| There is little someone can do about rape, it's rape after all, against your will, if the victim could do something about it they definitely would but there is no sense in blaming someone who has no power over the situaton. |
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| I agree with most of what you said, especially the part about intoxication. Mod Edit: Removed statements about the progression of the thread (off-topic). |
KinetaFeb 24, 2014 10:51 AM
| So what would this responsibility for being ignorant/lacking common sense contribute to, exactly? Does your idea involve going up to the victim of rape and stating "Now, we all know that it was the other person that raped you. But don't you agree that this is your own fault as well?" Maybe not with those exact words, but with the same message. Because as much as I'd like to be wrong on this, one can't fully prevent the possibility of someone lacking common sense and getting into a situation like that beforehand. And lecturing the victim about it after it has happened wouldn't do much either, as you'd assume that the victim is going to be a lot more careful in the future even without reminding about it separately. |
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KinetaFeb 24, 2014 10:51 AM
| Lets all just stay inside our homes! (even than you are not safe from rape) Even males get raped sometimes. |
| So, you're saying that people put themselves in a bad situation and bad things happen to them This isn't new or revolutionary, I don't see the ultimate point you're making here "People are not always at their most intelligent"? |
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wubikro said: Are you serous? So basically ALL the victims of rape were people drunk in a room full of unknown people? None of them were simple people walking in the street while someone suddenly knocks them down and drags them to a nearby forest and rapes them? (happened in Brazil)GuusWayne said: There is little someone can do about rape, it's rape after all, against your will, if the victim could do something about they definitely would but there is no sense in blaming someone who has no power over the situaton. I'm not blaming the victim for the rape. The rapists alone are responsible for the rape, but who's responsible for the victim willingly getting intoxicated past the point of consciousness in a room full of people they hardly know? Doesn't mean the person is asking or deserves to get raped, but they're putting themselves into a position where their chances of being raped are exponentially higher than normal. Mod Edit: Removed baiting statement. |
KinetaFeb 24, 2014 10:49 AM
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Too much shit going on in real life to bother much, so I'll keep this at one post this time. I'll say this, OP is part of the problem... and I hope he/she never has to go through rape and understand what receiving the blame that he/she so readily dishes can do to your mental health. OP, even if I looked at this from your point of view, and pretended that most rapes are the result of the victim doing something careless or reckless, why would you do that? Why, instead of encouraging women to be cautious, would you turn your focus on those who have already been through hell? Why would you do that to someone? Do you not understand the nonstop hell we must live after rape? Do you not understand that we NEVER get over it? Do you not understand that we learn to live with it, but not to forget it? That it never goes away? That every day is agony for many of us? That it's constant flashbacks and nightmares? Countless hours of tears and screaming in fear from something that isn't even there, but we can't convince ourselves of that? Do you not understand the aftermath of this kind of crime? Do you not understand that it's a struggle to not let being a victim of rape effect everything in your life? That you are never the same after... that you can not think the same... can not trust... can not feel comfortable.... So why do you feel there is some necessity to make rape victims feel even more pain? Punish them more? Shame them more? Because... you know... rape didn't ruin them enough, you have to go in for the kill and add to the mental anguish. Do you really think rape victims don't spend years upon years thinking "I shouldn't have done that...." "I should have done this..." "maybe if I only....". Do you REALLY think saying these things is going to make some light flip on in our head "OOOOOOOH! THAT must be why it happened". Trust me, any rape victim can give you a list of what they think they did wrong or could have changed to have prevented it. You are not being righteous and helpful to us by lecturing rape victims about shoulda woulda coulda. Given rates of rape across the globe in countries that have varying degree of open sexuality, modesty, and proper feminine conduct, I strongly believe that the only way to decrease rape is to encourage women to come forward and NOT treat them like the criminals, which is exactly what you are doing here. There are countries where a rape victim will go to JAIL if she comes forward to report the rape, because they see her as being equally at fault. Rapes are reported far less, but guess what? They still happen all the time -_- And trust me, we get blamed plenty for it. The only good it does is push victims to take their own life to escape the ridicule. What good do you think will come of your post? If your goal here is to prevent rapes, focus on the ones who haven't been through it, and leave those of us who have alone. |
