Dragon_Slayer_X said: I didn't stay he cheated...........my point was rather than restricting them and then stabbing them, he could just fight on equal terms. But he does that anyways. Because he can't win in a straight fight. Also if the above guys have plot armor.....Gil is walking around with it all the time.............Golden Armor (Enuma Elish backfired on him but his armor wasn't that much damaged???)...........all the weapons in his treasury (a freaking jet plane??? also potions for reversing his age)............and many more. He could tried to fight normally with Berserker like Archer did but he just bound him and kept stabbing him until his life ran out. Attacked Shirou and Archer when they were fighting and injured in the process (quite cowardly in my opinion). Yeah he has a lot of power but he underestimates his opponenets or fights them in a cowardly way most of the time. Also he lost to Saver and Shirou in swrodfight but people would call that plot armor anyways. First paragraph: You can say that his NPs are too OP but the same goes for any other above average Servant.If Gil goes retard mode because of PIS the even Shirou as we saw in UBW can beat him. If Archer could "cheat" he would have done so.Look at how he fought Berserker in UBW while Berserker was fighting Saber.Also look at how he finished Gil in the same route.Every Servant does that when he/she gets the chance. Saber pulling out Avalon from nowhere(Gil didnt know about Avalon).No much different from Enkidu coming out of nowhere and restraining you. Shirou:Even Nasu said that this was the only out of 100 fights.Even Shirou said that he would lose if the fight was to continue. |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Well the way he finished Gil in UBW was a much needed payback. He stabbed his with that many swords......so one sword in the head was not that much. Personally i enjoyed that part..............he deserved it after all that. But i have to agree with the part when he fired at Saber and Berserker. But my point was Gil does it every time and when he doesn't he loses. He could gave us some good fights but rather he just finished them in a cowardly manner. Also Gil has so many treasures that he himself doesn't know about all of them. So it's not unnatural that would forget or not know about some. Besides, Avalon deflected his attack before (when he cut shirou almost in half again!!!) so he should have prepared for it but his arrogance and pride makes him over-confident. Avalon isnt something he has inside GoB.He has nothing of similar power either. He should have been prepared for Saber using Avalon when Shirou was the one that traced it in that scene? Gil retreating(and playing with them) was the plot armor both of them had. And I still dont get the coward part.Gil doesnt have the same honor/ideal that Saber or FZ Lancer have.And when he fights(even half seriously) pretty much does what the wars were about. Gil is pretty much like Kiritsugu during FSN.Strike when you can and deal massive damage(plot armor can save some chars). |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Well since he is so powerful he wouldn't need to apply Attack and Destroy strategy. He should be able to win in a normal fight too. And also Gil is walking around with the biggest plot armor around (way too much overpowered)!!! Also i liked Kiritsugu's strategies except for what he did to Lancer. Other than that he is one of my favourite characters. Gil was made to be OP.Thats the point.It's the others that need the plot armor against him.For me the only time he lost without plot armor is in HF.No one could have predicted that Sakura had changed so much to the point of becoming an "anti -Servant" being. What do you mean by normal? Sasaki could have killed Gil in a sword fight according to Nasu.Same with Saber and both Berserkers and Lancers.Taking away his NPs for a "normal" fight doesnt seem fair.If you mean no surprise attacks then he can do this too.But it would go against his personality to fight one on one with lets say True Assassin or the Berserkers. |
| because he can be vary sexist at time i remember one part where he tells saber that women should not fight -.- i wanted saber to snap his neck on that part. second reason i hate shirou is archer hes annoying and argent. third hes useless he cant even save illya in UBW all he does is stand there and go derp. |
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hazerddex said: because he can be vary sexist at time i remember one part where he tells saber that women should not fight -.- i wanted saber to snap his neck on that part. second reason i hate shirou is archer hes annoying and argent. third hes useless he cant even save illya in UBW all he does is stand there and go derp. are you by any chance, an anime only fan? I would like to see how he would save her.It's not like Berserker was just killed. |
