The Irregular at Magic High School (light novel)
| Do I smell alot of propaganda in this anime especially in yokohama disturbance arc? |
trabeus1Sep 27, 2014 12:59 PM
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trabeus1 said: Do I smell propaganda in this anime especially in yokohama disturbance arc? Nope, just your typical bad Chinese. I knew they weren't trustworthy, damn. |
BeatzMe said: trabeus1 said: Do I smell propaganda in this anime especially in yokohama disturbance arc? Nope, just your typical bad Chinese. I knew they weren't trustworthy, damn. Well I guess thats a propaganda showing that Chinese are bad and untrustworthy and that Japanese can take care of these Chinese with no problem. It seemed like they were showing strength of the Japanese government. I wouldn't say that this is a propaganda unless if there was a single kind/trustworthy Chinese in the story because all the Chinese that were portrayed in the anime were "bad" |
trabeus1Sep 27, 2014 12:56 PM
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trabeus1 said: BeatzMe said: Nope, just your typical bad Chinese. I knew they weren't trustworthy, damn. Well I guess thats a propaganda showing that Chinese are bad and untrustworthy and that Japanese can take care of these Chinese with no problem. I was being sarcastic. I don't really care if it was tbh, but it surely felt like a very biased and one-sided depiction. Down to their admiral's (don't now his rank or name, lol) last remark before being METRIAL BURST'd concerning the Japanese being weak and hesitant just because they don't want to harm the environment, lmao. |
| You mean that parts like this Jumanji: “Is there anything about the current situation that feels off to you?” Hanzo: “There seems to be too many foreigners around here now.” Jumanji: “You think so, too, Hattori?” Hanzo: “Yes.” Jumanji: “What about you, Kirihara?” Takeaki: “Yes, sir. Compared to the convention center, the atmosphere in the city seems more strangely menacing.” could have a dash of propaganda or, xenophobia (sinophobia) even. Such a peculiar view and not at all correct. Seriously though, of course you can smell it, it's not a faint smell either, but the kind of smell you feel when you open a can of surströmming. |
metamorphiusSep 27, 2014 1:04 PM
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metamorphius said: You mean that parts like this Jumanji: “Is there anything about the current situation that feels off to you?” Hanzo: “There seems to be too many foreigners around here now.” Jumanji: “You think so, too, Hattori?” Hanzo: “Yes.” Jumanji: “What about you, Kirihara?” Takeaki: “Yes, sir. Compared to the convention center, the atmosphere in the city seems more strangely menacing.” could have a dash of propaganda or, xenophobia (sinophobia) even. Such a peculiar view and not at all correct. Seriously though, of course you can smell it, it's not a faint smell either, but the kind of smell you feel when you open a can of surströmming. I guess its one of those nationalistic mind set. Foreigners bring misfortune. |
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| Oh, wait, how could have I forgotten my all time favourite? Jumanji (in an armor that strangely resembles a samurai outfit): Defend our motherland from these despicable invaders. |
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metamorphius said: Oh, wait, how could have I forgotten my all time favourite? Jumanji (in an armor that strangely resembles a samurai outfit): Defend our motherland from these despicable invaders. haha I was forgetting about that too. oh and also the part when Masaki tried to break through Gongjin's (palace or whatever you call it) which he thought he was involved in the fight because he was "Chinese." |
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| The Japanese higher ups constantly live in fear that China will want revenge for things like the Nanking Massacre that occurred in WW2. They worry about it so much that they don't even teach their students about what Japan did in WW2. |
Chabe said: The Japanese higher ups constantly live in fear that China will want revenge for things like the Nanking Massacre that occurred in WW2. They worry about it so much that they don't even teach their students about what Japan did in WW2. I don't think that is good reference for this topic. How does this even relevant to Japanese higher ups constantly living in fear? and why also refer to Rape of Nanking or(Nanking Massacre)??? |
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trabeus1 said: Chabe said: The Japanese higher ups constantly live in fear that China will want revenge for things like the Nanking Massacre that occurred in WW2. They worry about it so much that they don't even teach their students about what Japan did in WW2. I don't think that is good reference for this topic. How does this even relevant to Japanese higher ups constantly living in fear? and why also refer to Rape of Nanking or(Nanking Massacre)??? Japan's actions in WW2 are one of the big reasons for the animosity between them and their neighbours and their anti-foreigner sentiments are still around from those days. The Japanese higher ups dictate education & policy which help form the public consciousness, which in turn lead towards this sort of propaganda. |