JadeQuetzalFeb 24, 2014 8:19 AM
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| I think it depends on a case by case bases. For example. There is a woman that dresses in tight reavealing clothes, cock teases, acts like a total bitch, lives in a bad area, walks alone one night. The predictable happens to her from someone she treated like shit. There are consequences to ones actions. You don't have a free pass to treat anyone like shit. Mind you the rapist is also at fault. Two wrongs don't make a right. But thats the point. Two Wrongs. Plus there are precautions and strings of logic one must take up. For example, would you go into a cave and poke a bear then blame the bear for mauling you? A woman should not walk in places alone at night in seedy clothing. Also not all rape is at the hands of males, I happen to know a guy that was raped by a girl. She basically got him into a closet and she stripped and went "You'll stay right there and I'll do what I want with you, if you object, then I'll scream." And so it went. In his case he should not have went anywhere alone with her, but he was not at fault. Just like some woman drinking in her own home and a person breaks in on her and rapes her, then the rapists is purely at fault, though the woman should have been wise enough to not get that drunk, however she is not at fault. In this world we should expect a level of safety, but acknowladge it isn't always there. And that you or anyone else can do as they want in some socities. Just remember anyone can also do what they want to you in return. Cause and effect. However that doesn't make either party right. In my first case if I were a judge, the Male would do time, and the female I would in private give a lecture to and ask her to seek consouling and discontinue her previous actions and learn from them. Mod Edit: Removed possible baiting statement. |
KinetaFeb 24, 2014 10:49 AM
| Ohhhh man. Maybe it's the whole "treat others like you would want to be treated" thing? If you were placed in their situation, would you rather have sympathy or condemnation? |
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| The thing is that the fact that most rape victims didn't see it coming - doesn't mean they couldn't have seen it coming so it is partially their fault for not being prepared enough. At the same time, you can't just expect people to prepare for things like this during their whole lives - worrying over every little thing can be worse than experiencing what you were worrying about in the first place. |
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Gutsa said: Lets all just stay inside our homes! (even than you are not safe from rape) Even males get raped sometimes. Nobody here said they didn't? |
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| warning: GRAPHIC your "similar" examples - getting mugged b/c you are dressed up in a shitty area, leaving your car door unlocked is an invitation to be robbed. these are incredibly shoddy comparisons to rape do those examples bear the possiblity that your vagina and anus just might end up horrifically torn up and bloody? that you may end up with a lifetime of psychological damage? i'm pretty goddamn sure the answer is no i won't even address your major comments about a woman's invitation to be raped as indicated by intoxication or choice of clothing. Mod Edit: Removed possible baiting statement. |
KinetaFeb 24, 2014 10:47 AM
| Your line of reasoning is good OP. But there's really nothing to discuss here. People already misunderstood your intention for making this thread and that seems like the only area for discussion (albeit in a very negative way). I also highly doubt people even read your opening post completely without heavy bias of their own approaching such a sensitive topic. And that is understandable as well. Mod Edit: Removed statements about the progression of the thread (off-topic). |
KinetaFeb 24, 2014 10:43 AM
| I think I get what you're trying to say, but it's a very sensitive topic so it's easy for people to get offended. However I think instead of making people be careful not to put themselves in a position where they are at risk of getting raped we should work more on prosecuting rapists in order to help lower rape statistics. Unfortunately, this is also difficult. It's very difficult to find evidence. Statistically, only 37% (that's only over a third!) of reported rapes are prosecuted, and only 18% of those prosecuted rapes get a conviction. However, we also can't convict every person who is accused of rape as this would lead to false accusations and people's lives getting ruined. It's very difficult to prosecute and find evidence for rape, as it is often one word against another. The reality is sad. |
