Macross Fans, how is this series so far?

Zaku_Fan said:
Having a problem with the military response. It makes no sense.

You have a very small group of enemies clustered in a small area (palace) who has the ability to basically utilise a biological weapon that can neutralise your own forces and you just let them sit there while fighting defensively and failing at it (from the number of planets conquered)?

These aren't terrorists with no fixed base. They have one and its very obvious. They have caused the death of easily thousands by simply forcing a single zentradi in a missile regult to go berserk. Each time they attack, probably what tens of military personnel go bersek? Tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands die per attack? Not to mention collapsing buildings, destroyed infrasturcture, broken industry.

And still NUNs is willing to sit there and do nothing? Makes zero sense. Contract the macross quarter for one mission to fire its cannon and boom, end of palace, end of prince singing, end of aerial knights (when they end up fighting fifty to one)

Zaku_Fan said:
Having a problem with the military response. It makes no sense.

You have a very small group of enemies clustered in a small area (palace) who has the ability to basically utilise a biological weapon that can neutralise your own forces and you just let them sit there while fighting defensively and failing at it (from the number of planets conquered)?

These aren't terrorists with no fixed base. They have one and its very obvious. They have caused the death of easily thousands by simply forcing a single zentradi in a missile regult to go berserk. Each time they attack, probably what tens of military personnel go bersek? Tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands die per attack? Not to mention collapsing buildings, destroyed infrasturcture, broken industry.

And still NUNs is willing to sit there and do nothing? Makes zero sense. Contract the macross quarter for one mission to fire its cannon and boom, end of palace, end of prince singing, end of aerial knights (when they end up fighting fifty to one)

Fai said:

The answer is easy - bureaucracy.

Its same as in our world - USA has enough armaments to wipe half the middle east off the map clean. But they don't.

Sometimes prolonged conflict makes sense when compared to cost of instant solution. We are not fighting space vampires or zerg now. The enemy is pretty much a terrorist cell in this.

I am sure if they were to annoy enough, NUNs would wipe them off the map - but so far the size of the target simply does not merit the costs and effort to do that

Aventine said:

Not going to talk about numbers or anything since there are no solid info and every estimate is entirely made up.

NUN just isnt any normal nation, each system, each fleet etc is very independant, all just loosely connected, usually self-rule whatever patch of space they are in.
A cluster of star not even in the proper milkey way isnt exactly a big issue when you have the whole galaxy to deal with.

What NUN have done is basically contract Chaos PMC in the area to deal with it, since other planetary forces, not actual NUN forces, can't. Y'know, in the same way you suggest contract Quarter to do it(and somehow clear the fold fault around Windamere).

Remember how they did when dealing with Vajra, it was only Frontier diong the fighting until very late into the game.

Zaku_Fan said:


Which is why that is sinply stupid. Chaos does not seem to have the capacity to do much other than defensive operations. The macross battleship isn't moving unless its a direct emergency, so awarding a contract to do this to a under equipped force is dumb. Like i said, one cannon shot at the palace, dead prince, end of singing, then you have numerical superiority

The Vajra did not show their leadership until the end of the series plus frontier was still in space with unsettled civilians. If the frontier civilian ships were already on a planet and copleted settling down plus they alreadly knew where the vajra main HQ was at, then if they let the vajra run wild, they would be just as stupid as delta's military.

Aventine said:

Stupid, underequipped and dumb as you say they might be, you can have a as large fleet as you want and still wont do shit unless it can go through the fold fault like in Ourobos isolating Windamere. Elysion would do jack shit out there. Chaos, reveal in mangas Macross E, have other forces. Scale is currently unknown as the Manga and the serie is still ongoing.
Remember how big SMS was in ep10? One quarter and thats it, the rest didnt showed up yet. Heck did other SMS force ever even appeared on the show?

Aventine said:

Speaking of Vajra, hell even when they launched the final attack the NUN was missing and only joined up later on, in TV serie other NUN forces or SMS forces hadnt even showed up

Zaku_Fan said:


Wrong, comparison to the current earth will fail all the time simply because if the usa tries to wipe out the middle east, the usa will be risking being wiped out themselves from retaliation from countries with vested interests. Nukes aren't owned by one nation alone and ICBMs don't just belong to one country.

Terrorists are hard to wipe out simply because they cannot be found. The aerial knghts have a obvious base of operations. If you are comparing to ISIS, do note that they are also always on the move. The leaders don't sit in one location waiting for a bunker buster.

Zaku_Fan said:


You mean the fold fault that fold quartz bypasses? But Chaos doesn't have fold quartz you say? All the more reason to award the contract to someone who can actually DO the job. But Chaos could have huge Nupetiet-Vergnitz class battleships you say? Sure, if they have it and do nothing, that's just a failure to complete the contract and another round of tender requests should be done.