Chabe said: trabeus1 said: I don't think that is good reference for this topic. How does this even relevant to Japanese higher ups constantly living in fear? and why also refer to Rape of Nanking or(Nanking Massacre)??? Japan's actions in WW2 are one of the big reasons for the animosity between them and their neighbours and their anti-foreigner sentiments are still around from those days. The Japanese higher ups dictate education & policy which help form the public consciousness, which in turn lead towards this sort of propaganda. First of all propaganda exists everywhere even in America. Yes what you are saying is true but what I wanted to ask you is that when you said "Japanese higher ups constantly live in fear that China will want revenge for things like the Nanking Massacre that occurred in WW2" are you referring to the Japanese Government in the Anime or the current Japanese government in reality? |
trabeus1Sep 27, 2014 2:30 PM
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| I think he's talking about RL and how it could've had an influence on Mahouka's author's vision of China. |
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trabeus1 said: First of all Propaganda exists everywhere even in America. Yes what you are saying is true but what I wanted to ask you is that when you said "Japanese higher ups constantly live in fear that China will want revenge for things like the Nanking Massacre that occurred in WW2" are you referring to the Japanese Government in the Anime or the current Japanese government in reality? Propaganda does exist everywhere yes, but we're talking about specific anti-chinese/foreigner propaganda in Japan, hence the WW2 references. Both the real and imaginary governments I imagine. If you look at the news you'll see that a sizeable portion of the Japanese government (not a majority mind you) are pushing for re-militarization and tearing up the treaty they signed after WW2. Also, it is a fact that the majority of young Japanese know NOTHING of their country's past warcrimes. It just doesn't get taught in their school, that is clearly very wrong and shows that Japan still thinks they were in the right in WW2. |
GangstaPriest said: I think he's talking about RL and how it could've had an influence on Mahouka's author's vision of China. Yeah that what I thought after seeing his second post, but I thought his answer was a bit obscure Chabe said: trabeus1 said: First of all Propaganda exists everywhere even in America. Yes what you are saying is true but what I wanted to ask you is that when you said "Japanese higher ups constantly live in fear that China will want revenge for things like the Nanking Massacre that occurred in WW2" are you referring to the Japanese Government in the Anime or the current Japanese government in reality? Propaganda does exist everywhere yes, but we're talking about specific anti-chinese/foreigner propaganda in Japan, hence the WW2 references. Both the real and imaginary governments I imagine. If you look at the news you'll see that a sizeable portion of the Japanese government (not a majority mind you) are pushing for re-militarization and tearing up the treaty they signed after WW2. Also, it is a fact that the majority of young Japanese know NOTHING of their country's past warcrimes. It just doesn't get taught in their school, that is clearly very wrong and shows that Japan still thinks they were in the right in WW2. Yes it is true that the Japanese government does not show any sympathy towards the crime they have made during the WW2. It is also true that "some" schools restrict from teaching student these historical events, but still many schools in Japan does teach such events, thus they learn that it is a wrong doing. I am aware of this because I myself have been to Japan and talked with many young Japanese people. They showed sympathy towards their government's action and admitted that it is something to be apologized. I'm not saying all the young Japanese are well taught but majority of them knew the presence of WW2. Of course there still will be Japanese that will have these nationalistic thoughts and support the right wing but they are the minority. What I am seeing from you is superiority towards the young Japanese and biased point of view which is assuring that majority of young Japanese are not aware of this because of such government. If you are learning everything from what the media is saying, most of the time they exaggerating things and shows biased point of view. Even if its the minorities they show it as a majority to make it a big deal to grab peoples attention. Edit: P.S Please do not think many Japanese people hate foreigners and that they support the Japanese government. If you see unbiased articles online you can see articles about people disagreeing with the government and some setting fire on themselves (protesting) because of the government. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
VudisSep 29, 2014 8:49 AM
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| If this is so then I guess the Baseball episode in Samurai Champloo is propaganda also and any anime that shows Americans in a negative light is Japanese propaganda and racist. |
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trabeus1 said: Do I smell alot of propaganda in this anime especially in yokohama disturbance arc? Yes,there is obvious propaganda here. I read a bit of Mahouka spoiler and it seems Chinese negative portrayal does not end here in Yokohama arc. Here's what other blogger have to said beside moesuck. They also notice the racism. http://blog.draggle.org/mahouka-23-nothing-happens-again/ |
ZapredonSep 28, 2014 2:55 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| It IS propaganda. Or at least, it's a highly racist screed written by the Japanese equivalent of a Neo-Nazi with the Chinese as his punching bag. The series constantly advocates violence against the Chinese (no one bats an eye at the horrific things done to them in the series) and it glorifies Japan as MOST GRORIOUS NATION ON EARTH. |
