People are missing the point of the Rebuilds

Mikepuffy said:
Shin Eva was never aimed to be like NGE or EoE. I think it's only fair to criticize it based on your personal experience instead of comparing it to the older series and say that it does not live to the hype. I understand that some people like the older series better and praising it as Anno's magnum opus, but shitting on the Rebuilds just because it does not follow the originals is unjustified.

Alvacka97 said:
Then why did Anno make it so the films are a direct sequel to NGE? Why does Shinji acknowledge his previous life in the movie, the events of the 95 series and film, when instead it could all have been just a remake or a reboot of the original?
You see, from the moment these movies start being a sequel, instead of a remake, they become a canonical part of the original series, of the OG show, so you need to compare them to what came before, the same way you would compare Game of Thrones Season 3 with Season 8. Clearly since it's all part of the same continuity, and the series gets progressively worse and worse the more rebuilds are released, one can and should compare them.

Jontayy said:
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Alvacka97 said:
Then why did Anno make it so the films are a direct sequel to NGE? Why does Shinji acknowledge his previous life in the movie, the events of the 95 series and film, when instead it could all have been just a remake or a reboot of the original?
You see, from the moment these movies start being a sequel, instead of a remake, they become a canonical part of the original series, of the OG show, so you need to compare them to what came before, the same way you would compare Game of Thrones Season 3 with Season 8. Clearly since it's all part of the same continuity, and the series gets progressively worse and worse the more rebuilds are released, one can and should compare them.

Alvacka97 said:
Then why did Anno make it so the films are a direct sequel to NGE? Why does Shinji acknowledge his previous life in the movie, the events of the 95 series and film, when instead it could all have been just a remake or a reboot of the original?
You see, from the moment these movies start being a sequel, instead of a remake, they become a canonical part of the original series, of the OG show, so you need to compare them to what came before, the same way you would compare Game of Thrones Season 3 with Season 8. Clearly since it's all part of the same continuity, and the series gets progressively worse and worse the more rebuilds are released, one can and should compare them.

Emerardo said:


It still wasn't 100 percent confirmed that the specific nge television series events occured before the rebuilds, its up to interpretation

Alvacka97 said:
Then why did Anno make it so the films are a direct sequel to NGE? Why does Shinji acknowledge his previous life in the movie, the events of the 95 series and film, when instead it could all have been just a remake or a reboot of the original?
You see, from the moment these movies start being a sequel, instead of a remake, they become a canonical part of the original series, of the OG show, so you need to compare them to what came before, the same way you would compare Game of Thrones Season 3 with Season 8. Clearly since it's all part of the same continuity, and the series gets progressively worse and worse the more rebuilds are released, one can and should compare them.

Mikepuffy said:


Firstly, Anno did the rebuilds to build a foundation for Khara to take off as a studio, clearly. Secondly, Anno did the rebuilds as a way to "retell the story that he intended without the technological constraints". That’s what’s on the surface at least.

But I think you already understood that Evangelion was basically an embodiment of himself in the form media that people could consume. He was depressed at the time, and it leaked into production. Eventually it became the famous (or infamous) series that it is today, plus EoE which was basically Anno pissing on everyone that was sending him death threats and shit cause they’re not happy with how NGE originally ended.

Rebuilds are just the same. Except this time he was not the same person as he was before. Shinji is still the embodiment of himself, but he was no longer the depressed 14 y/o (or 28, taking the time skip into account) that we remember. At the end of Shin Eva, he did recall that he was depressed some time ago, hence why he clearly mentioned Neon Genesis at the end of the movie, as means of him self reflecting on himself then to what he is now. He’s doing better now, which was why Shin Eva ended on a more optimistic note.

At the end, we see that the world rewrote itself, to a world where Evas never existed. Simply put, Anno was ready to let go of Evangelion. He was glad that Evangelion existed, but there is more to his his life than just that. And he is asking is to do the same. And by the looks of it, many were happy that Shin Eva ended the way it was. And I was fulfilled too. Sure it's not the perfect movie and ending that everyone hoped for, but an ending was very much needed, and I think it was executed flawlessly.

I’m sorry if this was out of topic, and if it took a long time for me to reply 😗. I was just stating why I think the rebuilds makes sense. This was also backed on other people’s view on the ending that I saw on other communities such as reddit, YouTube, etc.