Fai said:


ANd in case of NUNs, doing it that way would probably cause internal strugle and cause additional problems. As Aventine said, NUNs is not exactly a normal "country".

As for real world - it not just about retaliation - doing it is simply too costly both in terms of diplomacy and in terms of resources spent. Which holds true here too - contracting a pmc to achieve same result even if slower makes sense upon data that was available. And it takes less effort and less stirring the pot than moving some fleet half the galaxy away and having them drop everything they got on the planet.


What Frontier and Delta is showing us is that NUNs has grown big and bureaucratic enough to make those swift responses a lot harder to achieve.

Aventine said:


Actually NUN should be smaller and LESS bureaucratic(but still galactic-sized), making it easier to manage. After they reformed NUN stopped exert too much control and being assholes to colonies, leaving colony defense to local forces, giving them the freedom they wanted. The NUN forces that isnt just local militias have retreated to protect more strategic zones, and have ships do patrol around instead.

YK97 said:
Just watched the newest episode 10. I feel pretty meh about the series. Being a long time macross fan, I can feel this is going to be mediocre like Frontier. I don't think they got the characters right and they almost all feel what the recent anime industry is going for. Hayate, the main, being carefree and being a noob who wanna be an ace but not there yet. The "genki" type Freyja who wanna be cute, innocent and sing. (She's less annoying than Mylene in M7 or Ranka in MF though. Good lord!) Mirage is just there, doesn't add much much, just to form the damn triangle. *facepalm*

I don't know why but the scale of the battles feel way too small compared to what we're used to in the original, M7, MP, MZ and MF. Seems like a 5vs5 battle.

The songs are very average. Just what you expect from the idol culture. I think the group is doing fine but the one who's singing for Mikumo is just the less talented in the group. She's going with Eir Aoi's vibe but her voice always bring down the song rather than adding a striking punch to the song like intended. It seems like she can't raise the tone of her voice. It's just bad when you consider she's one of the main vocals and that might hurt the sales.

I think the voice actress of Frejya, who's singing too, does a really good job. She articulate well and can distinctly vary her voice in songs. The dialect she speaks gives her an advantages for both the character and her singing ability. She does sound cute but please don't abuse it like the industry does so often.

I think the main critic is the 1-6 episodes. They were just generic. They are ok by anime standard and the new fans.(Those who started with MF) but when you face the veterans (Those who watch the first and so on.), it's disappointing and kinda heartbreaking seeing that it does not really live up to the hype of a new Macross.

They fixed the series a little bit by now but god have mercy on us to not drop a MF on us again. The Ranka and Sheryl whoring on the main was just terrible to watch.

Choostopher said:
Certainly not at Macross Frontier level and I personally dislike the music but I can't now say it isn't Macross.

The .89 episode had my jaw dropping in shock at what I considered a degeneration of the Macross franchise to a horrible girly factory fabricated J Pop shallow facade of the former series sinking even to Reconguista levels but I guess I was somewhat incorrect in my initial judgement of the show.

Positives are seeing an expanded Macross universe along with a greater role for protoculture, less of a fear that humanity is teetering on the edge of annihilation (I think that story was told) and a progress in the technology.

alva13 said:



http://myanimelist.net/people/40792/JUNNA
Fun fact mikumo singer is 15 years old

Okami_doge said:
i have never watched any of the previous Macross, this is my first one (because i dont like mecha much)
however....i have been enjoying it, this strange combination of action and music idol has been fun to watch so far
anyway, im wondering, is the previous Macross F like this ? with music and mecha? it seems to be highly rated

Okami_doge said:
i have never watched any of the previous Macross, this is my first one (because i dont like mecha much)
however....i have been enjoying it, this strange combination of action and music idol has been fun to watch so far
anyway, im wondering, is the previous Macross F like this ? with music and mecha? it seems to be highly rated

GD1551 said:
I'm surprised at the Frontier hate, I thought it was good.. had really nice fights and the characters were fine for the most part (I agree on Ranka/Sheryl being a bit much in terms of their feelings for alto).

Aventine said:


The only one where singing doesnt involve supernatural power(explained or not) is the first one... The idol thing seem to be a love-or-hate thing that get many riled up.

Fai said:


Lolwrong. Literally no idea how someone would think that after finishing SDF. IT was the original "Songs are the power" Macross, upping the idea of singing to a mythical level of making whole alien races go through adolescence. And then M7 did it literally

Fai said:


Lolwrong. Literally no idea how someone would think that after finishing SDF. IT was the original "Songs are the power" Macross, upping the idea of singing to a mythical level of making whole alien races go through adolescence. And then M7 did it literally

Zaku_Fan said:
Having a problem with the military response. It makes no sense.