| I dunno, probably because I've read way too many Alt-history and sci-fi but this seems to be standard nationalist writing style. It permeates even western literature and novels. If anyone here has read books during the Cold War era, you'll see how "evil" Russians are in the same light or even today in this post-9/11 era we have a lot of irrational fears of people of Middle Eastern descent in certain communities. While it's nice to have people actually arguing that warfare itself is immoral, it's not that good to argue that it's only the Japanese doing this kind of writing. Still it's an interesting one to think about. The GAA was the one who started the war and I can't remember whether it was mentioned, but they were deploying their own strategic-level magician in that fleet that was going to invade Japan. Which looking at their initial push a few years back would have been in civilian areas. Considering that the attack only affected a military naval base with nary a civilian death...is quite the achievement considering our current "asymmetric" push-button warfare in the Middle East. Then again, this war in Mahouka is a more traditional realist Great Powers war than a non-state actor one. |
| Who cares about being bad or not, as long as it is enjoyable im watching it...if you dont think so or hate something from Japanese anime series then stop watch it. Chinese making tons of sh!tty movie and drama even more than this, no one comments though. Mod Edit: Removed unnecessary baiting comments and things that'll likely cause problems. |
TyrelSep 28, 2014 1:06 AM
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rladls717 said: My point about Champloo was about how all the American baseball players were portrayed (ugly, pompous worthless cheaters).Samurai Champloo showed where Japanese and Americans played baseball against each other. As of result, Japan looked like won the match, but in an outlawful way. But this is not much of a big deal, since it is basically about which country is better at a baseball game, that is it, no ill will. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
VudisSep 29, 2014 8:55 AM
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| I will just leave this here. No,I didn't write this. Found it somewhere else. For lovers of Anime and Manga, we have long been aware that both genres have its roots in the Japanese student rebellions in the 1960s, which forever changed the ethos of these genres from the propaganda-driven tones during the pre-war and WWII period. During and before the War, animated films such as Momotaro: Umi no Shinpei was prevalently screened by the Japanese Imperial Army to support its war efforts, however, the Japanese students have introduced the progressive ethos of animated films like Akira and taken over the genre by captivating the hearts of modern Japanese men and women through its honest critique of the project of modernity. It is for this reason that Anime and Manga gets a bad name amongst the more conservative crowd. Many academics such as Kinsella have spilled much ink identifying the progressive nature of even seemingly innocuous sub-genres like the 'slice-of-life' kawaii animes and manga in its role to empower women via embracing child-like freedom. For most fans, propaganda animes have taken a backseat and have lost mass appeal, as they are synonymous with low-quality productions such as those made by the Aum Shinrikyo cult. Unfortunately, Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei, seem to go against this progressive tide to preach a militarist, racist, and hateful message beneath the facade of a Harry Potter-like tale of wizardry. What scares me most about this particular series, is the impressive artwork, fight scenes, and adaptation of stock relationships (such as imouto/oni-chan love) that have wide appeal to the general public. I, myself, was bought in by these elements at first and was very excited about Mahouka when it was first released, describing it as a Japanese-version of Harry Potter, where the lead character is a bit of the stereotypical cool guy with unknowable depths of emotion. Gradually, however, the plot began to worry me. The story shifts its tone from an exploration of the negative stereotypes that magicians have of non-magicians in school (notice how this totally sounds like a muggle vs wizard) to a terrorist plot by non-magicians. Towards the end of this arc, it became clear that there will be no resolution to the magical world's social divide; in fact, this arc goes a step beyond and reify the social order. The underlying message was that one should not rock the fabric of social reality, but instead, if you are capable, like the lead character Tatsuya, you would raise the ranks even if you are not recognised as a magician. I was also shocked by the storyline's introduction of Chinese terrorists and rebels as indiscriminate individuals that consistently targeted innocent Japanese students and encouraged them to revolt without any clear cause of action. Later, these terrorist even hatched a plot to steal technology and start a war (which of course, is dutifully put down by the student council) again without any depiction of their cause or reason for fighting. It appears that they are evil for the sake of being evil, and are incredibly Chinese in their evilness. This gaping hole in the plot is swept under the carpet by a brief reference to a greater war that is waged outside of the magical school halls, which the audience have little to no information about. From the second arc onwards (nine schools competition), these Chinese 'terrorists' began to take shape as ghouls and monsters from the background, where the only information we have of them are snippets of them discussing (in a room adorned with Chinese symbols and iconography) how best they can manipulate a high school competition to win bets. In a later arc, another group of very Chinese