ssjokg said: hazerddex said: because he can be vary sexist at time i remember one part where he tells saber that women should not fight -.- i wanted saber to snap his neck on that part. second reason i hate shirou is archer hes annoying and argent. third hes useless he cant even save illya in UBW all he does is stand there and go derp. are you by any chance, an anime only fan? I would like to see how he would save her.It's not like Berserker was just killed. he could have still tried. here is my solution grab her and run like smack ;) no im a visual novel reader to -.- although fate/series is not my favorite of the type moon stuff. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazerddex said: ssjokg said: hazerddex said: because he can be vary sexist at time i remember one part where he tells saber that women should not fight -.- i wanted saber to snap his neck on that part. second reason i hate shirou is archer hes annoying and argent. third hes useless he cant even save illya in UBW all he does is stand there and go derp. are you by any chance, an anime only fan? I would like to see how he would save her.It's not like Berserker was just killed. he could have still tried. here is my solution grab her and run like smack ;) no im a visual novel reader to -.- although fate/series is not my favorite of the type moon stuff. I am sure that in the VN he gets out of his hiding spot to stop Gil.Since you would die later if you didnt try. BTW:I am so happy that I can discuss something other than SAO.Why the hell are the TM subforums dead? |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: hazerddex said: because he can be vary sexist at time i remember one part where he tells saber that women should not fight -.- i wanted saber to snap his neck on that part. second reason i hate shirou is archer hes annoying and argent. third hes useless he cant even save illya in UBW all he does is stand there and go derp. There was no possible way he could have saved her.......besides people complain about him trying to save everyone and here someone is saying the opposite. Archer was one of best characters around and my favourite in FSN. I don't see a reason to hate him. ssjokg said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: Well since he is so powerful he wouldn't need to apply Attack and Destroy strategy. He should be able to win in a normal fight too. And also Gil is walking around with the biggest plot armor around (way too much overpowered)!!! Also i liked Kiritsugu's strategies except for what he did to Lancer. Other than that he is one of my favourite characters. Gil was made to be OP.Thats the point.It's the others that need the plot armor against him.For me the only time he lost without plot armor is in HF.No one could have predicted that Sakura had changed so much to the point of becoming an "anti -Servant" being. What do you mean by normal? Sasaki could have killed Gil in a sword fight according to Nasu.Same with Saber and both Berserkers and Lancers.Taking away his NPs for a "normal" fight doesnt seem fair.If you mean no surprise attacks then he can do this too.But it would go against his personality to fight one on one with lets say True Assassin or the Berserkers. The only time he actually tried to do some good...........first time i felt bad for him. If he hadnt killed Ilya he would be one of my fav characters.For now he is one of my fav villains only. |
hazerddex said: ssjokg said: hazerddex said: because he can be vary sexist at time i remember one part where he tells saber that women should not fight -.- i wanted saber to snap his neck on that part. second reason i hate shirou is archer hes annoying and argent. third hes useless he cant even save illya in UBW all he does is stand there and go derp. are you by any chance, an anime only fan? I would like to see how he would save her.It's not like Berserker was just killed. he could have still tried. here is my solution grab her and run like smack ;) no im a visual novel reader to -.- although fate/series is not my favorite of the type moon stuff. Well, if you've read the VN you should know that Shirou isn't so much sexist as he is just looking for an excuse to save people. Remember he has absolutely no problem with Saber fighting in the UBW and Heaven's Feel routes. He even went so far as to think that, with Saber as his servant, he could win the war in the latter route. |
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insan3soldiern said: hazerddex said: ssjokg said: hazerddex said: because he can be vary sexist at time i remember one part where he tells saber that women should not fight -.- i wanted saber to snap his neck on that part. second reason i hate shirou is archer hes annoying and argent. third hes useless he cant even save illya in UBW all he does is stand there and go derp. are you by any chance, an anime only fan? I would like to see how he would save her.It's not like Berserker was just killed. he could have still tried. here is my solution grab her and run like smack ;) no im a visual novel reader to -.- although fate/series is not my favorite of the type moon stuff. Well, if you've read the VN you should know that Shirou isn't so much sexist as he is just looking for an excuse to save people. Remember he has absolutely no problem with Saber fighting in the UBW and Heaven's Feel routes. He even went so far as to think that, with Saber as his servant, he could win the war in the latter route. It's just inexperienced writing on Nasu's part. He needed to remind the readers that King Arthur is genderbent in his story and saying that Saber is a girl and she shouldn't fight was the only way he could think of at that time. It was not meant to be sexist. And to address the guy saying Gil is haxed/coward to fight like he is. What did you expect of people with intelligence? To charge at each other going kamekameha? He isn't a Berserker for god sakes. The servants' goal is to win the war with any methods possible and hitting hard and fast from the shadows is the most effective strategy. And if anything, Gil had the least plot armour seeing how he went down in all 3 routes. A rank luck...as believable as Lancer saying his ability to survive is unmatched. |
BloodRequiemDec 3, 2012 3:35 PM