RedArmyShogun said: I totally agree with this. Also, I tend to see people believe that most rapes are violent. No, actually they're not, some women actually have orgasms during rape, that's because it's a "mechanical" thing. And to add some more, it's not because women are less respected, no sir, no, this happens because people tend to take advantage of certain situations, taking into considerations that these people have severe problems from socioeconomical points of views, or they have a grudge against the victim, or they're sadists, or crazy for power fantasies or are psychopathic, or they simply want sexual gratification. Oh, there are also some "unfounded" sociobiological theories of rape, but they're unfounded. Mod Edit: Modified and spoilered quote. |
KinetaFeb 24, 2014 10:41 AM
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| I don't think I get the talk about victim being held responsible. But as with all crimes I believe that if the victim provoked the perpetrator or made way for the crime to a certain degree, there should be a reduction in penalty. Like op's skimpy-clothes-drug-party example, a drugged guy would have a harder time controlling himself if a barely-clothed female is throwing herself at him so I think he should get less punishment than an ordinary rapist. |
| It's prudent not to put yourself in a vulnerable situation where you are likely to be harmed. This applies to males and females alike. |
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Noldorin said: I don't think I get the talk about victim being held responsible. But as with all crimes I believe that if the victim provoked the perpetrator or made way for the crime to a certain degree, there should be a reduction in penalty. Like op's skimpy-clothes-drug-party example, a drugged guy would have a harder time controlling himself if a barely-clothed female is throwing herself at him so I think he should get less punishment than an ordinary rapist. As if rape sentences weren't already short enough. |
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cabacc2 said: Dont get me wrong here, but you are strongly emotional biased. Yes. I am. And how does that take away from my opinion? If you have been through it or have been closely involved with any situation of this nature, then you are bias. If you have not been through it and have no personal experience with the topic past knowing someone who has, or reading about it in the news, then your ability to understand the weight of your suggestions is extremely limited. You are basically going into the topic blind. Yes, I have been through it. How does my bias negate anything I say? Is that to say that the only opinion that should hold any ground is that of those who have never even been through it? I am offering up the perspective of someone who IS emotionally bias because the implications one makes on this topic are not just theoretical suggestions. They DO effect the mental state of rape victims who might read this or hear about it later. See, this whole topic is discussing how to treat rape victims. If I'm a rape victim, do I have no say in how I am treated because I am bias? What are we... animals? OP seems to have the goal of wanting to prevent further incidents, however ignorant I feel his comments are. At least it seems his heart is in the right place. However, addressing victims of rape in such a manner will do no good, as I previously stated. I HAVE been addressed in that way by people who know absolutely nothing of my situation nor the psychology behind it. Particularly shortly after the incident, you know what it does? It doesn't make us think "oh well, at least I learned a lesson" It makes us hate ourselves. When we have not yet learned to block out asinine comments like that, it makes us hate who we are. It is pure torture. It makes living with ourselves an unbearable punishment. I will not look at this situation from an unbias perspective, because what's at stake here is literally the mental health of the victims. I AM a survivor, so I'm telling you here and now that approaching it like this will NOT help. As I said... don't come at those of us who have already been raped saying "oh, but you're partially responsible". Instead, address those who have not had that misfortune, and inform them of your suggested measures of precaution. Going at the rape victims is not a way to help them, it's a way to vent your frustration that a victim might have the audacity to complain when you feel they brought it on themselves, even when you don't word it as such. (by "you" i mean people in general who want to lay any fault on the victims) Obviously I disagree that you can lay ANY fault on the victim (i'm not even touching that right now) but even if you feel you can, I want to know what good you think guilting a victim will do... aside from some sadistic pleasure one may derive from making them suffer even further. |