terrorists plot to sabotage a symposium to gain early access to technology that the magicians have invented. One terrorist, named as Lu Gonghu, was depicted as a merciless evil man, who everyone seemed to hate, but no one really knows why he's so driven to hate and evil. Another terrorist was depicted as being sub-human, and blindly following the orders of the Triad, trying to cause massive damage to the school. Thus, they are nothing more than stock racist caricatures, whose sole intention is to convince the audience to hate these 'Chinese Terrorists'. In turn, these nameless, characterless, and faceless caricatures are killed by student magicians without a second thought during pitched battles. In one particularly cruel assassination by Tatsuya, where he shoots an unarmed man point blank despite his grovelling, Tatsuya explains that the Triad have attempted to hurt his sister, which he cannot forgive, thus, projecting the 'purity' of his family, against the hateful 'foreign' enemies. There is no redeeming the plot of this anime as it becomes clear to me, after 25 episodes that the series preached nothing but militaristic ethos, thinly veiled by a Harry Potter theme. Episode after episode, we are introduced to magicians who discover their full potential, and then use their talents on battles to win honour and glory via indiscriminate killing, which is always justified by the evil deeds of the terrorists themselves. 'This is War' appears to be the justification. In this light, it becomes clear that Tatsuya is merely a reincarnation of the Bushido warrior set in a futuristic magical time, where his stoic depths of emotion are reserved for the purity of his sister. He is also a technologically inclined man who has the superhuman ability to logically breakdown problems and then solving them with his innovation (did I mention that he's also the CEO of a weapons company?). For these reasons, I rate this anime a 0 watermelon out of 5 watermelons, due to its truly despicable theme. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| I'm laughing at people that says this is racist.Did anything in the LN's and anime said that the Chinese people or even the government were evil?Further in the LN's it's homegrown trouble and 10 MC backstabbing,does that make the author unpatriotic showcasing the Japanese as evil behind the scenes masterminds? So any fiction that shows another country as the antagonist is racist?The Chinese here are not that badly portrayed compared to foreigners in the James Bond movies or American comics :) Don't tell you also think that Code Geas with the way they portrayed Britain as evil blood thirsty,racist? :heh |
darkreaperix said: Don't tell you also think that Code Geas with the way they portrayed Britain as evil blood thirsty,racist? :heh Holy Britannian Empire in CG, like Catholic Church in most of anime, apart from symbols and name is almost unrelatable to real one. Heck, Britain is not even part of it. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
| An jakkubus said: darkreaperix said: Don't tell you also think that Code Geas with the way they portrayed Britain as evil blood thirsty,racist? :heh Holy Britannian Empire in CG, like Catholic Church in most of anime, apart from symbols and name is almost unrelatable to real one. Heck, Britain is not even part of it. And the GAA isn't???? :heh Unless China now uses ancient magics and giant mecha with chainsaws and conquered most of asia :) |
darkreaperix said: And the GAA isn't???? :heh Unless China now uses ancient magics and giant mecha with chainsaws and conquered most of asia :) No, it isn't. GAA civilization is much closer to real China. Even spells are based on their culture. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
jakkubus said: darkreaperix said: And the GAA isn't???? :heh Unless China now uses ancient magics and giant mecha with chainsaws and conquered most of asia :) No, it isn't. GAA civilization is much closer to real China. Even spells are based on their culture. China now uses ancient magics,have giant mecha's with chainsaws and conquered almost the whole of asia?Ok,I'll take your word for it. So the Holy Britannia empire isn't near Great Britain?Just that they are British?Amd the Catholic chruch in most anime like Index and Hellsing isn't like the Cathloic Church just that 90% of it is like in the real world,with the exception that they are power hungry bastards?They even have popes and priest :heh |
darkreaperix said: I'm laughing at people that says this is racist.Did anything in the LN's and anime said that the Chinese people or even the government were evil?Further in the LN's it's homegrown trouble and 10 MC backstabbing,does that make the author unpatriotic showcasing the Japanese as evil behind the scenes masterminds? So any fiction that shows another country as the antagonist is racist?The Chinese here are not that badly portrayed compared to foreigners in the James Bond movies or American comics :) Don't tell you also think that Code Geas with the way they portrayed Britain as evil blood thirsty,racist? :heh It is pretty clear in the anime that they are implying Chinese as the bad guys. Let me ask you something Do you think the author will literally say "fuck the Chinese" " they are fucking scum bastards" Do you seriously think they will write something like this in the book? So you are saying that since the author did not say anything implying to a specific nationality its not racist? It clearly shows and implies the Chinese are the bad ones. If the anime showed an evil character of other nationality then I wouldn't say this anime is showing propaganda but the only bad ones here are the Chinese. when you said the Chinese here are not that badly portrayed compare to a live action movie. You are still admitting that the Chinese are still portrayed as the bad guys. Please do not compare this with a live action movies. We are talking about Animation. If you pay attention to the anime and watch carefully there is a bit of racism, nationalism, propaganda, sinophobia (like metamorphius mentioned earlier) within the episodes. |