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| Shirou is really irritating to myself as well and I read the VN. I've finished both Fate and UBW routes and am getting ready to start Heaven's Feel. I don't have a problem with the fact that he took on another person's dream or that he wants to save people. I mean if I went through what he did then I probably wouldn't want to see any more death either. The way that he goes about it is so unbelievably childish though. I can understand being prepared to lay down your life for those you care about or even wanting to protect good people who did nothing wrong but he goes so far for people who don't even deserve to be saved. Besides, Fate is made up by many characters that are both deeper and more interesting than he is. |
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| maybe its because i like kiritsugu thats why i hate shiro, coz i watch the f/z first then f/sn.. i thought shiro is some kind of badass like kiritsugu but it let me down instead hes keeping saber as pet and dont want saber to fight coz shes a girl.. |
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Dark_Messiah said: maybe its because i like kiritsugu thats why i hate shiro, coz i watch the f/z first then f/sn.. i thought shiro is some kind of badass like kiritsugu but it let me down instead hes keeping saber as pet and dont want saber to fight coz shes a girl.. Shirou is more badass than Kiritsugu... |
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AirStyles said: why the hate around him? In 1... or is it 2? Episodes he made me wanna throw brick at his face. (I never hated a character that fast) With Ilya Shirou's.... Stupidity ........ Seriously, I can't bring myself to like him at all... Wow, I forgot that Shirou was like that haha... I thought I'd read this in preparation for the next fate/stay night. But now that I think about it... I think I really started to hate Shirou during the Ilya arc. There's a limit to tolerance ._. The "Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works" completely overwritten my opinion on the series xD. I found the movie version to be much more interesting and was slightly less hateful towards Shirou. Think I'll have to watch Fate/stay night one more time and re-evaluate some of the characters. |
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duderus said: AirStyles said: why the hate around him? In 1... or is it 2? Episodes he made me wanna throw brick at his face. (I never hated a character that fast) With Ilya Shirou's.... Stupidity ........ Seriously, I can't bring myself to like him at all... Wow, I forgot that Shirou was like that haha... I thought I'd read this in preparation for the next fate/stay night. But now that I think about it... I think I really started to hate Shirou during the Ilya arc. There's a limit to tolerance ._. The "Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works" completely overwritten my opinion on the series xD. I found the movie version to be much more interesting and was slightly less hateful towards Shirou. Think I'll have to watch Fate/stay night one more time and re-evaluate some of the characters. Shirou form the beginning of the story(in the movie as well) is an empty human being.Even if everyone makes fun of him as long as he helps others that is enough for him. Shirou saw some good in Ilya(unlike Gil or Kirei) thats why he chose to help her.Shirou wants to help everyone good and bad.If killing Gil or Kirei wasnt a necessity then he wouldnt do it either. And WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THAT WORM SHINJI.His own "sister"aka So it is fine if a close to 30 man wants to save people as a hero of justice but a teenager shouldnt? And Shirou doesnt want to be protected by others because that puts THEM in danger. Shirou in UBW is EXACTLY the same(Except the whole thing about his ideal)but what "annoys" people in the tv series is still there. UBW movie wasnt better than the tv series.It only had better fights and animation.Story wise it was worse. |
okaegen said: Maybe because he acted like a sexist shit towards Saber People should actually learn what a sexist is and when someone acts like one. |
okaegen said: Maybe because he acted like a sexist shit towards Saber He is not sexist. He is shiroist. The very idea of ANYONE in ANY WAY protecting him threatens the very existence of him, BECAUSE the sole reason "void existence" like Emiya Shirou still exists is to protect others. He has absolutely no emotions towards his own self or his own well being because his "self" has died in that fire, making him essentially a high-functioning sociopath(like Kirei, however Kirei was born naturally that way). What exists is what the void existence like EMiya Shirou observed - Kerry saving him - need to save others, to protect others. Kirei feels emotion from malice and suffering caused to others. Its the reason he continues to exist. Shirou feels emotion from helping and understanding others. Its the reason he continues to exist. ssjokg said: Shirou in UBW is EXACTLY the same(Except the whole thing about his ideal)but what "annoys" people in the tv series is still there. Not exactly. His ideal is the same. His approach is different. His worldview is different. Thus his personality(since it is defined by his ideal and his worldview, as there's no "core") is slightly different from the other two |