JadeQuetzalFeb 24, 2014 10:20 AM
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Shiratori99 said: Noldorin said: I don't think I get the talk about victim being held responsible. But as with all crimes I believe that if the victim provoked the perpetrator or made way for the crime to a certain degree, there should be a reduction in penalty. Like op's skimpy-clothes-drug-party example, a drugged guy would have a harder time controlling himself if a barely-clothed female is throwing herself at him so I think he should get less punishment than an ordinary rapist. As if rape sentences weren't already short enough. I don't agree with this reasoning for lowering sentences... "Hey, that dude pissed me off so hard while I was on drugs, I'm sorry, I had to stab him." The problem is that because of certain reasons we can't say it out loud that the victim of the murder was an idiot for pissing off a junkie, the same way goes for rape, I want to speak the truth aloud, it's still a rape, but it doesn't mean that none of these two examples did put oil on the fucking fire. Mod Edit: Removed possible baiting statements. |
KinetaFeb 24, 2014 10:39 AM
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JadeQuetzal said: Once they've been raped once, people are gonna be cautious anyway. What OP is saying that one should instruct people to be cautious BEFORE it happens. Nothing wrong with that. Mod Edit: Spoilered quote. |
KinetaFeb 24, 2014 10:39 AM
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| @ JadeQuetzal and that is the problem you have an emotional attachment to the issue. The law must be impartial, though I do agree rape victims should not be put down or told "they deserved it.". In my previous example the fictional woman DID deserve some form of revenge thrown on her for her actions. If you wag a piece of meat at a dog that you have kicked, don't be surprised when it takes your hand. Am I saying it is right? No. But it was set in stone from her actions, should she be allowed to do what she wants when she wants just because? No. Any society that gave special treatment like that to any one group is setting its self up for resentment and eventual pay back. However in the case of the male friend I know, and the other hypothetical case, neither of the victims can be faulted for anything, than being too trusting of the world. And thus while I see rape as unquestionablly a crime, in some ways its like Murder. Why did that one guy kill the other one next door? Questions like these must be asked in the deliberations. The why is more important in many cases than the what. For example under passionate law, or blank slate laws, you can have two men that comment theft, one as he wanted that nice radio, another as he wanted something to eat. In some cases, while a raped person might not want to hear those words, they might have some truth. In many ways rape is a crime of conquest and revenge, as you don't want to, or can't cross the road into murder. Also with the way its handled now, it either is too harsh on males, or not harsh enough. Its a insanely varried issue. It is a very troubling social issue. One that can't be solved with bars alone. People most learn to conduct themselves in a orderly manner, people most learn to trust the law and come forth when such happens. And lastly the Law must prove it serves the needs of the people and society. But you did bring up a neat point. That people arn't animals. Are we? I would beg to differ. Most of the collective human race I've observed is barely better than animals, where fear and rewards is the only thing keeping them in order, and unless an issue is DIRECTLY affecting them, for the most they could care less. In most regards rape is, regardless of the sex doing it, the most beastilly of crimes, and shows in many ways, while people may no longer be animals, they still pretty much are children. For what it is Worth I am sorry for your ordeal, nor do I think victims should be pressed down on, but we can't ignore the cases where provacations do happen. Only a society that can look at all angles and then make rules of conduct will be able to beat such a problem. So while my comment can be taken as the woman deserved it. Thats not the case. It is in cases like those albit rare, to look at the total picture, and make those issues no longer acceaptable. Drinking till you pass out, dressing in what makes a person body hanging out, or treating a person like crap as you think you are untouchable. In every case in spite of the why, whoever did the crime should be imprissoned. But we must look at the social issues of WHY it happend, and tackle those as well. |
RedArmyShogunFeb 24, 2014 11:17 AM