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darkreaperix said: China now uses ancient magics,have giant mecha's with chainsaws and conquered almost the whole of asia?Ok,I'll take your word for it. So for you mecha's with chainsaws are indicators of culture? Are you living on battlefield? So the Holy Britannia empire isn't near Great Britain?Just that they are British?Amd the Catholic chruch in most anime like Index and Hellsing isn't like the Cathloic Church just that 90% of it is like in the real world,with the exception that they are power hungry bastards?They even have popes and priest :heh I already answered to that in ealier post. |
No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded. |
konatachan80 said: Why compare media only produced in a single country, and not the media produced just about everywhere? I think kuraiken has a point.  Because tu quoque is a shitty argument and doesn't invalidate that Mahouka is a racist and xenophobic work on par with the Turner Diaries and does basically everything but outright say that Chinese/Koreans are dangerous scum trying to undermine YAMATO DAMASHII. I think kuraiken is speaking out of his ass, fwiw. I mean really? Just registered to say that? I wonder whose alt is that. |
metamorphius said: You mean that parts like this Jumanji: “Is there anything about the current situation that feels off to you?” Hanzo: “There seems to be too many foreigners around here now.” Jumanji: “You think so, too, Hattori?” Hanzo: “Yes.” Jumanji: “What about you, Kirihara?” Takeaki: “Yes, sir. Compared to the convention center, the atmosphere in the city seems more strangely menacing.” could have a dash of propaganda or, xenophobia (sinophobia) even. Such a peculiar view and not at all correct. Seriously though, of course you can smell it, it's not a faint smell either, but the kind of smell you feel when you open a can of surströmming. metamorphius said: Oh, wait, how could have I forgotten my all time favourite? Jumanji (in an armor that strangely resembles a samurai outfit): Defend our motherland from these despicable invaders. It really only got worse in the recent arc, it's quite disturbing to see how people defend this kind of writing. Then again, a lot of people back then legitimately believed in Nationalsocialism, Stalinism and Mao's cultural revolution. I assume some people will always be this backwards... Also, this: wrenchbread said: Because tu quoque is a shitty argument and doesn't invalidate that Mahouka is a racist and xenophobic work on par with the Turner Diaries and does basically everything but outright say that Chinese/Koreans are dangerous scum trying to undermine YAMATO DAMASHII. |
NidhoeggrSep 28, 2014 9:46 AM
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konatachan80 said: I don't know about you, but in a wartime situation it would be rather logical to question it if it happened. Please, tell me more about it. I would have never thought about that perspective. It literally opens new horizons before me. |
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konatachan80 said: but you just had to read it like the devil reads the bible You know in the context of this anime, this is insanely humorous. |
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konatachan80 said: You don't think it was meant to show that the people in the street etc had changed? In other words, if you frequent a particular street which is usually filled mostly locals, and suddenly one day its filled with anything but. It's funny because only magic highschoolers, useless adults and evil Chinese exist in Mahoukaverse. The streets are always empty. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
wrenchbread said: konatachan80 said: Why compare media only produced in a single country, and not the media produced just about everywhere? I think kuraiken has a point. Because tu quoque is a shitty argument and doesn't invalidate that Mahouka is a racist and xenophobic work on par with the Turner Diaries and does basically everything but outright say that Chinese/Koreans are dangerous scum trying to undermine YAMATO DAMASHII. I think kuraiken is speaking out of his ass, fwiw. I mean really? Just registered to say that? I wonder whose alt is that. I'm glad Giant Bomb is making its way into MAL. Not to mean to bring this a little off topic or anything. Times are changing. Not even the evil Chinese bastards can hold it back. I understand Mahouka is the Bible? Can someone clarify? |
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skudoops said: kuraiken said: As much as it may sometimes see to be nothing but propaganda, sometimes, for certain conflicts, there simply isn't much choice in who you set up as the antagonist. It's not only about who you chose as an antagonist, it's also how you portray them. 80% of American media (be it movies,comics,tv shows,etc) that uses foreigners as an antagonist portrays then as incompetent evil bastards,does that make American authors/writers racists?I don't think so.Just think about it.You may be reading to much about it.As I pinted out already further LN's doesn't depict the Japanese as good people too,does that make the author unpatriotic?Nope.But you'll probably just ignore this post and keep on forcing that it's racists so anyway.... I'll just keep on laughing on people that treats fiction as reality :heh |
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