attack on Titan changed so much after the final chapter dropped. I guess it just goes to show that most people were in it for the hype of it being a "different" shounen anime than appreciating it for what it was.

That are the times we are living in. Authors of popular works of art sometimes need to apologize for just doing their work the best they can, because angry mob of crybabies seethes on the Internet because of their favorite thing, here it was a manga, ending in a way they didn't want to.

Attack on Titan has always represented similar quality in terms of storytelling. It was a solid shounen bringing something fresh to the genre, so it's understandable that it began to be popular. Sadly, it became also something like "newcomer's first manga/anime". Many people started their adventure with it and looked at it mostly from Westerner's point of view, as if they were reading American comic, without even trying to read something about trends present in Japanese literature regarding storytelling or modulation. Instead of diving deeper into the world of anime and manga, many of them either sticked only with AoT or picked just only the highest rated entries from the world of animanga. That led to these people calling themselves as "better", as thus they called AoT as "not your dumb shounen series like MHA".

In the end, said edgelords were exposed as simply clowns not standing close to even "edgy elitists" they appeared to be (or just elitists). Crying over manga not ending as they wanted it to end? Crying over husbando not being as they dreamed him to be like? Crying over their ship not becoming real? Well, I guess it's time to stop saying "stereotypical MHA fanatics" when you refer to people crazy in toxic way about ships and waifu/husbando wars, lol.
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I mean the fact titans are supposed to die was already explained from the starting I think so eren dying was going to happen either way so why do people find there ending bad
(I Don’t mind spoilers so go ahead please)
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I don't think he has to apologise for the ending to his series. Attack on titan is his series not our series. He is the author so he can end his series how he wants to, Attack on Titan belongs to Isayama not the fans
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I mean the fact titans are supposed to die was already explained from the starting I think so eren dying was going to happen either way so why do people find there ending bad
(I Don’t mind spoilers so go ahead please)


The ending implies peace will exist between paradise and the outside world as long armong and the Saviour's of humanity are alive.

The outside world won't take revenge on paradis coz armong became the hero who saved humanity from extinction he will become the peace ambassador between paradis and the outside world.

Eren did exactly what king Fritz and the other eldians did for 2000yrs.
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Always gotta remember behind every shitty piece of media there’s someone who poured their all into it and either got screwed over by a company or legitimately thought it was good and were surprised when people didn’t like it but that’s the unfortunate reality of the artist.
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An artist shouldn't have to apologise for their art unless it's not truly their own. As shit as it was, if it came from your pen and mind.
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I mean the fact titans are supposed to die was already explained from the starting I think so eren dying was going to happen either way so why do people find there ending bad (I Don’t mind spoilers so go ahead please)

The dislike is mainly due to just frustration/cope/denial (because one of their fav characters must have died) and for the most stupidest reasons like-

"The plot didn't head in the way, I wanted it to go, so obviously it is trash".
" My fav head cannons didn't come true, so obviously it is trash".
"My fav ship didn't sail through, so obviously it is trash".

And the Aoe/Anr supporters dislike the ending due to these nonsensical reasons:
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deg said:
Hajime Isayama apologized for the controversial ending to AOT, and the crowd cheered and applauded him, nearly leading him to tears.

more of Isayama moments in Anime New York Convention here https://twitter.com/ANN_Lynzee/status/1594054705692409857

so thoughts?

The ending of AOT was fine for me. Not what I imagined, certainly not, but still not that bad. The cycle of turning people into titans, and killing each other ended. Even tho it caused Eren to die, it's still the thing he wanted the most. Freedom and Peace between humans.
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Respect for that, and can't wait for the anime to roll
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YOU BEAT ME TO IT @deg, I'M SO UPSET (I'm not, but damn. I wanted to spark some drama).

I saw plenty of clips from the interviews and I honestly have mixed feelings about the apology. As someone who didn't read the ending, but is very aware of the general consensus and the controversy around it, I feel like Isayama is admitting he fucked up. This kind of makes me think that he wasn't exactly happy with what he put out considering he has to apologize for it. I said this before and I'll say it again, Isayama drove himself into a corner. He was probably burned out too and he didn't exactly land the ending the way he would have wanted to or the way fans had expected. I'm not sure from which perspective I should look at this apology, but either way, it's not a good sign. In a sense, he's trying to admit his "mistake", but I feel like the dude is restless and this ending will haunt him for the rest of his life, or not.

BUT, I appreciated the fans for showing respect and still applauding him. Regardless of how you feel about the ending, the journey has been great and he deserves credit for that.

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It comes from a good place. He apologized for not meeting everyone's expectations and that speaks volumes of what kinda person he is. Humble and self-conscious. I personally like the ending and do agree some things could have been better written but the overall message of the ending is the only real one IMO. I hope he makes an effort to polish some scenes up for the anime so there aren't as many haters at the end of the day.

I understand where you're coming from, but this apology can be viewed in different ways. I don't think over the first 8 years of AoT Isayama was concerned much about the fans' reaction. It seemed that he mostly focused on carrying out certain thoughts and landing a final message, but in the end, he turned to the fans which whether we like it or not isn't always a good move. He might've made some happy, but he also disappointed many others. I'm on the fence when it comes to this one.
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interesting you mention there are video clips of the event can you share some here on this thread? because the ANN staff that i link says they are banned from taking videos of the event
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interesting you mention there are video clips of the event can you share some here on this thread? because the ANN staff that i link says they are banned from taking videos of the event

Sure, they're mostly on tiktok. I'll find them and share them with you.