Immahnoob said: Shiratori99 said: Noldorin said: I don't think I get the talk about victim being held responsible. But as with all crimes I believe that if the victim provoked the perpetrator or made way for the crime to a certain degree, there should be a reduction in penalty. Like op's skimpy-clothes-drug-party example, a drugged guy would have a harder time controlling himself if a barely-clothed female is throwing herself at him so I think he should get less punishment than an ordinary rapist. As if rape sentences weren't already short enough. I don't agree with this reasoning for lowering sentences... "Hey, that dude pissed me off so hard while I was on drugs, I'm sorry, I had to stab him." The problem is that because of certain reasons we can't say it out loud that the victim of the murder was an idiot for pissing off a junkie, the same way goes for rape, I want to speak the truth aloud, it's still a rape, but it doesn't mean that none of these two examples did put oil on the fucking fire. Mod Edit: Removed possible baiting statements. For me the same logic from my example should apply to yours as well. Afaik this is how legal systems in most countries work too. You can't decide whether someone is guilty without considering everything that factored into that crime incident and try to look at it as objectively as possible. |
Noldorin said: Immahnoob said: Shiratori99 said: Noldorin said: I don't think I get the talk about victim being held responsible. But as with all crimes I believe that if the victim provoked the perpetrator or made way for the crime to a certain degree, there should be a reduction in penalty. Like op's skimpy-clothes-drug-party example, a drugged guy would have a harder time controlling himself if a barely-clothed female is throwing herself at him so I think he should get less punishment than an ordinary rapist. As if rape sentences weren't already short enough. I don't agree with this reasoning for lowering sentences... "Hey, that dude pissed me off so hard while I was on drugs, I'm sorry, I had to stab him." The problem is that because of certain reasons we can't say it out loud that the victim of the murder was an idiot for pissing off a junkie, the same way goes for rape, I want to speak the truth aloud, it's still a rape, but it doesn't mean that none of these two examples did put oil on the fucking fire. Mod Edit: Removed possible baiting statements. For me the same logic from my example should apply to yours as well. Afaik this is how legal systems in most countries work too. You can't decide whether someone is guilty without considering everything that factored into that crime incident and try to look at it as objectively as possible. Diminished responsibility doesn't come in if the user was influenced by drugs, alcohol, etc or psychopathic disorders. I am looking at it from an objective point of view, the law is objective in it's own context. |
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cabacc2 said: JadeQuetzal said: Dont get me wrong here, but you are strongly emotional biased. OP does not want to take away the responsibility of the rapists, neither does he want to punish the victims or encourage potentional rapists. He just said that the victims are responsible for putting themselves into a position of vulnerability. This does not mean that the victims are totally responsible of the rape that happend. But one should reflect their intent before acting. Maybe it would help if we looked at a similar situation without biases: You go out on an open field during a huge thunderstorm. You get struck dead by a thunderbolt. Is it your fault that you died? If your actions triggered the incident directly, is it your fault? I would say: It is, partially. The analogy I made fails at one point: When it comes to the responsibility of the perpetrator. But it should be clear how the responsibility of the victim in this case is. If your actions trigger the assault directly, it is partially your responsibility. This does not take away the responsibility of the perpetrator if course. and no: the victim should not be punished for it. This would be insane. daintybiscuit said: this is what analogys do. An analogy is a comparison between two different things in order to highlight some point of similarity. Of course the anal rape is different from the car being stolen. But both are physical/psychological harms that are done to the victim. If they were equal, it woudnt be an analogy. The similarity is the crime that goes hand in hand with the damage that was caused by it. Mod Edit: Merged double post and spoilered quotes. reverse: Why can't rapists just exercise some self control in the face of "slutty" clothes or intoxication? Does lack of self control make it ok? Is it ok to rob a car b/c it is unlocked? Is it ok to mug someone b/c they are well dressed? No. i'm not sure what the "problem" is either, but i have no wish to argue with other posters on a personal level, so, enough said. |
| Actually, Dainty, it's kind of a fact that an unlocked car will have higher chances of being robbed, just like being mugged if you seem "rich" (actually, it's more of a "can he fight back?" type of thing). |