GabrahamLincoln said:
This. I'm one of those people who just didn't like NGE or EoE, but gave eva a second chance with the rebuilds and actually really enjoyed it. I like a lot of stuff in the original (pretty much every time an eva is on screen) and the music is fantastic. However, I honestly can't stand any of the characters for the most part. I've found over the years that I'm very much a "character consumer" in a lot of ways. What I mean by this is that I sometimes subconsciously value character stuff over other things, and for me to thoroughly enjoy something there was probably a character I loved that I latched on to for the journey in a way. But for NGE, I kinda just hate everybody. The only ones out of the "main cast" that I really cared about were Misato and Kaji. But then EoE sorta ruins Misato for me since it's all, oh let's have this grown ass woman smooch a 14 year old boy. And then there's some weird stuff with Kaji and Asuka near the end of NGE that threw me off his character a little bit as well. I just couldn't connect with the main trio really at all. I started to be interested in Rei, and they were doing some really intriguing things with her discovering herself and emotions, but then it feels like that thread just fizzles out. With Shinji and Asuka, I understand that both of them have messed up families and are in super fucked up situations, and they portray that very well, but it seems like they focus on all the ultra negative stuff for almost the entirety of the series. And I get that that's sort of the point. One of the main things Eva tackles is delving deep into psychological trauma and it's effects. But for me personally, I feel like there's a more balanced way to showcase that without it taking nearly the entirety of the runtime. It just comes off much too dour for my tastes. Along with that, other than the dumpster fire of an ending that NGE has, it feels to me like none of the characters actually change or grow by the end. Honestly, after I finished NGE/EoE a couple years back I sat there and was like "the class president and purple jacket dude were the only 2 people I genuinely liked a ton, and they were very minor side characters. I was super happy to see them end up together in the rebuild because of this specifically. Other than the characters, my biggest gripe with NGE and EoE are the endings. I know that Anno was severely depressed during production and then finally started getting some mental help near the end, which can explain the jarring tonal shift, but just because I understand why the ending is like that doesn't change my opinion that it's dog shit. It could have been amazing to see the characters battle their inner demons and end up in a slightly better mental/emotional state, but it's just such a drastic swerve the way it's handled. That, along with the miniscule amount of time they alloted to handle something so important like that and the diminishing budget just add up to a total disaster pie in my books. Plus from a narrative standpoint, all of the mysterious plot points that they've been stringing you along with the entire time are just completely flushed down the drain. With EoE, the only thing I can say I thoroughly enjoyed was Asuka's fight with the multiple white angels. It's visually stunning and just a super baddass Last stand sort of moment. However, that's overshadowed by the problems I have with the movie. While the ending with Lilith and the red ocean is artistically compelling, we still get no resolution as to what the hell was going on with the human instrumentality project and NERV and Seele and the angels and what not. Additionally, I don't care how traumatized or mentally scarred our characters are, watching a 14 year old kid jerk off to a hospitalized girl and then later try to strangle her is by no means my idea of an enjoyable watch; I just fucking hate it. On the other hand, the rebuilds actually managed to solve most of the problems I had with the original. The characters, (with the exception of Asuka who I feel kind of got shafted in some ways), were all fleshed out much better imo. We still get to see shinji and his terrible circumstances and the effect that and his cowardice have. But instead of spending all of his character arc hammering that point to death, they also let you see him struggle and eventually begin to move past that. Next is Gendo; in NGE, he just felt like this mustache twirling, mysterious sunglasses wearing mastermind who we're never given any motivation for at all. But finding out in thrice upon a time that he's willing to go to such insane lengths as to sacrifice the world, all for something as simple as bringing his dead wife back made a lot more sense to me. It gave me Tenet vibes and made his character more believable to me. Lastly, (and I think they did the best job with revamping this character), is Rei. I really love what they did with Rei in the rebuilds. Seeing her slowly gain more humanity, and even in multiple separate versions of herself at that was super cool. Watching her try to set up a dinner with shinji and Gendo was great, and the stuff with look a like Rei in thrice upon a time is fantastic and probably the best part of that movie for me. Also, just seeing the town of survivors and how they're continuing to live despite it all, while slowly preserving and reclaiming the environment was awesome. I felt it was a much needed extra perspective as to the effects everything had on the world and regular people just struggling to live their lives. Another thing I loved was the creation of WILLE. It never sat right with me that they never extensively delved into the fact that in NGE, tons, if not most of the people working at NERV were well intentioned and had no clue of the shit Gendo was pulling. They're just there trying to stop the angels while gendo is twiddling his thumbs in his own intentions. And then they never quite explored that thread. That's why seeing in the rebuilds that tons of NERV folk led by Misato find out about the shady shit and break off to resist Gendo was super cool to me. Last thing for me is the ending. While I by no means think that thrice upon a time's ending is flawless, as others said, it's good to finally get some closure. There's some nonsense and contrived stuff there at the end, but getting to see our characters actually confront the main external conflict and resolve the plot finally is quite satisfying to me. Overall, I totally understand where diehard fans of the original are coming from with their criticisms of the rebuilds, but they scratched a major itch for me. I think part of this is because I really wanted to like NGE and EoE. There were so many things I was fascinated and intrigued by that they were doing; the world, the evas, and the angels are all terrific and revolutionary for the medium. It's just that the overemphasis on how shitty everything is, plus the aforementioned endings left way too big of a sour taste in my mouth. The rebuilds, however, managed to retain and even upgrade in some cases the iconic imagery, themes, and moments of the original, while also resolving the majority of the issues I had. Anyway, I'll hop off my soap box finally. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk lol.