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Fai said: Not exactly. His ideal is the same. His approach is different. His worldview is different. Thus his personality(since it is defined by his ideal and his worldview, as there's no "core") is slightly different from the other two He is still the same Shirou that will "stand there like an idiot" when he is mocked ny assholes like Shinji or even save them.That is why I said except his ideal, where I meant his approach.. okaegen said: Huh? And he wasn't acting like one? -Don't fight because you are a girl- don't tell me that isn't sexist, please It's, probably, the main reason of the hate towards him, a lot of people didn't read the VN so they judge him for the anime and the poor adaptation doesn't help to much No it isnt.Because he only said that to Saber, who besides being someone that wanted to fight for him was also the girl he loved. He never told Rin NOT to fight.He isnt a sexist, he is a dumbass when choosing words. Saber who doesnt care about being a woman and puts knighthood first is the real sexist. |
okaegen said: First tell me, did you think that way the first time watching the anime? Because I have to admire everyone who did, for me it's fucking impressive Second, I know he isn't sexist but as I said, a lot of people just watched the anime and judge him by that. I'm speaking by my own experience, for me it was impossible to see him different from a sexist dumb boy, then I read the VN and change my mind but yeah... all that stuff i said before. Never thought that, why is that sexist? Honestly the only problems I had with FSN anime before reading the VN was the animation,Sakura&Caster's eps and the horrible pace(and that Archer's death seemed WAY too forced). Because she doesnt value herself as a woman(at first).On second thought forget that,she doesnt even think of herself as a human being.And no being a king doesnt justify either.. |
| In F/SN 2006, which I assume is the series op is talking about due to the date of the topic creation, it was his chavunism, which was terribly misplaced. All the crap about "A woman shouldn't fight!" clearly unable to even understand that society hasn't been like that for decades, and the Grail War was no exception. |
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DesertBlaze16 said: I hate him because I feel he is a weak protagonist who's only victory feels like a MAIN CHARACTER SHIELD MOMENT. He fights against countless people and gets his ass handed to him but now all the sudden he can match and fight Gilgamesh. That doesn't make any sense Gil is stronger than everyone in the damn show, but someone who can barely even stand up to himself is going to beat Gil yeah I don't see any actual reason for him to match Gil. Sure the reality marble let him shoot swords as well but Gilgamesh's swords should have just blasted shiro's away with ease. That's why I hate him, it's because he won a fight that made no logical sense considering what beat him throughout the show. It was below Gil's ego to beat him, that's why Gil lost. |
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| I admit FSN has top tier waifu material but Shirou is basically a kirito and subaru tier mc. Kek |
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| Talking just about the 2006 iteration of F/SN only. Emiya's biggest problem was being a sexist hypocrite. He spent most of the series bitching about how a woman 'shouldn't be fighting' but spent most of the series either getting the shit beat out of him, or cowering behind Saber and Rin. |
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DesertBlaze16 said: Swagernator said: I get that but common that seems a little too coincidental that he was lowered by that. Shirou would never have won if Gil took him serious from the beginning like he did to Iskandar.It was below Gil's ego to beat him, that's why Gil lost. It is, Shirou can only win with cheap power ups and the villians acting retarded all of a sudden |
GodofWar2015 said: InsaneLeader13 said: Talking just about the 2006 iteration of F/SN only. Emiya's biggest problem was being a sexist hypocrite. He spent most of the series bitching about how a woman 'shouldn't be fighting' but spent most of the series either getting the shit beat out of him, or cowering behind Saber and Rin. And then beating Kotomine at the end. What's the basis of your comment? He also abides by Kiritsugu's way of living, which was to not have females cry. I did say 'most' of the series, not all of the series. My basis for my comment was all the numerous times in Deen's Stay/Night that Shirou would say something to Saber or Rin how 'girls/women shouldn't fight', only to get his ass handed to him by a female (Rider or Illya) or have to cower and blindly follow anything that Saber and Rin would say. Yes, I know in the show's 11th hour Shirou suddenly 'came into his own', but the 11th hour is at least four hours too late. Again, this only about Deen's 2006 Stay/Night. I like Shirou in his other appearances. I just feel that his character suffered terribly in Deen's Fate/Stay Night, and that in turn really hurt the series alot. |
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| I know this is old but... I'd take a weak-ass character with a good personality rather than a strong character with a bad personality anyday. For me, personality over strength anyday. I don't know, I spoiled myself with episodes from the 2006 anime (I've already played the VN) and here's the thing: I still like him. Yes, he did pissed me off after the whole 'girls shouldn't fight' thing but after Episode 11, I like him again. The VN portrayed him better but Deen's is alright. It's just my opinion though. And after playing the VN, Fate Shirou is by far my favorite Shirou in the VN. Since he's the only one that made to |
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