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Immahnoob said: Actually, Dainty, it's kind of a fact that an unlocked car will have higher chances of being robbed, just like being mugged if you seem "rich" (actually, it's more of a "can he fight back?" type of thing). it may be a fact, but is it ok to do it? |
daintybiscuit said: Immahnoob said: Actually, Dainty, it's kind of a fact that an unlocked car will have higher chances of being robbed, just like being mugged if you seem "rich" (actually, it's more of a "can he fight back?" type of thing). it may be a fact, but is it ok to do it? Nobody argued it's ok. |
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| Nobody CAN argue it's okay unless you're bringing in context with it, but then it's like "No." in every case. It doesn't matter if it's okay or not, having an accident isn't okay but it can totally happen that you fall out of your car if you leave your doors open and start running on the streets at 180 km/h. |
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| i apologise if people in general think i am pointing to them in particular, saying that i think those people somehow approve it was merely part of my argument that just b/c illegal activities occur (inc. rape) doesn't mean its ok - even when someone looks like a slut, leaves their car open, dresses up in economically challenged areas (lol, pulled that one out of my ass) again, part of a general argument about... morality, i guess! |
| I'm not saying this is the case with all rape but a large percentage of it has the women in revealing clothing. We all have desires and the way women dress these days it's like they want to get raped, it's very provoking. I'd say they have a responsibility in that aspect. |
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GuusWayne said: I'm not saying this is the case with all rape but a large percentage of it has the women in revealing clothing, I'm just saying we all have desires and the way women dress these days it's like they want to get raped, it's very provoking. stahp |
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Immahnoob said: Noldorin said: For me the same logic from my example should apply to yours as well. Afaik this is how legal systems in most countries work too. You can't decide whether someone is guilty without considering everything that factored into that crime incident and try to look at it as objectively as possible. Diminished responsibility doesn't come in if the user was influenced by drugs, alcohol, etc or psychopathic disorders. I am looking at it from an objective point of view, the law is objective in it's own context. Is this your personal opinion or the law in your country? Laws about alcohol and drugs likely differ between countries. But I'm pretty sure in most countries if it's proven that a guy has a mental disorder that caused him to commit a crime he may not even go to the jail but be sent to an asylum instead. Surely you can't hold a sane and unsane person responsible for their actions to the same degree? Mod Edit: quote tower put under spoiler tag. |
ThangLongFeb 25, 2014 9:54 AM
GuusWayne said: I'm not saying this is the case with all rape but a large percentage of it has the women in revealing clothing. We all have desires and the way women dress these days it's like they want to get raped, it's very provoking. I'd say they have a responsibility in that aspect. I agree, women should be required to wear a burqa including veil in public to avoid accidentally causing a swelling of the nether regions of men and other unpleasant reactions. |
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cumshotz said: GuusWayne said: 'Wanting to be raped' is contradictory to the definition of rape.Excuse me for not being the rape expert, why don't you enlighten me? What? Does that mean rape hentai does not actually feature rape? My life has been a lie :( |
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GuusWayne said: I'm not saying this is the case with all rape but a large percentage of it has the women in revealing clothing. We all have desires and the way women dress these days it's like they want to get raped, it's very provoking. I'd say they have a responsibility in that aspect. I agree with this mostly. It seems to me that many men can't control themselves when they see an especially attractive woman in skimpy clothing. It's stupid of the woman to ignore/not realize this fact. I even read somewhere that all men have more or less a rape instinct. Ladies beware >:) |
ittekimasunFeb 24, 2014 12:15 PM
cabacc2 said: a large percentage? you obviously dont know how a lot of rape happens. actually its impossible to "want to get raped" if you want it to happen, its not rape. cumshotz said: How did I know there would be atleast one smartass that would point that out to me? You were unfortunately not smart enough to know not to interpret it literally but anyways. Your actions are what matters but I know your average bimbo would be oblivious to whatever signals she's sending so I don't blame them.'Wanting to be raped' is contradictory to the definition of rape. |
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