FFerra said:


Damn, I completely agree with you. (Do try to separate the wall of text with paragraphs next time, pls)
I did feel as if the original NGE was way too depressing for its own good and, as you said, only cared to focus on the extremely negative aspects of our characters' lives. NGE never really tried to find a solution for these traumas and problems, it just said fuck it and kept making it worst and worst. This movie deals with that. Sure, Asuka is kinda relegated to a supporting role and Mari is such an unnecessary character, it's crazy. But damn, I prefer this ending much more than the original (although, I do believe that NGE+EoE are important pieces of Anime history that deserve a watch).

For some reason there's this notion that this movie implies that to feel better you need to let go of your entertainment, as if it's implying that anime needs to be left behind and that otakus need to touch grass. What??
Saying that the world must be rid of Evas is not meant to be taken as in, the anime or escapism in general, but just to stop using excuses to deny your own growth. 40/50 minutes are spent so that Shinji, a deeply traumatized 14 year old that caused the death of thousands, can start feeling better, allowing him to be more introspective about his feelings towards his father and the people around him. The world with Evas is stagnant; relegated to the unpredictable whims of a man who has suffered a lot. The Evas were Gendo's excuse to remain trapped in the past with his wife's memory. Evas were Asuka's way to be above it all; to never have to feel bad and to be objectively better. And so on. Shinji managed to grow without the Eva. He managed to go back to it without regrets.

And what if Shinji remains with Mari? Sure, she is a weird character that has a dubious purpose for the series, but sometimes highschool/middle school romance just doesn't work out. Sometimes someone else will fill the hole left by time. Mari is fine. It's just a shame she was such a forgettable character.

In the end, this series of movies, while not flawless, give a much more satisfying ending to shinji and his struggles, along with being more understandable. (Angel/Adam + Lilin/Lilith= God. There, that's it. Sheesh)

Alvacka97 said:
Do you have any counter-argument, or you just came here to act like a jackass?

Niraj_Jadhav01 said:
In my opinion the Rebuild series gave the much needed and understandable ending to the Neon Genesis Evangelion franchise as whole. The original Anime focused on the depression and emotional turmoil the character go through it also focuses on the Human Instrumentality project but if never explained the project in a way that everyone could understand , as last two episodes focus on Shinji thinking whether the Human race should combine together without having any physical barriers and AT fields in one consciousness without borders or choose whether humanity should exist the way it is with its difference. The Rebuild Series focuses on the Instrumentality project and the consequences of the action taken by Shinji. It also gives Shinji and other characters to choose something beyond piloting the Evas and choosing their own Happiness a new life a new start. The Original Anime and End of Evangelion film ended on a confusing note without giving the proper closure to the franchise but Rebuild series gave the much needed closure for the Franchise and Shinji too. At the End of Rebuild Series Shinji accepted all the things his mistakes and their consequences , how he cut himself off from others he accepted that and went to create a world without Evas where everyone can have a new start by sacrificing himself along with Eva Unit 01. At the End he also understood why his father was doing all this , why he wanted the Human Instrumentality project , he understood that his father and he is the same those who cut themselves off from others , but they can change like his father changed. Shinji at the End accept everything and wanted new start without Evas where he can find his happiness and purpose of life.
The Rebuild Series gave the much needed closure for the Franchise and a happy ending for Shinji where he can be seen smiling


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