@deg here are some of the one I watched:
https://www.tiktok.com/@weatherati/video/7167913057123880235?_r=1&_t=8XWHqemycCB&is_from_webapp=v1&item_id=7167913057123880235
https://www.tiktok.com/@s.vrina/video/7167922334500818222?_r=1&_t=8XWHvRKB8eM&is_from_webapp=v1&item_id=7167922334500818222
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samashi20 said:
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interesting you mention there are video clips of the event can you share some here on this thread? because the ANN staff that i link says they are banned from taking videos of the event

Sure, they're mostly on tiktok. I'll find them and share them with you.

@deg here are some of the one I watched:
https://www.tiktok.com/@weatherati/video/7167913057123880235?_r=1&_t=8XWHqemycCB&is_from_webapp=v1&item_id=7167913057123880235
https://www.tiktok.com/@s.vrina/video/7167922334500818222?_r=1&_t=8XWHvRKB8eM&is_from_webapp=v1&item_id=7167922334500818222


thanks i also found one on youtube here https://youtu.be/jWCavI9E4Y0

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Keep apologizing but i bil not forgib. Also wtf is this:-

Apologies whare?
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some fans saying,so "Isayama basically admitted that his ending was bad right?!?"
!

Lol,Isayama is very humble person and he's been always very insecure about his work,
-Some fans didn't like Uprising in the manga,and thought it was boring,Isayama asked the anime-staff to restructure the arc in the anime
-He once even said that anime is the final product or something like that (when the anime is filled with plot holes or retcons which aren't in the manga)
-In an interview in 2014,he said that to please the fans he decided 'to change' his "original ending" because the series became very popular .
-When he found that the ending was controversial then he said this previous year as well that maybe he couldn't convey some plot points properly,he was sorry if someone didn't like the manga ending ,that(the ending) was the best of his ability.
-He said in this interview that his biggest concern was to not get the serialization cancelled.


Unlike other creators,these mangaka are very insecure and self-critical of their work,for example,Inoue,(creator of Vagabond,Real,Slam dunk) was very critical of his work as well.
Like in general,the Japanese always apologize when they realize that their actions could offend or hurt someone.
Saying "see even Isayama don't like his own ending" because he apologized is dumb af.
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Keep apologizing but i bil not forgib. Also wtf is this:-

Apologies whare?
bhosudike first learn how to write. Kya puch raha hey tu chutiye?
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Whybrowhy said:
some fans saying,so "Isayama basically admitted that his ending was bad right?!?"
!

Lol,Isayama is very humble persona and he's been always very insecure about his work,
-Some fans didn't like Uprising in the manga,and thought it was boring,Isayama asked the anime-staff to restructure the arc in the anime
-He once even said that anime is the final product or something like that (when the anime is filled with plot holes or retcons which aren't in the manga)
-In an interview in 2014,he said that to please the fans he decided 'to change' his "original ending" because the series became very popular .
-When he found that the ending was controversial then he said this previous year as well that maybe he couldn't convey some plot points properly,he was sorry if someone didn't like the manga ending ,that(the ending) was the best of his ability.
-He said in this interview that his biggest concern was to not get the serialization cancelled.


Unlike other creators,these mangaka are very insecure and self-critical of their work,or example,Inoue,(creator of Vagabond,Real,Slam dunk) was very critical of his work as well.
Like in general,the Japanese always apologize when they realize that their actions could offend or hurt someone.
Saying "see even Isayama don't like his own ending" is dumb af.
some say he planned everything from beginning while others say he changed midway. The fandom itself doesn't know what the hell happened
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ChouunShiryuu said:
Keep apologizing but i bil not forgib. Also wtf is this:-

Apologies whare?
bhosudike first learn how to write. Kya puch raha hey tu chutiye?
aur bhai, I know bhosdike par bhosudike?
"I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author).
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Peeti said:
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bhosudike first learn how to write. Kya puch raha hey tu chutiye?
aur bhai, I know bhosdike par bhosudike?
muje hindi thoda thoda hata bhai lakin south me bhosudike bolte hai sab
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aur bhai, I know bhosdike par bhosudike?
muje hindi thoda thoda hata bhai lakin south me bhosudike bolte hai sab
k okay. South is English more than Hindi?
"I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author).
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Peeti said:
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muje hindi thoda thoda hata bhai lakin south me bhosudike bolte hai sab
k okay. South is English more than Hindi?
na just regional language. Tamil,telugu,kannada
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bhosudike first learn how to write. Kya puch raha hey tu chutiye?

helo frend, I see you curse liek you live in trailer, but is not ur fault, you just forgot meditait
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ChouunShiryuu said:
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bhosudike first learn how to write. Kya puch raha hey tu chutiye?

helo frend, I see you curse liek you live in trailer, but is not ur fault, you just forgot meditait
what isayama has to do with crappa adapting aot with shitty production schedule
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it's a shame for whole anime fandom that he had to cry , criticism is fine but hating him to the point where he cried over ending of fiction he literally created is 🤡 , that's why anime fans are looked down by non anime watchers because most of them are shit
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Imagine feeling like you need to apologize for the way you decided to end your story lol
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