You have a very small group of enemies clustered in a small area (palace) who has the ability to basically utilise a biological weapon that can neutralise your own forces and you just let them sit there while fighting defensively and failing at it (from the number of planets conquered)?

These aren't terrorists with no fixed base. They have one and its very obvious. They have caused the death of easily thousands by simply forcing a single zentradi in a missile regult to go berserk. Each time they attack, probably what tens of military personnel go bersek? Tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands die per attack? Not to mention collapsing buildings, destroyed infrasturcture, broken industry.

And still NUNs is willing to sit there and do nothing? Makes zero sense. Contract the macross quarter for one mission to fire its cannon and boom, end of palace, end of prince singing, end of aerial knights (when they end up fighting fifty to one)

Serhiyko said:

Actually it's you who is wrong, the original "Songs are the power" Macross wasn't explained by any "supernatural power" but by the cultural shock caused to the humanoids who never experienced any cultural phenomenons, such as songs or kisses. Or was shock caused by the sight of the kiss also explained by its "supernatural power"? Think about this and maybe then you will get an idea

Fai said:
Its still power of music.

Fai said:
Minmay has a very profound mystical effect upon them that can be barely explained by "oh its because its art". While it is not put into words, the music has a very tangible and definite power there.

Fai said:
And retroactively Minmay is no different from the likes of Sheryl or the idols in Delta.

Serhiyko said:

Again, it wasn't "power of music" per se, it was power of culture, and music was one of its most outstanding representatives. But any form of culture could have had effect, like that kiss scene, for instance. The kiss didn't have its effect because of the "power of music", so your argument fails


Everything you just wrote are either your judgements or sophisms, but we are not talking about personal interpretations here but facts, and the fact is that it is explained just like that


And retroactively, Minmay did not have Fold Quartz earrings or special fold abilities

Serhiyko said:

Again, it wasn't "power of music" per se, it was power of culture, and music was one of its most outstanding representatives. But any form of culture could have had effect, like that kiss scene, for instance. The kiss didn't have its effect because of the "power of music", so your argument fails


Everything you just wrote are either your judgements or sophisms, but we are not talking about personal interpretations here but facts, and the fact is that it is explained just like that


And retroactively, Minmay did not have Fold Quartz earrings or special fold abilities

Fai said:
You can keep being elitist about it

Fai said:
and say "baah they changed it", but the music is definitely taken to a mythical level in the original macross. it does not matter if you agree or not that it contains actual power, it is still something that revolutionizes an entire race.

Fai said:
Its not "an opinion" and pretty much everything is interpretation - there are no "facts" in fiction.

Fai said:
Thematically the first macross is basically about clash between utilitarianism of 60s-70s and woodstock hippies. Or are you going to just ignore that they literally won via singing? Its no different from what we see here in Delta except the show now has lore terms to define it.

NO shit Minmay was pretty much the first.

YK97 said:
You could explain M7 song power by saying that rock and roll excite people (adrenaline) while the protodevilin could not generate such substance by their own. SO they have to prey.

Right now, Macross delta is playing the "protoculture card". It's not wrong but it's really meh.

radle said:
Delta has been kinda like a wave. Some episodes are great while others are all right. The build up to a triangle is slow going on one of the characters but somewhat going great with the other character whom I am rooting for. Story-wise it needs to pick up especially after episode 12 ending like that. I'm hoping for something big but won't mislead myself with such expectations.

Also, this seems kinda strange to say seeing how Mirage's character is but would like to hear her sing at least once since Seto-chan, the seiyuu of Mirage can actually sing like so not as good as Freyja, Mikumo (JUNNA), and Kaname's seiyuu also as long as English words are kept far away from Seto-chan singing it in the lyrics it's all good.

daiyousei7 said:
I don't like it anywhere near as much as Macross Frontier but I feel like it's ok. It's completely devoid of some of the heart wrenching scenes such as those in Frontier and other Macross series. It doesn't really pull at my heart strings so to speak. It also doesn't do much to refer to the other series. It feels like Macross is going in a new direction.

AngelicTotoro said:


Now this I actually agree with. Macross F was fantastic [imo] because while it had plenty of melodrama [just like sdf and plus], most of the time it fit, it made sense and the characters had great responses to it which allowed the audience to bond w/ them.

It feels much more muted in Delta, which is a tad disappointing because with a cast this huge, I think it could use some emotional stuff to stir the characters up a bit and let them evolve.
[also, the music I hated at first but it's gotten a lot lot better. Macross F had insanely good music though, which might be why I'm having a hard time w/ Delta.]

I'm up to date [ep 12], just hoping that we get a real good reason to be invested in the love triangle and that more characters get dynamic, fast.

I'd say that at this point it's decent enough to continue watching.